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Title: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 04:54:48 pm
As the title says
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Stevensmay on October 21, 2013, 04:57:03 pm
I'm going to say not allowed. From the Exam Navigator 2013.

Specifications for bound reference
• Pages must be permanently bound and securely
attached to the spine.
• The bound reference may be:
– a textbook
– a securely bound lecture pad
– a permanently bound student-constructed set of
notes without fold-outs
– an exercise book.
• The form of binding is not specified but it must be
secure, and pages must not be readily detachable or
designed to be removed.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Alwin on October 21, 2013, 05:01:09 pm
As the title says

I'm very sorry :(

I know how much work goes into a bound reference book but VCAA rules are:

screen shot of cheat book guidelines
(http://i.imgur.com/TVBXeEm.png)

At my school it's not allowed, but ask at your school coz you never know, maybe your school's examiners/methods teachers don't mind. Hopefully :)


PS: Exercise**** not exersize :P
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 05:03:18 pm
So this is not allowed?


(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd390/hivefleetpandora/DSC_0633.jpg)
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Stevensmay on October 21, 2013, 05:05:26 pm
Keep in mind that I am not a supervisor, but it appears that it would fail 'removable tabs, post-it notes or other pages or material
designed to be detached.' These pages are clearly designed to be removable, thus why they are perforated.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 05:09:55 pm
hmm...

What if I ripped all the pages out, tore off that microperforation section and bound it back together?
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Stevensmay on October 21, 2013, 05:15:41 pm
As long as it was properly bound then yes it would be fine.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: alondouek on October 21, 2013, 05:19:52 pm
So this is not allowed?


(http://i1217.photobucket.com/albums/dd390/hivefleetpandora/DSC_0633.jpg)

You're fine! That was exactly the sort of book I had my reference notes in. So long as nothing falls out when they shake it, you'll be alright.

However, some VCE coordinators might be a little stricter - best to check with the one at your school :)

(Worst case scenario, you take your book down to officeworks and ask them to photocopy and bind it for you)
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 05:21:55 pm
You're fine! That was exactly the sort of book I had my reference notes in. So long as nothing falls out when they shake it, you'll be alright.

However, some VCE coordinators might be a little stricter - best to check with the one at your school :)

(Worst case scenario, you take your book down to officeworks and ask them to photocopy and bind it for you)

So its the VCE coordinator that approves the bound reference and not the exam supervisor?
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: alondouek on October 21, 2013, 05:23:36 pm
So its the VCE coordinator that approves the bound reference and not the exam supervisor?

That's how it went at my exam. My VCE coordinator checked everyone's books one by one; when yours was checked then you we're let into the exam hall. The VCAA supervisors didn't look at them.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 05:29:48 pm
That's how it went at my exam. My VCE coordinator checked everyone's books one by one; when yours was checked then you we're let into the exam hall. The VCAA supervisors didn't look at them.

Hmm i wonder if I'm taking a risk by bringing it in... I dont want a supervisor taking it off me!
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Stevensmay on October 21, 2013, 05:32:49 pm
Considering you could probably ask a parent/friend to get it bound for you, I would just do that rather than worry that it might get taken off me.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 05:38:31 pm
Considering you could probably ask a parent/friend to get it bound for you, I would just do that rather than worry that it might get taken off me.

I might just do this. I'll take it to officeworks to get it bound without the perforations. Even though it I'll put holes through my handwriting  :-\ >:(

Better to be safe i guess
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: alondouek on October 21, 2013, 05:48:15 pm
I might just do this. I'll take it to officeworks to get it bound without the perforations. Even though it I'll put holes through my handwriting  :-\ >:(

Better to be safe i guess

Ask them if they can move the print margin to the right so your writing isn't impacted! I'm sure they can do it
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 05:52:17 pm
Ask them if they can move the print margin to the right so your writing isn't impacted! I'm sure they can do it

Problem with printing it again is that i want the book in colour and that will cost something like $380 dollars...
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: alondouek on October 21, 2013, 06:20:45 pm
Problem with printing it again is that i want the book in colour and that will cost something like $380 dollars...

I doubt that it's be that exorbitant haha, all they need to finis scan it in then adjust the side margin, then print - really easy to do.

But still, you can potentially avoid all this and check if your notes are okay with the VCE coordinator. If they're fine with it, the supervisors cannot confiscate them.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Tasmania Jones on October 21, 2013, 06:21:02 pm
Maybe you can rip the pages out and stickytape it all together again?
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 06:36:21 pm
Maybe you can rip the pages out and stickytape it all together again?

Wont remove the perforations
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Stick on October 21, 2013, 06:39:32 pm
Sticky-tape over each perforation?
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Charmz on October 21, 2013, 06:41:48 pm
You could always rip out the pages and glue them in another book.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 06:53:50 pm
Is glue binding allowed in the exams?
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Stevensmay on October 21, 2013, 07:01:49 pm
But still, you can potentially avoid all this and check if your notes are okay with the VCE coordinator. If they're fine with it, the supervisors cannot confiscate them.

Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you mind sourcing this?

Thank you
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: brenden on October 21, 2013, 07:10:56 pm
Is glue binding allowed in the exams?
Yeah, I had stuff glued in mine, photocopies etc. If you glued every page on non-perf. exercise book, that should suffice.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Zealous on October 21, 2013, 07:12:02 pm
I initially set up my methods and further bound reference in a book like yours.

I just took out the pages, stapled them together down the side as close to the edge as possible (to not hit the writing, it gets pretty close after removing the edge).
After that I just sticky taped straight down the edge. That's something you could look into if you're worried.

Only thing is the whole bound reference is like 1 cm shorter than A4 on the width =p (it looks odd if you add in standard A4 sheets into it)
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 07:17:17 pm
I initially set up my methods and further bound reference in a book like yours.

I just took out the pages, stapled them together down the side as close to the edge as possible (to not hit the writing, it gets pretty close after removing the edge).
After that I just sticky taped straight down the edge. That's something you could look into if you're worried.

Only thing is the whole bound reference is like 1 cm shorter than A4 on the width =p (it looks odd if you add in standard A4 sheets into it)

i might do this but just get the pages thermal binded at officeworks because my book is too thick to staple
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: pi on October 21, 2013, 07:21:06 pm
Sorry, moved this thread because the incorrect spelling of the word "exercise" as "exersize" was really troubling me.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Are exersize books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: alondouek on October 21, 2013, 07:22:32 pm
Just to satisfy my curiosity, do you mind sourcing this?

Thank you

I can't source, but for every VCE exam at my school, the coordinator is at the venue to check IDs and test reference books etc. He told us prior to exam period that if he'd approved the reference book just  prior to entry into the exam, then the supervisors won't have any problem.

It should be noted that the supervisors didn't even check the ref notes, only calculators (which was pretty odd I guess)
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: simba on October 21, 2013, 07:35:21 pm
The further book I took into the exam last year had perforated edges like that... But the assessors didn't check our bound references at all (nether did any teachers prior to the exam)
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: slothpomba on October 21, 2013, 07:38:28 pm
Carefully tear out each page and have them rebound into a book at officeworks. Officeworks will bind any loose paper for you together if you pay them enough. I don't know if this paper is kind of hardy enough to survive binding though, that kind of paper is pretty thin. Alternative, they can drill it/holepunch all of them at once and tie it together.

I dont know if its worth risking it, even if theres a 5% chance you get caught, you could be left without it for the exam. If it's going to cost $300 or whatever, i think the risk is fine but if its going to cost $10 bucks and some time, i'd say take that option.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 07:52:18 pm
Carefully tear out each page and have them rebound into a book at officeworks. Officeworks will bind any loose paper for you together if you pay them enough. I don't know if this paper is kind of hardy enough to survive binding though, that kind of paper is pretty thin. Alternative, they can drill it/holepunch all of them at once and tie it together.

I dont know if its worth risking it, even if theres a 5% chance you get caught, you could be left without it for the exam. If it's going to cost $300 or whatever, i think the risk is fine but if its going to cost $10 bucks and some time, i'd say take that option.

Yeah I'm planning to do this, but rather than using a coil bind (which would put holes through my handwriting) I'm going to get them to thermal bind it, which basically involves putting a strip of glue down the edges of the pages. Hopefully the paper survives.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Professor Polonsky on October 21, 2013, 08:01:34 pm
I'm going to say just bring it in - it looks fine to me. But double-check with the relevant people at your school.

To be honest, I think that wasting too much time on your bound book (unless its for Further) is detrimental. You'd usually be way better off doing practice exams than constructing notes.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 08:08:03 pm
I'm going to say just bring it in - it looks fine to me. But double-check with the relevant people at your school.

To be honest, I think that wasting too much time on your bound book (unless its for Further) is detrimental. You'd usually be way better off doing practice exams than constructing notes.

I haven't put it together over the last few days, I've been making it over the entire year as revision, adding to it every time I finished an exercise in my textbook.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Reckoner on October 21, 2013, 08:31:47 pm
Sticky-tape over each perforation?

This is what I recommend. For methods last year somebody had perforated pages, and they were told to tape over the perforations and then they could take it in.

Safest option would be to talk to the coordinators at your school though.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: CossieG on October 21, 2013, 08:46:40 pm
This is what I recommend. For methods last year somebody had perforated pages, and they were told to tape over the perforations and then they could take it in.

Safest option would be to talk to the coordinators at your school though.

Is that a legit technique? If thats the case I'll just do this. Anyways, I don't see how supervisors could come up with an excuse to take the book off me if I did this.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Damoz.G on October 21, 2013, 08:54:38 pm
Yup. Sticky tape over the perforations is one of the best options right now, but it is time consuming. May be get your mum, dad or a sibling to do it for you (Someone who will do it properly). You, yourself don't want to be wasting your time doing that at this point.

Another alternative, is to get your school library (if they are friendly enough) to photocopy all the pages of notes, and then print it all off, and then get it bound. I don't think this would be an easy way, but just a suggestion. :)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Damoz.G on October 21, 2013, 08:56:25 pm
Anyways, I don't see how supervisors could come up with an excuse to take the book off me if I did this.

They have a lot of power. They can do what they want to be honest - They are given the authority to do so. They SHOULDN'T take it off you if you do sticky tape each page, but remember they have more power than you do.
Title: Re: Are exercise books with microperforations allowed as a bound reference?
Post by: Reckoner on October 21, 2013, 09:08:35 pm
Is that a legit technique? If thats the case I'll just do this. Anyways, I don't see how supervisors could come up with an excuse to take the book off me if I did this.

Can't say for certain that it will satisfy all supervisors, but was at least a legitimate technique at my school. Again though, may as well make sure and talk to somebody at your school before the exam rather then trying to guess. It will just give you one less thing to worry about and potentially get stressed over come exam day.