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VCE Stuff => VCE Business Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE Business Management => Topic started by: ngRISING on July 17, 2009, 07:48:19 pm
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hey guys, i was wondering is it possible to achieve a 50 IF i have lost 12 marks for unit 3 [ 88/100 ] . i screwed up my very first sac as it was my first business sac ever [ yep i didnt do it last year =S ] . thanks guys.
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All that matters in SACs is your ranking within your cohort rather than the mark itself (so if everyone happened to screw that first SAC up too, then you'll be fine). However, without knowing your ranking, it's hard to tell. The strength of your cohort is also an important factor as that contributes to what your actual SAC mark will become.
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88/100. i am sitting at 6th or 7th in my year level, been asking all the smart kids.
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Mmm...I guess it's up to the strength of your cohort then. It's still quite possible to get a 50 ranked around 6th or 7th in some schools.
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nope it all about the exam u can get 100% in ur sacs but den screw up ur exam and ur sac mark will get draged down to ur exam mark. i had sac average of 86 (highest in the class but dnt think in the school) over the 2 units but then got an A+ in the exam and got 45 which was highest in the school.
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and ur sac mark will get draged down to ur exam mark
Not true AFAIK. Otherwise there'd be no point doing SACs. The discrepancy is simply because you out-performed everyone else on the exam.
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All that matters in SACs is your ranking within your cohort rather than the mark itself (so if everyone happened to screw that first SAC up too, then you'll be fine). However, without knowing your ranking, it's hard to tell. The strength of your cohort is also an important factor as that contributes to what your actual SAC mark will become.
Oh wow really, so if I lose 20-30 marks TOTAL in spec but still are ranked no. 1 (out of 5 in the cohort) I shouldn't give up on the exam because I could still score a 45+
Sorry for the thread jacking :)
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Yep pretty much. The marks themselves are irrelevant as the difficulty of SACs varies between schools.
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I'm top of my year level at the moment for business as i found out last week.. so if I get like 2 marks off 100 percent for the exam does that mean i can still get a 50 or do I have to get full marks for the exam as well?
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A question regarding the study score:
Just say I am ranked 4th or 5th in my cohort of about 90 students, with an aggregate internal score of 46.5/50. I get a 47/50 on the exam (which is the highest mark for the exam in my cohort). What could my possible study score be?
Cheers.
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Yep pretty much. The marks themselves are irrelevant as the difficulty of SACs varies between schools.
Little bit off topic but what if your SACs are different between classes? I know in my school some teachers gave different sacs to their classes but they were all then standardised to the same marking scheme. Is your ranking then based on how you performed in your class, or against the whole school. If it is the latter doesn't that defeat the whole purpose of the ranking system when the sacs within a school were of varying difficulty?
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Like that guy on 'The pursuit of happiness' said 'Be safe..score 100'
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hey
if i got 97/100 for unit 3, 96/100 for unit 4
and i got 58/60 for the exam
could i still get 50???
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i believe so, if your coming from a strong cohort. shinny got something along those lines, but his from MHS, a beastly cohort.
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My business teacher said to me that you cannot drop a mark on the exam if you want a 50.
I don't know how factual this is but it sounds right.
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My business teacher said to me that you cannot drop a mark on the exam if you want a 50.
I don't know how factual this is but it sounds right.
I definitely dropped at least a mark, and probably even around 2-3 (especially considering that I didn't get a Premier's award). However, I'm pretty sure someone else got full marks in MHS, and since I was ranked first, I probably received full marks for my SAC mark as a consequence.
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I dropped approximately 3 marks on the exam, with full mark sacs and scored 48.
My sacs would have scaled down a couple of marks though, since I would have gotten my exam score as approximate sac score.
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I dropped approximately 3 marks on the exam, with full mark sacs and scored 48.
My sacs would have scaled down a couple of marks though, since I would have gotten my exam score as approximate sac score.
wah. i am probaly in the same situation. my cohort is relatively weak. 70-80 people do bm. about 10-15 get over 90. about 4-5 people including myself in the 95th percentile. guess i will aim not to lose a mark.
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Yeah, my cohort was quite weak too. Approximately 75 students, only 5 scored over 40 I think. The next highest was 41.
However I'm sure that you can achieve a 50 with a good exam result! :) Your cohort seems stronger than mine was, and keep in mind that although I'm pretty sure it was around 3 marks lost, I could have lost more. It's kinda difficult to self mark BM, by the time solutions came out I'd forgotten what I'd written! :P
Good luck!
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My business teacher said to me that you cannot drop a mark on the exam if you want a 50.
I don't know how factual this is but it sounds right.
I definitely dropped at least a mark, and probably even around 2-3 (especially considering that I didn't get a Premier's award). However, I'm pretty sure someone else got full marks in MHS, and since I was ranked first, I probably received full marks for my SAC mark as a consequence.
When you say 2-3 marks do you mean out of 60, out out of 120 once the two assessors have marked it?
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Out of 60. I should've lost 2 marks on a HR question, but maybe 1 if the assessor was lenient. Then yeh, unless EVERYTHING else I did was perfect, I assume I would've lost at least 1 random mark on wording etc.
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hey, i have the highest sac marks in the year level 92/100 for unit 3 and 90/100 for unit 4. The cohort is completely varied, some can be around the 20'3 or 30's but generally the mean is high 60's. How many marks in the exam can i lose in order to get a 40?
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sorry for the jack
A for sacs at an elite APS school
and i got 55/60 on the last praccy?
perform at 55/60 on the exam what should i expect? please say 45...
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pshh i thought wellington secondary college students will never get a study score close to 50..apparently i heard 47 was the highest...
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/business-management/story-e6frf8yo-1111115143294
Avakian, Varujan, Wellington Secondary College Mulgrave. . 47 . she probaly got full marks but the weak cohort dragged her sacs score down
another instance in our dux. candy cheng. idk how to spell it.
she slept in her exam as she finished early. she comes from china. probaly a beast at methods as it is. probaly got full marks but cohort dragged her down.
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/special-reports/mathematical-methods/story-e6frf8rf-1111115144591
she received a 48. ask ian how beast she is
hence i believe 47 is the highest for bm last year due to our cohort being a dud. they were playing cards before the exams LOL! .
this year our cohort is slightly stronger but still a dud, people still get a 50% for bm. hence i don't think 50 is achievable, but i still want to try. thats why i stated 50 is likely impossible because i read as well as hearing from ian that the cohort screwed her up. probaly a 48/49 will be doable since we have a few major tanks. the sky is the limit.
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It's possible dude. Look at Mao his school was ranked 489th out of 511 schools with a media study score of 24, yet he received a 50 in Chemistry and equally insane scores.
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It's possible dude. Look at Mao his school was ranked 489th out of 511 schools with a media study score of 24, yet he received a 50 in Chemistry and equally insane scores.
Not to mention premier's award. It's definitely possible (mathematically anyway)
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It's possible dude. Look at Mao his school was ranked 489th out of 511 schools with a media study score of 24, yet he received a 50 in Chemistry and equally insane scores.
lol. our dux received full scores for methods, if not lost a mark. is that the reason why she received 48? . if so i must be wrong.
deepest apologies, but i still stick with what i believe for now. unless someone pulls out that 50 from my school.
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It's possible dude. Look at Mao his school was ranked 489th out of 511 schools with a media study score of 24, yet he received a 50 in Chemistry and equally insane scores.
lol. our dux received full scores for methods, if not lost a mark. is that the reason why she received 48? . if so i must be wrong.
deepest apologies, but i still stick with what i believe for now. unless someone pulls out that 50 from my school.
They would have been an outlier. Full marks in SAC's do not get scaled if you score the highest exam mark as well. So if they didn't lose a mark like you say then they would have gotten a 50. Clearly they lost marks and are bullshitting you
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It's possible dude. Look at Mao his school was ranked 489th out of 511 schools with a media study score of 24, yet he received a 50 in Chemistry and equally insane scores.
lol. our dux received full scores for methods, if not lost a mark. is that the reason why she received 48? . if so i must be wrong.
deepest apologies, but i still stick with what i believe for now. unless someone pulls out that 50 from my school.
Do you actually know those exam scores for a fact? Or are you just assuming. If she was ranked first in the school and did get those exam marks, there's no possible way that I can see that she wouldn't get a 50.
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It's possible dude. Look at Mao his school was ranked 489th out of 511 schools with a media study score of 24, yet he received a 50 in Chemistry and equally insane scores.
lol. our dux received full scores for methods, if not lost a mark. is that the reason why she received 48? . if so i must be wrong.
deepest apologies, but i still stick with what i believe for now. unless someone pulls out that 50 from my school.
They would have been an outlier. Full marks in SAC's do not get scaled if you score the highest exam mark as well. So if they didn't lose a mark like you say then they would have gotten a 50. Clearly they lost marks and are bullshitting you
lol. or that. hmmph. i guess your right. but if anyone loses bm atm will not get a 50. correct. coming from a weak cohort?
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It's possible dude. Look at Mao his school was ranked 489th out of 511 schools with a media study score of 24, yet he received a 50 in Chemistry and equally insane scores.
lol. our dux received full scores for methods, if not lost a mark. is that the reason why she received 48? . if so i must be wrong.
deepest apologies, but i still stick with what i believe for now. unless someone pulls out that 50 from my school.
Do you actually know those exam scores for a fact? Or are you just assuming. If she was ranked first in the school and did get those exam marks, there's no possible way that I can see that she wouldn't get a 50.
i've been told that she 'ripped' it, but that doesn't define anything. so i guess you guys are right.
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i've been told that she 'ripped' it, but that doesn't define anything. so i guess you guys are right.
Well coming from a cohort where people are expected to underachieve, someone getting a 40+ is amazing. It's the same at our school last year's dux got 5 scores above 40 (not massively above 40, between 40-44) and got a 98.
Guess it's all relative...
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but since everyone has lost sac marks in BM at where i come from, that 50 is ridiculously hard to get right?
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but since everyone has lost sac marks in BM at where i come from, that 50 is ridiculously hard to get right?
Well I'm not too sure, I was under the impression that if you are ranked number 1 at your school and perform flawlessly in the exam you can still get a 50. But it all depends how how many marks you've lost to get number 1. (Number 1 rank with 10 or so marks lost won't get you a 50 unless you are in a good cohort)
Not entirely sure if that's correct, I just do the exams and wait for the score heh
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but since everyone has lost sac marks in BM at where i come from, that 50 is ridiculously hard to get right?
Well I'm not too sure, I was under the impression that if you are ranked number 1 at your school and perform flawlessly in the exam you can still get a 50. But it all depends how how many marks you've lost to get number 1. (Number 1 rank with 10 or so marks lost won't get you a 50 unless you are in a good cohort)
Not entirely sure if that's correct, I just do the exams and wait for the score heh
sounds about right. shinny got 88/100 for unit 3 and managed to pull off a 50 coming from a relatively deadly cohort. lol. good idea. feel to lazy to do anymore prac exams. haha xD
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but since everyone has lost sac marks in BM at where i come from, that 50 is ridiculously hard to get right?
Well I'm not too sure, I was under the impression that if you are ranked number 1 at your school and perform flawlessly in the exam you can still get a 50. But it all depends how how many marks you've lost to get number 1. (Number 1 rank with 10 or so marks lost won't get you a 50 unless you are in a good cohort)
Not entirely sure if that's correct, I just do the exams and wait for the score heh
sounds about right. shinny got 88/100 for unit 3 and managed to pull off a 50 coming from a relatively deadly cohort. lol. good idea. feel to lazy to do anymore prac exams. haha xD
My raw score doesn't matter, SAC raw scores never do. I'm pretty certain I was ranked 1 at MHS, and because of that, my end-SAC mark would have been likely to been full marks.
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what score could i get with an overall SAC score of 193/200, if i got an A+ in my exam?
ps. my cohort is pretty average....out of 120 students only 5 or 6 get close to full marks for sacs
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39-50
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39-50
wow what a massive range....personally i want the 50 lol
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generally low/mid A+ below 45, high A+ above 45
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generally low/mid A+ below 45, high A+ above 45
and what would the range be for the exam out of 60?
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50.5/60 based on last year.
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with a A+ for unit 3 (95/100) and A+ for unit 4 (100/100 - full marks) wat kind of exam mark would i need to get a 42+ plus (i also have a very average cohort)
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from what i reckon. a low A+. . i am probaly wrong.
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with a A+ for unit 3 (95/100) and A+ for unit 4 (100/100 - full marks) wat kind of exam mark would i need to get a 42+ plus (i also have a very average cohort)
i'd say around 52/60 (lowish A+), although this is just an estimation
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high A+ above 45
gonna try really hard to get the high A+ today cos i want above 45 to push up my enter