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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: Special At Specialist on June 03, 2014, 12:02:05 am
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Hey everyone! I was wondering roughly what my chances are of getting a midyear transfer into The University of Melbourne.
I got an 88.50 ATAR, went to an underrepresented school in 2012, then did another VCE subject in 2013, also an an underrepresented school.
Currently I'm studying a BSci at RMIT, in my first year, but I want to transfer into either BCom or BSci at UoM. I live in the city now (no longer in the rural area where my parents live), my parents are poor and I receive basically the maximum allowance that Centrelink gives anyone.
What am I being judged by? I haven't done any university exams yet, so I'm assuming they'll just judge me by my VCE scores? If so, am I still eligible for all the SEAS I would've received in 2012 and 2013? Can I get SEAS for being financially disadvantaged? Is it still possible for me to get Access Melbourne and get in based off my ATAR score? How hard are midyear transfers to get and what do you think my chances are?
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Give this a read. Check the 'Indicative Entry Standards'. I'm assuming you've looked this up however, but I'll link it anyway.
http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/applications/other-applications/mid-year-entry/mid-year_entry_ug-dom
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Give this a read. Check the 'Indicative Entry Standards'. I'm assuming you've looked this up however, but I'll link it anyway.
http://futurestudents.unimelb.edu.au/admissions/applications/other-applications/mid-year-entry/mid-year_entry_ug-dom
So it basically says they're going to wait until my semester 1 scores come out before considering me for an offer? And I need a 75% average (or 93 ATAR) to get in to BSci (not even going to think about BCom as I know an 85% average is impossible for me already).
Maybe I was better off just doing nothing for 6 months so that I could reapply and not have to have my university scores taken into account...
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Hey everyone! I was wondering roughly what my chances are of getting a midyear transfer into The University of Melbourne.
I got an 88.50 ATAR, went to an underrepresented school in 2012, then did another VCE subject in 2013, also an an underrepresented school.
Currently I'm studying a BSci at RMIT, in my first year, but I want to transfer into either BCom or BSci at UoM. I live in the city now (no longer in the rural area where my parents live), my parents are poor and I receive basically the maximum allowance that Centrelink gives anyone.
What am I being judged by? I haven't done any university exams yet, so I'm assuming they'll just judge me by my VCE scores? If so, am I still eligible for all the SEAS I would've received in 2012 and 2013? Can I get SEAS for being financially disadvantaged? Is it still possible for me to get Access Melbourne and get in based off my ATAR score? How hard are midyear transfers to get and what do you think my chances are?
Unfortunately having completed VCE twice could be disadvantageous when you undergo selection even if you do fulfill the 75% average criteria. A midyear transfer can be quite competitive but a strong showing in your midyear exams can definitely guarentee you a spot. No matter what happens you should definitely not just "do nothing" and continue with your current course. With enough hard work opportunities can open up everywhere.
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Unfortunately having completed VCE twice could be disadvantageous when you undergo selection even if you do fulfill the 75% average criteria.
They look at that? Sounds quite unfair.
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Should also point out the GPA will be UoM converted...which means there is a reduction applied to your study. If you take a subject score as being 1.00 (or 100%) then you need to divide it by 1.08 to determine the Melb Uni converted score. So a score of 75 at RMIT would be converted to a 69 for UoM entry purposes.
But also keep in mind that the tertiary scores for entry on that website are indicative only.
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Is this because only Go8 schools do full credit swaps? Seems a bit unfair to those trying to transfer in.
No. This is for any university that isn't Melbourne.
It also includes exchange study so it's affected my GPA too!
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Geez that's harsh :-\ Whereabouts did you go on exchange? I was considering it but if it messes up your WAM/GPA then it might be a bit of a risk...
I went to Penn, which is ranked like x higher than UoM in the world. I think Penn is like 15 and Melb is like 30 something. The supposed rule is that if your uni isn't in the top 100 you get an extra 5% docked off the total average for your GPA calculation but don't quote me on that part - there is some additional reduction if your university doesn't rank highly internationally in research. The best you can do at another uni, even with 100% is a 92% score when it gets converted. However, this is only ever relevant if you want to do postgrad study for which entry is INTERNALLY ASSESSED by Melbourne University. The JD might fall under that umbrella - do you know if they use SGPA, or another GPA calc system?
For eg. if you're applying to Med the same reductions do not apply - the GPA will be assessed under a different system.
And if you're applying for a job with your exchange transcript your employer can just see what the university in question gave you, and judge for themselves.
Melbourne won't state the reduced grades on your Melbourne transcript - it only becomes relevant when you apply for something like a PhD scholarship, Honours, etc (all of the things I'm applying for lulz). Also Engineering would be affected.
Nobody tells you about this shit before you go on exchange, and I feel like they should have to. For eg I probs wouldn't have taken third year classes o/s if I had known because those credits count towards my PhD scholarship applications and I could have done better than a 92 here (what the two third year subjects I have will be counted as). However, overall it only brings down my GPA around 1-2% which isn't too big a deal. I would never just /not/ go on exchange because of the reductive GPA policies. It's definitely, definitely worth it - even if your scores do count a little less. You need to keep in mind that Melbourne grades very harshly anyway - if you go o/s it's often much easier to get 100% in subjects. 80% in American universities is usually like a B, not a H1. 80% converted back would therefore come in around a H3. But if you're getting 80s here, you're often capable of 90s or more there, with the same amount of work. Just depends on how much work you're willing to put in on exchange. With exchange you can often win out with the 'overlap' stuff that comes with it - eg when I took genetics there was a lot of overlap with our own first year genetics shit which meant I could ace it without studying it pretty much. Choose your subjects wisely and the GPA thing becomes less ridiculous.
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Yup, UPenn, although it's rarely called that over there! I was just CAS though (College of Arts and Sciences) and I didn't take any Wharton subjects or anything, I've never been interested enough in business and economics 3: I took a cool breadth while I was there though!
It's definitely a good thing to do, going on exchange, no matter which school you go to. You always get asked about it in interviews and people like hearing about what you got out of it. I'm not sure about the options for environments but lots of schools, particularly in the US, have 'general' agreements which means they should take environments students. However I can imagine it would be difficult to find subjects that can be credited towards Env degrees here; you could try taking on a larger proportion of breadth whilst overseas though. You should make an appointment with MGM and they will help you choose the right kind of schools to suit your degree!
The application process is an absolute fucking nightmare - it's not straightforward at all. It's super stressful, you have to do heaps for it during exam times and swotvac and shit like that too (as in keep getting subjects approved). Someone also told me that they abolished email-only approval too, so now you apparently have to get everything approved in person by visiting the person in charge of that subject area...which is a bit ridiculous, especially when they're not even around. It's all worth it in the end though! I promise!
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simpak goddamnit your spiel makes me sorely want to go on exchange :( :( :(
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No, no more complexities are allowed to be added to your degree Oakley.
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The application process is now online and is so much easier. I decided I wanted to go on exchange Sem 1 next year one week ago, and I've pretty much got everything sorted now. Granted, I've done this before when I applied last year so I knew what to do and how to go about it.
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Should also point out the GPA will be UoM converted...which means there is a reduction applied to your study. If you take a subject score as being 1.00 (or 100%) then you need to divide it by 1.08 to determine the Melb Uni converted score. So a score of 75 at RMIT would be converted to a 69 for UoM entry purposes.
But also keep in mind that the tertiary scores for entry on that website are indicative only.
Well that screws me over completely. There's no way I can get an 81% average this semester unless I get practically 100% in every exam, which realistically isn't going to happen.
Is my SEAS going to help me at all? Any sort of boost in my scores for going to 2 underrepresented high schools and for being financially disadvantaged? And is it easier for me to get an end of year transfer, or are the requirements still the same?
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Well that screws me over completely. There's no way I can get an 81% average this semester unless I get practically 100% in every exam, which realistically isn't going to happen.
Is my SEAS going to help me at all? Any sort of boost in my scores for going to 2 underrepresented high schools and for being financially disadvantaged? And is it easier for me to get an end of year transfer, or are the requirements still the same?
Dude don't worry about the 1.08 conversion thing. Some chick (got ~93 ATAR) from my school got 78% avg at Monash Uni (For comm mid year transfer the indicative transfer requirement is 85%) for her first semester and transferred into Comm at Melbourne last year.
Don't count yourself off. With end of year transfers, they look purely at your uni marks (no ATAR involved).
Do your best and see what happens.
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It's probably easier at the end of the year just because there are more places since nobody has a place 'already' if you get what I mean?
As I said, the scores on the website are indicative only not true cut-offs. Just like Chicken has told you above, don't give up before you even start trying. I'm just letting you know in case you get like a 79 average and wonder why it didn't get you a place in the end.
And also because all of this is elitist/should be public knowledge really, so just for everyone to know.
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Results came out on Monday and I surprisingly managed to get an 81% average (which will get scaled down to 75% I'm assuming). On Friday I can log into VTAC to see whether I get an offer or not. If I do manage to get into UoM, I'll get an extra one week of holidays (RMIT starts on the 21st, UoM starts on the 28th). If I get rejected, I'll have less than 3 days to prepare for my classes at RMIT. I don't like this short notice :(
I'll update this on Friday with whatever the outcome is...
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Results came out on Monday and I surprisingly managed to get an 81% average (which will get scaled down to 75% I'm assuming). On Friday I can log into VTAC to see whether I get an offer or not. If I do manage to get into UoM, I'll get an extra one week of holidays (RMIT starts on the 21st, UoM starts on the 28th). If I get rejected, I'll have less than 3 days to prepare for my classes at RMIT. I don't like this short notice :(
I'll update this on Friday with whatever the outcome is...
Good luck! It's heartening to see someone so determined to reach a goal.
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Good luck !
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I got accepted into Commerce at UoM!!! Holy shit I didn't think this was possible :D
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I got accepted into Commerce at UoM!!! Holy shit I didn't think this was possible :D
Amazing! Well done mate, you got there :D
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I got accepted into Commerce at UoM!!! Holy shit I didn't think this was possible :D
Welcome to Commerce :)
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I got accepted into Commerce at UoM!!! Holy shit I didn't think this was possible :D
Congrats man, your hard work paid off!
Welcome to the amazingly pretentious Commerce family ;)
Nah but seriously, well done dude, keep up the hard work.
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Thanks everyone! You guys supported me all the way. Without your advice, I would never have found out about these back door pathways to Melbourne uni. So thank you :D
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Congratulations on being admitted into the Bcom! If you need any assistance regarding the course then shoot me a PM, I'll be happy to help. :)
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I do have one question: is it possible for me to get into the Actuarial Studies major? I really want to do Actuarial Studies. I was originally planning to do Accelerated Maths 1 at the start of the year, but I went to RMIT instead and they forced me to do calculus 1 (they wouldn't even let me do calculus 2). So now I'm behind in maths :(
Could I wait until next year and then do Accelerated Maths 1 and 2?
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I do have one question: is it possible for me to get into the Actuarial Studies major? I really want to do Actuarial Studies. I was originally planning to do Accelerated Maths 1 at the start of the year, but I went to RMIT instead and they forced me to do calculus 1 (they wouldn't even let me do calculus 2). So now I'm behind in maths :(
Could I wait until next year and then do Accelerated Maths 1 and 2?
I think it is possible, but then you have to think about what subjects you have to in semester 2 this year. I'm currently in the Actuarial Studies course plan, and it is VERY strict, basically you don't get to choose your subjects, they are already chosen for you.
Probably the best thing to do now is complete all the administrative stuff, and then visit the Commerce Student Centre, where they can give you some advice on subject selection so you don't start off on the wrong foot.
Edit: found this bad boy somehow, skip to page 4 for your circumstances http://fbe.unimelb.edu.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0012/789483/StudentsGuide2013_SM2.pdf
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Just wanna say congratulations - i have been on the forums for ages and have seen you working from trying to get a 50 in specialist, to taking a gap year to boost your english score, to not quite getting the atar for melbourne and going to RMIT instead, and then finally getting into your dream course!!
you are good motivation for everyone on here that as long as you keep working towards a goal and do not give up you will get there !!!
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They need your exam results in order to see whether you're "fit" to study here (and I'm sure you are! Keep going buddy). I am surprised though, why haven't you completed your exams yet
Unfortunately having completed VCE twice could be disadvantageous when you undergo selection even if you do fulfill the 75% average criteria.. The semester is over? Or am I just being ignorant?
Woah that's pretty nasty of them :(
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I got accepted into Commerce at UoM!!! Holy shit I didn't think this was possible :D
So proud of you, mate..don't ever think you've fallen behind...I'm almost 22 y.o and still in second year..the most important thing is where you are today and what you want to do tomorrow. Best of luck!
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I couldn't have done this without the help of everyone from AtarNotes!
When I received my scores in 2012, I was quite shattered, because my literature score (below 25) meant that I was ineligible for pretty much all courses at UoM, Monash, RMIT and La Trobe. I got no first round offers and no second round offers.
Someone from AtarNotes suggested that I could repeat English at either TAFE, CAE or Distance Ed. I knew there was a TAFE near my home, and I only had to attend class one day per week, so I went with that option. I got a full-time job doing labour work at a scrap metal yard and I would take Monday afternoons off work to go to TAFE. I ended up scoring a 28 in English, which was just what I needed to pass the prerequisites and open up a lot of options for me. My ATAR also got boosted up above 88, which was the minimum requirement for Access Melbourne entry into BCom.
However, I didn't get Access Melbourne because the only category I applied for was underrepresented school, and that was insufficient for me to be granted entry. My ATAR was 3.5 points too low to get guaranteed entry into BSci at UoM without Access Melbourne.
My options were Science at Monash or Science at RMIT. I went with RMIT because of the location. I had just found a job and accommodation in the city a few weeks before offers were released, and I knew that going to Monash Clayton would mean giving it all up, so I chose RMIT city. I knew the scores I had to aim for for either BSci or BCom at UoM. I was mainly aiming for Science though, because I thought Commerce was out of reach for me.
During all of this, my dad lost his job and I applied for Centrelink. When midyear offers came around, I was able to give my CRN to VTAC as evidence that I was financially disadvantaged, so that boosted up my scores a bit. My university scores were higher than I thought they would be, but still not on par with the indicative scores that UoM recommends to midyear applicants. Nevertheless, with the help of SEAS, I received the BCom offer I was aiming for. And right now, I couldn't be happier :D
Thank you everyone who supported me through my journey to get to my dream university. You are all my heroes :)
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This story is actually amazing, I'm going to have to save it to tell everyone when they say, "I don't think I'll get high enough for my course" or "I didn't get high enough for my course".
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s@s, well done :) your story is one of the best I've seen come out of AN, you're an inspiration to many :)
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Good job Special At Specialist and good luck with your study there :)
It is a touching story:
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I couldn't have done this without the help of everyone from AtarNotes!
When I received my scores in 2012, I was quite shattered, because my literature score (below 25) meant that I was ineligible for pretty much all courses at UoM, Monash, RMIT and La Trobe. I got no first round offers and no second round offers.
Someone from AtarNotes suggested that I could repeat English at either TAFE, CAE or Distance Ed. I knew there was a TAFE near my home, and I only had to attend class one day per week, so I went with that option. I got a full-time job doing labour work at a scrap metal yard and I would take Monday afternoons off work to go to TAFE. I ended up scoring a 28 in English, which was just what I needed to pass the prerequisites and open up a lot of options for me. My ATAR also got boosted up above 88, which was the minimum requirement for Access Melbourne entry into BCom.
However, I didn't get Access Melbourne because the only category I applied for was underrepresented school, and that was insufficient for me to be granted entry. My ATAR was 3.5 points too low to get guaranteed entry into BSci at UoM without Access Melbourne.
My options were Science at Monash or Science at RMIT. I went with RMIT because of the location. I had just found a job and accommodation in the city a few weeks before offers were released, and I knew that going to Monash Clayton would mean giving it all up, so I chose RMIT city. I knew the scores I had to aim for for either BSci or BCom at UoM. I was mainly aiming for Science though, because I thought Commerce was out of reach for me.
During all of this, my dad lost his job and I applied for Centrelink. When midyear offers came around, I was able to give my CRN to VTAC as evidence that I was financially disadvantaged, so that boosted up my scores a bit. My university scores were higher than I thought they would be, but still not on par with the indicative scores that UoM recommends to midyear applicants. Nevertheless, with the help of SEAS, I received the BCom offer I was aiming for. And right now, I couldn't be happier :D
Thank you everyone who supported me through my journey to get to my dream university. You are all my heroes :)
Congratulations on your remarkable achievements to date, and best of luck for the first day of the rest of your life in a week's time on Monday!
I echo your sentiments and congratulations to all of our members for creating such a warm and helpful community to support those making these strides. Definitely warms my heart to see you all help each other reach your goals. This stuff makes me proud and a little teary :)
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Congratulations Special At Specialist!!
What you've achieved is admirable, and a good example for all those who think their life will be over if they don't get X score and get into X course.
There's always a way!
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I honestly have so much admiration for you man. I was shattered when you didn't get the Lit score but thought you'd make it right in after you completed English and what you've done - between labouring, pizza deliveries, and huge quantities of redbull - since the start of last year really has been incredible to e-witness. Really stoked for you in a really weirdly proud kind of way haha. Tops.
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Congratulations dude, I am actually really glad and also happy you were accepted as you're an admirable individual.