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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: Mr Keshy on June 11, 2013, 11:48:01 am
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Good luck to everyone for the GAT tomorrow! :)
I know that around here, the GAT always seems to be laughed about quite frequently, but please keep in mind that if the unexpected were to happen come exam time in November, the test you'll be doing tomorrow WILL play a major role in determining what final score you will recieve.
The GAT is compulsory so you will be sitting in there for 3 hours whether you like it or not, so why not give it your best shot?! You have nothing to lose and possibly a lot to gain from it if you take it seriously, so why not take the opportunity?
Take the GAT seriously but don't stress over it!
Once again, Good Luck and Have Fun! :)
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The GAT is compulsory so you will be sitting in there for 3 hours whether you like it or not
Actually at our school we can leave after half an hour :P haha
but in all seriousness ....yeah good luck to you too and everyone! :D
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We're allowed to leave after 15 minutes i'm pretty sure! :D
Good luck all!
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Actually at our school we can leave after half an hour :P haha
Same here!
So...............How many practice GAT exams have you guys completed? I'm on my 7th one. It's so tedious.
Just kidding
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In all seriousness, I thoroughly enjoyed the GAT.
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Same here!
So...............How many practice GAT exams have you guys completed? I'm on my 7th one. It's so tedious.
Just kidding
In all seriousness. I actually did do a few multiple choice questions to get an idea of what to expect, but that's all.
Is anyone else planning on doing the multiple choice first and then writing pieces? Unlike what VCAA suggest. I feel like 30 mins for each piece is to short so will do MC as quick as I can. And then divide remaining time between writing pieces.
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Same here!
So...............How many practice GAT exams have you guys completed? I'm on my 7th one. It's so tedious.
Just kidding
And not to mention time consuming ....I did 5 surely that will suffice???
Just kidding
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In all seriousness. I actually did do a few multiple choice questions to get an idea of what to expect, but that's all.
Is anyone else planning on doing the multiple choice first and then writing pieces? Unlike what VCAA suggest. I feel like 30 mins for each piece is to short so will do MC as quick as I can. And then divide remaining time between writing pieces.
Nah, I'm going to complete the writing sections first. 30 minutes is only the recommended time. If you think it's too short, then you can spend more time on your essays. In my opinion, I think that 30 minutes is a reasonable amount of time.
And not to mention time consuming ....I did 5 surely that will suffice???
Just kidding
Apparently those who achieve high results for their GATs usually complete a MINIMUM of 10-15 practice GAT exams....so, you're almost there.
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Nah, I'm going to complete the writing sections first. 30 minutes is only the recommended time. If you think it's too short, then you can spend more time on your essays. In my opinion, I think that 30 minutes is a reasonable amount of time.
Yeah same as this just seems like it will work best. :)
Apparently those who achieve high results for their GATs usually complete a MINIMUM of 10-15 practice GAT exams....so, you're almost there.
So there's a good 18 hours till the GAT which takes 3 hours to do so if I can squeeze in 6 practices I'll be good yeah?
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Is anyone else planning on doing the multiple choice first and then writing pieces? Unlike what VCAA suggest. I feel like 30 mins for each piece is to short so will do MC as quick as I can. And then divide remaining time between writing pieces.
I did that last year. The upside is that I aced the multi-choice. The downside is that by the time I got to the writing tasks, I was feeling ceebs about it all and wrote a couple of bullshit pieces. My writing score was not that high. :P
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So there's a good 18 hours till the GAT which takes 3 hours to do so if I can squeeze in 6 practices I'll be good yeah?
I've seriously done 3 practises. But, I might try that too. :P
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Good luck to all :)
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They force us to stay at our school -_-
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My damn school has enforced the importance of it so much that people actually HAVE been doing the previous GAT papers at home. XD
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You guys have it easy, my school forced everyone to stay back to do a full past years GAT in exam conditions, THEN MADE US TAKE IT HOME AND MARK IT OURSELVES, and no classes today, we had to listen to teacher lectures on how to correctly interpret the questions and answer them, "GAT Preparation Day"
My school will dominate
PS we're all only year 11's LOL
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weeell I did most of he multiple choice on last years ;D
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This is probably a stupid question but I have no idea how to write a good essay (well 2 essays technically) for the gat! I did the gat last year with no preparation at all and uh.. needless to say the writing section was really bad.. :/ Can anyone post one of their practice ones up? Or is there a place with sample gat essays already? Thanks heaps guys! (I know this is really really late... :/ )
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I just ask people what would happen if on the day of your English exam, while you're getting out of the car, your mum closes the door on your writing hand by accident.
This is why I am going to take the GAT seriously, although I've done no preparation for it ahaha.
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Good luck.
Even if you don't want to prepare for it, you'd be a fool not to just go briefly read over the writing components. It really helps to sit down and think about what you'd write about for the previous GATs, just so it comes easier for this upcoming one.
Also just skim over the multiple choice questions to get an understanding of what may be examined in the 2013 GAT.
Best of luck
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This is probably a stupid question but I have no idea how to write a good essay (well 2 essays technically) for the gat! I did the gat last year with no preparation at all and uh.. needless to say the writing section was really bad.. :/ Can anyone post one of their practice ones up? Or is there a place with sample gat essays already? Thanks heaps guys! (I know this is really really late... :/ )
The first essay is just testing your ability to rearrange, organise and connect pieces of information together. During reading time, identify three major subtopics within the major topic (for your three body paragraphs) and essentially regurgitate the information provided correctly and in a manner that makes logical sense. This task isn't too difficult, but some people do silly things like state where on the page the information is from, or if the information was provided on a graph or something. Don't show off and do anything too fancy here, unless the topic really lends itself to something other than an essay (for example, a few people took on the persona of David Attenborough for the wolves task). Also, this is just to assess your ability to present information in a user-friendly manner, so remain objective throughout your piece.
The second essay is much harder in my opinion. You are provided with four stimulus statements and you have to write a piece of prose presenting your point of view, basing your argument on the provided prompts. In the three times I have now sat a GAT paper (two trials and the official GAT last year), I have adopted a diary entry style simply because I have essentially no real evidence to back up any arguments I may make in a conventional essay. To be honest, more often than not, I've had to force myself to have some sort of opinion on the provided topic. I must add that you do not need to directly respond to each statement or focus solely on one statement. They are provided as a basis for you to start your writing, much like a context response in English.
I recently did the 2011 paper as a trial and the persuasive response required me to write about fashion and beauty. This was not something I could identify with at all. :P In the end I adopted the persona of a teenage girl who was being bullied because she didn't wear the latest fashion trends and wrote a diary entry about a particular experience of being bullied (and giving into the bullies) and how I felt the way society was moving. I got a 9/10 for this by an external examiner so it's a style that I have stuck with.
Also, your responses do not need to be long! One teacher was shocked that I wrote three pages for each response given the fact that we are only supposed to spend 30 minutes on each task. I have heard anecdotally that one and a half to two pages should suffice.
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Same here!
So...............How many practice GAT exams have you guys completed? I'm on my 7th one. It's so tedious.
Just kidding
Dedication. Got 48/50 for maths last year and I didn't even do a single practice. U will ace it ahhaha
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Dedication. Got 48/50 for maths last year and I didn't even do a single practice. U will ace it ahhaha
Not everyone has the same mathematical skills and abilities as you
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The GAT'll be fun. I'm looking forward to doing it, although I have to be honest and say I have not completed any of the papers. I have looked at the papers though and it doesn't seem that bad.
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Not everyone has the same mathematical skills and abilities as you
That was luck I reckon, since I'm failing GMA atm....
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I'm really curious to know, how does each section affect the 3 different results in the GAT? Are the 2 written pieces represented by the written communication bit, the maths by 35 mc and humanities by the other 35 mc?
And also, don't hate, but what sort of style of writing do I use for the first written piece and the second one? Just want to know so I can do it properly tomorrow, because I did not take it seriously at all last year and I need to this year just in case of anything happening during VCAA exam period :)
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The first essay is just testing your ability to rearrange, organise and connect pieces of information together. During reading time, identify three major subtopics within the major topic (for your three body paragraphs) and essentially regurgitate the information provided correctly and in a manner that makes logical sense. This task isn't too difficult, but some people do silly things like state where on the page the information is from, or if the information was provided on a graph or something. Don't show off and do anything too fancy here, unless the topic really lends itself to something other than an essay (for example, a few people took on the persona of David Attenborough for the wolves task). Also, this is just to assess your ability to present information in a user-friendly manner, so remain objective throughout your piece.
The second essay is much harder in my opinion. You are provided with four stimulus statements and you have to write a piece of prose presenting your point of view, basing your argument on the provided prompts. In the three times I have now sat a GAT paper (two trials and the official GAT last year), I have adopted a diary entry style simply because I have essentially no real evidence to back up any arguments I may make in a conventional essay. To be honest, more often than not, I've had to force myself to have some sort of opinion on the provided topic. I must add that you do not need to directly respond to each statement or focus solely on one statement. They are provided as a basis for you to start your writing, much like a context response in English.
I recently did the 2011 paper as a trial and the persuasive response required me to write about fashion and beauty. This was not something I could identify with at all. :P In the end I adopted the persona of a teenage girl who was being bullied because she didn't wear the latest fashion trends and wrote a diary entry about a particular experience of being bullied (and giving into the bullies) and how I felt the way society was moving. I got a 9/10 for this by an external examiner so it's a style that I have stuck with.
Also, your responses do not need to be long! One teacher was shocked that I wrote three pages for each response given the fact that we are only supposed to spend 30 minutes on each task. I have heard anecdotally that one and a half to two pages should suffice.
THANK YOU SO MUCH! That really cleared up a lot for me! :)
But um.. last year I found it really hard to make my essay flow and embed a lot of the information presented. I'm more of a science/maths type person so english is not my strongest point which is probably why I couldn't do it. Maybe I will write one now and try to find some way to 'make it flow'. Hopefully I'll find some techniques that will work for me tomorrow.
And for the second essay, I never thought about a diary entry! That would make my life so much easier! I think I will stick to that I guess. Thank you again! You are a legend! :)
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Dedication. Got 48/50 for maths last year and I didn't even do a single practice. U will ace it ahhaha
I actually haven't completed 7 practice GAT exams...I was being sarcastic.
Anyways, GOOD LUCK EVERYONE...You'll do great! Don't stress, take a good nights rest and stay calm :)
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I'm really curious to know, how does each section affect the 3 different results in the GAT? Are the 2 written pieces represented by the written communication bit, the maths by 35 mc and humanities by the other 35 mc?
And also, don't hate, but what sort of style of writing do I use for the first written piece and the second one? Just want to know so I can do it properly tomorrow, because I did not take it seriously at all last year and I need to this year just in case of anything happening during VCAA exam period :)
I think I almost wrote it as a report type, giving subheadings to various things, and then copy pasting relevant facts.. My memory doesn't serve me that well though!
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LOL, my Dad just told me that I should study for the GAT because one of his workmates' son is studying for it. Not sure if I should really try and do some practice GAT's? What's the worst that can happen?
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LOL, my Dad just told me that I should study for the GAT because one of his workmates' son is studying for it. Not sure if I should really try and do some practice GAT's? What's the worst that can happen?
Hahah, that would happen to me too. :P I guess it's good to get a feel for the English section!
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LOL, my Dad just told me that I should study for the GAT because one of his workmates' son is studying for it. Not sure if I should really try and do some practice GAT's? What's the worst that can happen?
I don't know why, but I get the feeling that one will do better on the GAT if it was not prepared for? hmm.
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I don't know why, but I get the feeling that one will do better on the GAT if it was not prepared for? hmm.
Possibly. Having a look through the 2011/12 GAT's, and its really just general stuff. I mean they give you all the information you need to know, and you have to have your brain on, think, interpret and answer.
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My damn school has enforced the importance of it so much that people actually HAVE been doing the previous GAT papers at home. XD
You can probably blame brother Paul for that one
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Is it possible to get some sample GAT English responses that scored highly?
Maybe someone who scored highly can give us a sample response to what they did (as well as including the prompt).
Not sure if this has been asked, but I think it would cool to get a rough idea of what to expect in the GAT.
edit; Say you're going to write a persuasive essay for the 2nd task. Do you need to include a written explanation?
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Does anyone know what the "GAT line" this year is? :)
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Does anyone know what the "GAT line" this year is? :)
"Just waiting for a mate"
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Leaving this here and not encouraging anything.
https://www.facebook.com/events/588808967806811/
DAMNIT: Beaten to it by 36 seconds... I had to go find that quote...
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I de-activated facebook mate :P
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I de-activated facebook mate :P
INVITE EVERY YEAR 12!!
This year, we are all just waiting for mates on the gat 2013! The rules are you must include this into your written piece on the gat next week. Once done, post the sentences for a laugh! Last year was call me maybe, but now we are waiting for mates!
Haha
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So just to clarify:
Section A writtten piece:
- Write an expository essay using the information provided without presenting an argument.
Section B written piece:
- Write a piece presenting an argument about a particular point of view.
Is there a word limit; will 700-800 words be sufficient per piece?
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Hello Everyone!
Happy 'GAT Eve' as my English Teacher likes to call it. :p Below are some tips and comments that my English Teacher gave me for the GAT. This is her second Year as a GAT Assessor.
Good Luck!
Damoz.
WRITING TASK 1
Low-Range Response
* Brief
* Disorganised
* No structure of the material
* Limited understanding of the material
Mid-Range Response
* Attention to material
* Lack of structure and synthesis of material
High-Range Response
* Good control of material
* Demonstrates a good understanding on the material
* Sophisticated vocabulary
* DOES NOT START AT THE TOP LEFT CORNER AND GO AROUND THE PAGE TO TRY AND GET ALL THE INFORMATION INTO THE PIECE.
WRITING TASK 2
* Develops a very good line of argument
* Has a strong 'voice'
In Writing Task 2, I think the main thing to note is that you do not have to write an essay. e.g. A speech is completely acceptable.
Hope this helps you out a bit.
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Nossal High School bunch of comic geniuses they are, are planning on all dropping pens onto the floor at 11AM. I reakon one idiot would do it coz everyone would forget, then they'd all laugh at the one idiot doing it AKA My idiot Brother
I prefer the write stupid things to troll the GAT scheme.
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So just to clarify:
Section A writtten piece:
- Write an expository essay using the information provided without presenting an argument.
Section B written piece:
- Write a piece presenting an argument about a particular point of view.
Is there a word limit; will 700-800 words be sufficient per piece?
Yes, correct on both accounts.
No word limit, but try to aim for around 500 words. You only have 30 minutes on each task, so they aren't expecting a lot from you.
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Nossal High School bunch of comic geniuses they are, are planning on all dropping pens onto the floor at 11AM. I reakon one idiot would do it coz everyone would forget, then they'd all laugh at the one idiot doing it AKA My idiot Brother
I prefer the write stupid things to troll the GAT scheme.
I don't think anyone will do it, I wouldn't dare because it'd be embarrassing if I was the only clown who did it. haha
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Nossal High School bunch of comic geniuses they are, are planning on all dropping pens onto the floor at 11AM. I reakon one idiot would do it coz everyone would forget, then they'd all laugh at the one idiot doing it AKA My idiot Brother
Pretty sure Brenden copyrighted that manoeuvre :P
I don't think anyone will do it, I wouldn't dare because it'd be embarrassing if I was the only clown who did it. haha
Dropping a pen is far from embarrassing :P
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Could someone please help answer my question on the previous page?
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Dropping a pen is far from embarrassing :P
The echo goes on for far too long, but I guess it's not as bad as a godzilla like sneeze.
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Could someone please help answer my question on the previous page?
I'm not certain on what you mean by rough idea, but to get an idea of the types of information presented to you in the 2 page spread, have a look at recent past GAT's. :)
http://www.vcaa.vic.edu.au/Pages/vce/exams/gat/gat.aspx#H2N10135
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What possible formats could we use to write the second writing piece? -and if not an essay how do we break it up into paragraphs?
thanks!!!
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Could someone please help answer my question on the previous page?
Don't have any examples of responses.
However, for your question: No, you do not need to write a Statement of Intention (Written Explanation) for Writing Task 2. Just get straight into it.
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but I guess it's not as bad as a godzilla like sneeze.
Not as bad as a Godzilla-like sneeze that causes this http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/2012/10/10/13/44/melbourne-mum-dislocates-neck-by-sneezing
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For anyone that is unsure of the criteria on how they are going to be marked for the Writing Tasks, please look at my Post on Page 3 of this Thread. Gives comments on each of the Ranks (High, Mid-Range, and Low Responses). It mainly covers Writing Task 1 comments though.
Happy to answer any other questions.
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No idea what this is, make of it what you will etc https://www.facebook.com/pages/Nic-Nat-in-the-GAT/493217687399631?fref=tck
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All ready for the GAT now lol, just a little confused about part 1. I've tried to write an essay, I just always find myself retelling the information.
Are we allowed to use minimal general knowledge, for example:
'Mt Everest, the worlds largest and greatest mountain'
'Only few were able to climb it'
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Pretty sure Brenden copyrighted that manoeuvre :P
Dropping a pen is far from embarrassing :P
DAMN FUCKING RIGHT I DID! FILTHY NOSSAL!
We actually did it at 11am, too, and the guys I tutor are organising for it to happen again (on my encouragement). My guys are also organising for 11am. I call foul-play. Filthy Nossal.
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It felt like the right time to make an account. With the GAT tomorrow and all. I felt like such a creep reading the forum post without actually participating... It felt like I was spying on a secret society. Hahahaha
Good luck, and remember... when in doubt, choose "c".
Or not...
Just look for dat pattern ;)
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It felt like the right time to make an account. With the GAT tomorrow and all. I felt like such a creep reading the forum post without actually participating... It felt like I was spying on a secret society. Hahahaha
Good luck, and remember... when in doubt, choose "c".
Or not...
Just look for dat pattern ;)
Hi. I love your avatar.
Also, don't choose "c", choose "A, C, D, C" (2011 GAT - earned me one of the worst in the state \o/)
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DAMN FUCKING RIGHT I DID! FILTHY NOSSAL!
We actually did it at 11am, too, and the guys I tutor are organising for it to happen again (on my encouragement). My guys are also organising for 11am. I call foul-play. Filthy Nossal.
so mods can get away with swearing double standards
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so mods can get away with swearing double standards
These are rules applying specifically to posting. They'll probably be placed at the top of each subforum. For now, suggestions and comments are welcome.
Language
- No excessive swearing or flaming. The occasional obscenity will be permissible, but avoid anything to excess, especially when it's a flame and directed to cause angst. Such posts will be removed to the Public Recycle Bin in Archived Discussion.
Brenden was nor excessive or wanting to flame anyone/people.
Geez calm your farm.
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so mods can get away with swearing double standards
Please direct all complaints to [email protected] and keep the thread free from clutter :)
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Good luck guys two hours away.
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Don't think like it defines our whole VCE (which it undoubtedly does ;) )
what a meaningful 100th post
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GAT is the most important exam in your life. So good luck guys and make us proud!
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Finished.
I wrote a long essay for the first section and a letter from an elderly staff member to his boss who is forcing elderly staff to retire. Thoughts?
I didn't find the maths parts hard but those arts and social science questions were difficult.
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Out of curiosity, what were the topics?
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Section 1 was about media, radios, internet.
Section 2 had four statements "with age come experience, understanding and insight", "there is no fool like an old fool", "older people ought to retire and let younger people with ideas and energy into the workforce" and "the young have as much to teach the old as the old have to teach the young"
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Heard from a good source that a Mac.Rob girl had annotated previous GAT exams, to study.
(Dead serious btw)
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Finished.
I wrote a long essay for the first section and a letter from an elderly staff member to his boss who is forcing elderly staff to retire. Thoughts?
I didn't find the maths parts hard but those arts and social science questions were difficult.
For the second part, I wrote about a conversation between an old man and his grandson, highlighting the cynicism of the old age.
But for me, the GAT wasn't at all "general" hahaha.
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For the second part, I wrote about a conversation between an old man and his grandson, highlighting the cynicism of the old age.
But for me, the GAT wasn't at all "general" hahaha.
The problem is that mine was only around 350 words long, maybe a bit more. Is this enough? Felt adventurous so wrote my first ever letter, lol.
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I just did about 2 pages for the first writing piece, then about 1.5 for the persuasive piece, I just kept running out of ideas..
Anyway the MC was okay, I had to refer to my dictionary a fair bit though, a lot of fancy words were used, :o
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Out of curiosity, what were the topics?
First section about radio technology and its applications.
The second was on aging.
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Was there a humanities question that everyone is bitching about? I swear to god, last year there were a bunch of people trying to tell me that some picture with a paedphile's shadow in it was serene.
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I successfully implemented the sentence "waiting for a mate" into my persuasive piece! Although it was actually relevant to my message!
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Was there a humanities question that everyone is bitching about? I swear to god, last year there were a bunch of people trying to tell me that some picture with a paedphile's shadow in it was serene.
LOL! I remember that one. I think I chose menacing for that one.
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Lol, I used AFL stars Kane Mitchell and Kane Cornes as the sender and receiver, plus my factory that was forcing elderly people to retire was called the 'Nic Nat' factory. :) (for my letter)
And the humanities questions were terrible. There was poetry. There were quotes. There were these pictures. Terrible, terrible and terrible.
Why were there no technology questions? :/
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Lol, I used AFL stars Kane Mitchell and Kane Cornes as the sender and receiver, plus my factory that was forcing elderly people to retire was called the 'Nic Nat' factory. :) (for my letter)
And the humanities questions were terrible. There was poetry. There were quotes. There were these pictures. Terrible, terrible and terrible.
Why were there no technology questions? :/
There were technology questions. About that computer that buys and sells shares.
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There were technology questions. About that computer that buys and sells shares.
Eh, I guess, I couldn't be bothered reading it much though.
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There were technology questions. About that computer that buys and sells shares.
That doesnt count lol
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Poetry and quotes, ey? I WANT TO HAVE A GO
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Was good fun.
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The GAT was not too bad. Questions were ok. The only bad thing was that it felt soo long, and half way through the Multiple Choice, I was like WTF, 30 more questions to go =.=
It was gruelling. Don't think I've ever sat a 3 hour exam.. lol
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That image of the family in the countryside was so difficult to interpret. I think I ended up answering that they appeared self enclosed or whatever the choice was.
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That image of the family in the countryside was so difficult to interpret. I think I ended up answering that they appeared self enclosed or whatever the choice was.
I think I said that too. Only the mother was smiling and the children seemed bored.
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We do 3 hour english ones in year 11 and compared to that... :p There were some questions about different sized triangles fitting into a certain space that got me though. but the john bracks picture was good <:D
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Was good fun.
Yes. :)
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I actually quite liked the GAT
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We do 3 hour english ones in year 11 and compared to that... :p There were some questions about different sized triangles fitting into a certain space that got me though. but the john bracks picture was good <:D
Math is not forte but I was proud that I could at least answer some of the questions. There were a few that were difficult for me, though but I did my best so I'm quite happy.
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Did anyone else's stomach sound like a dying whale by the end of it?
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Did anyone else's stomach sound like a dying whale by the end of it?
All the exams.
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Did anyone else's stomach sound like a dying whale by the end of it?
yup and I was so damn busting to piss.
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i just wrote nic naitanui invented the radio
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Did anyone else's stomach sound like a dying whale by the end of it?
It wasn't even halfway in that my stomach started rumbling. I was so embarrassed for the people around me, lol.
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i just wrote nic naitanui invented the radio
Lol that's silly, you should've included it in the second section.
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i'm kind of hoping my assessor isn't old, cos they're not going to like my second piece
in one bit i wrote that 'the only thing drier than their imaginations is the food in the nursing homes in which they belong'
(horriblehumanbeing/10)
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I know I got one of the tiles MC questions wrong, there goes the 35/35 in MST i got on my school's practice GAT..
I actually liked the writing tasks! Last year it was all like 'ehhh I'm a mountain' this year I was all like 'TESLA, RADIOS, SPACE EXPLORATION, ALIENS and the INTERNET, YEAH!'
And for the second piece I wrote a motivational speech from a past student to a group of graduating software developers, about why they are of more value in a changing field than 'experienced' elder developers. It ended with 'ladies and gentlemen, I invite you to change the world.'
Yeah I may have inspired myself a little :')
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same i just guessed that and some other questions especially the chair question cbf
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I feel like I spoke about old people a little too much like they are disposable objects haha.
One sentence was something like "elders are only of use if we can extract knowledge and practical application that is relevant in the modern world."
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My main troubles were the English type multiple choice. The poems and the quotes were hard for me but I think I did well with the maths questions
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That story about the Czechoslovakian army guy was really tricky. Took me a while to figure out that he was actually trying to make the impression that the troops were answering the questions correctly by framing the answers in the questions.
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Haha absolutely hated the flowchart one with the shapes..
Actually I hated all the questions with flow charts.. except the easy math one towards the end :D
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what did you guys say for the photo with the boy talking to the grandpa about the christmas gift ?
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what did you guys say for the photo with the boy talking to the grandpa about the christmas gift ?
glib insincerity?
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what did you guys say for the photo with the boy talking to the grandpa about the christmas gift ?
i thought it was sarcastic in a way but I didn't really Analyse it I couldn't be bothered. I made random game of thrones and arrow references in my essay.
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Three things irked me:
1. wtf at the shape selection process thingo (i completely forgot what it's called) wasted all this time trying to understand the logic of the two flowcharts. If it has 'curves' then go get a hexagon, etc. I was like pulling my hair out at it.
2. What was with that story about "Mother City" Q: Why did they leave "mother city" for the suburbs?
3. Find the no. of triangles big, med and small to fill in the BLACK area. yeah, that makes things not confusing, the triangles were black as well!
I found the family with like 5 languages a fun one to do though.
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was the awnser the dad can talk to the daughter and son without the mum knowing ?
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was the awnser the dad can talk to the daughter and son without the mum knowing ?
That was the one!...I'm pretty sure
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Haha! Well done for all of you for finishing the GAT!:)
I can't believe people left early ....i finished with only 10 minutes to check.
The topics for the writing were pretty good. I had heaps of fun writing a creative for the second topic. :)
The multiple choice was okay. I got stuck on the height question, like the shoulder height ,etc. , the maths was alright compared to last year and the humanities component was okay too.
AND OMG THE LAST 5-6 QUESTIONS ...doing those questions was the best part! :)
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was the awnser the dad can talk to the daughter and son without the mum knowing ?
I believe so. That's what I picked.
Three things irked me:
1. wtf at the shape selection process thingo (i completely forgot what it's called) wasted all this time trying to understand the logic of the two flowcharts. If it has 'curves' then go get a hexagon, etc. I was like pulling my hair out at it.
2. What was with that story about "Mother City" Q: Why did they leave "mother city" for the suburbs?
1) took me a while to understand the shape selection also, I instantly thought it would also start at the bottom then move up, but it worked it's way around the flowchart..
2) had no idea why they left the suburb, that whole passage was really hard to understand in my opinion.
glib insincerity?
Yeash that's what I thought.
I feel like I spoke about old people a little too much like they are disposable objects haha.
One sentence was something like "elders are only of use if we can extract knowledge and practical application that is relevant in the modern world."
I actually wrote mine in agreement with the first point, that with age comes experience and insight etc. Hopefully it worked out, I don't think my persuasive piece was nearly as strong as my informative piece.
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Haha! Well done for all of you for finishing the GAT!:)
I can't believe people left early ....i finished with only 10 minutes to check.
I ended up finishing with 20 minutes left.. I did a quick read of my writing pieces but I was only able to quickly run over the first 50 questions.. agrghrhgrgh no checking of the last few, and I was surprised at how many answers I ended up changing for the Quotes and English ones..
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Haha! Well done for all of you for finishing the GAT!:)
I can't believe people left early ....i finished with only 10 minutes to check.
The topics for the writing were pretty good. I had heaps of fun writing a creative for the second topic. :)
The multiple choice was okay. I got stuck on the height question, like the shoulder height ,etc. , the maths was alright compared to last year and the humanities component was okay too.
AND OMG THE LAST 5-6 QUESTIONS ...doing those questions was the best part! :)
The Mathematics component was actually quite easy :) Some intricate words were used in the answers; however, nothing that a dictionary cannot define lol. Overall, a good first GAT for me. I'm not sure whether its because I spent a bit longer on the written pieces than suggested, but I finished with only about 5 minutes to spare. Luckily I completed the paper!
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I ended up finishing with 20 minutes left.. I did a quick read of my writing pieces but I was only able to quickly run over the first 50 questions.. agrghrhgrgh no checking of the last few, and I was surprised at how many answers I ended up changing for the Quotes and English ones..
I felt that I guessed about 15 questions, 50-50 with majority of those 50. And I feel as though my first piece was more coherently structured than my persuasive pieece. I reckon its because I awoke to the realisation that I had spent longer than suggested on the first written response.
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Did anybody else have 70 year old supervisors for the gat btw the time they collected all of our gats it was 1:35. Why cant vcaa employ people other then grandpas and grandmas lol
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We had six old men.
And a twenty-something woman.
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LOL, it was one of those things where I was confident with my answers, but any bet I did majority of it wrong. I finished multiple choice first and had around 1 hour 15 minutes for writing. I ended up going over multiple choice again quickly, then wrote both pieces easily. Once again, probably bombed it haha
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Did anybody else have 70 year old supervisors for the gat btw the time they collected all of our gats it was 1:35. Why cant vcaa employ people other then grandpas and grandmas lol
Our chief supervisor was quite young. Probably late 20s. There were two older assitant supervisors whom accompanied her as well.
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That was surprisingly enjoyable :)
I spent like five minutes trying to remember what the GAT line is this year and just managed to fit it in haha
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we had like two old men and and one woman lol
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2) had no idea why they left the suburb, that whole passage was really hard to understand in my opinion.
The only hint I came across in that piece was that Mother City had crowded streets or something so my answer ended up being unsustainable or something like that. Too much interpretation needed imo.
Did anybody else have 70 year old supervisors for the gat btw the time they collected all of our gats it was 1:35. Why cant vcaa employ people other then grandpas and grandmas lol
I had like a first timer supervisor, she like forgot to cross of the time like 3 times and she accidently said you may begin your reading instead of writing after reading time.
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GAT = Good UMAT practice in my opinion :P
Did anybody else have 70 year old supervisors for the gat btw the time they collected all of our gats it was 1:35. Why cant vcaa employ people other then grandpas and grandmas lol
Yup - I reckon it's mostly the older people who volunteer?
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I thought they got paid ? rather be playing golf ahahhaha
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Our supervisor was awkward. She would read the instructions and then just seem like she did nothing to get our attention. How are the marks for the GAT given?
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Probably my final post here but there were some questions that just irritated me;
1) The flowchart with the shapes. So frustrating and confusing.
2) The one with the triangles confused me a bit. I wasn't sure about the last two questions, I probably just wasn't thinking lol.
3) Poems were hard to understand. I'm anti-poetic, It's like Julia Gillard being forced to marry Tony Abott, that's how I feel reading a poem.
Here's what I really liked:
1) Writing section 1 was really good.
2) Writing section 2 was GREAT. Felt like there were so many options to write about.
3) Most of the maths parts were easy and challenging
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With age comes experience, understand and insight... yeah, nah, look I'm just waiting for a mate.
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GAT = Good UMAT practice in my opinion :P
That is exactly what I was thinking during the GAT today. Especially those patterns-style questions. Plus the GAT is MC so its good UMAT practice.
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http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/8561_10151645093547439_1557474109_n.jpg hated this question with a passion
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My school only had young people supervising, I would say about 20-30 years old.
I've looked back over my answers and noticed some mistakes :(
Does anyone know when the answers be published?
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The only hint I came across in that piece was that Mother City had crowded streets or something so my answer ended up being unsustainable or something like that. Too much interpretation needed imo.
There was:
a) too serious, suburb had rustic charm
b) predicatble, stimulation from suburb
c) unsustainable, the suburb offer an alternative
d) too materialistic, sought spirituality
it said "packed streets that drove us to this suburb" so I assumed it was overcrowded or somethun.. ahhh those were the sorts of questions that annoyed me.
http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/8561_10151645093547439_1557474109_n.jpg hated this question with a passion
I think I got that wrong from the replies of others..
I ended up taking the GAT from the table next to mine on the way out also, haha because mine was too messy with working to look at, if i ever want to go through the questions again for some odd reason.
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i thought it was sarcastic in a way but I didn't really Analyse it I couldn't be bothered. I made random game of thrones and arrow references in my essay.
referenced game of thrones as well in mine.. in the same sentence as Jersey Shore which was a bit weird...
did anyone do the waiting for a mate thing?
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Our supervisor was awkward. She would read the instructions and then just seem like she did nothing to get our attention. How are the marks for the GAT given?
You'll get your GAT results with your Study Scores at the end of the year.
For each of the three sections, you'll get your mark (I think English is out of 20, the other sections being out of 35), and then a scaled score. So just like study scores, this scaled "GAT" score can go to 50, and your score is based on the performance of everyone else.
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You'll get your GAT results with your Study Scores at the end of the year.
For each of the three sections, you'll get your mark (I think English is out of 20, the other sections being out of 35), and then a scaled score. So just like study scores, this scaled "GAT" score can go to 50, and your score is based on the performance of everyone else.
So do you receive an overall GAT score out of 50?
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If you DO SERIOUSLY SHIT on your GAT, but ace the Exams + SACS, will VCAA think you cheated or something o.o?
So as long as I do fine on my exam + Sacs, my S.S will be fine regardless of GAT score?
How is GAT involved in scaling then?
So if you do terrible on your gat.. your S.S will scale down?
I know that GAT is sometimes used in uni selection.. since I'm in yr 11... this year's results won't even matter right?
LOL Because I think I was too chill in the GAT and I need some piece of mind.. :D
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Is there a thread with people's answers to multi choice?
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So do you receive an overall GAT score out of 50?
you'll get a 'study score' out of 50 for each of the 3 sections. one for written communication, one of maths/science/technology, and one for humanities/arts
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you'll get a 'study score' out of 50 for each of the 3 sections. one for written communication, one of maths/science/technology, and one for humanities/arts
Ooh thats cool. Thanks for that (:
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But why do use this to calculate your atar my friend got 20s in all the areas and he ended up getting an atar of 92 lol
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probs been asked a million times before but is the GAT only used for when you miss an exam or does it have an effect on subject scaling anyway?
for that question with the family in the car I said 'conventional and self-contained' and 'be remote from it'
struggled with question 20, said the casino reference was based on HFT firms requiring good luck
screwed up Q28, said the police/fire gave their patience fewer medications that paramedics
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probs been asked a million times before but is the GAT only used for when you miss an exam or does it have an effect on subject scaling anyway?
for that question with the family in the car I said 'conventional and self-contained' and 'be remote from it'
struggled with question 20, said the casino reference was based on HFT firms requiring good luck
screwed up Q28, said the police/fire gave their patience fewer medications that paramedics
oh i have the same answers for the family in the car question
i chose guaranteeing profits to operators ...
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When do people get their GAT marks?
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When do people get their GAT marks?
End of the year with your other marks too.
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struggled with question 20, said the casino reference was based on HFT firms requiring good luck
i chose guaranteeing profits to operators ...
my understanding of casinos is that they have the odds in their favour enough so that over time they will end up profiting, even if they lose a bunch of money to some random. probability pretty much ensures that they'll always come out on top. the thing with HFT that i got from that extract was that it works by going for little profits not risky, larger tradeoffs, and as a result ends up benefitting in the long run. that's why I chose 'guarantees profits to operators'
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Did anyone else's stomach sound like a dying whale by the end of it?
I ate sooooo much just before the exam to avoid this. 2 bananas, 1 milo bar, milkshake, packet of biscuits, a lot of water in like 2 minutes.
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my understanding of casinos is that they have the odds in their favour enough so that over time they will end up profiting, even if they lose a bunch of money to some random. probability pretty much ensures that they'll always come out on top. the thing with HFT that i got from that extract was that it works by going for little profits not risky, larger tradeoffs, and as a result ends up benefitting in the long run. that's why I chose 'guarantees profits to operators'
yay found someone who thinks the same way xD
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I didn't like Writing Task 1. So boring! LOL...
Did anyone else feel really cold in the GAT? At our school, it was FREEZING!
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yeah I thought the same thing but the mentioning of casino AS FAR AS I REMEMBER was in a sentence explaining that the operators didn't understand the actual workings of the algorithms and therefore it was more about luck to them than strategy or some SHIET.
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How I felt about the GAT:
Whoever guesses the most right is the smartest.
the end
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Direct quote from my GAT for the second writing task-the topic about old people retiring:
"what would you rather? Spending your afternoon sinking a few cold ones or being stressed over the appraisal deadline?"
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for writing
task 1 i wrote 2 pages
task 2 i wrote 1 page only.. no ideas..
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Oh that's the other thing, it only took me about 70 minutes to do all of the MC questions so I had about an hour on each writing task. I nearly filled a booklet :')
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Ugh have to do it again next year ew
My essays were terrible
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Ugh, I felt so uninspired for the writing part. I like old people so I wrote nice stuff xD
The multiple choice was okay I suppose. But some of that art analysis was just...
T_T
How did everyone go with the US space program questions?
I just... couldn't find the height of the seat above ground...
And I feel like there was a way. But all I could think about was how much food I was going to consume once they let us out. :P
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Hi. I love your avatar.
Also, don't choose "c", choose "A, C, D, C" (2011 GAT - earned me one of the worst in the state \o/)
Ditto was my childhood ahaha. As soon as I caught one in Pokemon Emerald I spent like a week leveling it up so that I could mimic any super strong Pokemon in battle. It would take forever to defeat them though because of the not very effective situation.
And LOL!
I actually wasn't feeling "c" that much today so, I think I guessed "b" for a couple questions. ;)
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Ugh, I felt so uninspired for the writing part. I like old people so I wrote nice stuff xD
The multiple choice was okay I suppose. But some of that art analysis was just...
T_T
How did everyone go with the US space program questions?
I just... couldn't find the height of the seat above ground...
And I feel like there was a way. But all I could think about was how much food I was going to consume once they let us out. :P
I had trouble with that one too, especially the last part of the questions for that series. I think you had to match the number from the picture to that in the graph. So, for example 888 could be 77.1 in the x percentile but for the y percentile it could be 87.2. It was like matching stuff.
But yes, I feel really stupid seeing everyone seems to know the answers. haha.
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Ugh, I felt so uninspired for the writing part. I like old people so I wrote nice stuff xD
The multiple choice was okay I suppose. But some of that art analysis was just...
T_T
How did everyone go with the US space program questions?
I just... couldn't find the height of the seat above ground...
And I feel like there was a way. But all I could think about was how much food I was going to consume once they let us out. :P
if u mean no.40 then it's possible to find
but no.42 i think we cannot determine anything
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if u mean no.40 then it's possible to find
but no.42 i think we cannot determine anything
Thats comforting ahaha.
It just felt so incorrect putting "Cannot be determined from the information provided" for two questions :L
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Thats comforting ahaha.
It just felt so incorrect putting "Cannot be determined from the information provided" for two questions :L
Was going to post that exact thing! In a SAC or Exam, none of the above and all of the above are usually never the right answers! :P
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I was really happy with the two writing tasks for this year's GAT. I got completely screwed over in the multiple choice (again) though... even the Maths ones. Here's hoping that nothing goes wrong for Biology, Chemistry, Methods or Specialist at the end of the year. :P
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Thats comforting ahaha.
It just felt so incorrect putting "Cannot be determined from the information provided" for two questions :L
for no.40 i chose C though..
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I feel like the multiple choice questions were more difficult this year than last, but maybe I was just a bit more stressed or taking it more seriously. How did you all find it compared to last year?
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Anyone else find the gat fun =D
It's a pity I'm in year 12.... sigh.
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for no.40 i chose C though..
I was stressed for both though ahaha.
At least one might be right xD
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I feel like the multiple choice questions were more difficult this year than last, but maybe I was just a bit more stressed or taking it more seriously. How did you all find it compared to last year?
i didnt do it last year ..only year 11 this year.. i found the maths questions easy.. hope no careless mistakes..
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What did people choose for this photo http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/8561_10151645093547439_1557474109_n.jpg ?
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What did people choose for this photo http://sphotos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/8561_10151645093547439_1557474109_n.jpg ?
i chose conventional and self-contained &
be remote from it
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Writing Task 1 had a much more interesting topic than usual. The diagrams made sense to me this year, last year's were incomprehensible. The painting of the family in the car was complete bullcrap, impossible to get anything from it.
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wov avalian you already have an atar of 73.80 with only 3 subjects done ;)
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I liked this GAT's writing tasks better and thought the Maths questions were easier than last years, but the humanities/english questions were terrible. That "Outer Suburbs" poem just didn't resonate with me at all (neither did that cultural phenomenon painting).
How could the seat height be calculated? I said it couldn't be done, but I'd love to see how it could actually be done, for interest's sake.
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I chose that it couldn't be done as well but whenever I went over previous GATs, the answer was never "cannot be done", so I'm just heavily assuming that this year for the first time ever they've made the answer "cannot be done", lol.
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I found the humanities to be better suited to my skills. Humanities student ftw!
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I found the humanities to be better suited to my skills. Humanities student ftw!
My humanities last year was 30/35. It won't be near that high this year and kinda need it for a DES in Revolutions :(
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My humanities last year was 30/35. It won't be near that high this year and kinda need it for a DES in Revolutions :(
Whoa. You tiger, that's great!
You never know, but you'll be fine. You'll work hard and you'll know what to do. Good luck for Revs. It is at the moment my weakest subject but here's to hoping for the best.
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I chose that it couldn't be done as well but whenever I went over previous GATs, the answer was never "cannot be done", so I'm just heavily assuming that this year for the first time ever they've made the answer "cannot be done", lol.
i also chose it couldn't be done
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^ me too. Huge boost in confidence right now!
And I answered conventional and self contained for the picture as well, I changed it in the last 5 minutes though!
Was feeling really happy with what I did and then on the bus I heard some girl bragging about how she did 4 pages for each writing task. Lucky its quality not quantity :p
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^ me too. Huge boost in confidence right now!
And I answered conventional and self contained for the picture as well, I changed it in the last 5 minutes though!
Was feeling really happy with what I did and then on the bus I heard some girl bragging about how she did 4 pages for each writing task. Lucky its quality not quantity :p
Some people do 1 line then leave a gap, I was shocked last year when I saw people did like 16 pages in total for the english exam, and then I read on and they left a line empty, I think it makes it easier for the examiners or something..
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^ me too. Huge boost in confidence right now!
And I answered conventional and self contained for the picture as well, I changed it in the last 5 minutes though!
Was feeling really happy with what I did and then on the bus I heard some girl bragging about how she did 4 pages for each writing task. Lucky its quality not quantity :p
what?! 4 pages for each? i only wrote 2 pages for 1st n 1 page for 2nd
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i think about 1-2 is what's expected
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Was feeling really happy with what I did and then on the bus I heard some girl bragging about how she did 4 pages for each writing task. Lucky its quality not quantity :p
I did about 3 and a half pages for each. I just couldn't fit all the information in the way I wanted to in a shorter way.
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Just wondering if anyone has their answers to this years multiple choice questions?
I previous years it has been a useful way to estimate our results...
Anyone?
I'm cdjm92's mum, not him :P
Mum-to-5-kids...
One in uni,
Three completing VCE
And one finishing grade 6
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Just wondering if anyone has their answers to this years multiple choice questions?
I previous years it has been a useful way to estimate our results...
I make no promises that my answers are correct, but I'll inbox them to you anyway.
Give me a minute to type them out.
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I kept my results. I realised I've got 3 of the Maths/Science questions wrong after close examination, which greatly annoys me! But I can post them for comparison!
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I kept my results. I realised I've got 3 of the Maths/Science questions wrong after close examination, which greatly annoys me! But I can post them for comparison!
Please do? :)
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You got yours? Post for compare?
Edit: Sent as an inbox.
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How did you guys get C for 40? I couldn't determine the seat height.
How did you determine your answer for Q5? I thought it was C
edit: you edited the answers out people! lol.
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How did you guys get C for 40? I couldn't determine the seat height.
How did you determine your answer for Q5? I thought it was C
edit: you edited the answers out people! lol.
ya one started to remove ans and i followed haha..
no.5 i chose B .. for 40 ..u use 751+312
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i remember being able to calculate the differece between shoulder height and seat height by adding two measurements tohether, but not the actual seat height (shoulder height wasnt given)
removed post containing answers because the others did, maybetheres something against posting them i dont want to do anything wrong.
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ya one started to remove ans and i followed haha..
no.5 i chose B .. for 40 ..u use 751+312
The question asks for the value of the difference between the height of the shoulder above the ground and the height of the seat about the ground. 751 + 312 gives 62cm. But it asks for the difference between that height and the height between the seat and the ground. How can it be C?
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The question asks for the value of the difference between the height of the shoulder above the ground and the height of the seat about the ground. 751 + 312 gives 62cm. But it asks for the difference between that height and the height between the seat and the ground. How can it be C?
look at the question again.. seat height + 312 + 751 = height of shoulder above the ground
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ya one started to remove ans and i followed haha..
no.5 i chose B .. for 40 ..u use 751+312
Yup you're right I didn't read that correctly I thought I read from the top to the bottom. I still don't know if its some sort of trick question though lol.
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You got yours? Post for compare?
Edit: Sent as an inbox.
I don't have my booklet because I left it in the room, and have a spare from my teacher who stole one. From memory, I can tell that I've gotten many wrong. -.- Thanks for sending the answers btw.
And For question 33-35, my mind, for some strange reason, read the debate topic wrong, so my answers would be wrong for that entire section. :(
Oh well, it's over. :D
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look at the question again.. seat height + 312 + 751 = height of shoulder above the ground
Oic...
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i made a careless mistake for no.22 ... i looked at the heart to decide curve or no curve instead of the rectangle..
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look at the question again.. seat height + 312 + 751 = height of shoulder above the ground
edit: nvm I see what you mean.
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But what is the seat height?
we cant determine that .. but we can find difference between height of seat above ground and height of shoulder above the ground
it's like x+62=y ..we know the difference is 62 but cant find x
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yup yup, you were on the ball, wasn't paying attention, oh well lol.
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Did people say that the paramedics would treat more serious VF patients?
That's what I said, but then I thought, is there such thing? haha
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yup yup, you were on the ball, wasn't paying attention, oh well lol.
I had a thumping headache and a sore body. I was fatigued. I was literally sprawled over the table at one stage trying to recover because I forgot my glasses in my locker and after about an hour, everything started becoming a blur. I definitely think there were a few questions that I just quickly skipped because (a) I had no energy to think and (b) I was eager to just finish it and sleep. Oh well, I'm not angry/disappointed with my performance. Just hope its not really going to be such a big factor in my study score determination for Further Maths + Bio.
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Q5 was B, just derped it up in general XD
Q24 was C, because there is no shape "0"
Q25 was D, because there are 4 options, and one is the example hexagon.
I felt a bit derpy after that. Also you guys were right for 67, don't know what I was thinking when I said A. :/
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Did people say that the paramedics would treat more serious VF patients?
That's what I said, but then I thought, is there such thing? haha
same here
Q5 was B, just derped it up in general XD
Q24 was C, because there is no shape "0"
Q25 was D, because there are 4 options, and one is the example hexagon.
I felt a bit derpy after that. Also you guys were right for 67, don't know what I was thinking when I said A. :/
hmm then i think i did well in maths and science..except for 1 careless mistake.. 67 is A right?
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same here
hmm then i think i did well in maths and science..except for 1 careless mistake.. 67 is A right?
I also got A for 67.
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Q5 was B, just derped it up in general XD
Q24 was C, because there is no shape "0"
Q25 was D, because there are 4 options, and one is the example hexagon.
I felt a bit derpy after that. Also you guys were right for 67, don't know what I was thinking when I said A. :/
How did you get B for question 5?
And what was the answer for question 67?
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How did you get B for question 5?
And what was the answer for question 67?
67 A?
no.5
if we make pattern 1 to 7
we need 28 blacks n 56 whites..if we wan to make 1 to 8 , we need 36 blacks and 84 whites..so it cant be 8
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For question 5, I thought you'd get to 56 white counters (when x=6), and it was therefore impossible to fully complete option 7.
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67 A?
no.5
if we make pattern 1 to 7
we need 28 blacks n 56 whites..if we wan to make 1 to 8 , we need 36 blacks and 84 whites..so it cant be 8
The only patterns I made during the GAT were fancy shapes when filling in the circles on the MC sheet. Good times.
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Sorry guys! I meant to say I put B when the answer was A!!! 67 IS A.
Thanks for explaining 5 RKTR :)
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For question 5, I thought you'd get to 56 white counters (when x=6), and it was therefore impossible to fully complete option 7.
that's what i thought at first..then i realised in pattern 1 there's 0 white.. so it's 7 ..
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But how does that make a difference? If you take that into consideration;
Pattern 1 - 1/0
Pattern 2 - 2/3
Pattern 3 - 3/6
Pattern 4 - 4/10
Pattern 5 - 5/15
Pattern 6 - 6/21
Add all the whites up and you have 55, if the next pattern requires 28 whites, it's still impossible.
I don't know if I'm not understanding something simple... ahha
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As a general question, If I did bad on the Humanities/Arts/Social Sciences section, will it affect anything, seeing as I do no subjects which fall into that category? :? I screwed up big time with those questions. Also did pretty horrendously in the writing section, but not fussed about English this year anyway. :/
Please and thanks for any/all replies. :)
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Just wondering for Question 15, how did people get B as the answer? I thought that the paint only discoloured when chromium reacted with sulfate and/or barium. If there is no chromium in sample v, how can the chromium react with sulfate/barium?
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But how does that make a difference? If you take that into consideration;
Pattern 1 - 1/0
Pattern 2 - 2/3
Pattern 3 - 3/6
Pattern 4 - 4/10
Pattern 5 - 5/15
Pattern 6 - 6/21
Add all the whites up and you have 55, if the next pattern requires 28 whites, it's still impossible.
I don't know if I'm not understanding something simple... ahha
Well, doing this again now, the table I get is:
Pattern Number - (Black/White)
P1 - 1/0
P2 - 2/1
P3 - 3/3
P4 - 4/6
P5 - 5/10
P6 - 6/15
P7 - 7/21
P8 - 8/28
When you add all whites up to P7, you get 56.
If you go up to P8, you get 84 white counters. They've specified that there's only 70 available. :/
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I don't know if I'm not understanding something simple... ahha
there's chromium in sample v..it contains no lead
Oh, misread the column. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Just a protip guys: you'e all MUCH better off going back to VCE study rather than worrying about the answers to a test that doesn't really matter anyway :P ;)
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People keep saying that it doesn't really matter which does nothing to alleviate the stress. It doesn't matter at all, full stop, unless you can't sit an exam or you're doing a folio subject, and even then it has minimal influence. I'd rather the VCAA just got rid of it to be honest, it only serves to take a day away from the kids and cause them unnecessary worry and concern, which God(s) knows they get enough of already.
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my teachers told me that the GAT does effect scaling regardless of whether you miss an exam. WHYYYYYYYYY
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Yeah it does, but it's such a minute effect. Really nothing to worry about.
I'm actually a bit worried that people in this thread seem worried about the GAT :/
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the above two posts just got me worried, so it does have an effect on your marks? what if I got a few wrong on the maths section? this could be bad.
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the above two posts just got me worried, so it does have an effect on your marks? what if I got a few wrong on the maths section? this could be bad.
Don't worry!
The cohort GAT, not your individual GAT is used (in part) for scaling. It is not the sole determinant and in the larger scheme of things your own GAT doesn't really contribute much at all to it.
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I agree that the GAT should be abolished. It's stupid like anything.
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Just to confirm: the GAT can NOT lower your scores.
It can NOT ruin your VCE.
It is NOT worth stressing over.
:)
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Just to confirm: the GAT can NOT lower your scores.
It can NOT ruin your VCE.
It is NOT worth stressing over.
:)
Ok so it can only be beneficial for me. Hooray.
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Would you mind sharing your multiple choice answers with me?
I'm collecting answers from several people on this forum so I can show them side by side (anonymously) with the hope of being able to show which answers are "most likely" to be correct. We did this a few years back and it worked well as most people posting on this site tend tend to score well above the average so it's fairly reliable :-)
My email is [email protected]
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I've never seen or heard any actual evidence as to it having an effect on scaling. If my school didn't take it seriously (one of the top achieving ones) I'm not going to either, beyond just 'doing my best' and then not giving a darn afterwards.
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I've never seen or heard any actual evidence as to it having an effect on scaling. If my school didn't take it seriously (one of the top achieving ones) I'm not going to either, beyond just 'doing my best' and then not giving a darn afterwards.
I don't think the GAT has an effect on scaling by VTAC. Pretty sure that is just done by the shape of the bell curve in each subject.
The GAT does however play a roll in the statistical moderation of SACs (for an ever increasing number of subjects, according to VCAA) and obviously plays a part in the DES as well as checking whether exam marks are accurate based on what can be predicted from the GAT as well as what's predicted from SAC marks and the teacher's indicative grade.
At the end of the day the GAT can only help you so it's in your best interest to try your best, it's really not that long and at least it provides for a break from full on study in the middle of the year in it's current form.
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I make no promises that my answers are correct, but I'll inbox them to you anyway.
Give me a minute to type them out.
Any chance you can post them publicly or send them to me as well?
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Inboxing
In the unlikely event anyone else wants them, send me a PM
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I don't think the GAT has an effect on scaling by VTAC. Pretty sure that is just done by the shape of the bell curve in each subject.
Scaling of SACs? Yes. Scaling of the subject? No.
:)
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Scaling of SACs? Yes. Scaling of the subject? No.
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Exactly what I said.
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Yep I know, it just seems like a few in this thread are freaking out after reading the first line or so of some posts and are then jumping to outlandish conclusions, just reaffirming your correct point :)
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Good explanation on what the GAT does and how it affects SACS.
Re: SAC SCALING EXPLANATION