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Title: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: ChickenCh0wM1en on May 16, 2014, 11:02:53 am
GAMSAT RESULTS ARE OUT GOOD LUCK TO EVERYoNE!!! :)
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Starlight on May 16, 2014, 11:06:30 am
GAMSAT RESULTS ARE OUT GOOD LUCK TO EVERYoNE!!! :)

Hope you dd well! Was not expecting to do well and I didn't unfortunately.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Starlight on May 16, 2014, 11:14:41 am
DW man, you plannign to sit the gammy in sept? :) I'm probably going to do that.
I got decimated by section 1. That pulled me down heaps of marks :( fml

Section 2 was my worst by far. Maybe but i'm not certain whether there's even a point for me to sit it in september with such little preparation time.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 11:20:44 am
Yeah I'm sitting in a lecture right now and I don't think I'll open it until I go home but I think I did badly anyway
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 11:23:13 am
Doubt it BUT I'M SURROUNDED BY SO MANY PPLZ :'(

There's always GAMSAT UK though!
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: jinny1 on May 16, 2014, 11:27:47 am
When you get your ATAR score, comparing scores on ATARnotes makes you feel stupid.

When you get your GAMSAT score, comparing scores on PagingDr makes you feel stupid.

Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Starlight on May 16, 2014, 11:28:48 am
When you get your ATAR score, comparing scores on ATARnotes makes you feel stupid.

When you get your GAMSAT score, comparing scores on PagingDr makes you feel stupid.



I think I would be a lot more dissapointed if I had actually been expecting to do well on the gamsat though.
I win the award for worst S2.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 11:32:46 am
Much like AN though, I doubt those who got bad scores would post their scores on pagingdr. Really looking only at the cream of the crop there.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: jinny1 on May 16, 2014, 11:37:44 am
Much like AN though, I doubt those who got bad scores would post their scores on pagingdr. Really looking only at the cream of the crop there.

Yea i guess some people like to show off lol.

There are people on the UoM exam results thread who only have like 5 total posts and all of them are in the results thread to show their 90+ marks -.-
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vea on May 16, 2014, 11:57:00 am
Ah got my lowest score out of 3 sittings, really choked in s3 this time round. Guess I'll be using my UK results to apply..

Hoping others did better!
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: jinny1 on May 16, 2014, 11:59:56 am
Ah got my lowest score out of 3 sittings, really choked in s3 this time round. Guess I'll be using my UK results to apply..

Hoping others did better!

Wow, i sat the GAMSAT once and nearly died of exhaustion...

Can't imagine what it would be like to sit it 3 times :O
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 12:06:45 pm
Turns out my score was better than expected (cheers Science) but writing can be improved quite a bit.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: jinny1 on May 16, 2014, 12:10:58 pm
Turns out my score was better than expected (cheers Science) but writing can be improved quite a bit.

TELLLL USSSSSSSS!!
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 12:11:39 pm
I got 67 overall, so idk my chances for an interview
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: jinny1 on May 16, 2014, 12:12:39 pm
I got 67 overall, so idk my chances for an interview

That's an awesome score! I think you can definitely get an interview easy.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Dedicated on May 16, 2014, 12:17:02 pm
61-68-69   Overall 67 Improved on section 2 got worse on section 3
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 12:19:07 pm
Standard GAMSAT, Melbourne weighted would bring it down to something like 64-65.

Going to resit it and improve on my S2 score though. I think exam pressure got to me there.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Starlight on May 16, 2014, 12:20:30 pm
Those results are great, congratulations guys.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vea on May 16, 2014, 12:26:16 pm
It surely does feel exhausting thinking about those summer holidays spent revising instead of being outside like everybody else! Pretty strange that my highest score came from the sitting in which I studied least (September GAMSAT was smack bang in the middle of sem 2 week 8 with all its MSTs). I will never understand the GAMSAT and hopefully will not ever have to ever again.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vea on May 16, 2014, 12:28:39 pm
Also, just for measure, 6.7 GPA and 67 Melb weighted GAMSAT were the average scores for interview offers at Melb last year so that it definitely not a bad score for a first sitting.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 12:28:56 pm
vea, did you spend most of your time writing essays and doing Des for GAMSAT UK? I think I'll just go through the ACER papers and try to find more essays.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vea on May 16, 2014, 12:36:13 pm
Yeah I did and the essays have definitely paid off with each sitting but for some reason (performance issues on the day?) my science scores have actually been decreasing a bit each time. My S1 score has been siting on the same number for the past 3 sittings over the past year and I have actually been reading a lot more articles on The Age and other places to improve my reading comprehension but don't seem to be able to make any improvement there.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 02:53:29 pm
Yeah I did and the essays have definitely paid off with each sitting but for some reason (performance issues on the day?) my science scores have actually been decreasing a bit each time. My S1 score has been siting on the same number for the past 3 sittings over the past year and I have actually been reading a lot more articles on The Age and other places to improve my reading comprehension but don't seem to be able to make any improvement there.

I stopped reading literature because I didn't think it was helping me that much. I guess it really depends on the passages as well.

How did you manage to balance GAMSAT UK with uni? I had a pretty hard time juggling GAMSAT AUS with only three weeks of uni already LOL.

Apparently last year they interviewed 125% of available spots rather than 150%, so even though the average was higher you had a higher chance of getting an CSP/BMP/FFP offer I suppose
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Russ on May 16, 2014, 03:10:11 pm
When you get your ATAR score, comparing scores on ATARnotes makes you feel stupid.

When you get your GAMSAT score, comparing scores on PagingDr makes you feel stupid.



PagingDr is horrible at the best of times, at results time it's even worse. Just stay away for a while. Good luck for all those getting their results :)
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: MelonBar on May 16, 2014, 04:40:43 pm
Seeing everyone talk about their results makes me regret not sitting gamsat back in march. I haven't had a chance to start prep for the uk one, hope it's not too late to have a good crack at it. good luck to those waiting to find out
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vea on May 16, 2014, 04:51:24 pm
I stopped reading literature because I didn't think it was helping me that much. I guess it really depends on the passages as well.

How did you manage to balance GAMSAT UK with uni? I had a pretty hard time juggling GAMSAT AUS with only three weeks of uni already LOL.

Apparently last year they interviewed 125% of available spots rather than 150%, so even though the average was higher you had a higher chance of getting an CSP/BMP/FFP offer I suppose

Yeah I wasn't sure how much the reading was actually helping me but the results show that they didn't do much help lawl. As for studying for GAMSAT during uni, I tried to set myself realistic goals such as getting an essay done per week, revising a couple topics of science per week and stuff. Also helped that there was a week or so period right before the GAMSAT where I was free of assessments and able to completely neglect uni in favour of GAMSAT :P

Where did you hear this about them interviewing 125% of applicants rather than 150%? This is good news to me since I thought that 6.7 and 67 being the 'average' for interview offers would mean that they are the lower quartile scores for people who actually get a med offer.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 05:19:58 pm
I was lurking on the MD 2014 admissions chat on pagingdr and one of the posters asked someone from MDHS how many people they interviewed, and they said 125% of places.

Median would be a better stat to look at as we do see a lot of smartasses applying to Melbourne (the amount of 75+ scores I've seen on the offers thread homg).

I was thinking for my study plan:

Mid-July, begin writing essays and start with Des material (10 units of Des from each of the books per day)
August, concentrate on finishing Des and keep writing essays, while devoting more attention to uni (prob will spend like 5-6h a week on GAMSAT)
Late August/September, ACER.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vea on May 16, 2014, 05:49:49 pm
That sounds like a good plan. If possible, try to form some sort of study group where you can help each other out with the discussion of essays, hard science questions and such. I definitely owe a lot to my friends for giving me ideas on s2 in particular. You should have no problem finding other motivated biomed kids! :)
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: MelonBar on May 16, 2014, 05:52:25 pm
Anyone keen for study group?
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vox nihili on May 16, 2014, 07:03:52 pm
Is a 66 normal weighted and a 65 Melbourne weighted cause for concern?

I'm talking CSP here too I might add. I'm not the Sultan of Brunei so I can't afford FFP.

I've seen that much info lately about what's good and what's bad and everyone I know seems to be getting in the 60s and fuarrrrk I don't understand any of it.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 16, 2014, 08:44:10 pm
Is a 66 normal weighted and a 65 Melbourne weighted cause for concern?

I'm talking CSP here too I might add. I'm not the Sultan of Brunei so I can't afford FFP.

I've seen that much info lately about what's good and what's bad and everyone I know seems to be getting in the 60s and fuarrrrk I don't understand any of it.

That should be fine for rural candidates.

60-69 seems to cover 60th-95th percentile so that's probably people you know are getting in the 60s. It's a pretty huge range
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vox nihili on May 16, 2014, 10:13:45 pm
I think you're in a pretty good position. If I'm not mistaken, you are rural right? If so, you will be fine!
That should be fine for rural candidates.

60-69 seems to cover 60th-95th percentile so that's probably people you know are getting in the 60s. It's a pretty huge range

Thanks! :) You're quite right, I am indeed from the country. Apparently living amongst the sheep has its perks...
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: kaybee94 on May 17, 2014, 01:24:05 am
would you guys recommend purchasing des o neill books? i got a score of low 60s and i want to increase it to high 60s-low70s
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: simpak on May 17, 2014, 02:09:45 am
Congrats to everyone getting GAMSAT results.
I can't brave PD right now (I actually just got home from uni, yes it is 2am) but I am curious about the percentile curve this year if anyone has a figure?
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 17, 2014, 09:03:11 am
would you guys recommend purchasing des o neill books? i got a score of low 60s and i want to increase it to high 60s-low70s

Yes, I found S3 helpful for training my reasoning skills. It has a lot of questions on things you haven't studied before so it forces you to use all the information given and apply it.

S1 however is a mixed bag, answers are pretty vague. But more practise questions, the better.

Congrats to everyone getting GAMSAT results.
I can't brave PD right now (I actually just got home from uni, yes it is 2am) but I am curious about the percentile curve this year if anyone has a figure?

I'm too lazy to go on the computer but here's a snap from my phone.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: simpak on May 17, 2014, 02:11:59 pm
Awesome, thanks for posting! 
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Hehetymen on May 17, 2014, 02:20:49 pm
With a 6.5-6.6 GPA and 65 GAMSAT (64 UMelb) do I have a shot at Melb/Deakin/Monash for CSP or BMP? Like a decent shot, not a minimum requirements and hope you get lucky shot. Will probably get 2% bonus I think.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: simpak on May 17, 2014, 02:40:10 pm
With a 6.5-6.6 GPA and 65 GAMSAT (64 UMelb) do I have a shot at Melb/Deakin/Monash for CSP or BMP? Like a decent shot, not a minimum requirements and hope you get lucky shot. Will probably get 2% bonus I think.

I wouldn't be confident with a GPA below 7 unless I had a GAMSAT above 70.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: kaybee94 on May 17, 2014, 02:57:48 pm
Yes, I found S3 helpful for training my reasoning skills. It has a lot of questions on things you haven't studied before so it forces you to use all the information given and apply it.

S1 however is a mixed bag, answers are pretty vague. But more practise questions, the better.

Is it better to just get the green series for science rather than both?
How accurate are these sorts of things at describing entry criteria? http://pagingdr.net/info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207:2014-entry-minimum-scores&catid=56:gpa-and-offer-criteria&Itemid=109
is the value for melbourne uni seems a bit low since the impression i get from reading on this forums are that people need to get crazy gamsat and gpa  ??? :o
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 17, 2014, 04:03:17 pm
With a 6.5-6.6 GPA and 65 GAMSAT (64 UMelb) do I have a shot at Melb/Deakin/Monash for CSP or BMP? Like a decent shot, not a minimum requirements and hope you get lucky shot. Will probably get 2% bonus I think.

You might claw into an interview for Melbourne but you would need a killer interview to get a CSP. If you did get a place with an average interview, you would either get BMP or FFP.

You have a higher chance or getting a CSP at Deakin though, pretty competitive.

Are you biomed for monash? Cause if you're a science kid like at Melbourne, you can't get into the Monash PG Med anymore due to their changes :'(
http://med.monash.edu.au/medical/gippsland/mbbs-pathways.html

I think with a ~6.5GPA and 65 Gammy you have a good shot at Deakin. With regards to Melbourne, I think you're borderline or in the lower proportion of other applicants. If you ace the interview, anything can happen though!

PS. I'm tossing up whether to do the gamsat again next year or in september. I didn't score too well (54 in S1) and this is what resulted in relatively average score. I kind of want to just take one more shot at it but I'm split on whether to risk taking it next year (and if I do crap again) I won't have many options open to me. But at the same time if I take the UK gammy how could I improve my S1 score in the meantime? :(

Thanks! :)

Do both GAMSAT UK this year and GAMSAT AUS next year. Focus on S1 a lot in both times.

How did you study for S1?

Is it better to just get the green series for science rather than both?
How accurate are these sorts of things at describing entry criteria? http://pagingdr.net/info/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=207:2014-entry-minimum-scores&catid=56:gpa-and-offer-criteria&Itemid=109
is the value for melbourne uni seems a bit low since the impression i get from reading on this forums are that people need to get crazy gamsat and gpa  ??? :o

That value is the minimum entry requirement. It is probably too low for a CSP or BMP and doesn't say whether it took into account rural students

I reckon a GPA/7 + GAMSAT/100 combo of 1.62 is probably competitive for a CSP, for non-rural candidates.

And as for Des I have no idea what he puts in his Green book since I didn't have it. I had a blue revision book and a red MCQ book.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vox nihili on May 17, 2014, 04:22:28 pm
I know Deakin gives you an extra 2% if you're rural (and an extra 2% on top if you live in Geelong), but does Melbourne actually give any sort of extra benefit for rural applicants? I can't find anything that says it on the website, can anybody point me to it? :)
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Russ on May 17, 2014, 04:24:01 pm
I know Deakin gives you an extra 2% if you're rural (and an extra 2% on top if you live in Geelong), but does Melbourne actually give any sort of extra benefit for rural applicants? I can't find anything that says it on the website, can anybody point me to it? :)

Nothing tangible (ie no 2% specified). You can submit a grad access application and they'll take it into consideration.

I wouldn't be confident with a GPA below 7 unless I had a GAMSAT above 70.

Wut :O
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Shenz0r on May 17, 2014, 05:36:19 pm
I wouldn't be confident with a GPA below 7 unless I had a GAMSAT above 70.

I thought 6.8 GPA and 68+ Melbourne weighted would give you a good shot at the CSP. There are some people on PD who have like 70-80+ GAMSAT scores, even though there is <5% percentile difference so that might have pulled up the average GAMSAT for an interview. The median GAMSAT for an interview might be lower, seeing as how more people will have GAMSAT scores at around mid to high 60s. This is all...random speculation though.

Thanks for your reply Shenz0r.
I wasn't sure how to study for S1 (I hate poetry and reading passages). I just did a few Des MCQs and tests, but scored ranging from 48%-75%. My brain just switches off when it comes to those passages/poems. :(
How did you go for it? How did you study for it?

EDIT: I will sit both if I have to but it just costs so bloody much :(

I got 62 for S1, which I was expecting before the test. I went through Des and used to get pretty crappy scores for its tests (43-50/75) or something, although there was one where I got 56/75. I also did some of Examcrackers, did something like eight tests but didn't finish the book.

I also did the ACER tests as well, and for some reason did much better on those than the Des' test.

I did have a vocab list which I added to on my phone, and occasionally I'd revise using flashcards. I also did look cartoons (espesh from New Yorker) and randomly wrote what I thought about the cartoons. Did the same for poems but it didn't help much, I got more out of poems by spamming questions from ACER and Des.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vox nihili on May 17, 2014, 05:42:44 pm
Nothing tangible (ie no 2% specified). You can submit a grad access application and they'll take it into consideration.

Cheers, Russ!
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: simpak on May 17, 2014, 06:01:39 pm
Wut :O

Because the person asked about confidence and not 'having a chance'.  I'm just saying I would want to be 'in the clear' before I decided not to take the GAMSAT another time.  Of course I would apply if it were time and I had that score but I wouldn't think 'wow now I don't have to do the GAMSAT in third year because I'm definitely guaranteed a place' is what I'm kind of saying...
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Hehetymen on May 17, 2014, 06:41:36 pm
My combo will be about 1.59 for every other uni and 1.58 for Melb. If I get the 2% then it will be around 1.61 for Melb and 1.62 for Deakin.

Seeing as how it seems I'm most likely to get an interview for Deakin (note pretty sure I also qualify for Monash cos I'm doing Biomed) should I preference:

1. Deakin
2. Melb
3. Monash

So if I get an interview at Deakin but aren't good enough, I can get passed to Melb? Whereas if I had Melb first and got Deakin straight away then Melb isn't even an option. Don't mind CSP or BMP, would just rather stay in Vic tbh.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: pi on May 17, 2014, 06:49:06 pm
Just going to put it out there, but Deakin's clinical curriculum is terrible unless you're quite into Ortho or something. Instead of Med/Surg like most unis, they do Med/Surg/MSK. Furthermore, their Year 3 is a combination of Monash's (and UoM's?) first two clinical years, so it is VERY full on. Another thing to note is that to my knowledge, not all of their clinical students get to be in hospitals all the time either.

(source: my clinical site is shared with a handful of Deakin students, some of which wished they had chosen Monash or UoM instead)
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Russ on May 17, 2014, 07:04:35 pm
My combo will be about 1.59 for every other uni and 1.58 for Melb. If I get the 2% then it will be around 1.61 for Melb and 1.62 for Deakin.

Seeing as how it seems I'm most likely to get an interview for Deakin (note pretty sure I also qualify for Monash cos I'm doing Biomed) should I preference:

1. Deakin
2. Melb
3. Monash

So if I get an interview at Deakin but aren't good enough, I can get passed to Melb? Whereas if I had Melb first and got Deakin straight away then Melb isn't even an option. Don't mind CSP or BMP, would just rather stay in Vic tbh.

You don't get 2% bonuses for UoM afaik.

Preference the university you want to go to first. If your GPA/GAMSAT was good enough to get you an interview at Deakin but not UoM, it is a very low percentage chance that you'll both be passed on from Deakin and be good enough to get a UoM spot. Far more likely, you'll get an offer from Deakin since it's your first preference.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Hehetymen on May 17, 2014, 07:10:52 pm
You don't get 2% bonuses for UoM afaik.

Preference the university you want to go to first. If your GPA/GAMSAT was good enough to get you an interview at Deakin but not UoM, it is a very low percentage chance that you'll both be passed on from Deakin and be good enough to get a UoM spot. Far more likely, you'll get an offer from Deakin since it's your first preference.

Ahh right yeah I thought grad access added 2% but just reread it. Also considering honors to boost my GPA but not sure if I'll like honors.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: simpak on May 17, 2014, 07:51:31 pm
Honours won't boost your GPA for UoM anymore.  By the time you apply you won't have done enough credit points to have it count towards your GPA whatsoever.  And it's extremely stressful.  Would not recommend doing Honours to boost anything, especially your ego.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: Hehetymen on May 17, 2014, 07:59:01 pm
Honours won't boost your GPA for UoM anymore.  By the time you apply you won't have done enough credit points to have it count towards your GPA whatsoever.  And it's extremely stressful.  Would not recommend doing Honours to boost anything, especially your ego.

Well crap if I could just remove my first year scores my GPA would be very competitive. And yeah that's why I was hesitant on honors. Guess my choice is made for me tho.

Could you explain why it won't boost GPA anymore?
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: vea on May 17, 2014, 08:06:10 pm
Most honours students receiver their results at the end of the year and so the GEMSAS application which closes late May will not be able to take into account these results.
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: simpak on May 17, 2014, 10:06:49 pm
Sure, I'll show you from the GEMSAS guide:
"For applicants enrolled in an Honours program in 2014, Semester 1 results will not be used in the provisional GPA if they do not equate to at least 0.375 EFTS Load in that semester. In these instances the provisional GPA will be calculated on the Final -1 and Final -2 GPA."

So in UoM Hons projects you would have two subjects (0.250 EFTS) and then the rest of your study is comprised of the research project (0.750 EFTS).  Even if you have results for the first two subjects by the time provisional GPAs are calculated you'll only have results for 0.250 EFTS load - the research component won't yield any results until December and by that time offers will have already been decided!
Title: Re: GAMSAT 2014 discussion thread
Post by: MelonBar on August 04, 2014, 07:22:52 pm
Hey guys. Is there a reason why the Irish Gamsat seems to be neglected. I only realized today there is a testing centre in Melbourne, which you could opt for if you want to study med/dent etc the following year instead of waiting for Gamsat Au to come round again.