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Archived Discussion => 2009 => Mid-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Psychology => Topic started by: mypurpleundercracka on June 10, 2009, 11:11:48 am
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how did everyone go?
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personally
i reckon it was alright, not too easy not too hard
just a matter of how well i worded my SA's
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I think i went reasonably well. There were a couple mc that challenged me, let's just hope i choose the right ones!!
Some of my wording in the sa's could have been better thinking back no, but i gues there's nothing i can do! I had a mind blank over the sleep spindles & k complex question in the short answers. I couldn't remember which was the one that had short bursts of high frequency waves, so i put it under both eeep><
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Also, does anybody have a copy of the exam?
I'm racking my brain over the answer to those Sperry q's
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wont the exam be put up on the vcaa website
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wont the exam be put up on the vcaa website
Not for quite a while. Hopefully someone grabbed a copy of the exam from school since the teachers are given spares.
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The mc question:
In visual perception, what is the first process:
a) reception
b) selection
c) transmission
d) ??
Was the correct answer b)Selection? Because from my understanding reception is the first process of visual Sensation.
I'd like somebody to clarify this :S
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Personally I felt a few of the MC's were quite challenging a few trick ones and the questions were long. As for short answers I dont think they were as hard as previous years however I just have a feeling my answers didint meet up to the standards. The sperry question thew me off bad!! I knew there was going to be something on it, I was confused it was 4 marks so I really really hope I got it right.
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The mc question:
In visual perception, what is the first process:
a) reception
b) selection
c) transmission
d) ??
Was the correct answer b)Selection? Because from my understanding reception is the first process of visual Sensation.
I'd like somebody to clarify this :S
I wrote reception.. because the question after it was like..
In the visual perception process these is transduction, what does it do?...
(which transduction is in is in visual sensation ?)-
So therefore,when they spoke about Visual Perception Process it was the whole 5 steps, wasn't the separate ones, but i was confused to, i might be wrong though...
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I think i went okay on multiple choice.. and short answer, i never know, cause you can loose marks really easily.. I knew everything (I think). Haha I hope i get what i want, or i'll be so upset with myself..
But i'm trying to let it go out of my head, untill i actually get my mark,
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the exam was rediculously eassy!
fucking aced it.
The mc question:
In visual perception, what is the first process:
a) reception
b) selection
c) transmission
d) ??
Was the correct answer b)Selection? Because from my understanding reception is the first process of visual Sensation.
I'd like somebody to clarify this :S
i put down reception.
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screwed that one up.. oh wells
i've just and gathered all my unit 3 papers & prac exam..waiting for when the rubbish goes out!
is it true we find out our results around august?
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mmm was okay
was a breeze compared to chemistry :@:! ! !@!@
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is it true we find out our results around august?
Yes. Normally it's early August.
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I thought it was pretty good! It was harder than last years exam though
What did you get for the multiple choice about the lady with the pacemaker that didn't want radioactive injections?
I put CT scan but I wasn't too sure.. Is that right?
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I thought it was pretty good! It was harder than last years exam though
What did you get for the multiple choice about the lady with the pacemaker that didn't want radioactive injections?
I put CT scan but I wasn't too sure.. Is that right?
I just had a look at that question. It's completely crap. Because:
A. CT scan - doesn't show function
B. PET scan - shows function but has an invasive injection
C. MRI scan - doesn't show function and can't be used on individuals who have pacemakers
D. fMRI scan - shows function but can't be used on individuals with pacemakers.
None of them seem correct/appropriate to me.
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That's what I thought as well..it was a stupid question!
What about question 31 the triangles, which one would you choose?
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yea i thought, well safety for the patient is > than what the neurosurgeon wanted
so PET
p.s. does CT not also have an injection (contrast iodine)? Although much less invasive.
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That's what I thought as well..it was a stupid question!
What about question 31 the triangles, which one would you choose?
closure and proximity
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Yeah at first glance I thought it was D, because I didn't read the fact that she had a pacemaker.
That question would be quite interesting to hear what the examiners think. It'd probably will get taken out.
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i put CT too.. becux she has a pace maker n cant use fMRI or MRI and she doesnt want injections so she cant have a PET since tht has radio active stuff injected into u..
but omg wtf the short answers for tht were soooo confusing
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yea i thought, well safety for the patient is > than what the neurosurgeon wanted
so PET
p.s. does CT not also have an injection (contrast iodine), although much less invasive.
Hmm I'm not sure though... seems a bit ridiculous
I'm guessing they'll have to give both PET and fMRI
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i put fmri because she wanted function but question wasnt structured properly none were right
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which depth cue did u say u dont use when viewing the ame's room
i did linear perspective because thats only for 2D pictures?
even though convergence is binocular i remember reading somewehre it can still work for a short period of time or something haha
some of those multiple choices grr
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Hmm I'm not sure though... seems a bit ridiculous
I'm guessing they'll have to give both PET and fMRI
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/biomedical/devices/new-pacemakers-prove-mriproof
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/702952
i just googled it just then incase...
they're talking about MRI-proof pacemakers ==> which means fMRI proof
Grivas said
"However, one limitation is that it cannot be used with people who have internal metallic devices such as heart pacemakers or steel pins in the bone" (p114)
although i heard one year a textbook had the wrong definition so they accepted it so perhaps both PET and fMRI
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thinking about it fMRI was right because it shows both, when used to show structure then it would have MRI characteristic but since there after function it wouldnt dunno man its doing my head in
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Haha I enjoyed that psych exam,
But the one question that stumped me was the question about the repeated measures and independent measures other then that
the rest was a blast.
Chem exam though.....was so friggen hard><
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How'd you guys find
"Explain why size constancy can be important in safely crossing a busy road."
and the question about Sperry's research? I have a feeling that half the state would've freaked with those questions
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Well is basically that recognising that when crossing a busy road anything that moves around isn't changing Size.
And maintaining size constancy even though the side of the image on the retina being reflected is changing, that the shapes around you are not changing size.
And it's a benefit of having size constancy when crossing a busy road.
That was similar to what I wrote><
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Does anyone know all the answers from multiple choice, from taking a spare exam.
Would be helpful to compare results...?
(:
Overall psych was not as bad as I suspected!
Though from reading other peoples responses, i feel i could've got a few wrong.
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^ ha i had the worst answer to that!!
what did everybody put for the spatial neglect mc question? was it right pariatal?
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Does anyone know all the answers from multiple choice, from taking a spare exam.
Would be helpful to compare results...?
(:
Overall psych was not as bad as I suspected!
Though from reading other peoples responses, i feel i could've got a few wrong.
I'm in the process of writing suggested answers :)
and yes it would be right parietal
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I thought it was pretty easy, but maybe they'll be picky with short answer
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I thought it was pretty easy, but maybe they'll be picky with short answer
there very picky for SA section
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I thought it was pretty good! It was harder than last years exam though
What did you get for the multiple choice about the lady with the pacemaker that didn't want radioactive injections?
I put CT scan but I wasn't too sure.. Is that right?
I just had a look at that question. It's completely crap. Because:
A. CT scan - doesn't show function
B. PET scan - shows function but has an invasive injection
C. MRI scan - doesn't show function and can't be used on individuals who have pacemakers
D. fMRI scan - shows function but can't be used on individuals with pacemakers.
None of them seem correct/appropriate to me.
radioactive glucose required for a PET scan can be taken orally rather than by an invasive injection.
so it's B. PET scan
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Source?
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grivas
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i doubt they would have put a question in like that^ where they wanted us to know that when someone doesn't want a radioactive injection, they can orally swallow radioactive substance :S
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Personally, the oral method doesn't really seem plausible to me. It'd take too long for the glucose to get to the brain.
Also, I can't find any information on wikipedia.
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grivas
Mm, I don't think it would work to ingest it for a brain PET. Think about it.
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haha it's in the textbook
top of page 115
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haha it's in the textbook
top of page 115
Yeah lol... not sure it's correct.
Perhaps for a stomach PET that would work?
Not a brain PET
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hey sori to break it to u but it was A: Reception
The mc question:
In visual perception, what is the first process:
a) reception
b) selection
c) transmission
d) ??
Was the correct answer b)Selection? Because from my understanding reception is the first process of visual Sensation.
I'd like somebody to clarify this :S
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haha it's in the textbook
top of page 115
Yeah lol... not sure it's correct.
Perhaps for a stomach PET that would work?
Not a brain PET
Jess, it could be one of those, it's right for VCE-land type answers then.
Btw, I'm a uni student, so I actually don't have the Grivas book handy with me.
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OMG i dont how i went but i did the biggest stupid mistake. did the question about mullyer illusion say that we have to mention the gestalt principle......
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I still think it's ridiculous if PET is the answer
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OMG i dont how i went but i did the biggest stupid mistake. did the question about mullyer illusion say that we have to mention the gestalt principle......
no
Q.10b) Describe the Muller-Lyer illusion and give one explanation of how this illusion works
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"when this substance enters the bloodstream it travels to the brain"
although Grivas has been wrong on many occasions, i'm not one to argue with him.
and yeah probably, the gestalt principle of closure is used in ross day's theory of perceptual compromise.
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Err what do Gestalt principles have to do with the Muller Lyer? We had to discuss the theories. Ie: Carptenered World Hypothesis or the one about Perceptual Compromise.
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The most correct answer to the function question involving the lady with a pacemaker was PET imo.
A - CT - shows structure, not function..
B- PET - said she wanted to 'avoid' an injection
C or D would rip her pacemaker out?
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carptenered world????
perceptual compromise occurs because we receive 3 conflicting pieces of information
1. the length of the two main lines
2. the total length of each figure
and 3. the total area of the space we see between the main line, and the lines on the end (that we see because of the gestalt principle of closure)
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When we use familiar architectural features to interpret the illusion. So we see the arrow heads as the leading vertical edge of a building's outer wall, and the feather fail as the inside corner of a room (so it is percieved as further away).
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yeah, gregory's theory. that explanation has been proved incorrect though.
the muller-lyer has been test with people living in africa, who have buildings with no right angles, and the illusion stilll works.
plus, the feathertails and arrowheads can be substituted with other shapes and it still works.
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the muller-lyer has been test with people living in africa, who have buildings with no right angles, and the illusion stilll works.
You're sure about that? My textbook says the complete opposite.
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it's not an illusion if it doesn't occur consistently.
it always works, i am sure.
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it is true that an illusion works consistenly regarldess of if the effect is known or not, but the effect is increased if we have prior experience to elements of the illusion: for example we know that rooms are rectangular which increases the effect of the ames room, but this does does not mean that it will not work for other people as there are other aspects like the monocular peephole,ect.
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I got the quote from my textbook
"when people from other cultures who live in more rounded environments are shown the Muller-Lyer stimuli, they are more likely to correctly perceive the lines as equal in length" (Segall et al., 1966, as cited in Passer & Smith, 2008, p. 165).
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To all those who need feedback, my psych teacher went through all answers :S
first stage is reception, not selection..
it's most likely to be pet and fmri cant use pacemaker regardless of what, it says in psych notes
also we can't use convergence for ames because it clearly says the peephole removes all chance of monocular cues
the explanation about the cars that was made for the prvious person is correct .. perfectly :) well done hehe.
and muller lyer you can talk about apparent distant theory - the fishtails make it appear FURTHER away although they BOTH produce same retinal image.
these were all said by the psych teacher soo ??
do u guys rkn the state average for a+ will be lower than last yr
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To all those who need feedback, my psych teacher went through all answers :S
first stage is reception, not selection..
it's most likely to be pet and fmri cant use pacemaker regardless of what, it says in psych notes
also we <b>can't use convergence for ames because it clearly says the peephole removes all chance of monocular cues</b>
the explanation about the cars that was made for the prvious person is correct .. perfectly :) well done hehe.
and muller lyer you can talk about apparent distant theory - the fishtails make it appear FURTHER away although they BOTH produce same retinal image.
these were all said by the psych teacher soo ??
do u guys rkn the state average for a+ will be lower than last yr
you mean binocular cues, peephole only allows monocular depth cues to be used, but yes it is convergence.
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Okay Question 13. PET IS NOT THE ANSWER. None of htem seem plausible to put. As already discussed in this forum.. But CAT is the answer.
FMRI AND MRI are wrong.. for obvious reasons.. and so it leaves PET AND CAT.. now PET is functional and CAT is structural. Now. The reason why PET is considered invasive, is not becuase of hte injection, because cat as an injeciton. it's because the radioactive glucose going into the blood stream. So yes, u can swallow glucose shit.. but its still invasive because thats whats being put into ur body. I thinkthe question is very stupid, and it will be taken off..
Anotehr thing is other sources say CATs show function, but thats stupid because the text book that we have says its only structural. Furthermore, i was tlaking to a mates and two of them have mum's who are nurses, who said that they'd do CAT in that circumstance, and definetly not MRI AND FMRI.. but yeh apparnetly CAT is the answer.
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The mc question:
In visual perception, what is the first process:
a) reception
b) selection
c) transmission
d) ??
Was the correct answer b)Selection? Because from my understanding reception is the first process of visual Sensation.
I'd like somebody to clarify this :S
that was a stupid question because the question before it said, the first stage in visual perception is.. and the answer was transduction , bad wording
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The mc question:
In visual perception, what is the first process:
a) reception
b) selection
c) transmission
d) ??
Was the correct answer b)Selection? Because from my understanding reception is the first process of visual Sensation.
I'd like somebody to clarify this :S
that was a stupid question because the question before it said, the first stage in visual perception is.. and the answer was transduction , bad wording
answer is reception- at the lecture i went to the speakers made this clear that if asked what is the first stage in visual perception the answer is reception
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Okay Question 13. PET IS NOT THE ANSWER. None of htem seem plausible to put. As already discussed in this forum.. But CAT is the answer.
FMRI AND MRI are wrong.. for obvious reasons.. and so it leaves PET AND CAT.. now PET is functional and CAT is structural. Now. The reason why PET is considered invasive, is not becuase of hte injection, because cat as an injeciton. it's because the radioactive glucose going into the blood stream. So yes, u can swallow glucose shit.. but its still invasive because thats whats being put into ur body. I thinkthe question is very stupid, and it will be taken off..
Anotehr thing is other sources say CATs show function, but thats stupid because the text book that we have says its only structural. Furthermore, i was tlaking to a mates and two of them have mum's who are nurses, who said that they'd do CAT in that circumstance, and definetly not MRI AND FMRI.. but yeh apparnetly CAT is the answer.
Sorry, my uncle works at UNSW and he is a professor in the pyschology faculty there and i showed him this question and he said that PET is the answer. Soz love
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Hey, does anyone have some suggestions about question 13 at the very end of the exam, what is an extraneous variable in this case? In naming it could it be right to say..."differences amongst particiapants that could affect DV"???
Coz that doesn't seem like a name.. more of an explanation, was their a correct term to use?
Thanks!!!
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Wooo, sorry unrelated but Costargh, u seriously got 5 50's????
Thats so impressive!!!!
:)
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Wooo, sorry unrelated but Costargh, u seriously got 5 50's????
Thats so impressive!!!!
:)
why would he be wasting his time commenting on an exam he didn't sit. I reckon hes bullshitting his 99.95!
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well you can easily find his enter score if you search the forum
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rofl guys relax. its just an inside joke. My highest score was a 47
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Yeah at first glance I thought it was D, because I didn't read the fact that she had a pacemaker.
That question would be quite interesting to hear what the examiners think. It'd probably will get taken out.
It was confusing but I think it was a good question where you really had to think. You knew you had to choose between fMRI and PET because they were the only ones that showed function. Then you had to choose between her fear of needles and her life.
PET was definitely the right answer.
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Yeah at first glance I thought it was D, because I didn't read the fact that she had a pacemaker.
That question would be quite interesting to hear what the examiners think. It'd probably will get taken out.
It was confusing but I think it was a good question where you really had to think. You knew you had to choose between fMRI and PET because they were the only ones that showed function. Then you had to choose between her fear of needles and her life.
PET was definitely the right answer.
VCAA are accepting any answer for question 13 - none of the options were correct
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But PET was right. The people who are crying foul didn't think about it properly. I thought it was a good question. There is a logical process that leads you to the right answer.
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The mc question:
In visual perception, what is the first process:
a) reception
b) selection
c) transmission
d) ??
Was the correct answer b)Selection? Because from my understanding reception is the first process of visual Sensation.
I'd like somebody to clarify this :S
that was a stupid question because the question before it said, the first stage in visual perception is.. and the answer was transduction , bad wording
I nearly put selection because of the photoreceptors only responding to certain wavelengths of light but 5 minutes before the exam ended I rushed back to the question and put reception as light has to enter the eye before anything else can happen.
If the answer was transduction I would call it unfair as visual perception meaning perception separated from sensation, and visual perception meaning the entire process are completely dependent on context, and no context was provided.
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it was ok actually.. not too bad.. muchhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh better than chemistry...omg can't wait results in like almost a week ;D
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yeah results in 6 days :D
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yeah results in 6 days :D
5 days now!
everyday i get more anxious;\
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me too... i found it kinda easy so im a little bit worried. lol
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Omg, results :( in however many days there are left, do they get distributed to our homes or can we view them online?
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Results = Monday from schoool
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Omg, results :( in however many days there are left, do they get distributed to our homes or can we view them online?
Your school is meant to give them to you--mine is giving them to us at the end of the day
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Results = Monday from schoool
I heard they weren't meant to give it to you on Monday, Monday is when the results come out, but meh if your teacher is nice they probs will give it to you.
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holy holy holy shizen!
heard we get them on monday today and totally freaked out.
B or above pleaseeeeeeeeee!
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yeah im going into the coordinators first thing on monday morning rofl... i'm a little worried lol.
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omgg results tomorrowwww. :|
Im scared LOL
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scared but kind of excited, maybe if i do well it will re motivate me
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I'm so petrified because if I dont get an A+, getting over 40 will be extremely tough
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yeah im worried now cos i mean i worked so hard n studied loads n i just hope it pays off :( also i want to do better than my friend. lol :P
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does anyone know what the cut off for an A+ was?
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158-180
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/vce/statistics/2009/midyear/vcepsychology-ga109.pdf
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I got the Statement of Marks from VCAA (for like $8 or something) to see exactly how high my A+ was. It was all out of 150, but I converted it into percentages. I got 92% and the A+ cutoff was 88%. Hope that helps :)
PS does anyone know what sort of study score I'd be looking at if I got a similar mark end-of-year? About 42? My SACs have been mainly 90%+ with a couple of random lower marks.
Amber.