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Title: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: dkn2014 on November 07, 2014, 06:48:10 pm
Hey,

As you all know, Methods is finally over! Now I was just wondering if you guys could tell me what the chances are of me getting a study score of over 25..

I averaged a low A in SACs, but I screwed up Exam One. The anxiety destroyed me and I think it might come out to around 40%. But, I felt pretty confident in Exam Two. I'm predicting perhaps over 70%..

I don't know how important it is but my class is probably mid range in terms of ability.. There's no Einsteins but everyone is pretty competent.

So, what do you guys who actually understand the system think? Could I get a study score over 25?

Thanks!!
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Fick on November 07, 2014, 07:10:17 pm
Yeh mate, no need to worry. You will be looking forward to seeing at least a 33 SS, possibly 35. Well done
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: goodfeelslod on November 07, 2014, 10:09:25 pm
What study score would i be looking at with

Sacs:88/100
Exam 1: 29-32
Exam 2: 57-63

Cheers
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Fick on November 07, 2014, 11:53:59 pm
What study score would i be looking at with

Sacs:88/100
Exam 1: 29-32
Exam 2: 57-63

Cheers


Most likely a 36-37. well done.
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: ChazRose on November 08, 2014, 07:04:48 am
Hi guys, is there any chance of i can get a 40?

GA1 - No idea scaled mark - around 75% very strong cohort - our school is top 5 in state
GA2 - 37/40
GA3 - 63/80 - stuffed this one up :(

Thanks appreciate the help
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Kaleidoscope on November 08, 2014, 07:55:00 am
Do you think a 35 would be possible for me?

Moderate-strong cohort
SACs: 71/100
Exam 1: 30/40
Exam 2: 69/80

Thank you! :)
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: shadows on November 08, 2014, 08:30:05 am
Do you think a 35 would be possible for me?

Moderate-strong cohort
SACs: 71/100
Exam 1: 30/40
Exam 2: 69/80

Thank you! :)

Exam 1 is like a mid B+, Exam 2- high A
If you Sacs scale up, then, I think you have a  very good shot of getting 35+.
Probably 36-37 given Exam 2 is weighted a lot more than Exam 1.
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Khalidferoze on November 08, 2014, 09:21:43 am
Do I have a chance of getting a 40 study score?

Sacs : 90+
Exam 1 : 33/40
Exam 2 : 68/80
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Donatello_ on November 08, 2014, 09:37:34 am
SACs: 85% Average-Weak Cohort
Exam 1: 27-30
Exam 2: 53-58 (Bombed out badly)

Any chance of Mid 30s?
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: jonosimo on November 08, 2014, 09:39:27 am
96/100 sac marks (rank 4) strong cohort
35/40 exam 1
72/80 exam 2
What study score am I looking at?
Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: KayKay on November 08, 2014, 10:35:37 am
96/100 sac marks (rank 4) strong cohort
35/40 exam 1
72/80 exam 2
What study score am I looking at?
Thanks in advance

I'd say about 44, good job.
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Fick on November 08, 2014, 10:51:20 am
SACs: 85% Average-Weak Cohort
Exam 1: 27-30
Exam 2: 53-58 (Bombed out badly)

Any chance of Mid 30s?

35-36
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Fick on November 08, 2014, 10:55:02 am
Do I have a chance of getting a 40 study score?

Sacs : 90+
Exam 1 : 33/40
Exam 2 : 68/80
Thanks in advance

40-41
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Fick on November 08, 2014, 10:57:36 am
Hi guys, is there any chance of i can get a 40?

GA1 - No idea scaled mark - around 75% very strong cohort - our school is top 5 in state
GA2 - 37/40
GA3 - 63/80 - stuffed this one up :(

Thanks appreciate the help
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39, maybe 40
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Orb on November 08, 2014, 10:59:44 am
I'd say about 44, good job.

Unfortunately, i'll have to disagree on this one :(

I'm looking at at a 34-35/40 for E1 and 79/80 E2 with A+ SACs, however teacher says it will be very hard for me to hit 45 and will most likely be between 42-44.

So in your scenario I'd say it's more around the 40-41 mark atm
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Fick on November 08, 2014, 11:05:57 am
Unfortunately, i'll have to disagree on this one :(

I'm looking at at a 34-35/40 for E1 and 79/80 E2 with A+ SACs, however teacher says it will be very hard for me to hit 45 and will most likely be between 42-44.

So in your scenario I'd say it's more around the 40-41 mark atm

I don't understand your teachers logic. 79-80 is incredible in exam two, you should at least get 47
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Orb on November 08, 2014, 11:07:34 am
I don't understand your teachers logic. 79-80 is incredible in exam two, you should at least get 47

Not this year :(
From what I hear, almost everyone in the top 20 got 77+ for E2

47 is almost a pipe dream given that E1 is most likely an A..
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: KayKay on November 08, 2014, 11:11:34 am
Not this year :(
From what I hear, almost everyone in the top 20 got 77+ for E2

47 is almost a pipe dream given that E1 is most likely an A..

I think you may be overestimating the ability of the methods cohort. Last year, apart from the last question, I would say the exam was about the same level as this year, possibly with MC this year being even harder than last. Yet, the A+ cutoff was 61.5/80 I believe... Your school must be very strong for everyone in the top 20 to get 77+, I believe my school is about the same, but not so for the general state.
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Orb on November 08, 2014, 11:33:00 am
I think you may be overestimating the ability of the methods cohort. Last year, apart from the last question, I would say the exam was about the same level as this year, possibly with MC this year being even harder than last. Yet, the A+ cutoff was 61.5/80 I believe... Your school must be very strong for everyone in the top 20 to get 77+, I believe my school is about the same, but not so for the general state.

I mean, i'd be considerably happier if you were correct (who wouldn't be xD), but when you're looking for a 45+ score, it's the top 2% of the state, so the cutoff for that would be substantially higher than an A+ (11% of the state).

Given that the top 2% is often separated by a careless mistake, I think that's why it's assumed that the exam didn't do too much to separate students (unlike last year where the last question was a legitimate separator).
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: KayKay on November 08, 2014, 11:42:38 am
I mean, i'd be considerably happier if you were correct (who wouldn't be xD), but when you're looking for a 45+ score, it's the top 2% of the state, so the cutoff for that would be substantially higher than an A+ (11% of the state).

Given that the top 2% is often separated by a careless mistake, I think that's why it's assumed that the exam didn't do too much to separate students (unlike last year where the last question was a legitimate separator).

jonosimo scored 96/100 in SACs in a strong cohort (high A+), 35/40 in Exam 1 (High A), 72/80 in Exam 2 (Mid A+)

If you get 3 low A+s you get around a 40... how on earth does getting an exceptional SAC score (34%), a mid A+ in Exam 2 (44%) and a high A in Exam 1 (only 22%), result in him only getting a 40-41... T.T
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Camo15 on November 08, 2014, 11:48:45 am
Sacs : Low 90s
Exam 1 : 30/40
Exam 2 : 72/80

Thanks!
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Orb on November 08, 2014, 11:52:26 am
jonosimo scored 96/100 in SACs in a strong cohort (high A+), 35/40 in Exam 1 (High A), 72/80 in Exam 2 (Mid A+)

If you get 3 low A+s you get around a 40... how on earth does getting an exceptional SAC score (34%), a mid A+ in Exam 2 (44%) and a high A in Exam 1 (only 22%), result in him only getting a 40-41... T.T

Because like I said, I view the cutoff this year to be closer to 2008 (73/80) than 2013 (61.5/80).
Mid A+ (scales down with poorer exam results) + low A+ + high A is a 40-41.

Of course, I could be wrong about the cutoffs, and this is simply my opinion, but this is what I see from my currently point of view and based on educated guesses.
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Donatello_ on November 08, 2014, 12:21:34 pm
35-36
Sweet, thanks :)
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: M_BONG on November 08, 2014, 12:24:35 pm
Because like I said, I view the cutoff this year to be closer to 2008 (73/80) than 2013 (61.5/80).
Mid A+ (scales down with poorer exam results) + low A+ + high A is a 40-41.

Of course, I could be wrong about the cutoffs, and this is simply my opinion, but this is what I see from my currently point of view and based on educated guesses.

Cut off wasn't 73 in 2008, that would be ridiculous. It was 67.5...although 2008 was a far bit harder than 2014 - at least the Tasmania Jones question was a little bit challenging..
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: SeanC on November 08, 2014, 01:05:01 pm
What about...
99% SACs. Fairly weak cohort but rank 1
37/40 e1
74/80 e2
Any chance of a 42
thanks!
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: jammin on November 08, 2014, 10:02:07 pm
Cut off wasn't 73 in 2008, that would be ridiculous. It was 67.5...although 2008 was a far bit harder than 2014 - at least the Tasmania Jones question was a little bit challenging..

Hamo94 I think you got the wrong year.

In 2006 the cut-off for A+ was 72/80 which is probably the closest to what you were talking about.
2006 MM 3/4 was really easy though..
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: mtse on November 08, 2014, 10:47:45 pm
What score would I get for:
95% +SACs. Moderate-strong cohort
39/40 e1
79/80 e2
I'm still in year 11 so I'm not sure how the scoring works still.  :-\
Thanks in advance!  :D
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Orb on November 09, 2014, 12:07:26 pm
What score would I get for:
95% +SACs. Moderate-strong cohort
39/40 e1
79/80 e2
I'm still in year 11 so I'm not sure how the scoring works still.  :-\
Thanks in advance!  :D

~49 +- 1 based on how well the cohort in general goes on the exam
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: mtse on November 09, 2014, 12:10:05 pm
~49 +- 1 based on how well the cohort in general goes on the exam

Awesome, thanks :)
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: blueman on November 11, 2014, 10:08:25 am
83/100 SACs
36/40 E1
70/80 E2

Strong cohort, what score do you think I will get?

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Countrylad on November 14, 2014, 10:16:18 am
What about a 30+?

Sac's - A (no. 2 out of 4)
Exam 1 - B (prediction)
Exam 2 - C+ (prediction)

Thanks
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Fick on November 14, 2014, 02:40:08 pm
What about a 30+?

Sac's - A (no. 2 out of 4)
Exam 1 - B (prediction)
Exam 2 - C+ (prediction)

Thanks

yes, 30-31
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: BigWhale112 on November 14, 2014, 05:02:13 pm
hi i just wanted to ask if it is possible to get a 35+ in methods with the following
GA1 75/100 w/ a moderate-strong cohort
GA2 36/40
GA3 60/80 (worst possible scenario)
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: 2NE1 on November 14, 2014, 05:15:42 pm
hi i just wanted to ask if it is possible to get a 35+ in methods with the following
GA1 75/100 w/ a moderate-strong cohort
GA2 36/40
GA3 60/80 (worst possible scenario)

Yes you can get 35+ I reckon
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Yacoubb on November 14, 2014, 05:25:46 pm
Could someone predict SS:

Rank 1 in cohort.

Scenario 1:
Exam 1: 37/40
Exam 2: 68/80.

Scenario 2:
Exam 1: 40/40
Exam 2: 68/80.

Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: ss2667 on November 20, 2014, 05:58:28 pm
SAC 54.4% Medium/Weak cohort
GA1 28/40
GA2: 54/80
Can i get a 35 raw?
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: jt33 on November 20, 2014, 10:00:44 pm
SAC 54.4% Medium/Weak cohort
GA1 28/40
GA2: 54/80
Can i get a 35 raw?

with those scores on last years exam, you would be sitting on around a 35, but this years exam was relatively easier, so id have to say no, i dont think you can get a 35 raw. More looking towards the 33 mark, max 34
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Yacoubb on November 20, 2014, 10:41:05 pm
Rank 1. Exam 1 40/40 Exam 2 68/80.
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: appleandbee on November 20, 2014, 10:44:26 pm
Rank 1. Exam 1 40/40 Exam 2 68/80.
41-42, I think, assuming SACS are moderated to similar grades
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: Yacoubb on November 20, 2014, 10:45:49 pm
41-42, I think, assuming SACS are moderated to similar grades

Thanks for that :-)
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: ss2667 on November 21, 2014, 03:27:11 pm
with those scores on last years exam, you would be sitting on around a 35, but this years exam was relatively easier, so id have to say no, i dont think you can get a 35 raw. More looking towards the 33 mark, max 34
Ye i reckon, but i just don't understand the mechanics of SACs. Why is each sac we do weighted but when we "calculate" our study scores we only use an average? How does the sac mark change in terms of ranking because i just gave a raw sac mark to you.
Thanks for the help, in year 11 and i'm a bit confused.
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: jt33 on November 21, 2014, 03:47:49 pm
Ye i reckon, but i just don't understand the mechanics of SACs. Why is each sac we do weighted but when we "calculate" our study scores we only use an average? How does the sac mark change in terms of ranking because i just gave a raw sac mark to you.
Thanks for the help, in year 11 and i'm a bit confused.

Dont worry we were all in the same position as you once. Your sac score is simply a ranking among your cohort, you are not supposed to use your sac average to calculate your sac score, you are given a sac score for each sac, and some sacs are worth more because they constitute a bigger part of the course. This ranking is then used to determine your sac score based on your cohorts exam performance. For example, if you were to be rank 8, your sac score would actually be derived from the 8th highest exam score in your cohort. And the sac scores are far less important than the exam anyway, so i mainly predicted your score based on what you got on the exam, because i have no clue how your sacs would scale
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: jonosimo on November 21, 2014, 05:33:07 pm
Hello,
36/40 Exam 1
74/80 Exam 2
96/100, 4th rank, strong cohort

What study score do you think I will get?
Thanks
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: appleandbee on November 21, 2014, 05:38:28 pm
Hello,
36/40 Exam 1
74/80 Exam 2
96/100, 4th rank, strong cohort

What study score do you think I will get?
Thanks

44, 45 if lucky
Title: Re: Methods Exam/Study Score Worries
Post by: DanielJ on November 22, 2014, 10:49:52 am
So if I was ranked second, but outscored the person ranked first in both exams, by 4+ on Exam 1 and 7+ on Exam 2, do I get their exam mark? Or how does this work exactly?