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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => University of Melbourne => Topic started by: MelonBar on June 20, 2014, 02:48:04 pm
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I am enrolled in PHYS20009 (Research-based Physiology) for next semester, which i plan to take concurrently with phys20008. but on second thought the slow burn, continuous onslaught style of assessment seems too far and i'm considering replacing it with another level 2 science subject.
specifically i need a subject where more study hours inputted = better grades, so i guess memorization subjects fit the bill eg anatomy, though pref not as intense and screwed up, probably biochemistry and molecular biology (bcmb20002) is the perfect example.
when i swap out of phys20009 i probably won't be able to get in there again cos it's a quota subject, so i might just stay in it if there's nothing else.
thanks for reading
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Biochemical Regulation of Cell Function (BCMB20003) is the second semester continuation of BCMB20002, so that's probably the logical choice. I took it last year and scored a few points higher than I did in BCMB20002, and there was less stress in areas like metabolism because it just builds on what you had learnt previously. Plus, the class size is much smaller than first semester biochem because I don't think it's a prereq for anything (though I could be wrong on that one). If you have any specific questions about it let me know :)
(EDIT: also, the handbook says that Techniques is strongly recommended but honestly, if I can get in the mid-high 80s without taking it, it shouldn't impact on your results much.)
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Phys20009 is a great subject!
Here are the reasons why:
*If you work smartly during the semester, you are most certainly going to be rewarded with a high mark (they showed statistics for how many people received a H1 during the previous semester that I took the subject and it was something like 50% :l Most subjects are like 20% )
*The content that is taught is 90% the same as PHYS20008, so it's really just like doing one physiology subject as opposed to two
*Not many (not sure if any at all) subjects allow you to hand in drafts for the staff to give you written feedback about how you can improve on the assignment for your final submission, PHYS20009 does!
*The lab classes are actually really fun, not boring at all!
* 1 lecture a week!
*The exam is worth 30% and 90% of the exam content is questions repeated from past exams, I found that you could really maximize your marks when you collaborated with other people about possible solutions
I'd reconsider switching the subject! PHYS20009 has been my highest subject mark to date
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PHYS20009 is great, I agree. Don't drop it, it is a really easy subject to do well in!
Especially if you are doing 20008 at the same time :)
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What are your subjects next sem melonbar? I've got phys20008/9 + pharm OR path (can't decide!!!! someone help?!) and I don't know what breadth to do :'(
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Biochemical Regulation of Cell Function (BCMB20003) is the second semester continuation of BCMB20002, so that's probably the logical choice. I took it last year and scored a few points higher than I did in BCMB20002, and there was less stress in areas like metabolism because it just builds on what you had learnt previously. Plus, the class size is much smaller than first semester biochem because I don't think it's a prereq for anything (though I could be wrong on that one). If you have any specific questions about it let me know :)
(EDIT: also, the handbook says that Techniques is strongly recommended but honestly, if I can get in the mid-high 80s without taking it, it shouldn't impact on your results much.)
Seconding this - I took it concurrently with techniques, and there was barely any overlap (a little with BCMB20002.) It's a bit easier then first semester biochem, and it's definitely a subject where study hours in is strongly proportional to the mark.
It's not a prereq for anything, although, speaking from experience, it does make the third year biochem subjects a lot more manageable (as you're already familiar with quite a few of the basic concepts, especially re receptor signalling, chromosome structure and apoptosis.)
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I've also heard great things about PHYS20008. You don't have to work at it nearly as much as other subjects to get a H1, people actually have said to me that 'it's a joke how easy it is'. All it requires is regular effort throughout the semester, so if you don't slack off and leave every assessment to the last minute you will do quite well in it.
What are your subjects next sem melonbar? I've got phys20008/9 + pharm OR path (can't decide!!!! someone help?!) and I don't know what breadth to do :'(
I've done both pharm and path, and I definitely recommend pharm. It was probably one of the best coordinated subjects I've ever done. Check out some of the subject reviews as well, they'll definitely shed some light on what you learn and what's expected of you.
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What are your subjects next sem melonbar? I've got phys20008/9 + pharm OR path (can't decide!!!! someone help?!) and I don't know what breadth to do :'(
I'm enrolled in phys20008, phys20009, living longer and my last subject idk. because i have my major figured out (well either phys, hsf, or neuroscience), i could technically do a breadth in that 4th subject, because then i would have done 7 level 2 science subjects as per graduating reqs. but inner side of me says i should stop being a p00sy and use that slot to do Biochemical Regulation of Cell Function instead of a gpa booster. it's up in the air tbh.
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I'm enrolled in phys20008, phys20009, living longer and my last subject idk. because i have my major figured out (well either phys, hsf, or neuroscience), i could technically do a breadth in that 4th subject, because then i would have done 7 level 2 science subjects as per graduating reqs. but inner side of me says i should stop being a p00sy and use that slot to do Biochemical Regulation of Cell Function instead of a gpa booster. it's up in the air tbh.
That's exactly like my subjects last year, second semester. I did Genes and Genomes for my 4th subject.
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I'm enrolled in phys20008, phys20009, living longer and my last subject idk. because i have my major figured out (well either phys, hsf, or neuroscience), i could technically do a breadth in that 4th subject, because then i would have done 7 level 2 science subjects as per graduating reqs. but inner side of me says i should stop being a p00sy and use that slot to do Biochemical Regulation of Cell Function instead of a gpa booster. it's up in the air tbh.
I guess I've got pretty much the same subjects as you. I did living longer last year!
That's exactly like my subjects last year, second semester. I did Genes and Genomes for my 4th subject.
How did you find genes and genomes? I'm currently enrolled in phys + research based phys + path atm... haven't enrolled in a breadth yet. Do you think doing those 3 in conjunction with genes+genomes is craazy or is it very doable?
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How did you find genes and genomes? I'm currently enrolled in phys + research based phys + path atm... haven't enrolled in a breadth yet. Do you think doing those 3 in conjunction with genes+genomes is craazy or is it very doable?
Idk i'm more a person who would choose a breadth as my fourth subject because of the reduced number of lectures.
I've heard path isn't too bad in terms of being able to do well in it.
Genes & genomes is all MCQ assessment but I think the exam is harder than the MST (for which the MST was almost identical to past exam questions) + I didn't like the second assignment and it is also pretty boring lol.
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Idk i'm more a person who would choose a breadth as my fourth subject because of the reduced number of lectures.
I've heard path isn't too bad in terms of being able to do well in it.
Genes & genomes is all MCQ assessment but I think the exam is harder than the MST (for which the MST was almost identical to past exam questions) + I didn't like the second assignment and it is also pretty boring lol.
Yeh true that! :( Anyone know of any nice sem 2 breadths? I did living longer already :( LOL
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Yeh true that! :( Anyone know of any nice sem 2 breadths? I did living longer already :( LOL
Any of the sports related breadths are the easiest things I have learnt since year 7. They are so easy to do well in.
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Any of the sports related breadths are the easiest things I have learnt since year 7. They are so easy to do well in.
Really Turtle? :D
Which ones may I ask? <33333
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Really Turtle? :D
Which ones may I ask? <33333
turtle endorsed sports coaching. there's a thread about the subject i opened which could be helpful (use search). i'm probably doing it in february. i heard another easy breadth is school experience as breadth, and also 'understanding, knowing and learning' which is about tutoring and has a good subject review.
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BCMB20003 was good. You'll do well if you put the effort in and it's pretty much all memory. I didn't do techniques and didn't feel disadvantaged. The online assessments are easy marks.
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to get a last minute opinion: what's the mood like in the research based phys practicals? All i remember in first year chem pracs was chitting my trousers for 3 hours. is it like that where we have to have reports/ etc by the end of the prac to hand in?
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to get a last minute opinion: what's the mood like in the research based phys practicals? All i remember in first year chem pracs was chitting my trousers for 3 hours. is it like that where we have to have reports/ etc by the end of the prac to hand in?
Noooooooo nothing like the chem ones.
The research ones are really social. If you had a prac in week 2 for example, then your prac write-up would be due either 1 or 2 weeks later (I forget which one but I think it's 2). The write-ups aren't scary, they have 5 or so questions on there that you use your data you've collected from your prac (e.g. blood pressure recordings) and write a response to (where you pretty much just refer to your lecture notes). You work in either a group of 2 or a group of 6 for pracs, so if you grab peoples facebook/ phone number then you can always check with them to see if you recorded all the data you needed from the prac. These pracs are fun, nothing to be scared of- I promise.
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Ok cheers, i decided to do both phys20009 and bcmb20003. For biochemical regulation of cell function - are the tutes recorded like the bcmb20002 ones?
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Hey guys, for third yr subjs, which is better overall:
PHYS30001 cardiovascular health
Phys30008 frontiers
Neur30004 sensation movement and complex function
Biol30001 reproductive phys
Can't decide, Cheers!
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I have not done it,but I think Biol30001 is an awesome subject purely because Geoff Shaw is the coordinator :X:x:X
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Hey guys, for third yr subjs, which is better overall:
PHYS30001 cardiovascular health
Phys30008 frontiers
Neur30004 sensation movement and complex function
Biol30001 reproductive phys
Can't decide, Cheers!
This should probably be in UoM general chat but ah well :)
I chose NEUR30004 (I find the content interesting) and BIOL30001 (I like the forms of assessment)
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turtle endorsed sports coaching. there's a thread about the subject i opened which could be helpful (use search). i'm probably doing it in february. i heard another easy breadth is school experience as breadth, and also 'understanding, knowing and learning' which is about tutoring and has a good subject review.
Found out I can't do sports coaching so looked up a lv 2 one.
Tfw assessment is entirely essays. Nope.
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Ok cheers, i decided to do both phys20009 and bcmb20003. For biochemical regulation of cell function - are the tutes recorded like the bcmb20002 ones?
Yep, it's run pretty much the same as the first semester subject.
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Yep, it's run pretty much the same as the first semester subject.
All you people make BCMB20003 sound so amazing, I'm sorely tempted to enrol in it ;^;
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does anyone know of a science selective ( level 1 or level 2) that is not overly hard, easy to do, or has multiple choice assessment?? I'm planning to replace my breadth with a science subject. No pracs is preferable.
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does anyone know of a science selective ( level 1 or level 2) that is not overly hard, easy to do, or has multiple choice assessment?? I'm planning to replace my breadth with a science subject. No pracs is preferable.
BOTA20004 Flora of Victoria. I know it might not be similar to what you're used to, but it's easy, extremely well-coordinated and run by enthusiastic and friendly staff members, so even if you don't like the course content at all, you'll still have support. The final essay takes a little while but is in no way difficult if you start early ;) The exam was extraordinarily straightforward, as was the first assignment, and the pracs aren't assessed until the exam (and everything you need to know is in the subject manual or on the prac slides they upload). Very non-technical for the most part, too. Just my two cents, but focusing on a single subject also makes it easier to do well in said class. The class runs in February.
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does anyone know of a science selective ( level 1 or level 2) that is not overly hard, easy to do, or has multiple choice assessment?? I'm planning to replace my breadth with a science subject. No pracs is preferable.
Genes and Genomes! Whole course is MCQs...defs an easy H1 :D
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Genes and Genomes! Whole course is MCQs...defs an easy H1 :D
is this subject similar to principle of genetics?
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is this subject similar to principle of genetics?
Slightly greater volume of information but I found the lectures more interesting than principles of genetics. The assessment is very fair and final exam questions tend to be recycled.
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The assessment is very fair and final exam questions tend to be recycled.
I thought the assignment where we had to use the lab computers to analyze a DNA sequence or something was pretty stupid/pointless though.
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I thought the assignment where we had to use the lab computers to analyze a DNA sequence or something was pretty stupid/pointless though.
Haha really? I thought it was kinda cool...tied in well with the tutes from memory. Plus it was easy marks to secure before the exam
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I was going to take GENE20002 instead of PHRM20001 because it looks so easy in comparision. The thing that made me switch to PHRM20001 is that GENE20002 looks so bloody boring :(
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Haha really? I thought it was kinda cool...tied in well with the tutes from memory. Plus it was easy marks to secure before the exam
I just remember being so confused the whole time and witnessing so much cheating.
The thing that made me switch to PHRM20001 is that GENE20002 looks so bloody boring :(
Pretty much.
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I just remember being so confused the whole time and witnessing so much cheating.
LOL yeah I remember seeing a lot of collusion too haha
I was going to take GENE20002 instead of PHRM20001 because it looks so easy in comparision. The thing that made me switch to PHRM20001 is that GENE20002 looks so bloody boring :(
I did both subjects and do agree PHRM20001 was more interesting c.f. GENE20002. But in terms of scoring well with minimal effort, GENE20002 wins hands down IMO
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I did both subjects and do agree PHRM20001 was more interesting c.f. GENE20002. But in terms of scoring well with minimal effort, GENE20002 wins hands down IMO
I tend to panic when I hear something was easier than the other. Was PHRM20001 insanely hard or is GENE20002 just a joke in terms of difficulty? (I'm taking PHRM but kinda worried about how difficult it may get!)
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If GENE20002 is anything like GENE20001 then you might be able to score highly even if you do slack off, since the assessment itself would be quite easy. (Open-book MSTs on the LMS, recycled exam questions, MCQ exams, no pracs, etc)
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Certain other subjects require you to actually appreciate and understand what is presented before they award the mark, such as Principles of Immunology, which has 50% of your total mark based on SAQ/essay questions, where each mark is worth 1% of your total score. I would imagine that scoring full marks on that section in exam conditions to just get the 50% is hard.
But with a subject like GENE20002, churning out an H1 is a lot easier than actually understanding and appreciating the genetics that is, which in my opinion is actually quite hard. Like to extend the knowledge they presented and think more deeply is not an easy thing to do.
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I was thinking of doing PHRM20001 and GENE20002 along with HSF BIOM20002, I don't know if this is a wise idea. Instead of doing breadth, i'm thinking of doing GENE20002, because I can't find an interesting breadth. Would the workload be too much?
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^I wouldn't think so. GENE20002 has no pracs apparently - there's only 3 lectures and 1 problem solving class a week. And apparently a lot of it was covered in MCB as well.
I was thinking of dropping PHRM20001 and falling back to GENE20002 if PHRM20001 + MIIM20002 + HSF is too much.
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I tend to panic when I hear something was easier than the other. Was PHRM20001 insanely hard or is GENE20002 just a joke in terms of difficulty? (I'm taking PHRM but kinda worried about how difficult it may get!)
PHRM20001 is an incredibly well coordinated subject and definitely not insanely hard!
I was thinking of doing PHRM20001 and GENE20002 along with HSF BIOM20002, I don't know if this is a wise idea. Instead of doing breadth, i'm thinking of doing GENE20002, because I can't find an interesting breadth. Would the workload be too much?
Those were the subjects I did in my second year and they were more than manageable. The assessment of GENE20002 isn't very taxing and the course can be crammed in a few days if required. I'd defs recommend PHRM20001 as the pharm component of HSF (~10 lectures) is fairly rushed and seems disjointed if you haven't been exposed to the concepts before.
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Has anyone done SCIE20001 - Thinking Scientifically? It's taught completely online, not sure if it's hard or not though....
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I think the subject is new for this year
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It sounds like it would be a total joke, tho
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My science history at school
Year 8 - Physics, passed; Chem, failed; Biology, failed
Year 9 - Physics, failed; Chem, failed; Biology, failed
Year 10 - Physics, failed; Chem, failed; Biology, failed
Year 11/12 - never touching science again
I wouldn't mind claiming I did a uni science subject!
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How is Scie20001 going? I'm thinking about adding it, but it could be one of those tricky subjects that ends up draining your time if you do it for the wrong reasons.