Post by: DJA on December 16, 2013, 09:18:23 am
I don't believe it. Guys if you got a 40 for methods raw, it scales to 47...
Hahahaha.
Gotta love the scaled 50 to 52 for like the first time ever.
Maths Methods was definitely hard this year specifically in terms of the end of year exam...specifically the last page or so... :-[
So you guys who got lower than expected raw scores for methods, at least it scales like a beast this year.
Anyone got lower than expected for methods 3/4 year 11's or year 12's?
Post by: pterozachtyl on December 16, 2013, 09:23:05 am
Scaled to 43.77
Post by: MindoverMatter on December 16, 2013, 09:26:19 am
I'm happy - it's not everyday your worst subject is scaled to a 41!
Post by: AsianNerd on December 16, 2013, 09:48:13 am
Post by: jt33 on December 16, 2013, 09:49:50 am
Post by: RKTR on December 16, 2013, 09:51:13 am
Post by: jt33 on December 16, 2013, 09:52:02 am
45 scaled to 50 http://144.140.62.148/pdf/scaling-report.pdfthat is to the nearest integer though
Post by: DJA on December 16, 2013, 09:57:50 am
I got 44 raw scaled to 50Congrats :)
Post by: Sanguinne on December 16, 2013, 09:59:16 am
how can i check what it scaled to?
Post by: Stick on December 16, 2013, 10:16:34 am
Post by: Epsilon on December 16, 2013, 10:17:32 am
Post by: REBORN on December 16, 2013, 10:19:06 am
Post by: jt33 on December 16, 2013, 10:21:19 am
The A+ cutoff for this subject must have been really low... I got a 45 having lost 12 marks on exam 2 (approximately).What did that scale to?
Post by: DJA on December 16, 2013, 10:23:32 am
What did that scale to?
50
Post by: simba on December 16, 2013, 10:33:56 am
Post by: datfatcat on December 16, 2013, 10:40:15 am
Post by: clıppy on December 16, 2013, 10:42:33 am
50 to 52? Wow this year is interesting :)Is that something that has never happened?
Post by: Shenz0r on December 16, 2013, 10:44:06 am
Is that something that has never happened?
Methods has never scaled that high before in the top end. 45 used to scale to around 48. My 42 last year scaled to 46.
Post by: DJA on December 16, 2013, 10:47:10 am
Post by: shadows on December 16, 2013, 10:49:51 am
the raw score i get will be scaled against this years cohort right?
As i dont get a scaled score in my results...
i'm a little disappointed. cause i got soo close to a 40. (Oh, well I knew I stuffed up the exams)
What would 39 be scaled to?
Post by: datfatcat on December 16, 2013, 10:51:13 am
the raw score i get will be scaled against this years cohort right?
Yes, yours will be scaled according to this years Scaling Report.
Post by: DJA on December 16, 2013, 10:53:11 am
What would 39 be scaled to?
Im guessing scaled to around a 45-46 in a very conservative estimate. Maybe more considering a 40 scales to 47.
Post by: All†Fiction on December 16, 2013, 12:39:16 pm
Post by: DJA on December 16, 2013, 12:43:06 pm
You guys reckon scaling will be as good next year?
It really depends on how difficult next year's end of year exams are for methods and ALSO how well the methods cohort does on the 2 papers for next year.
That will determine the scaling.
Post by: enwiabe on December 16, 2013, 12:56:28 pm
Yes I am pretty sure Methods has never scaled above 50 before. This is unprecedented :o
Early 00's/late 90's it went to 51. Ah, young'uns.
Post by: auds on December 16, 2013, 02:35:46 pm
Post by: lArcdeTriomphe on December 16, 2013, 02:43:42 pm
And, from my understanding at least, the reason why methods was scaled so much was purely because the examS (yep, both exam 1 and 2) were difficult and thus done poorly by the majority of the cohort. Don't expect such scaling next year! (unless VCAA decides to write ridiculously hard exams again)
So, as DJALogical has said, don't fret about a lower-than-expected score in methods this year. The scaling probs took care of that (e.g. 40-->47 whereas usually it's 40-->45).
Congratulations on all the great results, by the by! :)
Post by: Stick on December 16, 2013, 04:24:25 pm
What did a 45 scale to exactly?
Mine scaled to 50.09
Post by: JHardwickVCE on December 16, 2013, 04:32:49 pm
Post by: Zealous on December 16, 2013, 04:38:34 pm
Ok so I'm a student in year 11. I got a text this morning saying I got 48 woo!! Is this the scaled or raw score? If it's raw, where does it say what it scaled to?
Raw score, probably will scale to around 51.2.
You can probably look for someone in Year 12 who got a 48 raw to let you know the scaling.
Post by: casbanjo on December 16, 2013, 09:13:13 pm
Post by: datfatcat on December 16, 2013, 09:15:13 pm
It's weird how I got a lower raw score than a girl last year, but I actually beat her after scaling. Makes my puny 40 feel special :)Because this year papers are a lot harder than previous year :)
Post by: abcdqd on December 18, 2013, 10:37:51 am
Post by: Alwin on December 18, 2013, 11:12:58 am
Question because no one else seems to know - I did methods 3/4 this year in year 11. Do I get the scaled score from this year as part of my ATAR next year, or is it scaled by next years scaling? Or is the highest of the two taken.
Scaled score from this year.
No.
You are scaled by the year you completed the subject in. Take my 48 for example, I don't get 50+ scaled, rather I get 49.33 using last year's cohort. Otherwise I guess it would be "unfair"
Post by: wanna fite on December 18, 2013, 11:23:56 am
No.
You are scaled by the year you completed the subject in. Take my 48 for example, I don't get 50+ scaled, rather I get 49.33 using last year's cohort. Otherwise I guess it would be "unfair"
Isn't this the same thing that REBORN said?
Post by: Alwin on December 18, 2013, 11:32:23 am
Isn't this the same thing that REBORN said?
oops my mistake, I thought Epsilon had said he did methods last year... :P
(now you knw why I didn't go so good in English :P)
Post by: Professor Polonsky on December 21, 2013, 12:24:38 am
- Methods scaled so much this year because it hit the VTAC trigger for scaling over 50, which automatically brings everything up along with it. That trigger is:
- In 2010, it was 49.7, and in 2011 it was 49.1. The main difference this year has been the abnormally large
[need to remember finishing my sentences before hitting post]
Post by: speakerphones on December 21, 2013, 02:32:30 am
Post by: shadows on December 21, 2013, 10:30:22 am
What would a 36 scale to?? I didn't perform as well as I would have hoped to in the exams but I'm happy with what I got considering the circumstances - especially since the scaling is so good!
42-43 based on scaling report.
Post by: abd0051 on December 25, 2013, 12:13:46 pm
Post by: Zealous on December 25, 2013, 01:06:06 pm
Hi I'm starting methods next year for year 11, any advice? How hard would it be if I averaged about a 70 in maths this year (I'm in year 10)Hey there, welcome to AN!
Its hard to say based on scores how you'll find methods as the scores are all relative to the difficulty that your school sets for assessments. (Hopefully that made grammatical sense...) Your school might set easier assessment compared to the state or very difficult assessment.
One thing I can say about methods is that it requires hard work. This thread is about methods scaling a ridiculous amount this year, and that is for a reason. Try your best to stay on top of the work and if you have problems with concepts, ask someone until you understand. Also set yourself a goal to work for, or else you might have trouble finding motivation.. to work.
Good luck =)
Post by: 2NE1 on January 08, 2014, 09:53:51 pm
i am currently considering to repeat Methods again :(
Post by: DJA on January 08, 2014, 09:56:54 pm
I wouldn't recommend repeating Methods imo. Repeating a subject is going to be boring as hell for you and its really not that enjoyable.
However, if you really want to, it is your decision to make. I wish you luck for this year. Hopefully the exam won't be as bad :)
Post by: BLACKCATT on January 08, 2014, 10:02:18 pm
Post by: shadows on January 08, 2014, 10:03:03 pm
would anyone know what 38 scales to?
i am currently considering to repeat Methods again :(
ehh my bet would be 45.
I don't think it would hurt repeating as you already did 3 3/4s in Yr 11.. (great scores btw ;D)
If you were to repeat it again... are you confident that you are going to score higher? If you can push methods into your bottom 2.... (by the look of your other 2 scores, I think it would be quite easy..) it won't matter that much. You also can't guarantee that this years scaling will be as high as 2013....
IF you don't repeat it... I guess you have 3 subjects only you fill have soo many frees and a lot of time to try ace them.... (esp english as its super important)
It's your decision in the end. I don't think you can go wrong with whatever option you go with.
Post by: 2NE1 on January 08, 2014, 10:07:56 pm
ehh my bet would be 45.
I don't think it would hurt repeating as you already did 3 3/4s in Yr 11.. (great scores btw ;D)
If you were to repeat it again... are you confident that you are going to score higher? If you can push methods into your bottom 2.... (by the look of your other 2 scores, I think it would be quite easy..) it won't matter that much. You also can't guarantee that this years scaling will be as high as 2013....
IF you don't repeat it... I guess you have 3 subjects only you fill have soo many frees and a lot of time to try ace them.... (esp english as its super important)
It's your decision in the end. I don't think you can go wrong with whatever option you go with.
Yeah, I just want to aim for a really high ATAR and I'm scared that a 38 in Methods isn't enough to get me where I want. But if I don't repeat Methods I can put more time and effort into my other 3 subjects and risk not getting an as high ATAR if it is the Methods that drags me down? It is kind of confusing, but I have high expectations and I want to try get 99.9+, which I know is extremely difficult :)
Post by: psyxwar on January 08, 2014, 10:18:15 pm
Yeah, I just want to aim for a really high ATAR and I'm scared that a 38 in Methods isn't enough to get me where I want. But if I don't repeat Methods I can put more time and effort into my other 3 subjects and risk not getting an as high ATAR if it is the Methods that drags me down? It is kind of confusing, but I have high expectations and I want to try get 99.9+, which I know is extremely difficult :)I don't think doing 3 subjects is a particular good idea. Too much free time means complacency, at least for me. I don't think there's any harm doing 4 next year. If you feel like methods is worth repeating and you won't be bored doing it again, then go for it. 38 is by no means a bad score, especially considering scaling, but yeah, if you're going for 99.9+ I completely understand wanting to redo it. You might want to consider picking up a new subject though, maybe an English if that's your thing (worst case scenario: it simply isnt counted at all).
Post by: 2NE1 on January 09, 2014, 09:12:02 am
I don't think doing 3 subjects is a particular good idea. Too much free time means complacency, at least for me. I don't think there's any harm doing 4 next year. If you feel like methods is worth repeating and you won't be bored doing it again, then go for it. 38 is by no means a bad score, especially considering scaling, but yeah, if you're going for 99.9+ I completely understand wanting to redo it. You might want to consider picking up a new subject though, maybe an English if that's your thing (worst case scenario: it simply isnt counted at all).
english is..definitely not my thing and I will really need to put a lot of effort into that this year. I enjoyed Methods and I think I could do it again because I know I messed up in the exam and I know I put a lot of effort into it last year. If I redo Methods, hopefully it won't be as stressful because I'm not learning completely new concepts or anything too hard. But yeah, my English definitely needs some work. What do you mean it isn't counted at all?
Post by: psyxwar on January 09, 2014, 10:01:21 am
english is..definitely not my thing and I will really need to put a lot of effort into that this year. I enjoyed Methods and I think I could do it again because I know I messed up in the exam and I know I put a lot of effort into it last year. If I redo Methods, hopefully it won't be as stressful because I'm not learning completely new concepts or anything too hard. But yeah, my English definitely needs some work. What do you mean it isn't counted at all?Seventh subject isnt counted lol
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 10:15:39 am
You don't really need a 50 in chem though; go for the high scores in English and spesh because those two will determine your ATAR. If you're a person who needs lots of time to learn stuff like English and spesh, just stick with three subjects. Only do Methods if you think you can beat your Chinese score with it.
That said you'd have had 6 subjects in year 11 and now 3. That IS a bit little.
Post by: Only Cheating Yourself on January 09, 2014, 11:11:16 am
Post by: Zealous on January 09, 2014, 11:19:26 am
Let's see what you need. 48 in bio, a 50 ish in Chinese and a 44 in Methods. Now you want a 99.90 so by last year's standards you'd need an aggregate of over 208.2 I think. If you get a 50 in chem, spesh and English, that'll be 155 to your aggregate. Add your Chinese score and you have 205. Add your bio and methods scores as increments and you're over 212 which is enough for 99.95.If we do predict ATARs for 2014 do you think we should be using 2012 aggregate to ATAR?
(Due to methods scaling this year which is unlikely to happen next year... the aggregates required this year for 99.9+ (2013) were high...)
A bit out of place, but does anyone have the aggregate to ATAR PDF for 2012?
Post by: DJA on January 09, 2014, 11:50:38 am
Guys will methods ever scale down like 3-4? Cause in 2015 if it scales by that much ill lose the plot! Is it consistently scaling up by 5+?
I doubt methods will scale down. That would be ridiculous.
(unless the whole year 12 cohort in Victoria does methods...)
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 11:52:36 am
If we do predict ATARs for 2014 do you think we should be using last year's (2012) aggregate to ATAR?
(Due to methods scaling this year which is unlikely to happen next year... the aggregates required this year for 99.9+ (2013) were high...)
A bit out of place, but does anyone have the aggregate to ATAR PDF for 2012?
It's 2014 right now, so last year = 2013
Just google aggregate to ATAR VCE 2013 and you'll find it.
The aggregate requirements were increased last year presumably because of Methods scaling.
Post by: Only Cheating Yourself on January 09, 2014, 12:05:56 pm
I doubt methods will scale down. That would be ridiculous.
(unless the whole year 12 cohort in Victoria does methods...)
My bad i meant would it scale down like only 3-4.?
Post by: abcdqd on January 09, 2014, 12:25:51 pm
If we do predict ATARs for 2014 do you think we should be using 2012 aggregate to ATAR?http://www.bssc.edu.au/media/88192/aggregate-ATAR.pdf
(Due to methods scaling this year which is unlikely to happen next year... the aggregates required this year for 99.9+ (2013) were high...)
A bit out of place, but does anyone have the aggregate to ATAR PDF for 2012?
Post by: DJA on January 09, 2014, 12:52:25 pm
My bad i meant would it scale down like only 3-4.?
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg)
I think you mean scale up 4-5?
;D Yes. That is the norm.
Non-critically non-judgementally. disclaimer etc etc
Post by: Only Cheating Yourself on January 09, 2014, 01:07:46 pm
(http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/000/554/facepalm.jpg)
I think you mean scale up 4-5?
;D Yes. That is the norm.
Non-critically non-judgementally. disclaimer etc etc
Ye
Post by: Zealous on January 09, 2014, 01:47:52 pm
http://www.bssc.edu.au/media/88192/aggregate-ATAR.pdfThanks!
It's 2014 right now, so last year = 2013Haha sorry I forgot. I still forget I'm 17 when my birthday was a few months ago..
Post by: 2NE1 on January 09, 2014, 07:44:15 pm
Let's see what you need. 48 in bio, a 50 ish in Chinese and a 44 in Methods. Now you want a 99.90 so by last year's standards you'd need an aggregate of over 208.2 I think. If you get a 50 in chem, spesh and English, that'll be 155 to your aggregate. Add your Chinese score and you have 205. Add your bio and methods scores as increments and you're over 212 which is enough for 99.95.
You don't really need a 50 in chem though; go for the high scores in English and spesh because those two will determine your ATAR. If you're a person who needs lots of time to learn stuff like English and spesh, just stick with three subjects. Only do Methods if you think you can beat your Chinese score with it.
That said you'd have had 6 subjects in year 11 and now 3. That IS a bit little.
Because getting 50 in Chem, Spesh and English is so likely haha. I reckon my English would be 40-45 at my best, anything higher will be a miracle. That is why I'm so nervous about the whole thing because I'm worried I will do well in all my subjects except English, which will ultimately fail my ATAR and screw it over :(
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 08:35:31 pm
I was prepared to take a 45 at the beginning of last year and not look back. Trust me, it's not impossible to do well in English. Just put the effort in, keep hassling your teacher with essays and you'll be fine.
Then, you won't need to repeat Methods.
Post by: psyxwar on January 09, 2014, 09:16:20 pm
I was worried that I was going to fail English. So what did I do? Dump 80% of my time into English. I think it worked :Pnot all of us can get three 50s for 20% of our time :P
I was prepared to take a 45 at the beginning of last year and not look back. Trust me, it's not impossible to do well in English. Just put the effort in, keep hassling your teacher with essays and you'll be fine.
Then, you won't need to repeat Methods.
Post by: DJA on January 09, 2014, 09:20:26 pm
not all of us can get three 50s for 20% of our time :P
lol ;D SO true hahaha
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 09:21:53 pm
Post by: Professor Polonsky on January 09, 2014, 09:55:09 pm
Post by: 2NE1 on January 09, 2014, 10:17:56 pm
Definitely do the three subjects and ace English.
I want to do that, but I'm really worried that I can't get 99.9+ with that 38 in Methods. So I want to improve that score?
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 10:21:32 pm
Now, put more effort into your other three subjects and I'm sure you can make up for this.
Post by: 2NE1 on January 09, 2014, 10:24:39 pm
Look at my plan for you. Methods doesn't feature in your top four at all, so its influence is limited. As it'll go to around 46, it'll be a 4.6 increment, which is only 0.4 points lower than a max of 5.0.
Now, put more effort into your other three subjects and I'm sure you can make up for this.
38 goes to like 45 right?
how well do I have to do for the other three, English Spesh and Chem, would you be able to give me a range? or something? thanks
Post by: DJA on January 09, 2014, 10:31:58 pm
You've forgotten; this person only has three subjects, which means he/she has like 30% more time than the rest of us and 60% the normal workload. I'm sure they could devote at least a bit more time to English.
That is true.
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 10:33:45 pm
38 goes to like 45 right?
how well do I have to do for the other three, English Spesh and Chem, would you be able to give me a range? or something? thanks
You'll want a 50 in English, mid to high 40s for spesh and then any score above 40 for chemistry; that would be fine. And perfectly achievable given you'd have just three subjects.
Post by: Professor Polonsky on January 09, 2014, 10:39:56 pm
I want to do that, but I'm really worried that I can't get 99.9+ with that 38 in Methods. So I want to improve that score?No need to improve Methods - repeating it will likely only harm you. If you knock it out of your Top 4, you're good for a high score. You really only need three good subjects + a solid score in English. You already have Chinese SL and Bio which can definitely go in your top 4. If you score well in English and one of spesh/chem (or both, to knock bio out of your top 4) you're set.
Basically just concentrate on acing those three subjects next year (or at the very least, English and one of the two).
You'll want a 50 in English, mid to high 40s for spesh and then any score above 40 for chemistry; that would be fine. And perfectly achievable given you'd have just three subjects.With a 40 in spesh and 47 in English (keeping bio and Chinese in top 4) I'm getting 99.85. So you don't even need that high.
Post by: T-Infinite on January 09, 2014, 10:48:36 pm
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 11:06:00 pm
With a 40 in spesh and 47 in English (keeping bio and Chinese in top 4) I'm getting 99.85. So you don't even need that high.
Perhaps, but it can't hurt to aim a little high can it? This student wants 99.90+.
And given that last year's scores went out of whack with Methods scaling, if that happens again this year, it's possible your plan gets him just to 99.80, slightly lower than what he wants.
Post by: 2NE1 on January 10, 2014, 08:54:17 pm
Perhaps, but it can't hurt to aim a little high can it? This student wants 99.90+.
And given that last year's scores went out of whack with Methods scaling, if that happens again this year, it's possible your plan gets him just to 99.80, slightly lower than what he wants.
I would be a bit disappointed with 99.80, but I am going to try make Methods my bottom two, which won't affect the ATAR much if I smash English, Spesh and Chem. Hopefully I can get 99.9 just with this years results and my 38 in methods :/