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Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: ChickenCh0wM1en on August 25, 2013, 01:37:55 pm
Hi guys! Just wondering if someone could explain how to do this question??

Thanks!
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Hehetymen on August 25, 2013, 03:01:06 pm
Is it C?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: vox nihili on August 25, 2013, 03:26:48 pm
YES! :) how did you get it??!!
You have to knock out the first two because you never actually see P active, so there's no evidence for it being involved in that biochemical pathway.

In two, you've got MNO there. But in one it's only MO. So that suggests that the pathway is M->O->N

One: MO enzyme active, ON enzyme not functioning
Two: MO enzyme active, ON enzyme active
Three: MO enzyme not functioning, ON enzyme unknown whether it's working.


That's not a particularly good explanation, but hopefully that makes enough sense. If not, I'll give English a shot hahah
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Hehetymen on August 25, 2013, 03:56:41 pm
YES! :) how did you get it??!!

All 3 strains grow on M but not P so M is last in the pathway and P is first. 2 grows on MNO but 1 only grows on MO so it must be P > N > O > M. This means options A and B are wrong. Option D is wrong because M is last in the pathway. C is right because strain 1 can grow on O (so it can convert O to M) and M but it can't grow on N (can't convert N to O).
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on August 25, 2013, 05:28:10 pm
*facepalm* I'm having a lot of trouble with Dawn's content over lectures 6-12 or so.  Hadn't done any biology before last semester so it's all pretty new (and confusing).  That question stumped me too.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Hehetymen on August 26, 2013, 04:18:09 pm
Hey man! How did you get to the fact that P is first and M is the last in the pathway??

All of them grow on M so M is the final product. Say the PNOM pathway aims to make glucose for the cell to use and M is glucose. If you give them glucose directly, then you don't need PNO. All three strains can grow on M so M must be the final product. More specifically, strain 3 confirms this as strain 3 can only grow on M. P is first in the pathway because none of them can grow on P but strain 1 can grow on MO and strain 2 can grow on MNO. I.e. N and O must be later in the pathway. If N or O were earlier in the pathway then it wouldn't make sense. Something like N > O > P > M wouldn't make sense because if we give strain 1 P directly it can't grow yet if we give it O it can grow. O cannot be earlier in the pathway than P. Same thing for strain 2.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: vox nihili on August 26, 2013, 08:03:49 pm
Hey I somewhat see where you are coming from hahaha! When you say ON enzyme working that means compound O to N right?
But choice C says enzyme converting N to O?
I think the other explanations may be better. I haven't actually done this subject and misinterpreted the question :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: pink0829 on August 26, 2013, 09:22:02 pm
I don't think the right answer is in the choices given. None of the choices seem to fit my pathway:

S-> A-> T-> B-> R

Maybe check with Dawn. I remember having this question in our practice problems last year.

Edit: I've checked my folder and the question wasn't a multiple choice question. We had to work out the pathway and identify where each mutant was blocked. It's the exact same information though and none of my answers match the choices. There might be a mistake in the question.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Hehetymen on August 27, 2013, 01:37:47 am
Legend! Thanks so much!

I followed your logic with another problem and I cant seem to get the right answer... Do you mind checking this one for me?

All of them can grow on R so R is last. None can grow on S so S is first. 3 cannot grow on S and A so A is after S. 1 cannot grow on ATS so T is after A. So far we have S > A > T. Strains 1, 2, and 3 can all grow on B. Strain 4 can grow on R but cannot grow on B. B would have to be before R and after T (strain 1 can grow on B but not T).

S > A > T > B > R.

None of the answers seem to be correct though. A is wrong, C is wrong. B and D could both be correct IMO.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: pink0829 on September 01, 2013, 04:28:51 pm
I'll give you a couple of hints to get you started with the crosses and the genotypes. If you still have trouble working it out I can post my answer up.


It's really good that you are doing all these questions. It definitely would pay off ;)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 01, 2013, 04:37:42 pm
I'll give you a couple of hints to get you started with the crosses and the genotypes. If you still have trouble working it out I can post my answer up.

  • You would have recognised these were reciprocal crosses. So you have to determine if the trait is sex-linked.
  • For moths, butterflies, fish and birds the ZW notation is used instead of XY. For these animals, males are homozygous (ZZ) and females are heterozygous (ZW).
  • In sex-linked crosses, if the male offspring of the two crosses have different phenotypes and the female offspring have the same phenotype, the trait is X-linked. If the female offspring have different phenotype and male offspring are of the same phenotype then ZZ or ZZ notation is used- a tip if you weren't sure if you should use XY or ZW
  • Start off by drawing out the crosses:
    Cross 1:
    F silver     x      M gold
    (Imagine an arrow pointing down)
    F gold               M silver
    Cross 2:
    F gold    x    M silver
    (Imagine an arrow pointing down)
    F silver        M silver
           
    Now fill in the Genotypes underneath each phenotype and work out what colour is dominant. Hint: look at the heterozygous offspring in cross 2.

It's really good that you are doing all these questions. It definitely would pay off ;)

I was struggling over this question too but I had forgotten that moths had the different gametic composition, thanks for reminding me... makes sense now. :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: pink0829 on September 01, 2013, 06:35:25 pm
turns out I just got the chromosome system wrong! I just got the answer! :PP thanks so much again!!!!!! :DDD
I was struggling over this question too but I had forgotten that moths had the different gametic composition, thanks for reminding me... makes sense now. :)

No worries guys! Good luck with the midsem ;)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 02, 2013, 11:25:06 pm
Just realised the MST is supposed to test us on our knowledge of Pracs 1 and 2. Do the Biology staff actually put questions relating to the pracs on the Genetics MST? D:
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: vox nihili on September 02, 2013, 11:28:35 pm
Just realised the MST is supposed to test us on our knowledge of Pracs 1 and 2. Do the Biology staff actually put questions relating to the pracs on the Genetics MST? D:

We copped one on ours in Biomed.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 02, 2013, 11:59:13 pm
Just realised the MST is supposed to test us on our knowledge of Pracs 1 and 2. Do the Biology staff actually put questions relating to the pracs on the Genetics MST? D:

Sure there might be one or two.  Did you do the pracs?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 03, 2013, 12:14:40 am
Yes, but it doesn't mean I remember much about them :P
(Thanks for responding, by the way:)))
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 03, 2013, 10:25:12 am
Thoughts on today's MST:
fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Biology department
I studied all weekend but that was actually the worst thing  :'(
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 03, 2013, 12:48:03 pm
Thoughts on today's MST:
fuck youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu Biology department
I studied all weekend but that was actually the worst thing  :'(

LeviLamp, had you done the practise question set?  Was the MST harder than the practise questions?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 03, 2013, 12:49:15 pm
I only got one of the practice questions wrong; the MST was significantly harder (but not in a straightforward way , it was just shittily designed so it didn't really matter how much of the theory you knew). That said, other versions might be much better? (I had Test C)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 03, 2013, 12:52:44 pm
I only got one of the practice questions wrong; the MST was significantly harder (but not in a straightforward way , it was just shittily designed so it didn't really matter how much of the theory you knew). That said, other versions might be much better? (I had Test C)

That's depressing, I got about 5 of the practise questions wrong.  Bummer.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: simpak on September 03, 2013, 01:27:28 pm
MIIM30003 today = >:
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 03, 2013, 01:53:38 pm
simpak gosh how COULD you this thread is for BIOL10005 only
!!!
(you'll get a good mark I'm sure)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: simpak on September 03, 2013, 04:29:43 pm
Oh nah I'd already had it, it was at 9am.  I seriously suck at exams that early, no matter when I go to bed and when I get up my brain only starts becoming useful around 9:40-9:50 and by that time a midsem is pretty much over.  And nah, fucked something up lol.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: simpak on September 03, 2013, 06:42:59 pm
Nekk minute 100% mst :)

Nah definitely not I know I got stuff wrong upon reflection with my slides and a box of tissues.
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 04, 2013, 04:02:45 pm
Argh you guysssssss! Makin me freak out. Any tips for someone who still has until Friday?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 04, 2013, 05:55:02 pm
This is really pessimistic but just don't freak out too much because I promise everyone else feels the same way :)
I don't think I can give any study advice other than to say to look at the little details of the lectures and not the big concepts just in case it saves you in the MST. And don't freak out while doing the test due to time constraints - I did that and so I couldn't get my head around the last couple of questions I attempted.

Good luck :))
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: MelonBar on September 04, 2013, 08:04:35 pm
26. When carrying out a _2 analysis, the expected number of red snapdragons in the G2
 if there were 100 offspring is
A. 25
B. 50
C. 75
D. 100
27. When carrying out a _2 analysis the degrees of freedom value for the cross above is
A. 1
B. 2
C. 3
D. 4

Couple questions with the above 2...

What is a '_2' analysis?

How would I calculate the degree of freedom? i.e actually answer question 27.

Thanks
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 04, 2013, 08:23:04 pm
MelonBar...

"_2" means "Chi-squared", I think it's a formatting error in the PDF.  They probably meant to write the 'Chi' symbol and it turned it into an underscore.  We did Chi-squared tests in Prac 1, so have a look over that.

Here's a useful website: http://archive.bio.ed.ac.uk/jdeacon/statistics/tress9.html

The website explains it pretty well but the degrees of freedom is calculated by (n - 1) where n is the number of 'categories' or in our case, phenotypes red, pink, white.

You don't need to know what a chi-squared analysis is to answer Q26.  Can you answer it if you ignore the first half of the question?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: MelonBar on September 05, 2013, 10:10:30 am
Thanks for the link nicola. I understand it now !

doing the mst at 1 today lol

Gl on yours tomorrow
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 05, 2013, 02:31:07 pm
Hi genetics experts,

Here's a long one that I can't make head or tail of.  Can anyone help?

Females from a wild type pure breeding stock (Strain A) of Drosophila were crossed to homozygous males (Strain B) which were phenotypically white eyed.  The F1 progreny were all wild type.

F1 males were then test-crossed to white-eyed females (of strain B)

The results of the testcross progeny:
Males, all white eye, 2
Females, wild type, 1
Females, scarlet eye, 1

(A) What does the difference in phenotypes between males and females in the offspring of the test cross suggest?
(B) Do the results tell is that scarlet eye is an autosomal dominnat or autosomal recessive character?  Therefore the F1 male and the purebreeding white eye female much each carry at least one ______ allele, at the scarlet locus.



I just can't get clear in my head what is going on here.
What I THINK is:
- that there is a white-eye locus on the X chromosome making the trait X-linked recessive.
- that there is a scarlet locus on an autosome that is an autosomal recessive trait.

So in the first cross, where sc=mutation for scarlet, XM=mutation for white eye

purebreeding wild type FEMALE: XM+XM+; sc+sc+     x     purebreeding(?) white eyed MALE: XMY; sc+sc

F1 Progeny --> all wild type  (females XM+XM;sc+sc+ or  XM+XM;sc+sc  : males XM+Y;sc+sc+ or  XM+Y;sc+sc)


TEST CROSS:
White eye-d female: XMXM; sc+sc        x     F1 male (XM+Y;sc+sc)

I think this must be the genotypes for the crosses but I don't know how to draw a punnet square (or something) to work out how the phenotypes would eventuate?  I haven't experienced having a combination of X-linked and autosomal influenced traits so I don't know whether would generate a 4 x 4 punnet square or a 2 x 2 punnet square one for each chromosome??

Why can't the Male offspring of the test-scross be scarlet eyed??????
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on September 06, 2013, 11:38:43 am
At the risk of making my first post on ATARnotes an unpopular one (ahaha), I liked it. I found the practice test pretty challenging (made a lot of stupid mistakes) but Test H (Friday 9 AM) was more to do with memorizing obscure lecture content than analyzing crosses/pedigrees. It would be better if the test were designed around analysis instead of just rote memorization (in the workforce, obviously being able to analyze data takes priority over remembering something that can be found in the reference book a metre away from you), but seeing as the latter is my strength, I feel more confident post-test than pre-test.

That being said, any confidence can only be validated when the test results are released. :/
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 06, 2013, 12:48:16 pm
Haha thanks Ballerina, I hope you're right! I know a lot of the obscure lecture content but still suck at complicated crosses! It'll be done in 3hrs anyway.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on September 06, 2013, 01:13:22 pm
Best of luck! In case you read this before the test; knowing the visual map of DNA replication (with helicase, DNA polymerase III etc) came up, and a couple of questions similar to the 2 problem sets on LMS. The last few questions (worth 2 marks each) were hardest for me, as they involved interpreting crosses and all the answers looked correct.  Maybe it's moot as we'll have different questions regardless!
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: simpak on September 10, 2013, 04:50:10 pm
AN UPDATE: welp, as anticipated, need to up my game for mst2...lucky Paul Gleeson is lecturing atm lawl
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 10, 2013, 04:56:36 pm
Haha you probs still got >90% :-P
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: simpak on September 10, 2013, 06:03:36 pm
;_; low 90s.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 10, 2013, 08:39:43 pm
Is Paul Gleeson related/married to Dawn Gleeson? :o
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Starlight on September 10, 2013, 09:31:52 pm
Is Paul Gleeson related/married to Dawn Gleeson? :o

lol
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 17, 2013, 10:03:20 pm
As time has passed and I've been revising more I realised that I'd be a borderline 5/10. So that average doesn't surprise me considering I usually nail Biol.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: vox nihili on September 17, 2013, 10:12:30 pm
Pretty random but im Kinda worried about mst reesults considering the average is apparently 5.6/10 :/
That's brutal...
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 21, 2013, 09:14:53 pm
Hey all,

I emailed Dawn asking about the solution to Q22 of the Question Set in our Lab Workbook.  She sent me the answer but I still don't understand!!!!  Can anyone explain this, or can it not be explained any clearer than in the answer she provided?  Things I don't understand:


QUESTION:

The agouti hair pattern often seen in many wild animals is characterised by a small band of light pigment near the tip of the hair. The width of this lightly pigmented band is genetically determined. Purebreeding agouti rabbits with a wide band at the tip of the hair were crossed to purebreeding rabbits with black fur. All of the offspring of this cross had agouti fur with the narrow band at the tip of the hair. These offspring were test crossed to purebreeding black rabbits.

The offspring of the second cross produced the following results:
 
  phenotype                                     number of offspring
  black fur                                                151   
  agouti fur with the wide band                 127   
  agouti fur with the narrow band              22 


Propose a detailed genetic hypothesis to account for these results. Show clearly how you arrived at your conclusion.

ANSWER:
NB: because these rabbits are black you cannot see the band (epistasis) but it is a test cross which is always to the homozygous recessive so they must be bb nn

Cross is BbNn X bbnn
 
Looking at the results obviously the loci are not assorting independently (expect 1:1:1:1 ratio) so next simplest hypothesis is linkage. However there are only 3 phenotypes. Why? When the B allele is present it masks the effect of the band-width locus (epistasis) so the black class with 198 rabbits includes two groups; black and wide and black and narrow.
 
Looking at data, agouti with wide band is a non recombinant or parental class (high frequency and only one phenotype)
Allelic arrangement must be                   
B w                  
b W
(trans) in the heterozygous parent.
 
The proportion of recombinants   (agouti narrow)   bW/bw  is 22                                   

plus within the black fur class approximately 22 will be the other recombinant class (black, wide,  Bw/bw).

Therefore the map distance is approximately (22 + 22) / 44 X 100/300 = 14.7


Thankyou... :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: vox nihili on September 21, 2013, 10:25:11 pm
Hey all,

I emailed Dawn asking about the solution to Q22 of the Question Set in our Lab Workbook.  She sent me the answer but I still don't understand!!!!  Can anyone explain this, or can it not be explained any clearer than in the answer she provided?  Things I don't understand:
  • (Basic but I'm still confused) How does the 1:1:1:1 ratio occur in independent assortment with two gene loci.  Isn't the ratio 9:3:3:1..?
  • "Black class with 198 rabbits" ?????
  • So what is the big B allele doing and what does it represent, and what is the big N allele doing and what does it represent?

It means that the genes are affecting the other genes. So in the presence of certain alleles, a particular phenotype is blocked.

http://bio1151.nicerweb.com/Locked/media/ch14/epistasis.html


QUESTION:

The agouti hair pattern often seen in many wild animals is characterised by a small band of light pigment near the tip of the hair. The width of this lightly pigmented band is genetically determined. Purebreeding agouti rabbits with a wide band at the tip of the hair were crossed to purebreeding rabbits with black fur. All of the offspring of this cross had agouti fur with the narrow band at the tip of the hair. These offspring were test crossed to purebreeding black rabbits.

The offspring of the second cross produced the following results:
 
  phenotype                                     number of offspring
  black fur                                                151   
  agouti fur with the wide band                 127   
  agouti fur with the narrow band              22 


Propose a detailed genetic hypothesis to account for these results. Show clearly how you arrived at your conclusion.

ANSWER:
NB: because these rabbits are black you cannot see the band (epistasis) but it is a test cross which is always to the homozygous recessive so they must be bb nn

Cross is BbNn X bbnn
 
Looking at the results obviously the loci are not assorting independently (expect 1:1:1:1 ratio) so next simplest hypothesis is linkage. However there are only 3 phenotypes. Why? When the B allele is present it masks the effect of the band-width locus (epistasis) so the black class with 198 rabbits includes two groups; black and wide and black and narrow.
 
Looking at data, agouti with wide band is a non recombinant or parental class (high frequency and only one phenotype)
Allelic arrangement must be                   
B w                  
b W
(trans) in the heterozygous parent.
 
The proportion of recombinants   (agouti narrow)   bW/bw  is 22                                   

plus within the black fur class approximately 22 will be the other recombinant class (black, wide,  Bw/bw).

Therefore the map distance is approximately (22 + 22) / 44 X 100/300 = 14.7


Thankyou... :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 22, 2013, 09:39:07 pm
Results are out.
Ouch.
The highest I can see by scanning them is 9.2/10 and I can only see two people who got that.
There were heaps of people 10/10 last semester.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 22, 2013, 09:50:45 pm
I can't bear to look oh my god having heart palpitations
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 22, 2013, 09:54:49 pm
Yeah I think that ruined my chances of getting > 90% this semester.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 22, 2013, 09:55:40 pm
Hopefully the exam is easier to make up for it! Still can't bring myself to look, haha, if someone could check 638705 for me I'd be greatly appreciative.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 22, 2013, 09:57:34 pm
7.5/10, well done, a fair whack above the average (6/10)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 22, 2013, 10:07:21 pm
thank you so much <3
I CAN STILL GET A 90 FOR BIOLOGY
my pracs have been going a little better than last semester, let's hope my assignment turns out to be a good one
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 22, 2013, 10:10:23 pm
I think I'll drop about 2% on pracs.  4% on the MST, ouch.  If I do well in the assignment I have a chance for 90 but it's slim! 
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 22, 2013, 10:17:57 pm
2.5% on the MST, 2.5% on pracs (hopefully), 2.5% on the assignment? Hopefully I lose next to nothing on the assignment or the pracs :s But a 90's still possible if I lose 7.5%, I only need 95% on the exam, and I'm determined to make sure my semester result doesn't end up below 42.5/50.
Good luck with the exam for you, too :) I have a sneaking suspicion the exam might be a little easier than normal to make up for that dreadful test.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on September 23, 2013, 12:52:48 pm
Cheese and whiskers! At least I scored above average? Not that scoring above an average of 5.6 is especially to my credit. :/
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 28, 2013, 11:24:16 am
Just been doing some revision... got most of Dawn's lectures all refreshed and memorized now but omg how mental is the amount of content in her final Lecture 16.....
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 28, 2013, 12:44:48 pm
Amount of content I know on the practice exam is probably about 30%  :-[
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 28, 2013, 01:07:30 pm
the practice exam is pretty hard as well, i feel like i know nothing of protists and fungi :/

I'm not even going to look at it until I've solidly studied up to Lecture 27 or whatever we're up to.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 29, 2013, 07:48:15 am
Hey guys. Q about polygenes.

Can the term 'polygenic' only be attributed to continuous distribution of phenotypes; and the word 'multifactorial' only attributed to discreet distribution of phenotypes?  Or are they both polygenic and/or multifactorial?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 29, 2013, 09:35:34 am
Also does anyone know if we have to learn the Genetic Code table of codons/amino acids?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Starlight on September 29, 2013, 11:55:27 am
Also does anyone know if we have to learn the Genetic Code table of codons/amino acids?

Haha no way!
AUG is a good one to know though and maybe if you're keen the three stop codons
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 29, 2013, 02:48:09 pm
Haha no way!
AUG is a good one to know though and maybe if you're keen the three stop codons

Cool man, just checking.  Sweet.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Starlight on September 29, 2013, 03:04:01 pm
Cool man, just checking.  Sweet.

:)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 29, 2013, 07:03:42 pm
So I tallied up the marks from the practice exam, and it looks like Dawn's component is slightly less than 50%, and Rick and Theresa have about 25% each. Hopefully it stays that way on the real exam, but it seems like a fair division of content to me.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Starlight on September 29, 2013, 07:30:28 pm
So I tallied up the marks from the practice exam, and it looks like Dawn's component is slightly less than 50%, and Rick and Theresa have about 25% each. Hopefully it stays that way on the real exam, but it seems like a fair division of content to me.

In terms of the written "essay" component for dawn it is likely to be from the material before the mid semester test than her stuff later, it was for our exam
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 29, 2013, 07:44:18 pm
What about her dreaded case studies?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Starlight on September 29, 2013, 10:06:27 pm
What about her dreaded case studies?

I don't really remember those, can you provide an example?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on September 29, 2013, 10:26:36 pm
Cystic fibrosis, Huntington's disease and beta thalassaemia.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Starlight on September 30, 2013, 08:52:02 am
Cystic fibrosis, Huntington's disease and beta thalassaemia.

For us, no
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on September 30, 2013, 09:11:22 am
For us, no

What do you mean here El?
Confused by "for us".
Do you mean for B Sci students we don't need to know about the case studies for the exam?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Starlight on September 30, 2013, 12:26:26 pm
What do you mean here El?
Confused by "for us".
Do you mean for B Sci students we don't need to know about the case studies for the exam?

As sashimi said :)
Except it's still important to cover as much as you can even if I mention something was/wasn't on our exam.

The practice test paper was very similar to the real exam last year (esp. the zoology stuff)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: MelonBar on October 02, 2013, 09:59:58 pm
How do you guys study for content heavy subjects like BIOL10005? This is my first taste of Bio since year 11 and the last couple of Dawn Gleeson slides are... incredible.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 03, 2013, 04:13:47 am
Plow through while crying internally, basically.
Writing things down and revisiting your OWN notes helps a lot, just reading means a lot goes over the top.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 08, 2013, 12:28:08 pm
So the average mark for the assignment was apparently below a fail :/
Hooray? D:
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Belgarion on October 08, 2013, 07:24:31 pm
The demonstrators are constantly criticizing you guys during our biomed tutes, saying "don't get this wrong like the science students". I think its just appalling
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: vox nihili on October 08, 2013, 08:12:33 pm
The demonstrators are constantly criticizing you guys during our biomed tutes, saying "don't get this wrong like the science students". I think its just appalling
Happened during ours too. "Well let's hope you can do your genetics better than the science kids..."
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 08, 2013, 08:50:08 pm
11.5/20. Lost 2.5/3 for the copy+paste question (the article was fully relevant, my keywords were directly related, my authors etc. were all right and the only thing wrong was my source (which accidentally got clipped in half without me noticing), and 6/8 for the 9:6:1 question DESPITE GETTING THE CORRECT ANSWER (but I had a margin ruled full of scribbly messy working separate to the question so maybe my self-confessed neat freak demonstrator decided to try and read that too?). My friend sitting next to me did the same things and also got 11.5/20. There seems to have been a lot of variation between demonstrators; apparently Michelle Lupton was very forgiving with her marking while other demonstrators were really harsh.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 08, 2013, 09:05:19 pm
Roslyn Green. She's really nice and helpful but I suspect she took the marks of because she's really anal-retentive and pedantic (she keeps telling us this in tutes/pracs) but it doesn't justify losing  6 marks out of 8 for a correct answer (my friend who has Michelle as her tutor wrote almost the same thing and only lost one mark, for not putting down that the trait in wheat was autosomal (which was the only actual mistake I made as well)) and also doesn't explain why my friend, who had a much tidier answer, only got an extra 1/2 mark for having almost exactly the same (correct!) answer. I've heard Ian's a pretty bad demonstrator, let's hope he's a generous marker :P
And I had Trisha last semester, I feel your pain; she found the most minuscule things to penalise for that silly assignment it was ridiculous (and she does it in Flora/Fauna and Genetics too, according to people I know who have her), I thought my assignment was perfect (though it turned out spell check changed potometer to pedometer) after lots of rereading and she took marks off for using ml instead of mL (even though both are correct) and for not turning the 2 in CO2 into superscript, as well as not citing my opening sentence in the introduction.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 08, 2013, 09:43:28 pm
Got my results in the workshop, yeah :) And Ros seems to be a tighter marker than Trish, haha, going off my assignment >.>"
Good luck :) Remember, if your mark is below what you expect, other people are in the same boat or worse off (Michelle stressed that emphatically today, she sounded really sad for us  :'(). Hopefully the marks get standardised at the end.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: MelonBar on October 08, 2013, 10:14:45 pm
yeah trisha is a nice lady but fucks people over come assessment time

on the last minute of assignment submission i realised i swapped two of my answers around by accident, but because it was printed i had to scribble on unconvincing arrows with a pencil to say the answers were in each other's spot. it was a worth a try but fully expecting a classic trisha red pen circle all over the joint  and everywhere else  :'(
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: nguyenanhar on October 09, 2013, 10:41:02 pm
I got 9/10 from part A because I wrote that the dominant is wildtype, without explanation and -1 for that from Lupton.
Part B is 7/10, -1 from question 1, and -2 from question 3. P were colourless and "PURPLE", but I did my cross with RED. I could not remember how could I made this silly mistake. :(

But quite a surprise to me, as I had no background in biology, and this semester is the first one in science (I got bachelor degree in Economics, now taking prerequisites.) Biology is kind of a whole new language to me.

Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 09, 2013, 11:20:29 pm
Yeah, that's pretty good! You should be very happy, it's way above average :)
On the note of assignments, I'm noticing everybody I know who has Michelle is getting significantly better marks compared to all the people in my group with Ros, this makes about the fifth person with Michelle to get an H1 and everyone I know from my prac group has gotten a P...
Sent Ros a polite email asking when I can go and talk to her about my mark, hopefully she actually responds :SSS
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on October 11, 2013, 12:34:32 pm
Only 1 person on my table passed. I asked Michelle if it would be standardized and she did not indicate it would. She emphasized most marks were lost regarding the genetic hypothesis. I agree we all should have understood the genetic hypothesis - it was in an early experiment - but the assignment marking was absofruitly ridonkulonk.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: fortweney on October 11, 2013, 02:07:23 pm
what ridiculous marking.

I only receive A: 9/10 B: 10/10. Very harsh marker, lost mark for explanation not long enough/explained??...what a joke! - marking loss for writing skill instead of biological knowledge, so dumb.. :(
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 11, 2013, 02:37:47 pm
Pretty sure fortweney above is just trolling.
I got 8.5/10 and 7/10 and probably deserved most of those marks I lost for not being explicit enough.
I didn't have a problem with the marking.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 11, 2013, 08:25:26 pm
Who's your tutor? I'm starting to notice patterns here :s
(But congrats on doing so well compared to the average :) )
Let's hope the exam is disproportionately easy :3
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 12, 2013, 09:35:43 am
My tutor is Michelle which supports your hypothesis :P
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on October 14, 2013, 09:16:00 am
My assessor, where only 1 person on my table passed, was Roz.  :D ;D ;)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 14, 2013, 03:13:57 pm
Sensing a pattern here :V
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: nguyenanhar on October 15, 2013, 08:31:40 pm
I couldn't sense the overall feelings of people in workshop on that day; but it seems a weird quiescence reigning.
It was a surprise to me because I performed so poorly during Pracs (like 8 8 5.5 9) and I hope that I can make the fifth better; the midterm is just 7.1 although I had been studying many hours before. I am aiming for a H1, but things are getting so hard now. I spend whole weekends rereading lectures/tutes/workshops but hardly get a sense of what is going on. My girlfriend was sick on the due day of ILT 4, and unfortunately I forgot to submit, so a loss of 1% taken into account.

Now reviewing time is really daunting.

I don't know whether you enjoy this subject or not, but to me it's like a constant cycle of marathon and sprint and marathon and sprint and marathon...

 :(
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on October 16, 2013, 11:40:35 am
I've been making exam revision powerpoint games on the content of Genetics and the Evolution of Life for my friend. They're below in case anyone wants a brain break for their exam revision. If you spot any Q&A mistakes, IT WAS INTENTIONAL I WAS TESTING YOU WELL DONE <.<
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 21, 2013, 05:32:09 pm
Watching Rick's lectures at 1.5x speed is the best thing thats ever happened in my uni career.  Usually he speaks slowly but very enthusiastically, but you speed it to 1.5x and he's like an excitable child.  I'M SO EXCITED ABOUT PROTISTS NOW.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: MelonBar on October 29, 2013, 01:36:47 pm
From Rick's email:

What is unusual about the two different protistan pirates, the “cryptomonad flagellates” and “chloroarachniophytes”, and what have they taught us about secondary endosymbiosis?  (hint, what is a nucleomorph?)

could someone point me in the right direction?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 29, 2013, 01:41:58 pm
Googling 'nucleomorph' should set you in the right direction.

The questions is a little badly worded, it kind of implies that there is a difference between the two protistan pirates he refers to, but actually they both have the same characteristic that he's addressing (a nucleomorph). A neucleomorph is a remnant nucleus from the eukaryote that the host consumed during secondary endosymbiosis; it still contains some genetic information, and therefore protists with a nucleomorph have 4 genomes (from the mitochondria, chloroplast, nucleus, & nucleomorph) instead of just 3 genomes.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 31, 2013, 04:50:58 pm
Hey guys
Can anyone help with clarifying some of the questions in the sample exam?

Apicomplexans have the following organelles:
a) plastid, nucleomorph, endoplasmic reticulum, nucleus
b) endoplasmic reticulum, mitochondria, apical complex, nucleus
c) plastid, nucleomorph, endoplasmic reticulum, apical complex
d) micronucleus, macronucleus, plastid, endoplasmic reticulum

I think it's b)?  They don't have a nucleomorph or a micro/narco nucleus combo, so.....

Flowering plants have all of the features in which list?
a) heterospory, tracheids, companion cells, fruit, stamens
b) vessels, bisexual gametophytes, ovules, stigmas, vascular cambium
c) cones, ovules, anthers, companion cells, vessels
d) stamens, archegonia, ovules, carpels, companion cells

Again I think it's b)?  Archegonia are only in... um, mosses I think.... tracheids only in ferns... cones only in conifers.... leaves b)....

The following is the correct order of stages in the life cycle of a hydra.
a) zygote, free-swimming larva, polyp, medusa
b) zygote, medusa, free-swimming larva, polyp
c) zygote, free-swimming larva, medusa, polyp
d) zygote, polyp, free-swimming larva, medusa

Pretty sure it's either a) or c) but to me neither make sense because I thought hydra never assumed the medusa body shape, always the polyp for their entire lives?  I mean if I had to guess i'd guess A but yeah I thought hydra never had the medusa form at all.....

And a few more....

Protistan group with intracellular parasites is called........... ??
A group of protistan absorbers and recyclers common in forests are...... Oomycetes????

Otherwise found the sample exam to be pretty OK, although I have only properly revised up to Lecture 27 (even then, still got lots of gaps!), so I didn't worry too much about the questions relating to the last 9 lectures yet.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 31, 2013, 05:46:27 pm
Wow, I wasn't expecting the sample exam to be like that! The questions seem different to what we learnt? D:

B is definitely correct for the first one. I'm pretty sure that A is correct for flowering plants.
Lifecycle of hydra no idea,,,, if i had to guess it would be D, but no idea why...

Intracellular parsites? O_O ciliates? apicomplexa? plasmodium? LOL dunno
Protistan absorbers/recyclers found in forests --> Slime moulds- Ameoboid PRotists -->Ditcyostelids?

Don;t take my word for it though man! I hate this part of the course and I hate the animal kingdom content >_>

Nah the content is pretty in line with what we've learned, just quite detailed, especially Rick's stuff.  I get pretty confused with all the names of the types of protists and what their features are. 

I did a better Google of the Hydra life cycle and it turns out it does produce a little medusa form does eventuate at the end of the life cycle/start of a new cycle.... so the answer would be A there.

So many words to learn this semester, I am into cell biology so this plants and animals thing is kind of tedious but anyway, has to be done!
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 31, 2013, 06:17:01 pm
omg Rick's questions look horrible ;A;
I haven't looked at the practice exam yet so that was a rude shock
granted, I haven't revised any of Rick's content yet (planning to blitz his eight lectures tomorrow) but that is a bit nastier than I expected going off his super-simple questions last semester :(
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 31, 2013, 06:26:19 pm
omg Rick's questions look horrible ;A;
I haven't looked at the practice exam yet so that was a rude shock
granted, I haven't revised any of Rick's content yet (planning to blitz his eight lectures tomorrow) but that is a bit nastier than I expected going off his super-simple questions last semester :(

At least he's quite predictable and has written us a seriously comprehensive email about what we need to know.  It's easy to know what he loves.
Jeeeeeeebus, 8 lectures in a day, I struggle to get through 2 in a day (plus answering relevant questions, notes, relevant worksheets etc)... but then again I only give 4 hours per subject per day.  I also kind of suck at Biology study.... haven't quite figured out how to do the rote learning subjects yet.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 31, 2013, 06:41:27 pm
Here's another that always confuses the crap out of me.

I know that during replication, DNA polymerase reads the non-coding strand 3'-->5' (so it writes 5' --> 3'), but IS THIS THE SAME FOR RNA POLYMERASE?  I just want to check but I get so fricking confused with the coding/non-coding/template strand lingo....

eg if an RNA primer was added to a length of DNA, it would start writing with its 5' end (reading the 3' end of the DNA)?  Right?  Same as DNA replication?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 31, 2013, 06:56:12 pm
4 hours per subject per day, wow.
I admire your study consistency.
Re. your question, I believe so, and my notes (taken down from the lecture recording) seem to agree as well. The polymerase binds to the promoter region upstream of the gene coding region and then after some fiddling with that weird initiation complex (tell me there aren't any exam questions on that thing :s) it moves 3' - 5' and adds complementary bases until it reaches the hairpin loop of self-bindable repeats where the enzyme and mRNA seem to magically fall off the strand. So it seems fairly similar to how you'd think of plain old DNA replication only with some different structures involved and no lagging strand issues.
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 31, 2013, 06:58:28 pm
Ah goddamnit I had forgotten about that stuff Dawn covered; argh, at least there's still a good lot of days before the exam.

And btw that's 4 hours per subject just for whichever two exams are next, plus a little bit for the other two just to keep it in my mind.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 31, 2013, 07:05:07 pm
That's a pretty sensible strategy :/
I need to stop getting sidetracked by the Internet and turn it off when I'm using online resources  ::)
Tomorrow is about twelve hours of listening to Rick's voice + German vocabulary, that's going to be fun  :'(
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 31, 2013, 07:09:38 pm
Hah damn dude.  Thought I find listening to Rick pretty hilarious.

Hey by the way, just a heads up since you said you haven't looked at the practise exam, there are a whopping 25(!!!) sample questions for Part D and I totally reckon at least 2 out of 4 of the ones on our exam will be the same or similar, make sure you allow enough time to go through all 25!
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 31, 2013, 07:21:22 pm
Do we have answers for all of them?
But I'm definitely going to go through them all now you've mentioned that, as I understand the genetics department loves recycling questions in future years so chances are Dawn might do just that, I'm not too worried about Rick and Theresa's since once I actually revise their content it's rote-learn-y and I should be able to vomit back onto the page.
Thanks :D THERE IS STILL HOPE
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on October 31, 2013, 07:25:51 pm
Do we have answers for all of them?

We have no answers but with the combination of lecture notes + google you can generally know if you're correct or not, with the exception of genetic hypothesis stuff, but Dawn is pretty good at releasing answers to that stuff so she might have (I haven't looked).
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on October 31, 2013, 07:47:24 pm
oh my god with this revelation + my assignment getting an upmarking (probably, the tutor has to consult other staff first) I might be able to scrape the 90 barrier after all
god bless prac marks being worth so much
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 01, 2013, 12:44:05 pm
I'll answer any questions verbosely in an effort to remember and revise. THROW ME QUESTIONS! And if anyone has any questions for the tutors between now and 4 PM, I can ask them as I'm studying right next to Michelle's office...being within a 3 meter radius to Michelle makes me feel warm and fuzzy. n_n

Apicomplexans have the following organelles:


b) endoplasmic reticulum, mitochondria, apical complex, nucleus
(http://www.nature.com/scitable/content/ne0000/ne0000/ne0000/ne0000/14465688/f6_baum_nrmicro1465-f1.jpg)

Flowering plants have all of the features in which list?
a) heterospory, tracheids, companion cells, fruit, stamens

Heterospory means 2 different sexes among its spores, tracheids are crucial for water circulation to the higher regions, companion cells allow the functioning of phloem (which carries nutrients etc), fruit is used for pollen dispersal and the stamen are the gentleman parts of the flower.

The following is the correct order of stages in the life cycle of a hydra.

a) zygote, free-swimming larva, polyp, medusa

It seems surprising to me that medusa is the final form. I think it's as Theresa tends to show up hydrazoa in the polyp form, to make it look more distinct from jellyfish in their medusa form.

(http://palaeos.com/metazoa/cnidaria/images/obelia_cycle.gif)


Protistan group with intracellular parasites is called........... ??


Apicomplexans. Rick was enthusiastic about the parasitic properties of these as some apicomplexans cause malaria.


A group of protistan absorbers and recyclers common in forests are....


The slime moulds and the oomycetes (water moulds) both seem like good estimates. I lean toward slime moulds, as they are prolific in living off dead organic matter like leaves, rotting logs. Oomycetes remind me of places like...my bathroom.


I know that during replication, DNA polymerase reads the non-coding strand 3'-->5' (so it writes 5' --> 3'), but IS THIS THE SAME FOR RNA POLYMERASE?  I just want to check but I get so fricking confused with the coding/non-coding/template strand lingo....

eg if an RNA primer was added to a length of DNA, it would start writing with its 5' end (reading the 3' end of the DNA)?  Right?  Same as DNA replication?

You're correct. I hate molecular biology, ahh

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Biology-664/2009/1/RNA-polymerase-promoter-sequence.htm

"What must be understood is that the READING occurs in the 3' to 5' direction because that is the direction the RNA Polymerase moves down along the DNA strand.  What is actually being produced by the RNA Polymerase as it moves along is identical to the opposite strand of DNA (the complimentary strand).  The RNA that is produced is naturally in the 5' to 3' direction as it comes out."
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 01, 2013, 12:54:34 pm
Cheers Ballerina, you're all over it.  I'm trying to keep the balance between Calculus and Biology at the moment, not sure if I'm winning.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 01, 2013, 01:02:00 pm
Haha at least you have equilibrium! I'm boned for my Chemistry 2 exam. I was sitting in the first row of the chem revision lecture yesterday, nodding my head thoughtfully and not understanding any of the noises the lecturers were making.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 01, 2013, 01:14:30 pm
I hear Chem 2 is pretty hard... it's a next year thing for me. :-/
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 01, 2013, 01:21:10 pm
You'll do great if you revise consistently throughout the semester. Everyone kept advising me to do so, and not doing so is where many (I) go wrong.   >:( For revision I'd highly recommend chemCAL and the learning lab. Penny Commons is an angel.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 02, 2013, 04:08:25 pm
Hey LeviLamp, I misled you a bit, there are answers to the sample exam on the link on the LMS.

So, I'm a bit irritated, but maybe it's just me.  One of the practise Section D questions reads:

Chromosomes in eukaryotes re composed of protein and DNA.  Describe what happens to the DNA molecule in a chromosome from the end of one mitotic division of the cell cycle through to the end of the next mitosis.

In my answer I spoke a lot about the relevant proteins and when the DNA is in chromatin form or chromatid/chromosome form, how it wraps around the histones, when it is double stranded and when it is single stranded.
In the provided answer, like 8/10 marks were towards describing the process of DNA replication.
To me, the question doesn't really ask about how DNA replication occurs.  It asks about chromosomes and proteins in the cell cycle. 
I'm annoyed, because if I had got this question in an exam, I would have got like 2/10 but I answered it really comprehensively.
And I could have easily written all about DNA replication, but the question doesn't really ask for it.
Jesus, do we just have to write like EVERYTHING RELEVANT in order to guarantee we don't get boned by a badly worded question???
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 02, 2013, 04:51:49 pm
To me it looks like it's asking for what happens to an individual DNA molecule within a cell cycle, but I'm still sort of unsure on how exactly to answer the question.
I thought it wanted us to mention the processes of transcription and translation and methylation/acetylation in gene expression while the DNA is 'active' and then talk about DNA replication during the S phase, but then I looked at the answer and it includes a comprehensive description of what a chromosome is, the structure of a chromosome (eight histone-unit nucleosomes with a linker protein connecting the coiled DNA to each nucleosome), the number of copies/strands at the start and at S phase and then goes into great detail about all the features of DNA replication, and mentions that we should indicate when the DNA becomes single-stranded again.
It seems kind of unfair, since the marking scheme is specific but the question is strange and not particularly closed-ended in how you interpret it :I


Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 02, 2013, 04:53:26 pm
Yeah that was my issue too. They would get a massive range if answers to that. I hope they're a bit more specific in the exam.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 03, 2013, 12:42:51 am
Listen to Dawn Gleeson's voice at 150% speed. Be blown away by how different it sounds. Do it.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Belgarion on November 03, 2013, 08:35:15 am
Listen to Dawn Gleeson's voice at 150% speed. Be blown away by how different it sounds. Do it.

Lol i re listen to her lectures at twice the speed and i love it. Makes her sound so slow in the mornings during lectures though...
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 03, 2013, 10:15:47 am
Therese sounds hilarious at 2x speed
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 03, 2013, 03:13:49 pm
Eight lectures still to go and I have 153 pages of dense hand-written notes already. 120 pages of Dawn Gleeson. NEVER AGAIN.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 03, 2013, 03:29:33 pm
As someone new to studying this year (school was forever ago), especially rote learning subjects like Biology, I'm interested in study techniques.
You guys seem to do a hell of a lot of note-taking by hand, I do very little of that...... I'm not sure what the best way is.
I try to explain concepts out loud to myself, write answers to as many short essay questions as possible, watch and re-watch lectures, read over notes (but only the notes that I took upon watching the lecture the first time, I don't like re-compile them or anything).  I draw a lot of diagrams if required (not so much this semester but last semester for the Calvin Cycle and stuff) but honestly I don't write a crazy amount. 
I suppose maybe I type a lot (I make a glossary and stuff, but I don't use it that often)... hmmmm!!!!!
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 03, 2013, 05:05:45 pm
The technique I've used throughout the semester has been to attend lectures and type down things as the lecturer talks - this doesn't help me consciously retain anything but I find concepts far quicker to recall (ones I didn't know I knew) later on. I've been listening to the lectures and writing down basically everything relevant. I personally find that writing, even though it's a struggle to get done, helps maintain the short-term memory connections and I find myself coming up with answers I didn't even know I knew the answer to when I take the tests. I tend to just read the essay question answers to get an idea of the content since answering them is time-consuming and makes me scared of the exam :P

tl;dr listen to lectures (if available, otherwise textbook) and take notes down (I gave up on the extra questions for bio since I ran out of time, but I do all the textbook questions for things like chem)

Then, when you go over your hand-written notes visually the facts start getting stuck in your head a bit better because you were the one who wrote it down - I don't find reading directly off slides helps anything much.

All that said, I seem to be fairly good at cramming in the face of adversity and everyone's different - writing heaps is just what works for me as far as recall goes. And that way I have a permanent record of the sweat and tears I put into this subject and if I ever need the content again it's in one tangible place.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 05, 2013, 12:56:38 pm
Can anyone tell me what answer they get for practise exam Question 4 Section C, blank space D??
I got answer #26. (0.36) but the answers say it's #24. (0.43)...
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 06, 2013, 12:54:47 pm
Ugh, due to forgetting to do TWO post-prac tests and not doing amazingly on the MST, I now need like 85-90% on the exam to get a H1.  Siiiiiiigh.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 06, 2013, 06:08:09 pm
hobbitle, you need to do the proportion, not use the entire sample of attached/unattached - divide by 0.84 instead of 1 :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 06, 2013, 06:30:20 pm
I am so curious as to what Levi and Nicola look like in real life. If you see me at REB on Friday, come say hi!! I'll be in a red shirt/lipstick, black skirt/stockings/hair and likely standing next to a tall man in plaid. I may or may not be holding 500 flashcards.
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 06, 2013, 06:40:47 pm
Haha. Well. I look older than the rest of you by about a decade so that should narrow things down!
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 06, 2013, 06:50:23 pm
Nope! That describes half my friends.
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 06, 2013, 07:12:45 pm
Really? Interesting! I tend to get along well with the students of school leaver age but sometimes wish there were some older people who have been as indecisive about their studies as I have :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: MelonBar on November 06, 2013, 10:58:57 pm
What's so special about the Wollemi Pine? Is it evidence for continental drift?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 06, 2013, 11:44:23 pm
Demonstrates Gondwanan past of Australia, former conifer dominance (matches to fossils found from millions of years ago) etc. etc.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: simpak on November 07, 2013, 01:30:41 am
I am so curious as to what Levi and Nicola look like in real life. If you see me at REB on Friday, come say hi!! I'll be in a red shirt/lipstick, black skirt/stockings/hair and likely standing next to a tall man in plaid. I may or may not be holding 500 flashcards.

+5000 respect for planning exam outfits in advance.
We would be great friends.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 07, 2013, 08:19:14 am
hobbitle, you need to do the proportion, not use the entire sample of attached/unattached - divide by 0.84 instead of 1 :)

Thankyou!

Also, a little nitpicky thing, Question 2 Section C of sample exam....  how shit is that drawing???
Does anyone know how to tell the difference between the first antennae and the second antennae, especially on a sketch that crappy?
Apparently A is 'second antennae' but I can't see any first antennae on the drawing.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 07, 2013, 11:49:38 am
I'm going to assume we aren't expected to learn the 5 latin names for the subphyla of the Echinoderms since Theresa couldn't even pronounce them in the lecture.... right guys?  Right???? 

OK, I can't do it anymore.  Need to work on another subject for a while.  Then 3 or so more hours tonight on Hominid/Great Ape stuff and then I think that's just about all the Biology I can fit in my brain.

Good luck friends. :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 07, 2013, 02:26:05 pm
I reckon remembering Asteroidea is a good idea (starfish), but I doubt she'd ask about the others (maybe sea cucumbers, Holothuroidea?). The others she didn't mention at all, though there was that question about the tube feet of crinoids on the practice exam >___>
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 07, 2013, 03:00:03 pm
Did you answer the question about determiniing the sex of an animal?

Way back in Lecture 6...!
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 07, 2013, 04:44:49 pm
Yeah it is believed that the archaea are more similar to eukaryotes in many ways especially at the DNA level. They LOOK like bacteria but act more like eukaryotes at the molecular level.
Cyanobacteria didn't give rise to eukaryotes, neither did the purple bacteria (which were engulfed by eukaryotes before the Cyanobacteria were) - they just gave rise to chloroplasts in eukaryotes.
But the whole thing is pretty grey even amongst experts!
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 07, 2013, 05:21:12 pm
I found the sample paper pretty OK once I had revised all the material (first time I looked at it was a bit terrifying!).

Both the crustacean drawing and the timeline diagram (with the extinctions and stuff) were really crappily drawn and unclear. I hope they life their game for the diagrams on the actual exam.

Definitely harder this semester than last but we'll see how the exam is...
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 07, 2013, 05:29:52 pm
Was it Section D? I haven't done those, since I still have four Theresa lectures to get through and then a brief skim of my ~200 pages of notes to do before the exam ;A;
If it wasn't then I've totally forgotten about it, Sashimi :(
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 07, 2013, 09:18:23 pm
Srsly guys.  Lecture 16.  We've had like, no practise questions or workbook questions from it.  Not even any MC.  Was it JUST FOR FUN???  Not possible.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 07, 2013, 09:26:29 pm
don't scare me now I haven't memorised the nitty-gritty of those case studies ;----;
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 07, 2013, 09:30:45 pm
I haven't memorised basically anything from lecture 16. But I've got all the others covered I think. Lacking some detail (dates mostly) of the hominid species.... CBf...
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Post by: scribble on November 07, 2013, 09:33:26 pm
oh my gosh im in hysterics over tomorrow guys D': i dont even *recognise* the names of any of the homonids :'D debating whther or not sleep is a good idea tonight;;
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Post by: MelonBar on November 07, 2013, 09:53:34 pm
oh my gosh im in hysterics over tomorrow guys D': i dont even *recognise* the names of any of the homonids :'D debating whther or not sleep is a good idea tonight;;

there's a nice table summarising the hominids and their features on the last slide of that lecture. honestly shouldn't take you too long
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 07, 2013, 10:11:31 pm
Hehehe, I'm doing that lecture (and the two following to finish up) right now, what is it with us people and our absolutely-last-minute hominid revision?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: scribble on November 07, 2013, 10:28:33 pm
haha except that i dont actually know any of theresa/ricks plants stuff yet........

i just did section A of the sample exam and got pretty much ALL of theresas stuff wrong;;;;;;; eheheh it'll be a fun night
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 07, 2013, 11:03:20 pm
Hoping for 4 and a half hours - if I wake up at 7:30 I have time to get ready to go, eat quickly and walk to the exam (I live one block away from the Carlton Gardens, ehehehehe). I should finish the lectures at about 1:30 and then I guess I'll spend an hour skimming over all my written stuff?
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Post by: scribble on November 07, 2013, 11:12:35 pm
haha im hoping for 3. figure ill sleep at 5, wake at 8, shower, get coffee and then try not to fall asleep in reb <3
though at this rate i'll very likely be pulling an all nighter.
just got 0/4 for theresas fill in the blanks question. :'D
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: MelonBar on November 07, 2013, 11:26:18 pm
Sif people can actually function with 3 4 hours sleep.

and i still have prac stuff to go through. F#$% !
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: scribble on November 07, 2013, 11:35:53 pm
haha i doubt ill be able to function properly. im just hoping it wont be an insanely long exam so my brain can be sluggish and ill still finish :'D
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Post by: meowww on November 07, 2013, 11:47:57 pm
awww guys, don't overwork yourselves too much D:
Good luck for tomorrow everyone :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 08, 2013, 02:01:57 am
Final lecture = maximum struggle.
SO CLOSE TO THE END AND YET SO, SO FAR
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: scribble on November 08, 2013, 02:26:33 am
haha oh man im so jealous i still have 10 lectures to go. sleep is looking unlikely Q
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: simpak on November 08, 2013, 04:46:10 am
Good luck guys :)
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 08, 2013, 05:58:57 am
All the best you guys. I woke up excited that it'll be over in 6 hours! Thanks for all your help this semester.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 08, 2013, 12:26:27 pm
How was it?
I thought it was harder than expected, but Theresa and Rick's stuff was fine (except for two of the labels of the squid that looked exactly the same) and Dawn's was mostly logic. Finished 10 seconds before the end, though :s
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 08, 2013, 12:38:08 pm
Could have been SO much worse. I did very little of early Genetics revision since the MST which meant I fucked up some of Dawns 2-point MC but otherwise pretty much nailed it I think. Awesome that you felt good about it too. Oh I also didn't answer the parasite-co evolution question very well but cest la vie.
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 08, 2013, 12:47:44 pm
Totally grateful for there being VERY FEW prac related questions. Except I totally fucked up that plasmid MC question. Really should have clarified what the fuck was going on in that prac
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 08, 2013, 01:01:52 pm
Not bad! The only confusing questions were genetics-related, but those questions were very well set out; I'm just lacking when it comes to genetics. The only genetics I understand is that mankind's gene pool needs a lifeguard...

And I tried guessing some of your faces at the exam. Were you wearing black sunglasses, jeans, maybe a hoodie, and have sandy hair, Nicola?

+5000 respect for planning exam outfits in advance.
We would be great friends.

I threw you a curve ball and wore brown stockings instead of black ;c The hand of fate is fickle,  I'm so sorry!!1!


Edit: Also, I only just found out that magnificent weirdo Rick Weatherbee is a marine biologist n_n This is my understanding of his life now n_n
(http://24.media.tumblr.com/b929e13172d676b80c57e70e5c22c308/tumblr_mkb1r6XiNA1qj26eao1_500.jpg)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: simpak on November 08, 2013, 01:07:58 pm
I threw you a curve ball and wore brown stockings instead of black ;c The hand of fate is fickle,  I'm so sorry!!1!

It's okay I forgive you.
I've given up on life I can no longer plan my study schedule let alone my outfits.
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 08, 2013, 01:33:42 pm

And I tried guessing some of your faces at the exam. Were you wearing black sunglasses, jeans, maybe a hoodie, and have sandy hair, Nicola?

I threw you a curve ball and wore brown stockings instead of black ;c The hand of fate is fickle,  I'm so sorry!!1!

Haha didn't you know that about Rick? It's why he's so obsessed with Protists.
Nah that wasn't me, I was seat 1519 near the toilets, I looked out for red shirt black tights but didn't take note of any brown tights :-P hehe
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 08, 2013, 01:45:33 pm
Haha didn't you know that about Rick? It's why he's so obsessed with Protists.
Nah that wasn't me, I was seat 1519 near the toilets, I looked out for red shirt black tights but didn't take note of any brown tights :-P hehe

I just want to put him in a big box with a ribbon atop and put him under my Christmas tree, he's adorable

Plot twist, I ran out of clean laundry  :'( Ohh, my stockings are dark enough to perhaps pass for black but I was seat 2954, rofl. Damn.
I am still on campus at Redmond Barry, studying for my breadth exam. I must be insane
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 08, 2013, 01:48:45 pm
Haha I'm studying for Linear Algebra so we're both insane :-) Haha we were totally opposite ends of the building!
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Post by: scribble on November 08, 2013, 06:06:00 pm
Oh man I just had the nicest time catching up on sleep after that exam. Now time for food!!
and I'm pretty sure in the 6 hours between the exam and now, I've already forgotten everything I crammed last night. :'D
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 08, 2013, 06:24:50 pm
Which subjects are you all doing next year? I swear I will find one of you eventually!
Science-wise I'm doing Aus Wildlife Bio, Cell Bio, Animal S&F (sem 1), Plant Biodiversity, Biochem, Comp Animal Physio and Ecology (sem 2) if anyone actually wants to hunt me down (unlikely, I know).
(I am going to miss chem since I'm not doing it again until 3rd/4th year ;___;)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 08, 2013, 06:30:12 pm
Woah what's your major going to be Levi?
I'm doing :

Fundamentals of Chemistry
Engineering Computation
Human Physiology
Principles of Human Structure
Chemistry 2 (hopefully)
Engineering Mathematics
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 08, 2013, 06:38:57 pm
Human Physiology
Science and Pseudoscience (amazing breadth)
Biological Psychology
Principles of Human Structure

...Guess who will be copying off Nicola in the exams!

I haven't finalized the subjects but when I do, I'm begging everyone for notes to these subjects so I can be prepared next year.
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Post by: Panicmode on November 08, 2013, 07:02:38 pm
Human structure and function
Microbiology and Immunology
human Physiology
Genetics maybe?
Biochemistry and molecular biology
Maybe path? Or fundamentals of cell bio!

Isn't HSF a biomed only subject?

If so you're gonna be doing MCB as well in first sem.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: scribble on November 08, 2013, 07:23:10 pm
Woop woop ill be doing biochem and eng math + comp as well. ^^ though chances at ill take eng math over summer cause a matchless semester during the year will actually make my life.

Looking forward to learning all those steps of glycolysis yo'
(But not really. It'll make me want to neck myself)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 08, 2013, 07:30:11 pm
@Ballerina: My friend said she found Science and Pseudoscience to be a really wanky breadth with super-biased lecturers :s
@Nicola: Zoology (and German via the DipLang)! (Though the subject choice I have planned also qualifies me for the Ecology & Evolutionary Biology major). So hard to pick majors though, I feel like I'm going to end up taking 20+ Grad Dips of Science ;s
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Ballerina on November 09, 2013, 11:28:26 am
Aren't all breadth subjects wanky? Were the lecturers biased towards or against astrology/acupuncture/voodoo?
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 09, 2013, 11:54:02 am
Woop woop ill be doing biochem and eng math + comp as well. ^^ though chances at ill take eng math over summer cause a matchless semester during the year will actually make my life.

What Eng major are you doing scribble?
I hear Eng Comp is way better in Semester 1 and is taught by the guy who wrote the textbook so I've made sure I'm taking it in Semester 1.
I have had my ridiculous maths semester (this semester) so I don't care about only taking Eng Maths next year.  Never again will I take 2.5 maths subjects in one semester though *explode*
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Post by: scribble on November 09, 2013, 09:54:44 pm
bioeng 8'D

2.5? O_O did you take am2 and linalg or something? oh gosh you poor soul
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 09, 2013, 10:22:20 pm
This semester I took Calc 2, Lin Alg and ESD2 (counts as 0.5 maths, flapping mechanics...) yeah it has been rough!

PS see you in 3rd year Bioeng :)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: LeviLamp on November 09, 2013, 10:32:18 pm
I'm going to have nobody on AN who shares subjects at this rate ;________;
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: scribble on November 09, 2013, 10:50:18 pm
HAHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN I CAN ABSOLUTELY NOT BRING MYSELF TO START STUDYING FOR ESD. I've literally done everything i can think of to procrastinate, including catching up on sleep, painting my nails, cleaning the horror that is a sharehouse kitchen, updating to windows 8.1 and ios7 (im really slow kay), looking at the vcaa exam papers for every subject i tutor, sending a bajillion and one snapchats, cooking dinner for the first time in a month, browsing domain for a new apartment and playing waaaaayy too much tetris
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 09, 2013, 10:54:32 pm

HAHAHAHAHAHA OH MAN I CAN ABSOLUTELY NOT BRING MYSELF TO START STUDYING FOR ESD.

Haha hilarious post.
I hear you dude! I am SO GRATEFUL I did like all the assignments for Dig Sys and Programming so I am all over that content.
But I still literally can't even begin to solve a particles flight in 2D or analyze a truss structure. Soooo screwed for mechanics it's not even funny. I only figured out how to calculate a resultant force yesterday.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: scribble on November 09, 2013, 10:59:42 pm
wuuuuuuuuuuut mechanics is my favourite module.
programming on the other hand makes me want to stab myself in both eyes and then bleed to death over my laptop keyboard.
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Post by: Dismounted on November 09, 2013, 11:00:55 pm
Ugh. ESD. The worst is going to have write code in handwriting. No massive red MATLAB errors. :(

(Hi guys, BTW! A bit new around these parts... :P)
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 09, 2013, 11:04:32 pm

wuuuuuuuuuuut mechanics is my favourite module.

Yeah I'm like the only person who loves programming. The lecturer sucked though. But I hated Andrews lectures and whilst I went to most of them I was so distracted by his crap teaching that I didn't learn much. Incompatible w my learning style. I had no physics background either. Clearly I'm not going into biomechanics :-D
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 09, 2013, 11:05:54 pm

(Hi guys, BTW! A bit new around these parts... :P)

Hi and welcome!  Another ESDer! I actually mostly liked it and am soooo glad I didn't take ESD1. I hear it blew.
The biology thread has turned into an Eng thread but at least Biol10005 is over now so hopefully mods won't mind.
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Post by: Dismounted on November 09, 2013, 11:10:09 pm
Hi and welcome!  Another ESDer! I actually mostly liked it and am soooo glad I didn't take ESD1. I hear it blew.
The biology thread has turned into an Eng thread but at least Biol10005 is over now so hopefully mods won't mind.
Hahaha, ESD1 sucked. Hard. And not because of my group. My group was great - still friends with them now.

Requisite Biology talk: BIOL10005 was okay - at least the essay questions weren't on some obscure thing that was mentioned on one slide (a la 10004).

Plus, I did not do any VCE Biology, so catching up with everyone was fun...
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: scribble on November 09, 2013, 11:35:22 pm
HAIDEREIMMELISSAANDIMREALLYBADATLIFE.

LOLIKR. the ONLY way i can ever get my matlab codes to work is by tweaking them a bajillion times. and When i say tweaking, i dont mean like, fixing a typo i mean like deleting 90% of my code and trying again fifty times over. <//33 i got destroyed in the third programming assignment.



LOL i've been to like, four engineering lectures all semester, and the ones i went to i went just to troll. <33 having moments with andrew ooi in a cow onesie.
but yeah nah, he was a terrible lecturer. and his animations were not helpful in the slightest (though i must say i was impressed as hell by them)
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: Dismounted on November 09, 2013, 11:57:39 pm
HAIDEREIMMELISSAANDIMREALLYBADATLIFE.
That took me sooo long to decipher! :P

LOLIKR. the ONLY way i can ever get my matlab codes to work is by tweaking them a bajillion times. and When i say tweaking, i dont mean like, fixing a typo i mean like deleting 90% of my code and trying again fifty times over. <//33 i got destroyed in the third programming assignment.
Haha, programming on the exam is going to suck since we can't really press "run" on our exam papers to test it...

and his animations were not helpful in the slightest (though i must say i was impressed as hell by them)
Very, very impressive animations. I didn't find Andrew too bad - Rao was much, much worse. Though maybe it's because Physics 1/2 makes ESD mechanics look quite easy by comparison.
Title: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 10, 2013, 12:00:53 am

<33 having moments with andrew ooi in a cow onesie.

HAHA I was sitting behind you that lecture AND I just re watched it like 5 hours ago and remembered you when it got to the bit where he was looking for volunteers.... hahahah
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Post by: scribble on November 10, 2013, 12:16:53 am
LOL you were?! awwwwwks. CHANCES ARE I WAS BEING OBNOXIOUS/10 THAT DAY. (and every other day of my life) <3
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: hobbitle on November 11, 2013, 08:02:25 am
Hey guys, I'm interested, how long does it really take you to write the section D responses? It takes me 20 minutes (I'm not a particularly slow hand writer or anything), like I got to part D with 70 minutes left on the clock, thought if have tonnes of time to go back and check some answers.... Ended up with 10 mins left! Is it even possible to write a full response in 10 mins? Id never be able to.
Title: Re: Biol10005 MST practice question help
Post by: scribble on November 11, 2013, 12:58:58 pm
is this bio? yeah i spent an hour doing section d, and didn't have the time to write as much as i wanted to for the parasite question;;;;
but imean, the multiple choice and fill in the blanks doesnt take too long with bio. apart from genetics, most of it is kind of like, you either know the answer or you dont.
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Post by: Dismounted on November 11, 2013, 03:09:43 pm
About 15 minutes each. With that said, probs not full marking them... :P

Though somehow I managed to get decent marks in 10004.