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Title: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: m@tty on July 09, 2009, 10:19:28 pm
Before my sister did it(Psych) I had only heard of Derrick Ha.
I was wondering how common it actually is.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: GerrySly on July 09, 2009, 10:21:55 pm
polky did it as well, I have never heard of anybody doing it at my school since I've been here (6 years)
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: mypurpleundercracka on July 09, 2009, 10:22:59 pm
never heard of it, would that mean ud have to do units 1 and 2 in yr 9
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: shinny on July 09, 2009, 10:27:13 pm
Schools which have accelerated programs often do it...a few of my friends did.

never heard of it, would that mean ud have to do units 1 and 2 in yr 9
They'd choose a subject which they could skip units 1+2 for, such as psych, bio, accounting etc.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: hyperblade01 on July 09, 2009, 10:29:50 pm
I know someone's sister that did Chinese 3/4 (forgot which but it was either second language or second language advanced) in Year 10 and bet everyone else - I think a raw of 40
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: enwiabe on July 09, 2009, 10:31:32 pm
Ninwa (on this site) did a 3+4 in year 10 and got 50...

So, yeah, definitely go for it if you like the subject/think you'll enjoy it :)
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: rhjc.1991 on July 09, 2009, 10:36:40 pm
Wow crap, that's pretty tank
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: TrueTears on July 09, 2009, 10:37:35 pm
Ninwa (on this site) did a 3+4 in year 10 and got 50...

So, yeah, definitely go for it if you like the subject/think you'll enjoy it :)
ninwa is one of the best pianist in AUS :)
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: rhjc.1991 on July 09, 2009, 10:38:30 pm
Ninwa (on this site) did a 3+4 in year 10 and got 50...

So, yeah, definitely go for it if you like the subject/think you'll enjoy it :)
ninwa is one of the best pianist in AUS :)
really? Btw, how does instrumental exams work?
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: TrueTears on July 09, 2009, 10:39:27 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: rhjc.1991 on July 09, 2009, 10:40:59 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: rhjc.1991 on July 09, 2009, 10:41:30 pm
also, is ninwa adminsslave?
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: TrueTears on July 09, 2009, 10:41:44 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Yeap very true. Music (especially piano) is very subjective.

All the competitions in AUS are all politics, bias, cheating etc
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: rhjc.1991 on July 09, 2009, 10:43:23 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Yeap very true. Music (especially piano) is very subjective.

All the competitions in AUS are all politics, bias, cheating etc
yeah because if she's that famous, the assessor could just give high marks based on his/her prejudice (i know i would)
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: TrueTears on July 09, 2009, 10:43:49 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Yeap very true. Music (especially piano) is very subjective.

All the competitions in AUS are all politics, bias, cheating etc
yeah because if she's that famous, the assessor could just give high marks based on his/her prejudice (i know i would)
Lol nah ninwa is pure skill, no doubt there.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: polky on July 09, 2009, 10:43:58 pm
Yeah I did Chinese SL in Year 10.  Don't think it's too common, only 3 year 10s in my year level were doing a year 12 subject.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: rhjc.1991 on July 09, 2009, 10:45:28 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Yeap very true. Music (especially piano) is very subjective.

All the competitions in AUS are all politics, bias, cheating etc
yeah because if she's that famous, the assessor could just give high marks based on his/her prejudice (i know i would)
Lol nah ninwa is pure skill, no doubt there.
wasn't suggesting she wasn't. I was merely raising a hypothesis. :P
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: TrueTears on July 09, 2009, 10:48:10 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Yeap very true. Music (especially piano) is very subjective.

All the competitions in AUS are all politics, bias, cheating etc
yeah because if she's that famous, the assessor could just give high marks based on his/her prejudice (i know i would)
Lol nah ninwa is pure skill, no doubt there.
wasn't suggesting she wasn't. I was merely raising a hypothesis. :P
Yah I know, but subjectivity has happened before heaps.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: rhjc.1991 on July 09, 2009, 10:54:07 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Yeap very true. Music (especially piano) is very subjective.

All the competitions in AUS are all politics, bias, cheating etc
yeah because if she's that famous, the assessor could just give high marks based on his/her prejudice (i know i would)
Lol nah ninwa is pure skill, no doubt there.
wasn't suggesting she wasn't. I was merely raising a hypothesis. :P
Yah I know, but subjectivity has happened before heaps.
Yeah I am sure. If I hear of subjectivity in LOTE orals, I am sure to hear it in performances. Also, do all group members for VCE group performance get same marks?
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: m@tty on July 09, 2009, 11:49:07 pm
50 anytime is a great achievement but in year 10 they must be a genius.
So each year there would be more than 50 year 10's doing a 3+4 sequence? Of course you do not actually
know but your thoughts please.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: EvangelionZeta on July 09, 2009, 11:51:34 pm
I know a few people who did Chinese 3/4 in year 10, and they mostly ended up scoring high 30s/40s.  Also a guy who did Music Group and got 44...
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: TrueTears on July 09, 2009, 11:54:23 pm
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Yeap very true. Music (especially piano) is very subjective.

All the competitions in AUS are all politics, bias, cheating etc
yeah because if she's that famous, the assessor could just give high marks based on his/her prejudice (i know i would)
Lol nah ninwa is pure skill, no doubt there.
wasn't suggesting she wasn't. I was merely raising a hypothesis. :P
Yah I know, but subjectivity has happened before heaps.
Yeah I am sure. If I hear of subjectivity in LOTE orals, I am sure to hear it in performances. Also, do all group members for VCE group performance get same marks?
Someone from our school this year had their "tutor" as their oral examiner, they didn't swap rooms either.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: shinny on July 10, 2009, 12:09:10 am
So each year there would be more than 50 year 10's doing a 3+4 sequence? Of course you do not actually
know but your thoughts please.
Why's this important? The year 10's will get ranked alongside with the year 11s and 12s that are doing the same subject.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: rhjc.1991 on July 10, 2009, 12:11:15 am
yah she's practically won every major competition in AUS :P

There's your normal SACs, performance exam, and written exam.
wouldn't your performance exam be really subjective?
Yeap very true. Music (especially piano) is very subjective.

All the competitions in AUS are all politics, bias, cheating etc
yeah because if she's that famous, the assessor could just give high marks based on his/her prejudice (i know i would)
Lol nah ninwa is pure skill, no doubt there.
wasn't suggesting she wasn't. I was merely raising a hypothesis. :P
Yah I know, but subjectivity has happened before heaps.
Yeah I am sure. If I hear of subjectivity in LOTE orals, I am sure to hear it in performances. Also, do all group members for VCE group performance get same marks?
Someone from our school this year had their "tutor" as their oral examiner, they didn't swap rooms either.
Wow major corruption. Cheating out on hard workers like you TT.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: ryley on July 10, 2009, 12:15:39 am
My dad taught I.T(can't remember which one) for years and just recently he was saying that he taught a year 10 kid who got 46 raw, I suppose its just another example of year 10 kids dominating vce.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: TonyHem on July 10, 2009, 12:18:32 am
Pretty uncommon but a good idea IMO.
Lets you focus on 1 subject since you can basically neglect everything else.
Same thing in year 11, possibly meaning you've been able to focus at 100% on half your subjects and then have a less stressful year12.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: NE2000 on July 10, 2009, 09:58:40 am
Hailebury lets you do Year 10 3/4s.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: linny on July 10, 2009, 10:09:30 am
hence Derrick Ha
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: NE2000 on July 10, 2009, 10:24:48 am
hence Derrick Ha

Yeah, I meant that it is common for them to allow that (i.e. Derrick Ha wasn't specially allowed because he was so unbelievably smart).
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: linny on July 10, 2009, 10:29:09 am
ahaha yeah; but how many schools do offer 3/4's in yr 10...?
my school doesnt let you do 3/4's in yr 11 unless you have various teeachers recommendation --'
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: m@tty on July 10, 2009, 03:51:50 pm
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Why's this important? The year 10's will get ranked alongside with the year 11s and 12s that are doing the same subject.
It doesn't matter, but it is unusual so we are exploring it.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: minilunchbox on July 11, 2009, 04:47:02 pm
My friend did Vietnamese FL through VSL/saturday school and got low 40's. And I know a few year 10s who are doing Chinese SL 3/4 this year, but also through saturday school.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: Toothpaste on July 12, 2009, 01:37:15 am
http://www.education.vic.gov.au/studentlearning/programs/gifted/seal/default.htm
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: appianway on July 12, 2009, 10:42:47 am
I'm pretty sure that there are year 9s at our school doing 3/4 Chinese this year...
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: Glockmeister on July 12, 2009, 01:48:39 pm
hence Derrick Ha

Yeah, I meant that it is common for them to allow that (i.e. Derrick Ha wasn't specially allowed because he was so unbelievably smart).

Actually (as a Haileybury alumni), doing 3/4s in Yr 10 is not actually common, particularly for maths.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: NE2000 on July 12, 2009, 01:50:14 pm
hence Derrick Ha

Yeah, I meant that it is common for them to allow that (i.e. Derrick Ha wasn't specially allowed because he was so unbelievably smart).

Actually (as a Haileybury alumni), doing 3/4s in Yr 10 is not actually common, particularly for maths.

Oh...I have a friend who did Methods Yr 10 Haileybury so I thought it might be common
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: Glockmeister on July 12, 2009, 01:52:07 pm
hence Derrick Ha

Yeah, I meant that it is common for them to allow that (i.e. Derrick Ha wasn't specially allowed because he was so unbelievably smart).

Actually (as a Haileybury alumni), doing 3/4s in Yr 10 is not actually common, particularly for maths.

Oh...I have a friend who did Methods Yr 10 Haileybury so I thought it might be common

Yeah, there's occasionally like a singe digit number of students doing 3/4 Methods in Yr 10.
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: ninwa on July 12, 2009, 04:10:33 pm
Yeah, there's occasionally like a singe digit number of students doing 3/4 Methods in Yr 10.
The year I did methods we had two year 10s doing it - one of whom ended up beating all the year 11s and 12s who did methods that year, did spesh in year 11 and got 46 and was "disappointed" with that score (o.O) and ended up duxing the school last year lol.

If you're good at it there's no reason why your school wouldn't let you help boost their median study score :P
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: EvangelionZeta on July 12, 2009, 07:10:48 pm
More baffling was a guy at my school who did Spesh in year 9 and then Methods in year 10.  Vice-versa would be reasonable (albeit freakish), but why would you do the harder one first?  >_>
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: NE2000 on July 13, 2009, 03:02:57 pm
More baffling was a guy at my school who did Spesh in year 9 and then Methods in year 10.  Vice-versa would be reasonable (albeit freakish), but why would you do the harder one first?  >_>

They allow that at your school???
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: Flaming_Arrow on July 13, 2009, 03:05:25 pm
More baffling was a guy at my school who did Spesh in year 9 and then Methods in year 10.  Vice-versa would be reasonable (albeit freakish), but why would you do the harder one first?  >_>

They allow that at your school???

wtf, what scores did he get?
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: TrueTears on July 13, 2009, 03:15:16 pm
Taylor Thor gg pr0
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: NE2000 on July 13, 2009, 03:35:14 pm
Taylor Thor gg pr0

oh that guy, that's exceptional circumstances...if you write a textbook while at school you basically have rights to do whatever subjects you want whenever you want lol..
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: Gloamglozer on July 13, 2009, 05:05:04 pm
Ah yes, Taylor Thor.  I remember reading about him last year in The Age (the education section that appears every Monday).

I also feel a little bit sorry for him because he's practically got no Maths subjects left for him to tackle epically own in VCE.

EDIT:  Had to cross out "Taylor" because it was inaccurate.  lol
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: ninwa on July 13, 2009, 05:06:58 pm
(his name is Thor, not Taylor :P) I went to primary school with him. I remember being in "Advanced maths" with him in year 5 - the rest of us were struggling with year 10 level stuff while he cruised through uni-level questions -_-)
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: kurrymuncher on July 13, 2009, 05:08:18 pm
(his name is Thor, not Taylor :P) I went to primary school with him. I remember being in "Advanced maths" with him in year 5 - the rest of us were struggling with year 10 level stuff while he cruised through uni-level questions -_-)

uni questions in primary school!! thats almost tom cruise bat shit crazy
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: Gloamglozer on July 13, 2009, 05:14:56 pm
(his name is Thor, not Taylor :P) I went to primary school with him. I remember being in "Advanced maths" with him in year 5 - the rest of us were struggling with year 10 level stuff while he cruised through uni-level questions -_-)

I wonder if that's in any way correlated to him having an aptitude for Maths...  :P
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: Flaming_Arrow on July 13, 2009, 05:17:55 pm
(his name is Thor, not Taylor :P) I went to primary school with him. I remember being in "Advanced maths" with him in year 5 - the rest of us were struggling with year 10 level stuff while he cruised through uni-level questions -_-)

amazing, i still cant do year 10 questions :D :D
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: EvangelionZeta on July 13, 2009, 09:45:46 pm
O_O You went to primary school with him, Ninwa?  See him at Melbourne Uni?  XD
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: ninwa on July 13, 2009, 09:51:25 pm
I don't go to melbourne uni ... :P
Title: Re: 3+4 in year 10?
Post by: EvangelionZeta on July 13, 2009, 11:48:00 pm
-selfwhack-

My bad.  :)