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Title: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 19, 2015, 04:57:10 pm
So I'm commencing Bsc @ UoM soon.
I know AAD is coming up but I've searched these forums (maybe not hard enough) and I'm still clueless when it comes to choosing subjects/a major that lead to graduate medicine.

Do I need to choose certain subjects for my major (e.g. human structure and function/etc), and if so, do i need to complete all the subjects in a specific area such as anatomy, physiology, biochemistry or just a select few?
Also, for breadth, can i choose subjects related to science (e.g. neuroscience subjects) or do they have to be unrelated (i.e. history subjects).

Does anyone have an example of their own (or not their own) subject plan that satisfies prereqs for graduate medicine, coz the prospectus examples are confusing

Otherwise, can someone just explain how the subject selection & major/minor + timetabling process works because I'm obviously jaffy asking questions that have probably been asked hundreds of times before

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Professor Polonsky on January 19, 2015, 05:09:29 pm
I'm not a UoM student, nor a science student, nor an aspiring med student, but I'll try to answer :)

Have a look at the handbook, first. Keep in mind that all regular units are 12.5 points (a standard year's workload is then 100 points).

As for your major, there's a list on that page. Take a look, for eaxmple, at Human Structure and Function. The issue with UoM's majors is that they don't include the prerequisites for those units - you'll need to click at each unit you want to do to see its prerequisites (for example, ANAT30007 Human Locomotor Systems requires ANAT20006 Principles of Human Structure, which itself requires a couple of first year bio units.)

A perhaps easier way to check out prerequisites for major is to look at its page on the BSci website. The stuff in light blue are the prerequisites, and the grey units are the major itself. You can ignore the dark blue units -- fill in whatever you want with those!

You need to take 50-75 points of breadth units. They're shown in orange on that page, although two of those units can actually be either breadth or science electives. Breadth units are not science units - see the requirements here.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 19, 2015, 05:14:23 pm
I'm not a UoM student, nor a science student, nor an aspiring med student, but I'll try to answer :)

Have a look at the handbook, first. Keep in mind that all regular units are 12.5 points (a standard year's workload is then 100 points).

As for your major, there's a list on that page. Take a look, for eaxmple, at Human Structure and Function. The issue with UoM's majors is that they don't include the prerequisites for those units - you'll need to click at each unit you want to do to see its prerequisites (for example, ANAT30007 Human Locomotor Systems requires ANAT20006 Principles of Human Structure, which itself requires a couple of first year bio units.)

A perhaps easier way to check out prerequisites for major is to look at its page on the BSci website. The stuff in light blue are the prerequisites, and the grey units are the major itself. You can ignore the dark blue units -- fill in whatever you want with those!

You need to take 50-75 points of breadth units. They're shown in orange on that page, although two of those units can actually be either breadth or science electives. Breadth units are not science units - see the requirements here.

wow thanks so much, looks like I'll be doing lots of research before the semester begins!
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Stevensmay on January 19, 2015, 05:16:58 pm
First things first, handbook. Very very useful, available at handbook.unimelb.edu.au
Do I need to choose certain subjects for my major (e.g. human structure and function/etc), and if so, do i need to complete all the subjects in a specific area such as anatomy, physiology, biochemistry or just a select few?
Here is a link to the HSF major. It will tell you exactly what subjects you need to do to be able to graduate with it as a major. Make sure you go through the list and work out what prerequisites they have, all the way down to your first year. Can take some time but if you get it wrong then you might have to extend your degree!

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Also, for breadth, can i choose subjects related to science (e.g. neuroscience subjects) or do they have to be unrelated (i.e. history subjects).
Breadth search will show all your options.

Seeing as Polo has replied will get to the later ones. A sample subject plan is only so useful, as there are a very large number of ways you can graduate with the major, so it might be more confusing than helpful.

With the breadth, you need to take at minimum 50 points (4 subjects normally) with a maximum of 75. At least one of these subjects needs to be a level two or three subject. Each subject will have a code like ECON10004, the first four letters identify the department (Economics). The first digit after the letters is the subject level, in this case 1. Level 2 = 2, level 3 = 3, everything above this is normally honors/masters etc. The digits make up an identifier for the subject.

Over the next few weeks you will be able to log in to your student portal and enroll in subjects, this is not timetabling but simply selection. Class registration opens on the 2nd of Feb at 10am, where you go through and select which lectures and tutorials you want to be in. Normally a hectic few hours as everyone else is trying to do the same, so the servers slow down a bit. On your study plan (where you enter what subjects you want to do for enrollment) you can select your major however it makes no difference if you do not right now, so I'd suggest leaving it off as it's one less thing to worry about.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: chysim on January 19, 2015, 05:21:09 pm
As above, the handbook is your friend.

Also, once you've accepted your offer and have a unimelb login, the student portal has a subject plan which is used to enrol in all of your subjects. Once you input you major, it does most of the work for you in that it constrains your subject choices. You'll see the core subjects, science electives, breadth and the like. It's basically a matter of filling in the gaps.

As for timetabling, that doesn't happen till a little later (a couple of weeks from now I think). That's also done through the student admin portal. You basically just choose your lecture and tute times for the subjects you've enrolled in. It's pretty easy, but there are some tips that you'll find on here regarding best time for lectures/tutes and the like. Also, the servers get ridiculously overloaded and unresponsive in the first couple of hours when timetabling opens, so expect it and don't get frustrated.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 19, 2015, 05:26:20 pm
First things first, handbook. Very very useful, available at handbook.unimelb.edu.auHere is a link to the HSF major. It will tell you exactly what subjects you need to do to be able to graduate with it as a major. Make sure you go through the list and work out what prerequisites they have, all the way down to your first year. Can take some time but if you get it wrong then you might have to extend your degree!
Breadth search will show all your options.

Seeing as Polo has replied will get to the later ones. A sample subject plan is only so useful, as there are a very large number of ways you can graduate with the major, so it might be more confusing than helpful.

With the breadth, you need to take at minimum 50 points (4 subjects normally) with a maximum of 75. At least one of these subjects needs to be a level two or three subject. Each subject will have a code like ECON10004, the first four letters identify the department (Economics). The first digit after the letters is the subject level, in this case 1. Level 2 = 2, level 3 = 3, everything above this is normally honors/masters etc. The digits make up an identifier for the subject.

Over the next few weeks you will be able to log in to your student portal and enroll in subjects, this is not timetabling but simply selection. Class registration opens on the 2nd of Feb at 10am, where you go through and select which lectures and tutorials you want to be in. Normally a hectic few hours as everyone else is trying to do the same, so the servers slow down a bit. On your study plan (where you enter what subjects you want to do for enrollment) you can select your major however it makes no difference if you do not right now, so I'd suggest leaving it off as it's one less thing to worry about.

thanks so so much, will hold on to this information

As above, the handbook is your friend.

Also, once you've accepted your offer and have a unimelb login, the student portal has a subject plan which is used to enrol in all of your subjects. Once you input you major, it does most of the work for you in that it constrains your subject choices. You'll see the core subjects, science electives, breadth and the like. It's basically a matter of filling in the gaps.

As for timetabling, that doesn't happen till a little later (a couple of weeks from now I think). That's also done through the student admin portal. You basically just choose your lecture and tute times for the subjects you've enrolled in via the study plan. It's pretty easy, but there are some tips that you'll find on here regarding best time for lectures/tutes and the like. Also, the servers get ridiculously overloaded and unresponsive in the first couple of hours when timetabling opens, so expect it and don't get frustrated.

thank you, very helpful information guys!

so basically I'll be ripping through the handbook searching for prereq subjects, adding those and working my way through till i've satisfied the major.

Is HSF even the best major for graduate medicine, or do they all qualify? also, do I need to worry about a minor?
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: chysim on January 19, 2015, 05:32:57 pm
Is HSF even the best major for graduate medicine, or do they all qualify? also, do I need to worry about a minor?

This is like third hand information, so don't quote me, but I think you're course/major is irrelevant when applying for post-grad med. You need to have completed certain prerequisite subjects (and the GAMSAT obviously), but other than that the course/major doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 19, 2015, 05:35:36 pm
This is like third hand information, so don't quote me, but I think you're course/major is irrelevant when applying for post-grad med. You need to have completed certain prerequisite subjects (and the GAMSAT obviously), but other than that the course/major doesn't matter.

thanks for that, will spend the next week or so planning out everything veerrrrry carefully :P
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Professor Polonsky on January 19, 2015, 05:40:23 pm
I think the thing about subject selection at uni is that it looks really daunting looking in at the start, then almost becomes routine by your second semester. Apart from issues, which are rare (something like "I really want to do unit A but it requires unit X and I don't have room for that" or "I need/want to do this unit to graduate but it's not offered again for another year") it's all an easy ride.

As for medicine, it seems like all you need to do to meet the prerequisite are to complete these there units:
Anatomy:  ANAT20006 Principles of Human Structure
Biochemistry: BCMB20002 Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Physiology: PHYS20008 Human Physiology
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 19, 2015, 06:24:25 pm
I think the thing about subject selection at uni is that it looks really daunting looking in at the start, then almost becomes routine by your second semester. Apart from issues, which are rare (something like "I really want to do unit A but it requires unit X and I don't have room for that" or "I need/want to do this unit to graduate but it's not offered again for another year") it's all an easy ride.

As for medicine, it seems like all you need to do to meet the prerequisite are to complete these there units:
Anatomy:  ANAT20006 Principles of Human Structure
Biochemistry: BCMB20002 Biochemistry and Molecular Biology
Physiology: PHYS20008 Human Physiology

thanks polonsky!!
everyone's advice has been greatly appreciated :D
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: ealam2 on January 20, 2015, 12:42:54 pm
So I'm commencing Bsc @ UoM soon.
I know AAD is coming up but I've searched these forums (maybe not hard enough) and I'm still clueless when it comes to choosing subjects/a major

I'm obviously jaffy asking questions that have probably been asked hundreds of times before


Don't worry, you're not alone here. I am struggling with choices too but the people here on AN are really helpful and great with giving advice.  :)
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Shenz0r on January 20, 2015, 12:52:13 pm
Is HSF even the best major for graduate medicine, or do they all qualify? also, do I need to worry about a minor?

The HSF major is relevant to the MD and makes the transition easier, but if you don't get into medicine your options are rather limited compared to other majors.

Melbourne Uni doesn't recognise minors I think? It's not important nevertheless.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: simpak on January 20, 2015, 08:02:56 pm
I would recommend you just start university enrolling in Biology and Chemistry and see where the wind takes you.  And by that I mean, consider other MDHS majors as well...explore your interests.

I've actually been told by friends that they think both Immuno and Neuro majors give you a very slight advantage coming into the MD. Don't know if this is like a personal opinion kind of thing or something people agree on generally.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: katiesaliba on January 21, 2015, 06:07:00 pm
Is it necessary to do math subjects (Calculus 1 and Linear Algebra) in order to prepare for the GAMSAT? I really don't want to do math, but if I decide to pursue post-grad med I still want to knowledgeable enough. Thanks!
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Shenz0r on January 21, 2015, 06:36:43 pm
No way. You're better off doing chemistry and physics if you want to prepare for GAMSAT.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 22, 2015, 11:30:42 am
I'm back, another quick question, is the neuroscience major based more on the psychological aspects of the brain or how the brain actually works, if that makes sense? Like do they explore behaviour/memory like in VCE Psych or connections in the brain and more complex physiological stuff?

@simpak, thanks I have already completed BIOL10004 and BIOL10005 so I'm guessing I have a free 'spot'/elective? I will have to do chemistry 1, so that means that I can choose 2 other subjects like NEUR30003 Principles of Neuroscience and a breadth

Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: MelonBar on January 22, 2015, 02:16:40 pm
I'm back, another quick question, is the neuroscience major based more on the psychological aspects of the brain or how the brain actually works, if that makes sense? Like do they explore behaviour/memory like in VCE Psych or connections in the brain and more complex physiological stuff?

@simpak, thanks I have already completed BIOL10004 and BIOL10005 so I'm guessing I have a free 'spot'/elective? I will have to do chemistry 1, so that means that I can choose 2 other subjects like NEUR30003 Principles of Neuroscience and a breadth

That depends on the subjects you choose. Check subject reviews (there are three for neur30003) and the handbook
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Starlight on January 22, 2015, 03:02:56 pm
I'm back, another quick question, is the neuroscience major based more on the psychological aspects of the brain or how the brain actually works, if that makes sense? Like do they explore behaviour/memory like in VCE Psych or connections in the brain and more complex physiological stuff?

As MelonBar has mentioned, there are a few subject reviews up for NEUR30003 (including the one I recently wrote during the holidays). It's very early on right now to consider majors, as others have posted just take your standard biol and chem subjects in first year to keep your options open for a major in the health sciences. In terms of the areas studied, I suppose there is some similarity to what is studied in VCE psychology (e.g. memory, sleep) but I guess it's more about looking at higher order cognitive functions through a biological basis (explained in the subject reviews). You do study some anatomy about the brain such as the corpus callosum (major connection that exists between the right and left hemispheres), blood supply to the brain, the meninges of the brain etc. but those kinds of topics make up the foundation lectures for NEUR30003 and NEUR30004.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 22, 2015, 04:43:20 pm
That depends on the subjects you choose. Check subject reviews (there are three for neur30003) and the handbook

As MelonBar has mentioned, there are a few subject reviews up for NEUR30003 (including the one I recently wrote during the holidays). It's very early on right now to consider majors, as others have posted just take your standard biol and chem subjects in first year to keep your options open for a major in the health sciences. In terms of the areas studied, I suppose there is some similarity to what is studied in VCE psychology (e.g. memory, sleep) but I guess it's more about looking at higher order cognitive functions through a biological basis (explained in the subject reviews). You do study some anatomy about the brain such as the corpus callosum (major connection that exists between the right and left hemispheres), blood supply to the brain, the meninges of the brain etc. but those kinds of topics make up the foundation lectures for NEUR30003 and NEUR30004.


thanks very much guys, will do
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 23, 2015, 04:13:08 pm
so hopefully I won't be bothering anyone anymore with my jaffy questions, but one last question:

I've enrolled in my subjects for first year 2015 and I've already completed BIOL10004 and BIOL10005 as part of UMEP, is this study plan right (as in how many subjects and breadth subjects I have - I have a free science elective meaning I only need to do 2 subjects and 1 breadth per semester?)

Semester 1:
Chemistry 1
Mind, Brain and Behaviour 1
Breadth - Philosophy: The Big Questions

Semester 2:
Chemistry 2
Mind, Brain and Behaviour 2
Breadth - From Plato to Einstein

thanks
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: notveryasian on January 23, 2015, 04:17:54 pm
so hopefully I won't be bothering anyone anymore with my jaffy questions, but one last question:

I've enrolled in my subjects for first year 2015 and I've already completed BIOL10004 and BIOL10005 as part of UMEP, is this study plan right (as in how many subjects and breadth subjects I have - I have a free science elective meaning I only need to do 2 subjects and 1 breadth per semester?)

Semester 1:
Chemistry 1
Mind, Brain and Behaviour 1
Breadth - Philosophy: The Big Questions

Semester 2:
Chemistry 2
Mind, Brain and Behaviour 2
Breadth - From Plato to Einstein

thanks

Yeah there's nothing wrong with your study plan so far, are you planning on doing more subjects in 1st year?
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 23, 2015, 04:18:41 pm
Yeah there's nothing wrong with your study plan.

thank you :D
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: notveryasian on January 23, 2015, 04:21:52 pm
thank you :D

Sorry bout my edit, but you can consider maybe doing some 2nd year subjects in 2nd sem? Since you've basically done both 1st year core Biology subjects already.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 23, 2015, 04:30:01 pm
Sorry bout my edit, but you can consider maybe doing some 2nd year subjects in 2nd sem? Since you've basically done both 1st year core Biology subjects already.

well I thought I only needed to do that many subjects because I have a free place, but am I supposed to do more? I wanted to do everything just as a basic first year student but with a lighter load which is apparently what happens when you have completed UMEP subjects. Right now I would be too scared to do 2nd year subjects in 1st year, but I'm just worried if I should be doing one more subject per semester now to be like everyone else?
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: notveryasian on January 23, 2015, 04:37:34 pm
well I thought I only needed to do that many subjects because I have a free place, but am I supposed to do more? I wanted to do everything just as a basic first year student but with a lighter load which is apparently what happens when you have completed UMEP subjects. Right now I would be too scared to do 2nd year subjects in 1st year, but I'm just worried if I should be doing one more subject per semester now to be like everyone else?

It's completely up to you how you want to complete your degree. I've met some UMEP students who complete 4 subjects per semester in their 1st year, including some 2nd year subjects, so they can comfortably complete a diploma on the side and/or make their 2nd/3rd year easier for them.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Spxtcs on January 23, 2015, 04:59:04 pm
It's completely up to you how you want to complete your degree. I've met some UMEP students who complete 4 subjects per semester in their 1st year, including some 2nd year subjects, so they can comfortably complete a diploma on the side and/or make their 2nd/3rd year easier for them.

thanks, I'd probably stick to a lighter load this year even though my future self will hate me for it :P. Just as long as it's ok to do a total of 3 subjects (including breadth) per semester instead of 4
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: ealam2 on January 23, 2015, 09:46:54 pm
Hi! Could someone please check if my subject choices are okay, and that me doing Genetics in the Media in semester 1 won't affect me taking genetics and the evolution of life in semester 2? Also, apparently I'll need a vaccine against Q Fever to take Animals in Society 1: Intro and that it's not covered by Medicare or the uni. Where and when should I get this?
Thanks!  :)

Sem 1
Biology of Cells and Organisms
Chem 1
Genetics in the Media
Science and Pseudoscience- Breadth

Sem 2
Genetics and the Evolution of Life
Chem 2
Data Analysis 1
Animals in Society 1: Introduction- Breadth
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Snorlax on January 23, 2015, 11:03:17 pm
I'd also like some insight into whether It's a good idea to do what I'm doing:

Sem1:
BIOL10004 - Biology of Cells and Organisms
CHEM10003 - Chemistry 1
PHYC10005 - Physics 1: Fundamentals
Breadth

Sem2:
BIOL10005 - Genetics & The Evolution of Life
CHEM10004 - Chemistry 2
PHYC10003 - Physics 1  / (OR,,, Would I be better off doing Calculus 1?)
Breadth

I'm clueless, and I'm just selecting subjects that would complement the Physiology major.
Also a question about a Graduate degree: Does it work like, for example: 'get a major in physiology, study Doctor of Optometry the next year'

I'm not quite sure about the pathway to study a graduate degree such as the Doctor of Optometry, so some insight will be much appreciated!

Thanks
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: LeviLamp on January 23, 2015, 11:10:40 pm
Hi! Could someone please check if my subject choices are okay, and that me doing Genetics in the Media in semester 1 won't affect me taking genetics and the evolution of life in semester 2? Also, apparently I'll need a vaccine against Q Fever to take Animals in Society 1: Intro and that it's not covered by Medicare or the uni. Where and when should I get this?
Thanks!  :)

Sem 1
Biology of Cells and Organisms
Chem 1
Genetics in the Media
Science and Pseudoscience- Breadth

Sem 2
Genetics and the Evolution of Life
Chem 2
Data Analysis 1
Animals in Society 1: Introduction- Breadth

I believe you can take Genetics and the Media prior to BIOL10005 :) Also, Science and Pseudoscience has a reputation as being a very, very badly taught and disappointing subject - maybe pick something else?
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: ealam2 on January 24, 2015, 10:11:47 am
I believe you can take Genetics and the Media prior to BIOL10005 :) Also, Science and Pseudoscience has a reputation as being a very, very badly taught and disappointing subject - maybe pick something else?

I've added Genetics in the Media to my study planner but there is no enrol button, only the change button. Do I have to go directly to Science Student Centre or somewhere else to discuss this?

Oh, did not know that. Are there any subject reviews for science and pseudoscience? I've already enrolled to that subject, can I withdraw from it if I change my mind?
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: simpak on January 24, 2015, 11:44:49 am
I've added Genetics in the Media to my study planner but there is no enrol button, only the change button. Do I have to go directly to Science Student Centre or somewhere else to discuss this?

Oh, did not know that. Are there any subject reviews for science and pseudoscience? I've already enrolled to that subject, can I withdraw from it if I change my mind?

You can switch subjects up to the census date for your semester (aka drop out and switch into a new subject) but past week 2 it can become a little difficult to enter a new subject as a replacement.  And it'll require some catching up as well.  I switched one of my subjects in second year in week 2 to start week 3 and catching up wasn't the most pleasant experience.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: simpak on January 24, 2015, 11:54:28 am
I'd also like some insight into whether It's a good idea to do what I'm doing:

Sem1:
BIOL10004 - Biology of Cells and Organisms
CHEM10003 - Chemistry 1
PHYC10005 - Physics 1: Fundamentals
Breadth

Sem2:
BIOL10005 - Genetics & The Evolution of Life
CHEM10004 - Chemistry 2
PHYC10003 - Physics 1  / (OR,,, Would I be better off doing Calculus 1?)
Breadth

I'm clueless, and I'm just selecting subjects that would complement the Physiology major.
Also a question about a Graduate degree: Does it work like, for example: 'get a major in physiology, study Doctor of Optometry the next year'

I'm not quite sure about the pathway to study a graduate degree such as the Doctor of Optometry, so some insight will be much appreciated!

Thanks

You don't need to take any particular major to get into Optometry (much like Medicine, Dentistry, Physio and any other vocational health postgrad).  You can take Physiology if that's what you're interested in, but you don't have to decide now.  You need to take at least 3 subjects on this list: https://graduate.science.unimelb.edu.au/sites/default/files/downloads/OptomPrereqs_Apr2013.pdf
But you don't need to take any particular major, ie, it would be possible to take three of those over the span of your course and also major in something completely different and not health sciences related at all.
If you got 98 or above in VCE you would be eligible for a guaranteed CSP place to the course provided you keep a 75% average over your entire course.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Snorlax on January 24, 2015, 01:22:58 pm
Thank you simpak!
I also have a similar question to ealam: I haven't completed VCE Physics and so i'm planning to do the fundamentals. However, I can't enrol in Physics 1 for Semester 2 because there's no button to enrol, only a 'change' option.
Does this also mean I'll have to contact the SSC?

Thanks
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Stevensmay on January 24, 2015, 01:55:51 pm
Thank you simpak!
I also have a similar question to ealam: I haven't completed VCE Physics and so i'm planning to do the fundamentals. However, I can't enrol in Physics 1 for Semester 2 because there's no button to enrol, only a 'change' option.
Does this also mean I'll have to contact the SSC?

Thanks

It sounds like you have already filled up all your available subject slots? If you put up pictures of the page I can have a look.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Starlight on January 24, 2015, 02:55:47 pm
I'd also like some insight into whether It's a good idea to do what I'm doing:

Sem1:
BIOL10004 - Biology of Cells and Organisms
CHEM10003 - Chemistry 1
PHYC10005 - Physics 1: Fundamentals
Breadth

Sem2:
BIOL10005 - Genetics & The Evolution of Life
CHEM10004 - Chemistry 2
PHYC10003 - Physics 1  / (OR,,, Would I be better off doing Calculus 1?)
Breadth

I'm clueless, and I'm just selecting subjects that would complement the Physiology major.
Also a question about a Graduate degree: Does it work like, for example: 'get a major in physiology, study Doctor of Optometry the next year'

I'm not quite sure about the pathway to study a graduate degree such as the Doctor of Optometry, so some insight will be much appreciated!

Thanks

As simpak mentioned, the Doctor of Optometry course requires you to have completed 3 approved biological science subjects (which must be either level 2 or level 3). For the gamsat, only VCE level physics (e.g. content in fundamentals of physics) is examined so Physics 1 wouldn't be needed for that if you didn't want to do it. The physics component of the gamsat can also be self taught, the physics staff at melbourne uni are not renowned for their teaching skills . I've also heard that calculus is quite hard to score well in as well. At this stage of uni, you don't really need to be thinking of majors as of yet. Just take your broad science subjects in year 1 (first yr biol and first yr chem). When it's time to choose one, just pick the major that you are most interested in as you are more likely to achieve high results. However, I do think that the neuroscience major gives a slight advantage out of all the others when entering the OD course.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Stevensmay on January 24, 2015, 05:05:47 pm
Thank you simpak!
I also have a similar question to ealam: I haven't completed VCE Physics and so i'm planning to do the fundamentals. However, I can't enrol in Physics 1 for Semester 2 because there's no button to enrol, only a 'change' option.
Does this also mean I'll have to contact the SSC?

Thanks

Turns out I need to read better! Physics 1 is only available in Semester 1, this is why you can't choose which semester to do it in.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: ealam2 on January 24, 2015, 06:11:09 pm
You can switch subjects up to the census date for your semester (aka drop out and switch into a new subject) but past week 2 it can become a little difficult to enter a new subject as a replacement.  And it'll require some catching up as well.  I switched one of my subjects in second year in week 2 to start week 3 and catching up wasn't the most pleasant experience.

Yup thank you, simpak! Already changed one of my subjects.

Thank you simpak!
I also have a similar question to ealam:  no button to enrol, only a 'change' option.
Does this also mean I'll have to contact the SSC?

Yeah, mine is similar. Genetics in the Media in semester 1 only has the change button. It may be because I picked Genetics and the Evolution of Life in Semester 2 but I'll go and ask them about this.

Also, even if we haven't enrolled in all our subjects for first year, can we go to the next option of "After enrolment" or do we enrol in all our subjects first? I want to get a student card so I can have the transport concession card form.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Stevensmay on January 24, 2015, 07:16:05 pm
Yup thank you, simpak! Already changed one of my subjects.

Yeah, mine is similar. Genetics in the Media in semester 1 only has the change button. It may be because I picked Genetics and the Evolution of Life in Semester 2 but I'll go and ask them about this.

Also, even if we haven't enrolled in all our subjects for first year, can we go to the next option of "After enrolment" or do we enrol in all our subjects first? I want to get a student card so I can have the transport concession card form.

Please learn how to use the University handbook. It's available at https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/. If you look up the page for Genetics in the Media it will show that it is only run in first semester, thus why you cannot change what semester you take it in. Genetics in the Media

With the transport concession I believe you have to complete enrollment, otherwise you won't be considered to be studying full time. I think this may impact on concession. You can just populate it with random subjects.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: ealam2 on January 24, 2015, 08:33:40 pm
Please learn how to use the University handbook. It's available at https://handbook.unimelb.edu.au/. If you look up the page for Genetics in the Media it will show that it is only run in first semester, thus why you cannot change what semester you take it in. Genetics in the Media

With the transport concession I believe you have to complete enrollment, otherwise you won't be considered to be studying full time. I think this may impact on concession. You can just populate it with random subjects.

Oh yes I know that it's running in first semester. I don't want to change which semester I take it in. I was just wondering why I can't enrol online for that subject. Thanks for replying.  :)

I need a student card first before I can get the transport concession form and yeah complete enrolment.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Stevensmay on January 24, 2015, 08:36:09 pm
Oh yes I know that it's running in first semester. I don't want to change which semester I take it in. I was just wondering why I can't enrol online for that subject. Thanks for replying.  :)

I need a student card first before I can get the transport concession form and yeah complete enrolment.

Can I get a screenshot of your current enrollment?
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: simpak on January 24, 2015, 09:03:37 pm
Are you sure you're choosing your subjects in the right place at this time?  Sometimes when you've filled up the 'level 1 science' area you have to go and put things in the 'Science and Breadth' area instead etc.  But you should post a screenshot as stated above.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: ealam2 on January 25, 2015, 06:29:41 pm
Are you sure you're choosing your subjects in the right place at this time?  Sometimes when you've filled up the 'level 1 science' area you have to go and put things in the 'Science and Breadth' area instead etc.  But you should post a screenshot as stated above.

I have only 5 enrolled science subjects excluding Genetics in the media, so wouldn't this subject be in the right place?
I've already enrolled into 2 level 1 breadth subjects.

Also, is there any advantage to doing more higher level breadth subjects or does the level not matter and it depends on your scores instead?

I've attached a screenshot of my enrolment too.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: Starlight on January 25, 2015, 07:21:50 pm
I have only 5 enrolled science subjects excluding Genetics in the media, so wouldn't this subject be in the right place?
I've already enrolled into 2 level 1 breadth subjects.

Also, is there any advantage to doing more higher level breadth subjects or does the level not matter and it depends on your scores instead?

I've attached a screenshot of my enrolment too.

For semester 1 in the first year of uni I believe you have to complete a level 1 breadth. I *think* you can complete any level of breadth in semester 2 of first year. There's no advantage/disadvantage to taking a higher level breadth subject, I think the level just reflects perhaps the perceived difficulty of the subject (not to say the subject is necessarily difficult though). So yes, scores are much more important than the level of subjects that you took (but there are a set number of subjects that you must complete at each level). As long as you are taking the subjects that interest you (as well as any necessary prerequisites you may have) then you'll be fine.
Title: Re: Subject/major queries
Post by: ealam2 on January 25, 2015, 10:01:43 pm
For semester 1 in the first year of uni I believe you have to complete a level 1 breadth. I *think* you can complete any level of breadth in semester 2 of first year. There's no advantage/disadvantage to taking a higher level breadth subject, I think the level just reflects perhaps the perceived difficulty of the subject (not to say the subject is necessarily difficult though). So yes, scores are much more important than the level of subjects that you took (but there are a set number of subjects that you must complete at each level). As long as you are taking the subjects that interest you (as well as any necessary prerequisites you may have) then you'll be fine.

Thank you very much, Starlight! :)