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Archived Discussion => English Studies => 2014 => Exam Discussion => Victoria => English & EAL => Topic started by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 12:06:24 pm

Title: Section A Discussion
Post by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 12:06:24 pm
How'd you go?! Section A discussion here :)
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Post by: doomdestroyer on October 29, 2014, 01:09:56 pm
How'd you go?! Section A discussion here :)

This was probably my best piece in the exam, got some great analysis down as well as a plethora of quotes, i thought it was a big improvement from my Section A piece in the trial-exam.
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Post by: Jason12 on October 29, 2014, 01:10:55 pm
The Twelve Angry Men topics were relatively easy to write on.
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Post by: myanacondadont on October 29, 2014, 01:11:58 pm
The Twelve Angry Men topics were relatively easy to write on.

Yeah agreed. I did the self-interest one and just had so much to talk about, however I might've deviated from the prompt itself. Uh oh.
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Post by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 01:19:41 pm
I thought the second prompt for 12AM was a bit left-field but would've been a Godsend for a top student as far as integrating cool analysis goes.
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Post by: literally lauren on October 29, 2014, 01:20:07 pm
ii. 'All About Eve is all about appearances.' Discuss.

^all I would have been thinking.
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Post by: ras on October 29, 2014, 01:21:21 pm
Was very happy when I saw that one of the Brooklyn topics was essentially the same essay that I'd written a couple of days ago.

Still managed to stuff it up :)

Ahhh, pressure. Always helping me along.
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 01:23:07 pm
Was very happy when I saw that one of the Brooklyn topics was essentially the same essay that I'd written a couple of days ago.

Still managed to stuff it up :)

Ahhh, pressure. Always helping me along.
Haha, I'm sure it's way better than you expected! I think the Brooklyn topics were pretty generous, just as far as most students would have covered at least one of those prompts in class (as in, lots of people would be familiar with duty, lots of people familiar with opportunity).
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Post by: apoorva1996 on October 29, 2014, 01:24:23 pm
I saw the first 12 angry men prompt and nearly cried tears of joy coz i had done it the night before ahhaha
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Post by: vididid on October 29, 2014, 01:27:16 pm
surprisingly it was not too bad I did A Christmas carol and the first one was actually a do-able question but overall was good, better than the trial exam for sure
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: ras on October 29, 2014, 01:27:30 pm
With Brooklyn I expected they probs wouldn't have put any in that were similar to last year's, but the topics were still very thematic and quite accessible. Just happy that they didn't go with something super specific like 'Eilis is only interested in Tony as a distraction from her roommates.' Kind of disappointed that there wasn't a 'How does...' question though, and super disappointed that even though I know I should have, I didn't put enough in about the text as construction. Mais, c'est la vie!
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Post by: metalfingers on October 29, 2014, 01:27:58 pm
I saw the first 12 angry men prompt and nearly cried tears of joy coz i had done it the night before ahhaha
tears of joy were shed by me when i saw the 2nd prompt after pretty much all my practice essays revolved around the jury being a microcosm of american society
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: Blondie21 on October 29, 2014, 01:28:35 pm
Looool the first Essay topic for Harwood was about a random poem which I don't think anyone studied :|

The second essay topic was PERFECT <3 I'm not 100% happy with my essay but yay it's over!!!
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Post by: PsychoT on October 29, 2014, 01:45:40 pm
The Henry prompts were great, could have written a nice essay regardless of choice.
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Post by: jyce on October 29, 2014, 01:49:51 pm
Hey, does it matter if I forgot to shade the box indicating which text I was writing on for Section A. I probably did do it; I tend to be paranoid. However, I do distinctly remember shading that I was answering topic ii and I wrote the prompt out before I began my essay.

So, am I okay if I forgot? Like, does my exam go to a specific assessor who knows my text, or do all assessors do all texts? I'm worried that my essay for this section won't be marked, and I did really well.

Thanks in advance, and I didn't really know where to post this so sorry if it is in the wrong place.

Hope today went well for everybody.
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Post by: anna.xo on October 29, 2014, 01:53:03 pm
Text honestly killed me..I found both of the ITCOM prompts absolutely terrible.

3/10 come at me </3
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Post by: indkel on October 29, 2014, 01:54:47 pm
Hey, does it matter if I forgot to shade the box indicating which text I was writing on for Section A. I probably did do it; I tend to be paranoid. However, I do distinctly remember shading that I was answering topic ii and I wrote the prompt out before I began my essay.

It's all good, you're fine. They'll figure it out :)
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Post by: literally lauren on October 29, 2014, 01:55:27 pm
Hey, does it matter if I forgot to shade the box indicating which text I was writing on for Section A. I probably did do it; I tend to be paranoid. However, I do distinctly remember shading that I was answering topic ii and I wrote the prompt out before I began my essay.

So, am I okay if I forgot? Like, does my exam go to a specific assessor who knows my text, or do all assessors do all texts? I'm worried that my essay for this section won't be marked, and I did really well.

Thanks in advance, and I didn't really know where to post this so sorry if it is in the wrong place.

Hope today went well for everybody.

Not at all. They scan them first and then send them off to specific assessors, but if they get the wrong one (ie. you had a brain melt and ticked a different text) they just put it in a separate pile and send it to a different assessor who marks your text. No need to worry, you just made VCAA pay an extra few cents for reposting, that's all :)
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: jyce on October 29, 2014, 01:59:31 pm
Phew! Thanks for the reassurance guys. My freak out session was ruining my good vibe over English being all over.  :)
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: Vermilliona on October 29, 2014, 02:24:36 pm
Because the a first Brooklyn prompt mentioned 'characters', I included 2-4 characters in every paragraph and how their actions tied to the idea of that paragraph - ended up being 1800-2000 words. I don't think my sentences were gibbering or anything and everything I included was relevant - do you think the length will work to my disadvantage?
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: Valyria on October 29, 2014, 02:24:54 pm
Ah, will doing 3 relatively large body paragraphs rather than 4 medium sized paragraphs be criticized? Spent so much time on section C that I was torn choosing between 2 discuss/character questions :-\
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Post by: Vermilliona on October 29, 2014, 02:27:32 pm
Also I don't think I shades the little i. or ii. box to indicate which prompt I did, but I discussed/used the words freedom and duty in my intro, will that be ok?
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Post by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 02:30:09 pm
Because the a first Brooklyn prompt mentioned 'characters', I included 2-4 characters in every paragraph and how their actions tied to the idea of that paragraph - ended up being 1800-2000 words. I don't think my sentences were gibbering or anything and everything I included was relevant - do you think the length will work to my disadvantage?
Nah... Knowing the type of stuff you probably mentioned for that prompt you'll probs end up with a 10 :P

Ah, will doing 3 relatively large body paragraphs rather than 4 medium sized paragraphs be criticized? Spent so much time on section C that I was torn choosing between 2 discuss/character questions :-\

Nope! Don't stress it at all!
Also I don't think I shades the little i. or ii. box to indicate which prompt I did, but I discussed/used the words freedom and duty in my intro, will that be ok?
Yeah, I'm sure they know the difference between opportunity and duty! You'll be fine, they'll figure it out.
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: soNasty on October 29, 2014, 02:46:43 pm
i did the second prompt for twelve angry men.... i felt as though this was my strongest piece in the exam..
although im basically so cut at how i did for B and C, this is helping me get through
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 02:50:43 pm
i did the second prompt for twelve angry men.... i felt as though this was my strongest piece in the exam..
although im basically so cut at how i did for B and C, this is helping me get through
What'd you say about it?
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: Paulrus on October 29, 2014, 02:54:18 pm
how much does it matter if i didn't have a conclusion for my text response? i still managed to write everything else to a pretty good level (was really happy with the prompt), but i ran out of time and didn't get to write up a conclusion. how much of an impact would it have?

honestly feeling kinda shattered right now, i spent ages on lang analysis (and ended up with a really shit piece anyway) which meant i just didn't have enough time :\
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: soNasty on October 29, 2014, 02:55:21 pm
What'd you say about it?

I spoke about how the jury is a microcosm for 1950's american society plagued with xenophobia and racial attitudes, the misogyny demonstrated by juror 10 as well as his overtly bigoted demeanour.. umm i mentioned how the weather is a fluctuating medium which promotes juror indifference and potentially polarises the jurors when changing to a non guilty verdict. i spoke about how juror 3's personal attachment to the case stimulated intolerance.. used 'leaping into the breach' and managed to swing in juror 10's 'smart bastards' quote :P
But i dont know, i dont even know if that makes sense lol... oh well what's done is done

Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 02:57:42 pm
how much does it matter if i didn't have a conclusion for my text response? i still managed to write everything else to a pretty good level (was really happy with the prompt), but i ran out of time and didn't get to write up a conclusion. how much of an impact would it have?

honestly feeling kinda shattered right now, i spent ages on lang analysis (and ended up with a really shit piece anyway) which meant i just didn't have enough time :\
It matters a little bit. More than it would in an LA piece, but I'm sure you'll still score a pretty high range response. A mate of mine scored 57/60 in his exam without concluding any of his three essays, so it's all good! Two of my pieces were unfinished for a 56/60. Don't let it stress you out man, you prepped really well, I'm confident you'll score highly :)

(btw I spent literally 90 minutes on LA so cop that)

Moral of the story is: stuff ups happen, and they don't ruin everything.

I spoke about how the jury is a microcosm for 1950's american society plagued with xenophobia and racial attitudes, the misogyny demonstrated by juror 10 as well as his overtly bigoted demeanour.. umm i mentioned how the weather is a fluctuating medium which promotes juror indifference and potentially polarises the jurors when changing to a non guilty verdict. i spoke about how juror 3's personal attachment to the case stimulated intolerance.. used 'leaping into the breach' and managed to swing in juror 10's 'smart bastards' quote :P
But i dont know, i dont even know if that makes sense lol... oh well what's done is done


Sounds mad!
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Post by: christianb on October 29, 2014, 03:17:23 pm
what'd you guys think of the A christmas carol prompts?
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Post by: AmericanBeauty on October 29, 2014, 03:31:37 pm
Can someone please tell me if what I did was OK for text response? I did Wilfred Owen. I am terrible at making topic sentences and ideas up on the spot to match the prompt so if I did ... woo! If not :(

'How do Owen's poems expose the tragedy of war.'

First para - I spoke about the imagery that shows complete character degradation. spoke about bearing witness to debilitating truths of war like 'flesh corrupted lungs' of fallen comrades and shit. I continuously linked it back to 'tragedy.'

Second Para - this is me trying to be complex and go both ways. I said something like 'Owen attempts to romanticise his depictions of war, but in the end the tragedy of war is supreme over all beauty at war.' Then I was speaking about the chronological shift in poems going from like happy environment things like the sun being 'kind' to being 'fatuous' and being more idealistic. As such whilst Owen tries to highlight the goodness in war, tragedy prevails. something like that.

Third paragraph - I spoke about unfortunate circumstances that the speakers of the poems found themselves in, typically forced into positions due to the propagates of the war. I spoke about going to war and dying for their parents being tragic for the soldiers, i spoke about the tragedy of the environment turning against them as soldiers were stuck in 'teeth of traps' and were 'at the bottom (of the hole) of its throat stuck in phlegm' which I made seem unfortunate for soldiers (continuously linking back to the word tragedy). Lastly I wrote about the treatment of soldiers having their humanity omitted by the propagates of the war or by those who 'dealt paws of the war and madness' or some shit. Made it seem like they were misfortunate in their treatment at war.

Is all this on topic? I CONTINUOUSLY linked back to the word TRAGIC and had the word TRAGEDY opened in front of me the whole time in the dictionary. lololol!!!
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Post by: doomdestroyer on October 29, 2014, 03:36:14 pm
Can someone please tell me if what I did was OK for text response? I did Wilfred Owen. I am terrible at making topic sentences and ideas up on the spot to match the prompt so if I did ... woo! If not :(

'How do Owen's poems expose the tragedy of war.'

First para - I spoke about the imagery that shows complete character degradation. spoke about bearing witness to debilitating truths of war like 'flesh corrupted lungs' of fallen comrades and shit. I continuously linked it back to 'tragedy.'

Second Para - this is me trying to be complex and go both ways. I said something like 'Owen attempts to romanticise his depictions of war, but in the end the tragedy of war is supreme over all beauty at war.' Then I was speaking about the chronological shift in poems going from like happy environment things like the sun being 'kind' to being 'fatuous' and being more idealistic. As such whilst Owen tries to highlight the goodness in war, tragedy prevails. something like that.

Third paragraph - I spoke about unfortunate circumstances that the speakers of the poems found themselves in, typically forced into positions due to the propagates of the war. I spoke about going to war and dying for their parents being tragic for the soldiers, i spoke about the tragedy of the environment turning against them as soldiers were stuck in 'teeth of traps' and were 'at the bottom (of the hole) of its throat stuck in phlegm' which I made seem unfortunate for soldiers (continuously linking back to the word tragedy). Lastly I wrote about the treatment of soldiers having their humanity omitted by the propagates of the war or by those who 'dealt paws of the war and madness' or some shit. Made it seem like they were misfortunate in their treatment at war.

Is all this on topic? I CONTINUOUSLY linked back to the word TRAGIC and had the word TRAGEDY opened in front of me the whole time in the dictionary. lololol!!!

All seems good to me except for one thing, I don't think Owen attempts to speak about the goodness of war, his aim in his poems are to reveal the true, brutal nature of war, he has even been quoted in saying that poetry should speak the truth or something like that and is against other war poets who deemed to talk about war as a beautiful thing.
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: AmericanBeauty on October 29, 2014, 03:38:28 pm
All seems good to me except for one thing, I don't think Owen attempts to speak about the goodness of war, his aim in his poems are to reveal the true, brutal nature of war, he has even been quoted in saying that poetry should speak the truth or something like that and is against other war poets who deemed to talk about war as a beautiful thing.

woohoo. I didn't literally say goodness. I meant he beautified the concept of war, but after its overexposure to his elements we see as readers a chronological shift in like the mood of it. I didn't really write that but thats what i was going on about. I think I also said he acts as the personified eyes of the war, and he writes what he sees :P LOL!
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Post by: marsbareater12 on October 29, 2014, 03:39:29 pm
Almost cried of happiness when I saw the Ransom prompts, ngl. Wrote a basic ass essay on it which is disappointing but the prompts were fantab.
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Post by: brenden on October 29, 2014, 03:42:12 pm
what'd you guys think of the A christmas carol prompts?
Pretty good I thought! Original enough not to be boring and blaaargh, but still accessible to most people who studied the text I would say.
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Post by: archenemy on October 29, 2014, 03:44:02 pm
Almost cried of happiness when I saw the Ransom prompts, ngl. Wrote a basic ass essay on it which is disappointing but the prompts were fantab.

really? That's good then xD I thought they were okay, not wonderful but maybe it was cuz I was expecting one on storytelling haha :P
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Post by: AmericanBeauty on October 29, 2014, 03:44:08 pm
I only do war poems but both of the questions were incredibly accessible.

were all the prompts relatively easy or was i just very lucky? Wouldn't it be unfair if I get easy prompts and everyone else gets hard prompts?
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Post by: Bronzebottom64 on October 29, 2014, 03:51:40 pm
I only do war poems but both of the questions were incredibly accessible
were all the prompts relatively easy or was i just very lucky? Wouldn't it be unfair if I get easy prompts and everyone else gets hard prompts?
The first question for Twelve angry Men seemed fairly accessible and was a godsend because I'd done a fairly similar prompt a day or two ago. Was able to draw on ideas from other essays I have written and I think it ended up being about one paragraph different to my practice essay. 😊
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Post by: roger_that14 on October 29, 2014, 03:54:11 pm
Did anyone study "All About Eve"?
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Post by: NathanGauci on October 29, 2014, 04:06:47 pm
Did anyone study "All About Eve"?

I did All About Eve, I did the one on appearance
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Post by: roger_that14 on October 29, 2014, 04:26:32 pm
I did All About Eve, I did the one on appearance

same haha
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Post by: christined on October 29, 2014, 04:33:13 pm
Both the prompts for The Reluctant Fundamentalist were good! Ended up writing on the second one:
'Hamid's ambiguous presentation of the story means that readers can interpret it in very different ways. Discuss.'
;D
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Post by: jyce on October 29, 2014, 04:38:15 pm
Both the prompts for The Reluctant Fundamentalist were good! Ended up writing on the second one:
'Hamid's ambiguous presentation of the story means that readers can interpret it in very different ways. Discuss.'
;D

Yeah I wrote on the second one too; I felt like the first prompt was super boring and basically a description of the novel itself rather than something insightful. What did you write about?
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: lepeter on October 29, 2014, 04:42:41 pm
Sample response for the first Ransom topic - hope you guys wrote well!
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: christined on October 29, 2014, 04:48:55 pm
Yeah I wrote on the second one too; I felt like the first prompt was super boring and basically a description of the novel itself rather than something insightful. What did you write about?

Yeah it seemed like an identity question so other people would have liked it.

I basically wrote about the ambiguous relationship with Changez and the American (so like pathetic fallacy, allegory etc.) then Changez's unreliability and his 9/11 reaction. Then I ended on the ambiguous ending where the reader's prejudices and intepretations are ultimately challenged.

What about you?  :)
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Post by: AmericanBeauty on October 29, 2014, 04:49:38 pm
LOL.

I read ransom as well. if i got that prompt i would have given up, rolled over and died.
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Post by: lolalol on October 29, 2014, 04:51:59 pm
LOL.

I read ransom as well. if i got that prompt i would have given up, rolled over and died.

AMEN haha. I didn't like the Ransom prompts but... it is what it is.
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Post by: DanielJ on October 29, 2014, 04:53:10 pm
Yeah it seemed like an identity question so other people would have liked it.

I basically wrote about the ambiguous relationship with Changez and the American (so like pathetic fallacy, allegory etc.) then Changez's unreliability and his 9/11 reaction. Then I ended on the ending where the reader's prejudices and intepretations are ultimately challenged.

What about you?  :)

I began writing my intro for the first prompt and decided it was too simple, ended up discussing how and why the reader got many interpretations due to the story, focused on interpretations on the American, Changez, and on specific events in Changez story. Felt I discussed answer the prompt well.
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Post by: AmericanBeauty on October 29, 2014, 04:54:38 pm
AMEN haha. I didn't like the Ransom prompts but... it is what it is.

seemed damn hard compared to my one. did you do ransom? How'd you go?
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Post by: lolalol on October 29, 2014, 05:10:10 pm
seemed damn hard compared to my one. did you do ransom? How'd you go?

I did! And I did the second topic. I think there would've been a lot of different approaches how people paragraphed their essays (compared to conflict) so it'll be interesting how everything turns out. Lol. Overall I'm ooookay with it :)

Hope you're satisfied with the exam today!
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Post by: sparked on October 29, 2014, 05:31:43 pm
Wuthering Heights anyone?

Prompt one... MIXTURE of powerful emotions. Thought it went well  :) :)
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Post by: Han123 on October 29, 2014, 05:43:07 pm
really? That's good then xD I thought they were okay, not wonderful but maybe it was cuz I was expecting one on storytelling haha :P

Yeah I thought they weren't too bad either, I was expecting one on storytelling too, or one based on the role of women in the text or something, which I'm glad they weren't!
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Post by: Velo on October 29, 2014, 06:03:42 pm
Wrote on The Thing around Your Neck and did the first prompt. Did anyone else do this?
I only wrote 3 body paragraphs and didnt get my conclusion finished, but overall it was complete.
I discussed that people longed for opportunities and chances, especially overseas to transform their lives.
that people chased their  own wants in order for change in their lives, mentioning for both these paragraphs about Adichies messages about agency and control.
For the last one, I talked about how lives are transformef even when the characters dont long for them, and that acceptance of life is the key message Adichie imputs alongside this.
Does this sound substantial enough for a high mark. im confident in my writing abilities yet I dont know if I explored the prompt enough, considering I wanted 4 body paras but ran out of time.
thanks :)
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Post by: beck31 on October 29, 2014, 06:07:11 pm
Did anybody do the questions on The Complete Maus.
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Post by: kimmilee234 on October 29, 2014, 06:30:35 pm
Almost cried of happiness when I saw the Ransom prompts, ngl. Wrote a basic ass essay on it which is disappointing but the prompts were fantab.

yes! ugh tell me about it! i was paranoid thinking it would be some crazy ass abstract topic since it was its last year but the second topic was a godsend! :'D
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Post by: Maoa on October 29, 2014, 06:55:07 pm
Anyone did Mabo? Both of them were hard to write on :(
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Post by: AmericanBeauty on October 29, 2014, 06:56:53 pm
yes! ugh tell me about it! i was paranoid thinking it would be some crazy ass abstract topic since it was its last year but the second topic was a godsend! :'D
3 griddlecakes for you mam.
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Post by: jyce on October 29, 2014, 07:17:07 pm
Yeah it seemed like an identity question so other people would have liked it.

I basically wrote about the ambiguous relationship with Changez and the American (so like pathetic fallacy, allegory etc.) then Changez's unreliability and his 9/11 reaction. Then I ended on the ambiguous ending where the reader's prejudices and intepretations are ultimately challenged.

What about you?  :)

First spoke about how the reader is in a unique position to interpret the story due to dramatic monologue, followed up by the ambiguity of the relationship between Changez and the American and how this relationship is open to a number of interpretations. Lastly, I discussed how Hamid's main intention in using ambiguity is not to create dramatic interest or debate among readers but rather to highlight a world that is damaged due to foreign policy and stereotyping, similar to how you ended.
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Post by: marsbareater12 on October 29, 2014, 07:30:23 pm
3 griddlecakes for you mam.

ilu.
(esp. considering i wrote a paragraph on griddlecakes)
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Post by: NathanGauci on October 29, 2014, 08:10:57 pm
same haha

What did you write about for it?
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Post by: walkec on October 29, 2014, 08:52:14 pm
Both the prompts for The Reluctant Fundamentalist were good! Ended up writing on the second one:
'Hamid's ambiguous presentation of the story means that readers can interpret it in very different ways. Discuss.'
;D

I wrote on the first topic. I thought it was interesting that one topic wasn't on fundamentalism given it hasn't been on the exam before and it's in the last year on the text list. But I did so many identity based ones, both before my SAC and before the exam. I was so happy it was something to do with identity - I did a little fist pump to myself during reading time. I did also like the second one, but thought I could write better on the first!
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Post by: jyce on October 29, 2014, 11:34:59 pm
I wrote on the first topic. I thought it was interesting that one topic wasn't on fundamentalism given it hasn't been on the exam before and it's in the last year on the text list. But I did so many identity based ones, both before my SAC and before the exam. I was so happy it was something to do with identity - I did a little fist pump to myself during reading time. I did also like the second one, but thought I could write better on the first!

I think they actually might have covered fundamentalism early on - something about Changez being reluctant or not, which directly relates to the topic of fundamentalism.
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Post by: walkec on October 30, 2014, 06:35:44 am
I think they actually might have covered fundamentalism early on - something about Changez being reluctant or not, which directly relates to the topic of fundamentalism.

Oh right. But still surprised there wasn't something explicitly on fundamentalism.
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Post by: Yacoubb on October 30, 2014, 08:14:19 am
For the question for A Christmas Carol regarding actions/enduring consequences, the following formed my arguments:
* A life bereft of love and happiness leads to prolonged misery
- Scrooge is transported to the Cratchits and sees that they're happy despite financial limitations; realises that his quest for wealth which has obliterated human connections has caused him to lose the happiness he sees.
- Scrooge realises the 'joy, the gratitude and the ecstasy' that he has lost as a result of being engrossed by the 'master passion, Gain'.
I then made it less about Scrooge by saying through Scrooge, Dickens illustrates that <main argument>.

* A life where one does not bestow upon the poor assistance will drive the impoverished further into poverty.
- Tiny Tim: not only is he marginalised socio-economically, but is further disadvantaged due to his physical disability. If he does not receive adequate healthcare, he will die. [this exemplifies the essence of making provisions to the destitute].
- Discussed the slums/ depiction of poverty as a result of the negligence of the elite.
- Discussed Ignorance and Want and how they have been created as a consequence of the forces of capitalism.

* A life where one does not become immersed in human relations will lead to a doomed afterlife.
- Marley's Ghost: how his immersion in pursuing worldly fortunes leads him to an afterlife of 'incessant torture of remorse'.
- Scrooge witnessing his grave really underpins the notion that one's fate is bleak if they do not rectify or amend their ways in their current life.

I came up with 4 body paragraphs (broke the second argument into two paragraphs). Are these good arguments? What am I looking at?
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Post by: AmericanBeauty on October 30, 2014, 08:15:47 am
For the question for A Christmas Carol regarding actions/enduring consequences, the following formed my arguments:
* A life bereft of love and happiness leads to prolonged misery
- Scrooge is transported to the Cratchits and sees that they're happy despite financial limitations; realises that his quest for wealth which has obliterated human connections has caused him to lose the happiness he sees.
- Scrooge realises the 'joy, the gratitude and the ecstasy' that he has lost as a result of being engrossed by the 'master passion, Gain'.
I then made it less about Scrooge by saying through Scrooge, Dickens illustrates that <main argument>.

* A life where one does not bestow upon the poor assistance will drive the impoverished further into poverty.
- Tiny Tim: not only is he marginalised socio-economically, but is further disadvantaged due to his physical disability. If he does not receive adequate healthcare, he will die. [this exemplifies the essence of making provisions to the destitute].
- Discussed the slums/ depiction of poverty as a result of the negligence of the elite.
- Discussed Ignorance and Want and how they have been created as a consequence of the forces of capitalism.

* A life where one does not become immersed in human relations will lead to a doomed afterlife.
- Marley's Ghost: how his immersion in pursuing worldly fortunes leads him to an afterlife of 'incessant torture of remorse'.
- Scrooge witnessing his grave really underpins the notion that one's fate is bleak if they do not rectify or amend their ways in their current life.

I came up with 4 body paragraphs (broke the second argument into two paragraphs). Are these good arguments? What am I looking at?
Post the prompt
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: Yacoubb on October 30, 2014, 08:33:40 am
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"An important theme in A Christmas Carol is that actions have enduring consequences".
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: vididid on October 30, 2014, 08:45:48 am
"An important theme in A Christmas Carol is that actions have enduring consequences".

Yes I did that one two, I think we had some similar ideas,

1. the biblical tone of the time for reckoning for the ability to interfere for good
2. the main tenet that those that have benefited from industrialisation have a social moral and economic obligation to support those who do not
3. then the consequence if this obligation is not met = the doom and ignorance and want Scrooges lonely death relative to Tiny tim to suggest that goodness will be rewarded
4. further consequences of eschewing family 'springtime in haggard winter' thing because he recognises his loss after his pursuit of the 'golden idol'

does that make sense?
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: JohnH18 on October 30, 2014, 10:36:59 am
Most of my class did the same one for A Christmas Carol, it was pretty straightforward.
I didn't write about Marley and i'm kicking myself because it's the clearest, easiest example and i had memorised a bunch of quotes but it just skipped my mind! But regardless, i talked about Scrooge and his self-serving lifestyle, Belle and how her values and morale influenced her present life, Fred and how his generosity and kindness led him to not being very wealthy but loved by many and finally the Cratchits who is a manifestation of the destitute in society and linked it to Dickens' message about society.
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: Josiah Middleton on October 30, 2014, 08:05:30 pm
Seriously, the Wilfred Owen essay question was the best!

How does Wilfred Owens Poetry expose the tragedies of war?

I did all my practise SAC essays and Exam essays on this theme, on how he constructed it to expose whatever
My SAC was what was he trying to expose through his poetry.

So I got in an actually laughed out loud.


Para 1: How he uses imagery to convey the tragedies etc

Para 2: How he used metric structure etc. So I touched on Pentameter, Rhyme etc to ellicit a response in his audience. And then the piece de resistance: In his preface he mentions how he is not concerned with poetry. My subject is War and The Pity of War. The poetry  is in the pity
I went on to say in Dulce how he adhered perfectly to the standard poetic features at the time such as pentameter, but when the gas attacks or the pity hits, then it all goes out and the window, and then is when we truly see Wilfred Owens poetry, only when the pity occurs. The poetry is in the pity<3

Para 3: I used his writing style. From a boy who spoke of Bluebells moon by moon and finding gay fairyland to a man who knew loss and spoke of drooping tongues from jaws that slop their relish
I spoke how he used suck evokative imagery to fully explicate to the reader the atrocities of war.


Think I went pretty well on this.
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: AmericanBeauty on October 31, 2014, 09:55:04 am
Seriously, the Wilfred Owen essay question was the best!

How does Wilfred Owens Poetry expose the tragedies of war?

I did all my practise SAC essays and Exam essays on this theme, on how he constructed it to expose whatever
My SAC was what was he trying to expose through his poetry.

So I got in an actually laughed out loud.


Para 1: How he uses imagery to convey the tragedies etc

Para 2: How he used metric structure etc. So I touched on Pentameter, Rhyme etc to ellicit a response in his audience. And then the piece de resistance: In his preface he mentions how he is not concerned with poetry. My subject is War and The Pity of War. The poetry  is in the pity
I went on to say in Dulce how he adhered perfectly to the standard poetic features at the time such as pentameter, but when the gas attacks or the pity hits, then it all goes out and the window, and then is when we truly see Wilfred Owens poetry, only when the pity occurs. The poetry is in the pity<3

Para 3: I used his writing style. From a boy who spoke of Bluebells moon by moon and finding gay fairyland to a man who knew loss and spoke of drooping tongues from jaws that slop their relish
I spoke how he used suck evokative imagery to fully explicate to the reader the atrocities of war.


Think I went pretty well on this.

Same here Josiah. I was considering doing the second one for complexity but A was way to easy to pass up.

Your paragraphs sound great. The first paragraph I also spoke about images. I spoke about the 'helpless sight' of the soldier bearing witness to the debilitating truths of war, like the 'froth corrupted lungs' and shit leading them to 'men marching asleep' seeing total mental degradation in the speaker that let them to be dehumanised and 'men marched asleep' and shit like that.

The second one  I tried to be complex and go both ways, not sure if it was good. I said that Owen attempted to beautify war through his romanticised depictions, but ultimately tragedy prevailed. I spoke that throughout his poems (futility and spring offensive) he began trying to beautify nature and make war sound good, but the poems saw a chronological shift towards tragedy.

Lastly I said owen exposed the unfortunate circumstances that soldiers were put in. I spoke about the gruelling environment of cramped in that funnelled hole, i spoke about the parents allowing children to kill themselves for their honour (S.I.W) then I spoke about the treatment that the propagates of war gave the soldiers (Mental Cases) treating them like psychos in an experiment .. those that 'pawed us those who dealt us war and madness.' As such, he exposed the tragedies of war. I continually referenced the word tragedy.

How do you think I'll do :) I'm hoping for a 9.
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: Josiah Middleton on October 31, 2014, 01:48:11 pm
Same here Josiah. I was considering doing the second one for complexity but A was way to easy to pass up.

Your paragraphs sound great. The first paragraph I also spoke about images. I spoke about the 'helpless sight' of the soldier bearing witness to the debilitating truths of war, like the 'froth corrupted lungs' and shit leading them to 'men marching asleep' seeing total mental degradation in the speaker that let them to be dehumanised and 'men marched asleep' and shit like that.

The second one  I tried to be complex and go both ways, not sure if it was good. I said that Owen attempted to beautify war through his romanticised depictions, but ultimately tragedy prevailed. I spoke that throughout his poems (futility and spring offensive) he began trying to beautify nature and make war sound good, but the poems saw a chronological shift towards tragedy.

Lastly I said owen exposed the unfortunate circumstances that soldiers were put in. I spoke about the gruelling environment of cramped in that funnelled hole, i spoke about the parents allowing children to kill themselves for their honour (S.I.W) then I spoke about the treatment that the propagates of war gave the soldiers (Mental Cases) treating them like psychos in an experiment .. those that 'pawed us those who dealt us war and madness.' As such, he exposed the tragedies of war. I continually referenced the word tragedy.

How do you think I'll do :) I'm hoping for a 9.







Sounds good, looks like you have some complex idea throughout. You should at least get an 8.

All I want is an 8+
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: QTPi on November 05, 2014, 09:41:38 pm
Any Mabo peeps?
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: nikegod on November 05, 2014, 10:14:48 pm
Any Mabo peeps?

Haha, I gave up on Mabo a week out of the exam and switched to Stasiland. So much easier to write on 300 pages of material rather than 2 hours of film (at least for me, personally). How did you find it though? The first prompt was so open it was almost a disadvantage - the second prompt looked quite promising though, plenty of room for filmic language and construction etc.
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: QTPi on November 06, 2014, 08:49:54 am
Haha, I gave up on Mabo a week out of the exam and switched to Stasiland. So much easier to write on 300 pages of material rather than 2 hours of film (at least for me, personally). How did you find it though? The first prompt was so open it was almost a disadvantage - the second prompt looked quite promising though, plenty of room for filmic language and construction etc.
Yeah I was really hoping for a good topic for mabo and i had quotes prepared so I was quite shattered when I saw the prompts. I went with the first one anyway and you're right it was so broad but I just spoke about how important the land was to mabo and just gave examples of when it was seen.I tried challenging the topic and wrote about how it's more than just pride and that family values and culture are highly evident. That's all i could come up with, definitely wasn't my best piece but oh well...I think the mabo prompt was the shortest prompt from all the texts!
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: mike liu on November 13, 2014, 05:43:12 pm
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write about mabo
topic mabo is a movie about pride

can i write:
mabo is a film about pride with 3 main opinions like: 1.eddie's pride comes from benny's education which makes him feel proud of being an islander
2. his pride is well supported by bonita's love so he can concentrate on the case
3.his own determination and character also contributes to his pride which help him fight for his rights and the discriminant

can i write like this?
(sorry i am not good at english)
Title: Re: Section A Discussion
Post by: DJA on November 14, 2014, 03:30:05 pm
Section A Henry IV I didn’t want to tackle the order/disorder so I did the Falstaff question which was essentially ‘say whatever you like about the play’s insights” which was just great - talked about 4 key areas of the play using Falstaff as the main character to convey such insights.