Post by: abcdqd on December 31, 2013, 01:42:36 pm
English
GA 1- Raw: low 90s (MHS) -> Scaled: ?
GA 2- Raw: high 90s (MHS) -> Scaled: ?
GA 3- 55/60 (19, 18, 18)
SS: 48
Methods
GA 1- Raw: 95 -> Scaled: 99
GA 2- 40/40
GA 3- 77.5/80
SS:50
Specialist
GA 1- Raw: 98 -> Scaled: 98
GA 2- 39.5/40
GA 3- 75/80
SS: 45
Post by: dpagan on December 31, 2013, 04:24:46 pm
GA1- Raw 97 scaled to 99
GA2- Raw 95 scaled to 98
GA3- 55/60 (20,18,17)
SS: 48
Specialist Maths:
GA1- Raw 99 scaled to 97
GA2- 39/40
GA3- 71.5/80
SS: 42
Classical Greek (lol)
GA1- 49/50
GA2- 49/50
GA3- 83/100 (which was a bloody B+ :( )
SS: 34 (scaling helped so I won't complain)
Post by: psyxwar on December 31, 2013, 04:28:57 pm
GA1: 92 raw (MHS) scaled to 99
GA2: 92 raw (MHS) scaled to 100
GA3: 205/220
SS: 48
Post by: evelyn96 on January 01, 2014, 01:16:27 pm
GA 1- Raw: 92/100 -> ?
GA 2- Raw: 99/100 -> ?
GA 3- 60/60
SS: 50
Post by: kevviinn95 on January 01, 2014, 06:34:34 pm
GA 1- 80/100
GA 2- 98/100
GA 3- 50/60 (18, 17, 15)
SS: 41
Post by: Edward21 on January 01, 2014, 11:05:50 pm
Raw Unit 3 88/100 --> 94/100 (dat scaling!)
Raw Unit 4 94/100 --> 98/100
19, 20, 18.
SS 48
Post by: Special At Specialist on January 01, 2014, 11:35:58 pm
GA1: 74/100 -> 65/100
GA2: 80/100 -> 67/100
GA3: 30/60 (10, 8, 12)
SS: 28
Gotta love how an A at TAFE scales down to a C+ :P
Post by: abcdqdxD on January 02, 2014, 09:06:24 pm
GA1: 99 raw
GA2: 97 raw
Exam: 85/90
SS 47
Post by: stolenclay on January 02, 2014, 09:12:50 pm
GA1: 96/100 -> 100/100 (pretty strong cohort, eh)
GA2: 40/40
GA3: 79/80
SS: 50
Post by: lzxnl on January 07, 2014, 06:06:11 pm
GA1: 96~100 (LOL)
GA2: 40/40
GA3: 77/80
SS 49
Physics
GA1: 69~70/70
GA2: 95~100/100 (LOL)
GA3: 291/300
SS 49
Chemistry
GA1: 100/100
GA2: 100/100
GA3: 228/240
SS 50 (huh? I dropped six marks on that exam...as if it's still a 50)
English Language
GA1: 100~99/100 (aw damn)
GA2: 95~99/100 (LOL)
GA3: 141/150
SS 50
Huh? 70.5/75 is a 50...wow...
Post by: Scooby on January 07, 2014, 07:48:12 pm
Just want to add I did not lose more than 1 mark for any question, so one assessor kept giving me full marks and the other taking one mark off (alternating between questions, I assume). Shows how picky/lack of clear, consistent marking criteria there is for humanities subjects.
Yeah, that happens with a lot of subjects, especially Bio from my experience
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 09:15:59 pm
I got 91/110 for biology, 2 marks off an A+ and I only got 38?? Why didn't I get 39???
Post by: Dreamweaver on January 08, 2014, 09:22:10 pm
Hey guys need some help here:
I got 91/110 for biology, 2 marks off an A+ and I only got 38?? Why didn't I get 39???
Cohort maybe?
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 09:26:07 pm
Post by: LastOfUs on January 08, 2014, 09:27:46 pm
P.S. How do you get a 'statement of marks' people?
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 09:35:19 pm
Why are you so mad? You can't change anything and you found your marks out like a month ago and a 38 is a great score / shouldn't tell your brother not to do it because you lost marks.You go to the VCAA website, print out a sheet and fill out some details, costs like $20.
P.S. How do you get a 'statement of marks' people?
You're right I can't change anything, should look to change the future. Also I heard that in chemistry/physics markers 'give you marks', unlike biology where they want to take them off.
Post by: itsdanny on January 08, 2014, 09:38:43 pm
You go to the VCAA website, print out a sheet and fill out some details, costs like $20.
I'm so fuc**** pissed, I missed out by 1.8% and the marking was horrendous. In four questions, one marker gave me full marks while the other gave me none, I lost 8 marks because of that, EIGHT.
Also I heard that in chemistry/physics markers 'give you marks', unlike biology where they want to take them off.
It doesn't matter what you hear, every year there is bound to be a different examiner that may get your paper and it is up to their discretion on what they give you. Don't forget that if there is a huge discrepancy between the two examiners, a third examiner comes in and this continues on until an amicable resolution is arrived upon. So it is always safe to assume that examiners are there to give you marks; they actually want to help you.
Post by: 2NE1 on January 08, 2014, 09:46:30 pm
Biology
GA1: 92 raw (MHS) scaled to 99
GA2: 92 raw (MHS) scaled to 100
GA3: 205/220
SS: 48
would you happen to know the exam mark range for the Biology Exam that got you a 48?
Post by: psyxwar on January 08, 2014, 10:20:56 pm
FU** I was so close. Looking at the statement of marks, for FOUR questions both markers gave me different marks, one gave me full and the other gave me none. Biology is the most stingy fking subject ever, if I had two markers that marked the same I could have got 98/110. On the other hand, if I had two markers that marked harshly, I would have got like 84/110 and not 91. Far out biology not going to recommend my lil bro in doin git.Yeah, I lost like 5-6 half marks... pretty dodgy, but there's nothing you can do about it.
would you happen to know the exam mark range for the Biology Exam that got you a 48?They didn't say, but considering how competitive it is at the top end I'd think you scored around the same as me, give or take one.
Post by: psyxwar on January 08, 2014, 10:45:31 pm
How do you know if one marker gave you full marks and the other gave you none?Yeah that's what we got as well for bio. I think he means losing half marks. eg. question is worth 4, but doublemarked so its out of 8. If you get 7/8 obviously one assessor gave you 3 and the other 4.
On my statement of marks, I only got what the two assessor gave me combined. Eg. 8/10 meant anything from (4/5; 4/5); (5/5, 3/5) etc.
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 10:59:38 pm
Yeah that's what we got as well for bio. I think he means losing half marks. eg. question is worth 4, but doublemarked so its out of 8. If you get 7/8 obviously one assessor gave you 3 and the other 4.Yeah, for two four mark questions I got 3/4, so obviously one marker has given me 1 mark and the other 2. And then a couple of two mark questions I got 1/2, so one marker gave me the mark while the other didn't.
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 11:19:09 pm
Oh; sorry I removed my response (cuz I thought after it was quite unnecessary) before you got to respond.
But that still doesn't explain how Rod knew that one assessor gave him 0 marks and the other 8 marks for one question. I mean if, like you say, Bio SOM scores are combined one can only speculate if the marks were 4 and 4; 3 and 5; 2 and 6 etc...
Plus, Rod if are complaining about 'half marks" I got 8 "half marks" taken off for my 3/4 (ie. lost all of my 8 marks over 8 separate questions) showing that for writing/expression type subjects (like Bio, Eng, Commerce subjects) inherent subjectivity exists. But ultimately, I think this inconsistency is "balanced out" in that if the assessor who gave you no marks for that question continued in the following questions to be an tightass in marking your paper (compared to the other 'nicer' assessor) your marking would be reviewed by a third assessor who will try to get your mark to within three marks of either of the assessors. This means your exam score was actually verified by at least two assessors.
Yeah all good I'm kind of over it now :). But I still have one more query in regard to my SS, I was 2 marks away from the 40 SS and I got 38, does that mean the 39ers of bio all got 92? Unlikely... My cohourt couldn't have brought me down because my SACS for each GA got scaled up by 15 marks.
Thanks for all the help guys! Hope you are all having a wonderful holiday, good luck for this year :)
Tl;dr VCAA humanities/writing subject marking =not infallible but in the end, you get roughly what you are worth (in terms of your skill etc.)
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 11:20:48 pm
Oh; sorry I removed my response (cuz I thought after it was quite unnecessary) before you got to respond.
But that still doesn't explain how Rod knew that one assessor gave him 0 marks and the other 8 marks for one question. I mean if, like you say, Bio SOM scores are combined one can only speculate if the marks were 4 and 4; 3 and 5; 2 and 6 etc...
Plus, Rod if are complaining about 'half marks" I got 8 "half marks" taken off for my 3/4 (ie. lost all of my 8 marks over 8 separate questions) showing that for writing/expression type subjects (like Bio, Eng, Commerce subjects) inherent subjectivity exists. But ultimately, I think this inconsistency is "balanced out" in that if the assessor who gave you no marks for that question continued in the following questions to be an tightass in marking your paper (compared to the other 'nicer' assessor) your marking would be reviewed by a third assessor who will try to get your mark to within three marks of either of the assessors. This means your exam score was actually verified by at least two assessors.
Tl;dr VCAA humanities/writing subject marking =not infallible but in the end, you get roughly what you are worth (in terms of your skill etc.)
What do you mean by one marker giving me 8 marks and the other none? I said nothing like that... There were no questions in the exam that were even worth a total of 8 marks :P :)
Post by: psyxwar on January 08, 2014, 11:20:56 pm
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 11:23:31 pm
What do you mean 40 cutoff? A+ is not a 40. You could get 3 A+s and still get a 38.Ohh god I'm so confused. Doesn't a 93/110 put you in the top 9% in the state???? So woudn't you get 40 if you got 93??
Post by: psyxwar on January 08, 2014, 11:29:21 pm
Ohh god I'm so confused. Doesn't a 93/110 put you in the top 9% in the state???? So woudn't you get 40 if you got 93??A 40 is top 9% as far as I know (it's definitely not top 10), and besides, it's not the only assessment there is.
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 11:34:41 pm
A 40 is top 9% as far as I know (it's definitely not top 10), and besides, it's not the only assessment there is.I'm still confused, sorry, I don't get you.
So yes, I know to get a 40 you need to be within the top 9% in the state. The statement of study score shows that an A+ cut off is 93/110, isn't that also the 40 SS cut off?
Sorry for all these questions....
Post by: psyxwar on January 08, 2014, 11:38:11 pm
I'm still confused, sorry, I don't get you.If I recall correctly:
So yes, I know to get a 40 you need to be within the top 9% in the state. The statement of study score shows that an A+ cut off is 93/110, isn't that also the 40 SS cut off?
Sorry for all these questions....
A+ = top 10% of the state
40 = top 9% of the state
But even if they were equal, getting an A+ on the exam doesn't guarantee a 40, since you have 3 graded assessments (with the exam being weighted 60%)
Post by: Rod on January 08, 2014, 11:43:56 pm
If I recall correctly:Yep I fully understand now! Thank you psyxwar!
A+ = top 10% of the state
40 = top 9% of the state
But even if they were equal, getting an A+ on the exam doesn't guarantee a 40, since you have 3 graded assessments (with the exam being weighted 60%)
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 10:01:27 am
Post by: vashappenin on January 09, 2014, 10:06:38 am
Post by: Yacoubb on January 09, 2014, 11:26:55 am
GA1: A+ (93 scaled to 99)
GA2: A+ (94 scaled too 100)
GA3: A+ (101/110).
Study Score: 47
Post by: Edward21 on January 09, 2014, 06:30:04 pm
Post by: lzxnl on January 09, 2014, 06:33:47 pm
I've decided I really need to order my statement of study score for chemistry, I just have to know what happened to my SAC marks haha, I will pay the $9.10! I already got the statement of marks but I may as well find out as much as I can while I've got the option, when's the latest you can order them? Was it February?
Mine came in like four days including the weekend. The latest is Feb 14 to apply.
Post by: Edward21 on January 09, 2014, 08:46:35 pm
Mine came in like four days including the weekend. The latest is Feb 14 to apply.Feb 14, how romantic of VCAA..
Post by: Rod on January 09, 2014, 08:56:59 pm
I've decided I really need to order my statement of study score for chemistry, I just have to know what happened to my SAC marks haha, I will pay the $9.10! I already got the statement of marks but I may as well find out as much as I can while I've got the option, when's the latest you can order them? Was it February?It was probably this:
GA 1 : 100/100
GA 2: 100/100
GA 3: 120/120 (is that what chem is out of???) XD
Post by: Edward21 on January 09, 2014, 10:17:17 pm
It was probably this:
GA 1 : 100/100
GA 2: 100/100
GA 3: 120/120 (is that what chem is out of???) XD
Haha GA 3: was actually 115.5/120 :P I just want to know the scaling for the SACs
Post by: Bubblybubbles96 on January 15, 2014, 08:33:21 pm
Post by: abcdqd on January 15, 2014, 10:05:41 pm
any1 have any idea for the cut-off scores for methods just wondering? dropped 11 marks for certain and got better than expectedExam 1 A+: 36/40
Exam 2 A+: 61.5/80
Post by: Bubblybubbles96 on January 15, 2014, 10:27:52 pm
Post by: PhishPhillets on January 29, 2014, 10:59:10 am
English
GA 1- Raw: 88->93
GA 2- Raw: 62->72 (woow)
GA 3- 43/60
SS: 37
Methods
GA 1- 100->100
GA 2- 36/40 (wat?)
GA 3- 72.5/80
SS:45
Specialist
GA 1- 99->99
GA 2- 38/40
GA 3- 76/80
SS: 45
Post by: jonoz0r on January 29, 2014, 08:28:24 pm
GA 1 - Raw: 95 -> 100
GA 2 - Raw: 97 -> 100
GA 3 - 194/200
SS: 50
Revolutions
GA 1 - Raw: 91 -> 92
GA 2 - Raw: 100 -> 94 ( :( )
GA 3 - 120/160
SS: 40
Post by: PhishPhillets on January 30, 2014, 12:31:30 pm
Post by: Zealous on January 31, 2014, 09:33:37 pm
SpecialistUgh. I'm aiming around there for specialist. Feels like I'm doing further again where every little mark counts.
GA 1- 99->99
GA 2- 38/40
GA 3- 76/80
SS: 45
Btw, I am getting my statement of study score for both methods and further (my two 3/4's last year) and I'll post my results once I get them if anyone is interested. (Just got back from a holiday and submitted the form last Saturday)
Post by: PhishPhillets on February 03, 2014, 03:27:45 pm
My exams didn't go as well as I wanted it to (I wanted at least one perfect score in an exam this year :( ), but I'm glad my SAC marks got scaled up nicely.
Post by: sjayne on February 03, 2014, 04:19:57 pm
GA1: 74-> 73 A
GA2: 78-> 74 A
GA3: 111/160 A (a54/80, b57/80)
SS: 34
Further maths
GA1: A+
GA2: 70/80 A
GA3: 89/120 B+
SS: 38
Bit upset that my history sacs scaled down :/ and that 80% of my further marks lost were in networks or silly mistakes.
Post by: Scrono13 on February 03, 2014, 04:42:12 pm
Post by: Zealous on February 03, 2014, 07:15:06 pm
Does anyone know why my unit 3 SACs scaled up, but my unit 4 SACs scaled down? (HHD)Was there a big difference between your SAC scores? If your unit 3 score was low, and your unit 4 score was high, the scaling could bring them closer to a middle point.
Further Mathematics
GA1: 96 ~> 100
GA2: 80/80 (40/40)
GA3: 120/120 (60/60)
Study Score: 50
What a big surprise! =p
Mathematical Methods (CAS)
GA1: 95 ~> 100
GA2: 74/80 (37/40)
GA3: 155/160 (77.5/80)
Study Score: 48
I lost more marks on Exam 1 than Exam 2... interesting...
Post by: Edward21 on February 03, 2014, 07:48:15 pm
Was there a big difference between your SAC scores? If your unit 3 score was low, and your unit 4 score was high, the scaling could bring them closer to a middle point.I can already tell your ATAR is going to be insanely good if you do well enough this year! ;D
Further Mathematics
GA1: 96 ~> 100
GA2: 80/80 (40/40)
GA3: 120/120 (60/60)
Study Score: 50
What a big surprise! =p
Mathematical Methods (CAS)
GA1: 95 ~> 100
GA2: 74/80 (37/40)
GA3: 155/160 (77.5/80)
Study Score: 48
I lost more marks on Exam 1 than Exam 2... interesting...
Post by: Scrono13 on February 03, 2014, 08:09:21 pm
Was there a big difference between your SAC scores? If your unit 3 score was low, and your unit 4 score was high, the scaling could bring them closer to a middle point.
My unit 3 sacs went from 99 to 100, whilst my unit 4 sacs went from 99 to 96
Post by: lzxnl on February 03, 2014, 10:07:44 pm
Post by: Yacoubb on February 03, 2014, 10:59:57 pm
Post by: Stick on February 12, 2014, 12:52:40 pm
Post by: 2NE1 on February 12, 2014, 07:25:52 pm
I sent a Statement of Marks application for my VCE English examination last Thursday by email and it still hasn't arrived. Is this normal?
Yes, mine took like a week and a half to arrive so don't stress!
Post by: Stick on February 13, 2014, 03:49:37 pm
Total exam score: 52/60 (A+)
Study Score: 46
Section A: Text Response - 17/20
Section B: Context - 20/20 (wtf o_o)
Section C: Language Analysis - 15/20
Post by: mad_maxine on February 13, 2014, 06:32:37 pm
English
Total exam score: 52/60 (A+)
Study Score: 46
Section A: Text Response - 17/20
Section B: Context - 20/20 (wtf o_o)
Section C: Language Analysis - 15/20
20/20 for context pwoahhhh you clever cookie!!! :) And good job all round, too!!
Post by: saraoj on February 14, 2014, 03:07:15 pm
Post by: drake on February 14, 2014, 03:35:52 pm
Post by: Zealous on February 14, 2014, 04:01:31 pm
Got my statement of marks and achieved 60/60 on the English exam (I got a 50 study score)! What are my chances of getting a Premier's award given that I did not achieve full marks on SACs?Did your SACs scale upwards to 100?
I'm assuming premiers go to those who had the highest weighted total for their study score. (So the highest total after the GAs have been weighted and SACs scaled etc.)
I'm personally hoping for a Premiers for Further, but so many people get 50... at least I had a decent maths GAT score as well as maximum GA's if that does anything to my chances.
Post by: saraoj on February 14, 2014, 04:57:27 pm
Post by: chasej on February 15, 2014, 03:00:10 am
Got my statement of marks and achieved 60/60 on the English exam (I got a 50 study score)! What are my chances of getting a Premier's award given that I did not achieve full marks on SACs?
It's sort of a lottery involving GAT results and stuff for the English premiers. Were you rank 1? If so your SACS should have been scaled to full marks as well, meaning if you alright in the GAT writing section you're in with a pretty good chance.
Post by: mad_maxine on February 15, 2014, 09:45:21 am
Post by: Zealous on February 15, 2014, 09:55:08 am
I've got my statement of marks back for legal. How can you tell what sac scores scaled to? Where does it tell you?The Statement of Marks shows you the marks you received for every question.
If you want to see your scaled SAC score, you need to get a Statement of Study Score which goes through how your SS was calculated.
Post by: mad_maxine on February 15, 2014, 10:02:57 am
The Statement of Marks shows you the marks you received for every question.
If you want to see your scaled SAC score, you need to get a Statement of Study Score which goes through how your SS was calculated.
Sorry, I meant I got my statement of study score. I actually got both :)
Post by: chasej on February 15, 2014, 01:54:06 pm
Sorry, I meant I got my statement of study score. I actually got both :)
On the study score statement there should be the words "Yours scores in x and the associated calculations are as follows" towards the bottom of the page.
Under that you see Courework Unit 3, Coursework unit 4 and the examination (for most subject). For SACs you can see it lists a school score (i.e. the raw score), and a final score i.e. the scaled score.
Post by: mad_maxine on February 15, 2014, 02:03:13 pm
On the study score statement there should be the words "Yours scores in x and the associated calculations are as follows" towards the bottom of the page.
Under that you see Courework Unit 3, Coursework unit 4 and the examination (for most subject). For SACs you can see it lists a school score (i.e. the raw score), and a final score i.e. the scaled score.
Oh ok, thanks!! I think I was just confused coz the scores stayed the same... It was 100 and 100 for ga1 and ga2, but I expected it to go down because I was in a weakish cohort. Maybe it's a ranking thing? I dunno.
Dumb question, but what do the standardised score and weighting X standardises score columns mean? Can't make sense of any of it..
Post by: chasej on February 15, 2014, 03:16:35 pm
Oh ok, thanks!! I think I was just confused coz the scores stayed the same... It was 100 and 100 for ga1 and ga2, but I expected it to go down because I was in a weakish cohort. Maybe it's a ranking thing? I dunno.
You must have been rank 1 and full marked the exam? congrats.
don't know about any of the standardised score things unfortunately.
Post by: mad_maxine on February 15, 2014, 04:32:24 pm
You must have been rank 1 and full marked the exam? congrats.
don't know about any of the standardised score things unfortunately.
Thanks :) Yes, was rank 1 but unfortunately didn't full mark the exam. Still happy tho :D
Post by: Zealous on February 15, 2014, 04:56:27 pm
Dumb question, but what do the standardised score and weighting X standardises score columns mean? Can't make sense of any of it..Study scores and graded assessments with large enrollments have results which usually follow a bell curve.
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Spoiler
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Most students will score in the middle (that's why it's highest there), some students will score very high (to the right end of the bell curve) and some students will score very low (to the left of the bell curve).
You receive a standardised score for each graded assessment task of your VCE subject.
A standardised score of 0 means that your result was exactly the average of all scores. A standardised score of 1 means that your result was higher than approximately 84% of the state (if I can still do further lol).
You'll get 3 standardised scores for each GA, which will then be weighted then totalled to get your final weighted score, which will then be used to give you a study score.
Hopefully that quick explanation makes sense.
Post by: mad_maxine on February 15, 2014, 05:38:05 pm
Study scores and graded assessments with large enrollments have results which usually follow a bell curve.
image:Spoiler(http://andihammer.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/6a00d834525fff69e20133ecf35c3d970b-800wi.gif)
Most students will score in the middle (that's why it's highest there), some students will score very high (to the right end of the bell curve) and some students will score very low (to the left of the bell curve).
You receive a standardised score for each graded assessment task of your VCE subject.where x is your result.
A standardised score of 0 means that your result was exactly the average of all scores. A standardised score of 1 means that your result was higher than approximately 84% of the state (if I can still do further lol).
You'll get 3 standardised scores for each GA, which will then be weighted then totalled to get your final weighted score, which will then be used to give you a study score.
Hopefully that quick explanation makes sense.
Wow yeah!!! Thanks for that, I've been enlightened :) :) :)
It makes so much more sense now, I didn't know how everything fit together before but what you said makes it so much easier to understand :D thanks heaps!!!
Btw +1 if I could!!!
Post by: swagsxcboi on February 24, 2014, 08:56:31 pm
Biologygg psyxwar
GA1: 92 raw (MHS) scaled to 99
GA2: 92 raw (MHS) scaled to 100
GA3: 205/220
SS: 48
Biology
GA1: 91 raw (MHS) scaled to 99
GA2: 83 raw (MHS) scaled to 98
GA3: 204/220
SS: 47
:-\