National Education => Admissions tests => UMAT => Topic started by: pi on July 31, 2013, 12:11:25 pm
Title: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 12:11:25 pm
Hope it all went well! :)
Just to concentrate all thoughts and feelings into one thread.
Questions for thought:
Was it what you expected?
How do you think you went (modesty aside)?
Was it different to whatever prep you did? How?
How did it compare to the ACER papers? Same format?
How did you find the venue and the seas of Asians and Indians/Lankans?
Before the test were you nervous/excited/etc? How did you overcome this?
Post test, feeling relieved/anxious/etc?
Did anything funny happen during the test worth sharing?
I'm not sure about current ACER policy, but it's probably best to NOT discuss specific questions from the exam (especially as Afternoon Session kids might still be out and about).
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: datfatcat on July 31, 2013, 12:34:39 pm
DAMN I was about to make a thread....anyway maybe you should add a poll to it :)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 12:44:59 pm
Haha! Poll added!
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Stick on July 31, 2013, 02:05:35 pm
Just to concentrate all thoughts and feelings into one thread.
Questions for thought:
Was it what you expected?
No, I was expecting to get completely destroyed in those three hours. I guess it was easier than I thought, but it's hard to know with these sorts of things.
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How do you think you went (modesty aside)?
Better than I thought. It still won't be anywhere near cutoffs, but I'm hoping that I might be somewhere in the middle in terms of percentiles.
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Was it different to whatever prep you did? How?
The little preparation that I did was useful because I at least had some ideas on how to tackle a question. I guess I feel a bit guilty as that probably means that I could have done fantastic if I had actually done more than two practice papers in February.
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How did it compare to the ACER papers? Same format?
I didn't do them. -.- LOL
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How did you find the venue and the seas of Asians and Indians/Lankans?
As I live close to the venue, I was very familiar with its layout. Although, they should have put up signs so people knew which queue to join. The 'sea' of Asians and Indians/Lankans was of no significance to me.
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Before the test were you nervous/excited/etc? How did you overcome this?
I just felt calm because I knew that this result doesn't really matter for me. If anything, I was probably a bit amused simply because I had done nothing for it and was expecting the absolute worst.
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Post test, feeling relieved/anxious/etc?
I feel normal I guess. Perhaps a bit happy given that I exceeded my own expectations.
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Did anything funny happen during the test worth sharing?
Yeah, a kid from my school who I was lining up with held up the whole ground floor from starting the test for an hour or so because he didn't bring the right ID. XD
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: shaiga95 on July 31, 2013, 02:12:24 pm
The onlky disappointing aspect was the long wait got there at 8:00 reading time didnt start until after 10 :(
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Stick on July 31, 2013, 02:14:57 pm
Didnt finish, had to guess ~8. Is that super concerning argh?
I didn't get to answer three of them (just coloured in C), but I had to guess along the way as well. I don't think it's too much of an issue.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: shaiga95 on July 31, 2013, 02:18:44 pm
Im sure he has learnt his lesson.....the hard way, hope he still did alright. I dont get why they couldnt have let those people sit the test and confirm their id after as opposed to holding everyone up oh well.Just out of interest how many people to you think there were on the ground floor?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: shaiga95 on July 31, 2013, 02:20:25 pm
I skim read a few and concentrated on ones I knew I could nail.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Vivo_95 on July 31, 2013, 02:39:52 pm
Ahhhhhh the relief! It was better than I thought it would be. I had done practice with medentry and the acer stuff and I found that most of the exam was easier than the practices however there were a few questions that I had never come across before so I made educated guesses probably around 10-15. Meh. What's done is done :)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: achre on July 31, 2013, 02:59:46 pm
I have more than a few concerns about my S3 performance, but I don't think I did too horibbly. Did I imagine it, or was there actually a question about an obese chick hiding a sandwich?
I can pass on your discontent to the guy that held us all up, if you'd like. :P
The guy who had to print his admission ticket off from Monash and the operator wouldn't let him?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Vivo_95 on July 31, 2013, 03:16:19 pm
Haha yeah, she hid it under her armpit.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: teletubbies_95 on July 31, 2013, 03:19:03 pm
Section 1= crap ! Guessed about 5-8 questions! Spent too much time working the golden thing and the jumping squares question! Section 2= It was easier than I expected it to be ! Spent too much time on it! Section 3= easier than medentry , and were really quick to do !
Man , there were so many Asians and curries! :P Not expecting a great score, we'll see what happens!
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: drcrowthorne on July 31, 2013, 03:41:01 pm
Wow...
That whole exam was like a complete buzz of semi-indecisiveness, semi-going-through-the-motions. So unsure how I went though! Like.. at this point, any score is possible! I guessed like 15 like... wow everyone finished. I was really kind of crap with timing.
Anyone know when the results get released?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Limista on July 31, 2013, 03:43:40 pm
I have more than a few concerns about my S3 performance, but I don't think I did too horibbly. Did I imagine it, or was there actually a question about an obese chick hiding a sandwich? The guy who had to print his admission ticket off from Monash and the operator wouldn't let him?
Nah you didn't imagine it. :P
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: datfatcat on July 31, 2013, 03:45:44 pm
That whole exam was like a complete buzz of semi-indecisiveness, semi-going-through-the-motions. So unsure how I went though! Like.. at this point, any score is possible! I guessed like 15 like... wow everyone finished. I was really kind of crap with timing.
Anyone know when the results get released?
Around mid-September
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Stick on July 31, 2013, 03:47:16 pm
"I'm a Bacardi kind of guy," he said flirtatiously.
Loved that question. <3
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: ttang94 on July 31, 2013, 03:48:24 pm
Hey everyone,
I finished UMAT today at Sydney. Anyways I was really calm during the exam but maybe I was TOO calm because I ended up not being able to finish on time so I had to guess maybe around 15-20 questions (but it wasn't in order, they were skipped questions I knew I wouldn't have time to read). I went out feeling really crap because I mentally properly did a section 2 question that i guessed and cross referenced it to my MC and I said to myself "Well..those are DEFINITELY WRONG". But yeh, i went out feeling crap while most of my friends ended up feeling satisfied and some managed to finish on time. What do I do now? Now I'm worried that the answers that I thought are correct might be incorrect... I know that the results can't be controlled but I'm really worried that I haven't done enough and that I'd let myself down and everybody down who believed in me...what should I do to get this worry off my mind?
P.S. Did anybody here get a question which was a missing grid section, but two of the multiple choices had the same grid which happened to be the correct one? My supervisor said that it'd be reported so hopefully ACER will let both answers either be correct.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: muscle min on July 31, 2013, 03:49:51 pm
I didn't finish, guesed 5 at the end of the paper. Looked through the questions when they were collecting the answer sheets and none of them seem to be C gg.
And also, is it just me or was there a s2 about a 55 year old gay man taking interest in a young man...(not that there's anything (too) wrong with that)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Limista on July 31, 2013, 03:50:33 pm
"I'm a Bacardi kind of guy," he said flirtatiously.
Loved that question. <3
LOL
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: McFleurry on July 31, 2013, 03:54:43 pm
So glad it's over. Time to start preparing for sacs :(
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: achre on July 31, 2013, 04:04:44 pm
Just on the note of S2 discussion: - The answer to the last "bacardi type of guy" question wasn't that the woman would feel foolish by the end of the night, was it? Because I only realised after I was finished that that was probably extrapolating too much (the other questions sort of indicated that the man was leading her on to get free drinks or whatever, but I don't think that's enough to assume that she would feel a negative emotion when she was very positive throughout the entire extract) - I feel sorry for the man whose daughter carries on a polite conversation while he's hammering on his emergency buzzer in another room.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: lolipopper on July 31, 2013, 04:22:01 pm
I did shit. I had to guess ~7 questions in the end so that i didnt get penalised for writing after time. But this guy next to me kept shading even after like 20 seconds. I wanted to report him so bad....!
did any of you guys see a guy in a red jersey with a grey hoodie?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 04:25:31 pm
Just on the note of S2 discussion: - The answer to the last "bacardi type of guy" question wasn't that the woman would feel foolish by the end of the night, was it? Because I only realised after I was finished that that was probably extrapolating too much (the other questions sort of indicated that the man was leading her on to get free drinks or whatever, but I don't think that's enough to assume that she would feel a negative emotion when she was very positive throughout the entire extract) - I feel sorry for the man whose daughter carries on a polite conversation while he's hammering on his emergency buzzer in another room. Never been so happy to get back to VCE.
It was a man, not a woman. But yeah, don't start discussing the answers to questions. The loose details that have been previously mentioned should be alright, but don't push the envelope too far.
Also, what was up with the optional 'research' question?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 05:47:42 pm
Also, what was up with the optional 'research' question?
Sounds like ACER was trialing a new type of question for future UMATs.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Stick on July 31, 2013, 05:49:38 pm
No, they wanted to know how you prepared. It was optional and they stressed it had no bearing on the results, but I was still sceptical. Nonetheless, I put down "no preparation" since that was pretty much the honest truth. :P
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 05:51:20 pm
No, they wanted to know how you prepared. It was optional and they stressed it had no bearing on the results, but I was still sceptical. Nonetheless, I put down "no preparation" since that was pretty much the honest truth. :P
Ah yeah they do that every year. I assumed you meant an actual question in the exam.
They do studies on it and whatnot.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Daenerys Targaryen on July 31, 2013, 05:51:52 pm
Was there two different tests one on level 1 and a different on ground? (caulfield)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: McFleurry on July 31, 2013, 06:08:22 pm
yes: so many people... about 1600 apparently
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: zvezda on July 31, 2013, 07:13:57 pm
I saw a woman today sitting the umat. She looked to be in her 40s? What sort of special consideration would she have had?
Or maybe i was just hallucinating from pre-exam stress
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: ignorancebliss on July 31, 2013, 07:34:53 pm
guessed 6 questions in Section 1. guessed 20 + questions overall. ran out of time for section 3. I found section 1 alright, not too hard. Easier than medentry. Section 2 was very ambiguous. Section 3 was hard for me ( never been my good section) .
Did anyone get the question in section 1 about the earth orbiting the sun for section 1? it was so hard for me for some reason even though i think it's not meant to be hard
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 07:46:17 pm
guessed 6 questions in Section 1. guessed 20 + questions overall. ran out of time for section 3. I found section 1 alright, not too hard. Easier than medentry. Section 2 was very ambiguous. Section 3 was hard for me ( never been my good section) .
Did anyone get the question in section 1 about the earth orbiting the sun for section 1? it was so hard for me for some reason even though i think it's not meant to be hard
I dont remember reading that. So could be a trial.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: daw00d1 on July 31, 2013, 08:05:40 pm
Did only practice one exam from ACER and it actually helped quite a lot (accurate in terms of style and difficulty imo). Really hard to tell how i went and ended up guessing like 10 in the end. Section 3 turned out much easier than expected however section 1 was very time consuming and ended up guessing the last few because i had wasted so much time on them in the previous ones. Overall better than expected but felt like i could have done better and now i can't get it out of my head. :-\ any suggestions on getting back the VCE mindset?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 08:23:12 pm
Did anyone get the question in section 1 about the earth orbiting the sun for section 1? it was so hard for me for some reason even though i think it's not meant to be hard
Definitely didn't have that one either - maybe it was one of the trial questions.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: datfatcat on July 31, 2013, 08:36:50 pm
Don't give up your hope just yet! You can still apply for JCU med. They don't look at your UMAT result. 8) Beside, you may actually do well in the exam. Getting a few questions wrong (or guessing a few) is normal. Remember that you do not need to get 100%tile to get into med!
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on July 31, 2013, 08:44:36 pm
UMAT is only your hurdle for one of your pathways into med. There's always other ways, such as applying to JCU or getting in a graduate course.
And yes, it's quite hard to gauge how you go in the UMAT. Cross your fingers and hope for the best when September comes!
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: lolipopper on July 31, 2013, 08:46:07 pm
ive a question.
What would you rather... 6 years at JCU or 7 years at UQ?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: ignorancebliss on July 31, 2013, 08:47:41 pm
What would you rather... 6 years at JCU or 7 years at UQ?
I would choose JCU not because of the number of years but because for UQ, you need to get an average GPA of 5.5 for the first 3 years. To be honest, GPA 5.5 is very manageable, but I tend to be on the safe side :P Beside, the first year at JCU is already medicine, whereas for UQ, you will be doing science or art.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 08:50:21 pm
I would choose JCU not because of the number of years but because for UQ, you need to get an average GPA of 5.5 for the first 3 years. To be honest, GPA 5.5 is very manageable, but I tend to be on the safe side :P Beside, the first year at JCU is already medicine, whereas for UQ, you will be doing science or art.
I really wanted to do UQ because one, my sister is over there, so she can cook my food :P. Also because it is of higher rank than JCU and also in a kindaa CBD area in Brisbane whereas JCU is in tropical rural area.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on July 31, 2013, 09:00:25 pm
Rank doesn't matter for undergraduate courses...it's usually based on research output and other factors.
I heard that the cohort for UQ MBBS is pretty boring and anti-social, according to pagingdr. That's just an opinion I read though.
As for whether I'd choose UQ or JCU, it depends on how much I'd want to do Medicine. If I was 100% sure I wanted to do Medicine then I would pick JCU. But if I wanted to explore and try out some new subjects (such as Physics or Chemistry) then I would go to UQ.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on July 31, 2013, 09:12:44 pm
I have mates at both, I'd say the social life is better for JCU.
I also had JCU in front of UQ when I got into both of them.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: zvezda on July 31, 2013, 10:14:02 pm
not all universities such as UTAS necessarily use GAMSAT and thus use UMAT.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on August 01, 2013, 06:57:48 pm
Hmmm... I'm scared now, everyone else seems more confident at school, they've discussed answers and I think I've screwed up majorly :o will have to wait until results, god this is scary.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: lolipopper on August 01, 2013, 07:13:23 pm
I want to come back to this post at the day of the results.
Yeah, totally.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: nevergiving up on August 01, 2013, 08:57:58 pm
Just wondering did anybody find section 3 of the actual UMAT so much better than medentrys? Also was it me or was section 2 really weird in comparison to medentrys.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Jeggz on August 01, 2013, 08:59:55 pm
Just wondering did anybody find section 3 of the actual UMAT so much better than medentrys? Also was it me or was section 2 really weird in comparison to medentrys.
YES! I totally agree with that!
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: lolipopper on August 01, 2013, 09:59:08 pm
Just wondering did anybody find section 3 of the actual UMAT so much better than medentrys? Also was it me or was section 2 really weird in comparison to medentrys.
yeah, Section 3 was somewhat easier. Section 2 was relatively equal in difficulty but also was very tough.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on August 02, 2013, 08:49:52 pm
Hmmm... I'm scared now, everyone else seems more confident at school, they've discussed answers and I think I've screwed up majorly :o will have to wait until results, god this is scary.
They can actually remember the questions AND the answers? Take what they say with a grain of salt and don't think any more of it. You never know how good your result will be in the UMAT!
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: asmaa.e on August 02, 2013, 10:39:16 pm
I think It was easier than I thought, with little preparation it felt like a GAT, oh well its over :D
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: ChickenCh0wM1en on August 02, 2013, 11:48:11 pm
They can actually remember the questions AND the answers? Take what they say with a grain of salt and don't think any more of it. You never know how good your result will be in the UMAT!
+1
Very true. Having done the UMAT last year and this year I know what it is like when people say stuff like "it was easy" etc. The UMAT is something that is unpredictable. I know people who thought they destroyed it, but on the contrary got destroyed by it.
Just try reshift your focus back onto VCE studies.
Good luck!
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Celestial on August 04, 2013, 08:15:12 pm
The umat was better than i thought, especially the s1 problem solving (they were really straightforward). S3 was doable with some never-seen-before tricks here and there and i ended up guessing 3. I probably got destroyed in s2 as i wasn't sure half the time. Overall, i am really happy
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on August 04, 2013, 09:21:46 pm
Question, with the UMAT to ATAR ratio, what is the likelihood of getting into MBBS Monash with a good UMAT let's say 95th percentile, and an ATAR of 97? Like where exactly does one become even more important than the other? :)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on August 04, 2013, 09:29:13 pm
Question, with the UMAT to ATAR ratio, what is the likelihood of getting into MBBS Monash with a good UMAT let's say 95th percentile, and an ATAR of 97? Like where exactly does one become even more important than the other? :)
I have 2 friends who got int with that with Bonded spots. They were both debaters and I'd assume they'd have strong interviews to go along with it.
As for the "where exactly", too hard to say and too early to say.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on August 04, 2013, 09:59:19 pm
I think you want your UMAT to be > 94th percentile and ATAR over 99 to be somewhat confident of a CSP offer - I heard the median ATAR for MBBS Monash is something like 99.30 or higher, if I recall correctly.
I have a friend who got 83rd percentile and 99.85 who got a bonded offer, I think he did have a pretty strong interview. I also know someone who got 99th percentile and maybe around 96-97 for their ATAR, and was offered a bonded spot (not sure how their interview went - I think they would've been good at the interview though).
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on August 04, 2013, 10:04:57 pm
So he got 2nd round interview for epic ATAR criteria?
Yeah.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: datfatcat on August 04, 2013, 10:49:22 pm
Just a reminder that this year there will be no 2nd round interview. Monash will look at your ATAR and UMAT before giving you an interview offer and you will have your interview in January, 2014.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Jaswinder on August 24, 2013, 08:56:42 pm
just another month and a bit till the results come out :O
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Jeggz on August 24, 2013, 09:27:20 pm
Does anyone know the exact date? :)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on August 24, 2013, 10:55:40 pm
I think it's usually a surprise :P
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Stick on August 24, 2013, 11:02:15 pm
Where do I get the results? lol so uninformed and careless about UMAT
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on August 24, 2013, 11:19:29 pm
There will be a link on the ACER website when they're out
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: lolipopper on August 25, 2013, 11:26:15 am
it usually comesout near september 18-24. So less than even a month. So scared, but so pumped.
pi, since you have past exp. do we have to keep checking the ACER site for the results date or will they email us about the results being out.
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Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: thushan on August 25, 2013, 04:40:40 pm
pi, since you have past exp. do we have to keep checking the ACER site for the results date or will they email us about the results being out.
Personally, I'd just wait until some keen-bean posts that they're out on Facebook or on here rather than checking the site myself ;)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: datfatcat on August 28, 2013, 06:25:05 pm
You should receive an email several hours after the result is released online (which is on the SAME day). So you can keep checking ACER site, your email, facebook and Atarnotes at the same time ;) Just kidding, check your email is enough.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on August 28, 2013, 07:33:39 pm
Ugh I don't even want to find out anymore :'(
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: lolipopper on August 28, 2013, 08:25:23 pm
not that im super confident or anything, but i cant wait any longer. It'll give me some sort of estimate of my chances into med. Although i doubt my ATAR will be high enuf.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on August 28, 2013, 08:39:43 pm
I'm going to be absolutely broken if I happen to do really well, but not well enough to make the cut...
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Limista on August 28, 2013, 08:52:25 pm
Does anyone know how common it is for people to get <50 for Section 2?
From 2012 graph for section 2: (http://www.medstudentsonline.com.au/attachments/f48/712d1348214021-umat-results-graphs-2007-2008-2009-2010-2011-2012-umat2.png)
*I also got below 50 for section 2 :P
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on September 11, 2013, 12:16:55 am
For 2013 entry (my year), Monash looked at the overall UMAT percentile. Even though I didn't do so well in S2, I managed to score high in S1 and S3. The 50-50-50 rule is new.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on September 11, 2013, 04:31:30 pm
I'm confused with the 50? Out of what? There was 134 questions, are they standardised for each section to be out of 80 or something????
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on September 11, 2013, 05:20:02 pm
Short answer - no one knows.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on September 11, 2013, 05:26:23 pm
Oh god :( Is this to ensure people that get high s1 and s3 don't get through with a lousy s2??? If I do well enough, this MAY suit me as I tend to do well equally over each construct, but without any results I'm going to keep silent ::) does anyone know what date results came out last year?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on September 11, 2013, 05:46:22 pm
I'm confused with the 50? Out of what? There was 134 questions, are they standardised for each section to be out of 80 or something????
It's a standardised score between 0 and ~110. The number of questions you get right in each topic correspond to a standardised score, decided by ACER depending on how difficult the set of questions were compared to previous years.
For instance, in 2011 Section 1, 44/44 = 105, 43/44 = 92, 42/44 = 82, etc.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on September 11, 2013, 06:13:37 pm
Do I want to know how you know that to such specifics (seems like a bit of hearsay of non-ACER-official info)? LOL
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on September 11, 2013, 06:36:50 pm
It's a standardised score between 0 and ~110. The number of questions you get right in each topic correspond to a standardised score, decided by ACER depending on how difficult the set of questions were compared to previous years.
For instance, in 2011 Section 1, 44/44 = 105, 43/44 = 92, 42/44 = 82, etc.
Interesting! Thanks :)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Daenerys Targaryen on September 11, 2013, 10:52:22 pm
Are our results usually released before Sep 27th?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: lolipopper on September 12, 2013, 05:03:45 pm
Do I want to know how you know that to such specifics (seems like a bit of hearsay of non-ACER-official info)? LOL
Nah, I extrapolated:
1 - ACER maintains that each question is worth the same score 2 - The idea of a UMAT score is so that say a 60 in one year is the same level of achievement as a 60 in another year 3 - I was reading this website where people posted their scores up for each section, and noticed that for S1, for instance in 2011, there were no scores between 105 and 92, and between 92 and 82, and between 82 and 77, for example.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: thushan on September 13, 2013, 09:40:21 pm
That Section 2 curve looks terrible for 2013. A 50 in S2 used to be around 60th percentile...not < 20th percentile like this year. Seems like S3 got harder and S2 got easier, in terms of content.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: duquesne9995 on September 13, 2013, 10:45:37 pm
That Section 2 curve looks terrible for 2013. A 50 in S2 used to be around 60th percentile...not < 20th percentile like this year. Seems like S3 got harder and S2 got easier, in terms of content.
Is Monash allowed to change their 50-50-50 rule especially for S2 seeing as S2 was easier this year? Do you think that they might make the cut off for S2 higher? :-\
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on September 14, 2013, 08:46:10 am
Is Monash allowed to change their 50-50-50 rule especially for S2 seeing as S2 was easier this year? Do you think that they might make the cut off for S2 higher? :-\
They "can", but I don't think they will just because it'll take a lot of admin work etc :P
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on September 15, 2013, 12:36:54 am
I've realised something today, the UMAT is a combination of luck and skill, I know people including myself who went well in preparation and didn't do too well, I also know people that did do preparation and went really well, people that did little to no preparation and did well, and people that did almost nothing and went bad. Any indications on how hard the GAMSAT is, for someone that is willing to give it their all? ;) I guess I have to tell myself I would've got lower without prep, but it feels like a massive waste of time now, hmmm.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: abeybaby on September 15, 2013, 02:40:56 am
I've realised something today, the UMAT is a combination of luck and skill, I know people including myself who went well in preparation and didn't do too well, I also know people that did do preparation and well really well, people that did little to no preparation and did well, and people that did almost nothing and went bad. Any indications on how hard the GAMSAT is, for someone that is willing to give it their all? ;) I guess I have to tell myself I would've got lower without prep, but it feels like a massive waste of time now, hmmm.
GAMSAT tests logical reasoning, problem solving and written expression. It is much more reflective of the effort that you put in/the way you think. For comparison: I did medentry, scored 68th%ile for the Umat back in 2010. I did the Gasmsat in 2012, without any commercial prep course (just the acer booklets) and scored 96th%ile. So dont be so disheartened, there is hope (and you get multiple attempts at the Gamsat)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on September 15, 2013, 10:23:32 am
GAMSAT tests logical reasoning, problem solving and written expression. It is much more reflective of the effort that you put in/the way you think. For comparison: I did medentry, scored 68th%ile for the Umat back in 2010. I did the Gasmsat in 2012, without any commercial prep course (just the acer booklets) and scored 96th%ile. So dont be so disheartened, there is hope (and you get multiple attempts at the Gamsat)
Wow, well done! I found the UMAT so be so different on the day in terms of section 1, there was no logical inferences from passages, just strange GAT style (but harder!) problems, section 2 was always my best section and turned out to be my worst, but section 3 was about the same :D So does the GAMSAT work on a similar percentile ranking to get interview offers?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on September 15, 2013, 11:02:49 am
Yes, although interview cut-offs have been increasing over the years (for Melbourne at least)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on September 15, 2013, 11:06:48 am
I've realised something today, the UMAT is a combination of luck and skill
I think people have been saying that on the forum (and elsewhere) for years haha :P
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: abeybaby on September 15, 2013, 11:35:44 am
They use the raw score out of 100 for rankings, but i just quoted percentiles so that theyre roughly conparable. Every university is different. To determine who gets interviews, some have an equal weighting of GPA/GAMSAT (like UoM), some have GPA cut offs and then GAsAT rankings (like Monash and Usyd, the GPA cut offs are usually really low, about 65%) and some have GPA cut offs, GAMSAT rankings, but no interview (UQ). Basically, if you want med, and you deserve it, you'll get it.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Russ on September 15, 2013, 11:46:45 am
Basically, if you want med, and you deserve it, you'll get it.
Not to be a wet blanket, but there are plenty of people who "deserve" a place (as measured by academic marks) that don't get a place at medical school. The post grad model does definitely address some of the weaknesses of the undergraduate intake model but I would disagree that it's perfectly meritorious for academic strengths.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: abeybaby on September 15, 2013, 12:25:30 pm
I'm not sure, I think if you deserve it, you'll get it
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: thushan on September 15, 2013, 12:31:20 pm
It's hard to believe it, until you put in the hard yards and to get a poor final result.
I empathise with you Edward...I really did put in the hard yards and was getting low 90%ile in my Medentry prep, nek minnut didn't do well on the day and got JUST below the min for UA Dent requirements 83%ile :'( it really does hurt a lot :'( it sucks how almost everything balances on ONE exam. But hey, chin up! I am going try again to get a good atar for JCU/griffith. you may not feel like trying hard for fear of encountering that bitter taste of failure again...but as the cliche from batman goes -> Why do we fall Mr Wayne? So we can learn to get back up. :) I hope that helps you and others out there who are in the same (crappy UMAT score) boat as me!
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Limista on September 15, 2013, 04:01:32 pm
^ wow that must really suck :(
Going into my spiritual mode: I think a lot of it depends on destiny. For those who weren't destined to enter medicine, dentistry, physiotherapy or pharmacy now, they were destined to enter it later; perhaps with greater maturity, understanding and rigour. Some of us were meant to push a little harder to achieve our goals. And who knows? Perhaps these people come out to be the ones leading the fuller lives?
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: DetteAmelie on September 15, 2013, 04:45:35 pm
Awwwwwwww!!!! I don't mean to interrupt but I must say you guys are really amazing! The overwhelming amount of support that everyone is giving is truly inspiring.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on September 15, 2013, 05:18:34 pm
It's hard to believe it, until you put in the hard yards and to get a poor final result.
Yes, that's the worst type of disappointment (and lots of people felt it last year at my school - including me, I got 63rd percentile which was incredibly shattering tbh).
While it seems that most of your options for undergrad are gone, try to think of it in a more positive light. It might actually be a blessing in disguise.
One, you have more options available to you - you might do a Science degree and find out you're incredibly fascinated by a passion you never knew you had. You at least have more time to tap into your other interests. You might even drop the thought of medicine entirely. Medicine is a pretty narrow degree - being a doctor is the only option you have. But there are other degrees which are a lot more flexible and really open up a whole lot of other careers to you.
Two, you have more time to mature as a person. You might have more time to think whether medicine is really the right degree for you - you might spend more time volunteering, working and developing more people skills.
All in all, while it is upsetting to receive a bad result in the UMAT, take it as a opportunity to broaden your scope - interest-wise and maturity-wise.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: Edward21 on September 15, 2013, 05:31:41 pm
Yes, that's the worst type of disappointment (and lots of people felt it last year at my school - including me, I got 63rd percentile which was incredibly shattering tbh).
While it seems that most of your options for undergrad are gone, try to think of it in a more positive light. It might actually be a blessing in disguise.
One, you have more options available to you - you might do a Science degree and find out you're incredibly fascinated by a passion you never knew you had. You at least have more time to tap into your other interests. You might even drop the thought of medicine entirely. Medicine is a pretty narrow degree - being a doctor is the only option you have. But there are other degrees which are a lot more flexible and really open up a whole lot of other careers to you.
Two, you have more time to mature as a person. You might have more time to think whether medicine is really the right degree for you - you might spend more time volunteering, working and developing more people skills.
All in all, while it is upsetting to receive a bad result in the UMAT, take it as a opportunity to broaden your scope - interest-wise and maturity-wise.
Yeah, I know that I really want it though, I did scientific research opportunities for work experience, and whilst it was interesting, I realised just how strongly I wanted to do medicine. 63rd is brutal :'(
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: teletubbies_95 on September 15, 2013, 05:54:41 pm
Okay quote from a curry movie~ Whatever happens , happens for the better! :)
I got an alright umat , I'm not putting medicine as a vtac preference. You guys might be thinking , why waste an opportunity? But that's because it isn't a passion. I can't see myself doing the course And UMAT is just a stupid test. I still don't understand why you have to do Section 3 to get into med :P And I still don't know why people like me, get alrite umat scores. I don't think it's fair.
BUT GUYS...getting into med or any course isn't everything. There are some things that are even more important ; your friends, your family and they are the one's that are going to be wit you through everything. So keep things in perspective.
and ..GO CLASS OF 2013 ....you guys are an amazing bunch of peeps ( from what ive seen on the chem 3/4 board..lol) and don't let the UMAT let everything down , because it's only one milestone of many! :) :)
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: pi on September 15, 2013, 05:57:59 pm
Keep up the optimism guys :)
Also looking at some of the scores floating around, hope to see many of you become Monash meddies next year :)
I still don't understand why you have to do Section 3 to get into med :P
I used to think that, but after doing some basic pathology and haematology having good pattern recognition skills really does help :) And I'm finding that pattern recognition really helps in making diagnoses too (not that I can diagnose many conditions!).
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: SocialRhubarb on September 15, 2013, 06:22:07 pm
I'm in a five man debating squad, four of us did UMAT, three of us got 100th percentile, fourth guy got 98th percentile.
Do debating guys.
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: PB on September 15, 2013, 08:07:29 pm
^ thats ridiculous...I envy you guys -_-
and yay! after months of scavenging for +1's so I can gain some respect (to no avail- not smart enough unfortunately :P) - I get +2 in on shot! Maybe, I should be looking at Motivational Speaker as a career path instead :P
Title: Re: UMAT 2013 discussion thread
Post by: datfatcat on September 15, 2013, 11:48:39 pm