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Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: maggiemaggie on November 02, 2007, 07:39:41 pm
After today, i'm a little disheartened....

I just really need to stop stressing. but my pov is making me feel ill!

I sort of misread the "are we overprotected" statement for the letter to the editor and therfore responded with the contention that overbearing parents should not be condemned for their actions, rather parents of children who misbehave should be targeted.
SO basically I said its ok to be overprotective.

Can i still get a half decent mark, (5 or 6) or will i be penalised?  :(

Any suggestions?
Title: Re: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Odette on November 02, 2007, 07:46:07 pm
Quote from: "maggiemaggie"
After today, i'm a little disheartened....

I just really need to stop stressing. but my pov is making me feel ill!

I sort of misread the "are we overprotected" statement for the letter to the editor and therfore responded with the contention that overbearing parents should not be condemned for their actions, rather parents of children who misbehave should be targeted.
SO basically I said its ok to be overprotective.

Can i still get a half decent mark, (5 or 6) or will i be penalised?  :(

Any suggestions?


What's wrong with that? lol
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: mouseboi on November 02, 2007, 07:53:00 pm
Yep, I think that's correct. I made a post in the other thread about it. I thought I made that mistake too.

EDIT: When I say correct I mean I don't think there's anything wrong.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: SilverBullet on November 02, 2007, 08:02:24 pm
I misread it too, don't think you're the only one!

I started my letter by referencing the opinion piece by the principal and explaining why i am an over protective mother. Then I said something about living near a city there are often drunks (refered to graph) so i don't want my children outside. Then I quote the Katharina lady thing and said I agree with her?

I think thats what i did anyway?

Hoping to pull some marks out of it? :S
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Ahmad on November 02, 2007, 08:08:24 pm
I misread it too. I think many did.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 08:09:27 pm
Yep, me too, as well as the several other people I've asked.

Dw, you're not the only one :)
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Odette on November 02, 2007, 08:10:54 pm
So what exactly were we supposed to write?

I said that yes we are overproctected (but was focusing on parents in particular)
Is that wrong?
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 08:11:35 pm
No, that's ok, at least you answered the q "Are we overprotected?" :)
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Odette on November 02, 2007, 08:12:26 pm
Quote from: "ninwa"
No, that's ok, at least you answered the q "Are we overprotected?" :)


Thank goodness lol
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: maggiemaggie on November 02, 2007, 08:12:37 pm
Thanks for the reassurance!

It sounds silly, but I think I was more nervous after the exam than before it... mentally critising  your own work makes you crazy!

Thanks again and good luck with the rest of your exams!
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: SilverBullet on November 02, 2007, 08:35:24 pm
I started my letter by referencing the opinion piece by the principal and explaining why i am an over protective mother. Then I said something about living near a city there are often drunks (refered to graph) so i don't want my children outside. Then I quote the Katharina lady thing and said I agree with her?


How would have that have gone in terms of answering the question?
Be nice... i'm meant to be good at english!
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: BA22 on November 02, 2007, 08:38:24 pm
Quote from: "SilverBullet"
I misread it too, don't think you're the only one!

I started my letter by referencing the opinion piece by the principal and explaining why i am an over protective mother. Then I said something about living near a city there are often drunks (refered to graph) so i don't want my children outside. Then I quote the Katharina lady thing and said I agree with her?

I think thats what i did anyway?

Hoping to pull some marks out of it? :S


I think you'll be fine, i did the same thing.

I rationalize itby saying the preface of the task was "Are we overprotected?" The preamble then went as far a to say that the following material presents a range of viewpoints on the issue.

By responding directly to such viewpoints, such as the letter, i think we've qualified a relevant response, because i personally, attacked the stance by Mr. Lee, basing my contention around that he was need of a reality check himself over his views on parenting. For the most art, students responding to the two opinion pieces who have explored and likely responded to the various tactics or viewpoints of the written material and how it respresents the issue.

The speech and the essay were far more clear cut. They set a specific question to respond to, and it is likely the VCAA will enforce the wording of the topic. But for the most part, as long as you comment on the necessity or lack thereof for parents to be overprotective, or even just protective then you've satisfied the core issue, and presented your point of view on this topic. Having a discernable contention that is relevant might just be enough for a relevant response.

The evaluation of whether or not your contention is relevant to the topic, "are we overprotective", will be decided as a yes or no. If no, then your score is limited, and i think the only way this can occur is if you've simply discussed the dangers of society, and not really addressed parenting styles at all. As the preamble delved into the nature of parenting styles, it can be assumed that this was relevant material for baing your contention

I think in the context of the issue, Jack Lee's article is flawed. His anecdotal piece is fantastic to analyse, but i doubt its relevance to the wider issue. His conern is mainly with his perception of the world as a dangerous place, and his article is a rambling justification of attentive parenting, and a loose one at that

Students who respond to Lee's opinion directly, evaluating his contention through a point of view should not be penalised for discussing the same dimension of the issue. My particular piece was a scathing personal attack on Lee and his article. As i have responded to the VCAA's direction that i must have written my response to the issue with the two opinion pieces in mind (i referenced Brown), then i have addressed the premise of question.

This could get ugly if the VCAA choose to regard such responses as irrelevant, and i intend to make it so, should that be their decision
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: SilverBullet on November 02, 2007, 08:40:31 pm
Thanks for that BA22. Feel much better now!
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 08:42:18 pm
Quote from: "BA22"

This could get ugly if the VCAA choose to regard such responses as irrelevant, and i intend to make it so, should that be their decision


lol, what would you do BA22?

btw, one of our english teachers has actually already complained to VCAA about this exam :P


I actually presented the view that parents should be protective, not because I believe it (trust me, I don't, I have the most annoyingly overprotective parents), just cos I felt I could argue that better ...
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: BA22 on November 02, 2007, 08:45:41 pm
Quote from: "ninwa"
Quote from: "BA22"

This could get ugly if the VCAA choose to regard such responses as irrelevant, and i intend to make it so, should that be their decision


lol, what would you do BA22?

btw, one of our english teachers has actually already complained to VCAA about this exam :P


I actually presented the view that parents should be protective, not because I believe it (trust me, I don't, I have the most annoyingly overprotective parents), just cos I felt I could argue that better ...



I'd remind the VCAA that they are far from perfect, and that in the unlikely event they disregard my piece as irrelevant

More of an empty threat really, i'm sure they'd work out pretty quickly that i'm far to apathetic to do anything

It felt like a nice way to round of my rant

meh . .
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 08:48:14 pm
just burn the place down :) ive wanted to do that for AGES


speaking of which ... where exactly are VCAA headquarters
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: astarael on November 02, 2007, 08:51:27 pm
hmm, i think if your response could be addressing the question are "we" as in a society in general are overprotected, rather than children specifically, that would be fine.

that was pretty muvh my contention.  i, too, stated that it was that jack lee bloke who was in need of a reality check and then i talked about the difference between overprotection and education about the real world and how its bad to shelter children from reality and raise them in an idealistic fantasy world blah blah blah.  lol that guy (i know he's not a real person, but still...) didn't even let his kids watch the news...wtf?  so i referenced lee's article and also the cartoon.

*fingers crossed* that was ok.  i can't see VCAA being giant jerks about it, i mean they don't want people to fail and by the sounds of it misinterpreting the prompts was a fairly common mistake amongst a fairly intelligent bunch of people.  so if you're feeling bad right now imagine how your barely literate bogan peers are feeling...
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Pencil on November 02, 2007, 08:51:27 pm
well they have done it deliberately, I guess they were trying to get us to consider the wider implications, rather than simply arguing 'parents should be protective' etc. but I think it's better when they stick with the straightforward q, and let us consider the broader view ourselves. Because I mean it is one of the most stressful exams, and people are bound to misread the q's especially if they put tricks in. It's stressful enough making sure you write all your essays in the right scriptbooks!
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: astarael on November 02, 2007, 08:53:06 pm
Quote from: "ninwa"
just burn the place down :) ive wanted to do that for AGES


speaking of which ... where exactly are VCAA headquarters


isn't it where you sit your LOTE oral exams? can't remember where it was, i did a language in '05...
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: joechan521 on November 02, 2007, 08:55:13 pm
hey, because all 3 options for pov were about the topic "are we overprotected"
does that mean we have to argue in the POV of a child?

since we meant children??
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 08:55:39 pm
Quote from: "astarael"
Quote from: "ninwa"
just burn the place down :) ive wanted to do that for AGES


speaking of which ... where exactly are VCAA headquarters


isn't it where you sit your LOTE oral exams? can't remember where it was, i did a language in '05...


I sat mine at violet crumble college (wesley)

no offence to anyone here that goes to wesley :)
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: joechan521 on November 02, 2007, 08:58:04 pm
i sat my LOTE in an underground basement of a very old church...
it was so old...

and dark in side


was in north melb i think
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: igs07 on November 02, 2007, 08:59:27 pm
Quote from: "joechan521"
hey, because all 3 options for pov were about the topic "are we overprotected"
does that mean we have to argue in the POV of a child?

since we meant children??


Yeah that's what I thought mid-way through writing mine when I adopted the persona of a father.. but I thought screw it there's no going back.. but a bright student in our class adopted the persona of a professor, I think you could be anyone if you argued it right.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: BA22 on November 02, 2007, 09:04:16 pm
Quote from: "joechan521"
hey, because all 3 options for pov were about the topic "are we overprotected"
does that mean we have to argue in the POV of a child?

since we meant children??


No becuase the VCAA want an appreciation of audience, a child wouldn't be able to write a sohisticated viewpoint. I think it was asking for a societal percpetion of protective parenting, which was acheived if you responded to the stimulus material
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: joechan521 on November 02, 2007, 09:10:49 pm
i don't get it, how can for example, parents discuss the topic of "are we overprotected", when they are not the ones being overprotected.

shouldn't the question be "are we overprotective" if was discussed by adults
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: igs07 on November 02, 2007, 09:15:43 pm
Quote from: "joechan521"
i don't get it, how can for example, parents discuss the topic of "are we overprotected", when they are not the ones being overprotected.

shouldn't the question be "are we overprotective" if was discussed by adults


Can't you argue from a parents perspective that they are overprotected and it is necessary as a parent to do so.. and refer to the graph of the crime statistics etc?
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: BA22 on November 02, 2007, 09:17:57 pm
Quote from: "joechan521"
i don't get it, how can for example, parents discuss the topic of "are we overprotected", when they are not the ones being overprotected.

shouldn't the question be "are we overprotective" if was discussed by adults


yeh . . thus the confusion

It refers to our soceity in general as overprotective to youth, stifling independent learning. This why the letter to the editor was a good choice, by addressing lee directly, we pass comment on the issue, by supporting or attacking him
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 09:18:39 pm
I pretended I was a mother who had lost a son because I didn't supervise him ... and went from there. So I argued as a parent why we should protect our children.

I'm sure parents would have legitimate views as to whether children should be (over)protected or not.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: joechan521 on November 02, 2007, 09:18:51 pm
Quote from: "igs07"
Quote from: "joechan521"
i don't get it, how can for example, parents discuss the topic of "are we overprotected", when they are not the ones being overprotected.

shouldn't the question be "are we overprotective" if was discussed by adults


Can't you argue from a parents perspective that they are overprotected and it is necessary as a parent to do so.. and refer to the graph of the crime statistics etc?


still don't get it, i wrote from a student prespective
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: igs07 on November 02, 2007, 09:20:51 pm
Quote from: "joechan521"
Quote from: "igs07"
Quote from: "joechan521"
i don't get it, how can for example, parents discuss the topic of "are we overprotected", when they are not the ones being overprotected.

shouldn't the question be "are we overprotective" if was discussed by adults


Can't you argue from a parents perspective that they are overprotected and it is necessary as a parent to do so.. and refer to the graph of the crime statistics etc?


still don't get it, i wrote from a student prespective


I was confused as hell as what 'we' meant, to the point it pissed me off that I wasn't going to think about the brain teaser any longer and just continue with my father persona
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Defiler on November 02, 2007, 09:22:12 pm
I think basically everyone has right-royally screwed around with the question so I wouldn't worry too much... just await the results!
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Pencil on November 02, 2007, 09:32:06 pm
wait.. I took it to mean are 'we' as a society, overprotected. As in, are our laws becoming too.. ridiculous, because we are so scared of..the dangers of the world, or something. does that make sense? Like not only children, but as a society
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Markos on November 02, 2007, 09:32:34 pm
Mmmm, especially since I didnt get past the introduction  :(
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: astarael on November 02, 2007, 09:37:33 pm
Quote from: "ninwa"
just burn the place down :) ive wanted to do that for AGES


speaking of which ... where exactly are VCAA headquarters


(http://vcaa.vic.edu.au/images/map.gif)

LOL!
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 09:40:45 pm
LOL. Thanks astarael. Anyone wanna join me on my crusade to destroy VCAA HQ? :P
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Ahmad on November 02, 2007, 09:43:25 pm
We shall infiltrate at 700. Over.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Nick on November 02, 2007, 09:48:38 pm
In terms of the persuasive piece, I'm abit worried as to whether I actually gave what they were asking for.

I did the letter to the editor and was an adolescent psychologist.
I claimed that current overparenting is ever prevalent and its tendencies will be to the detriment of children.

My body paragraphs consisted of:
*It disenables kids from experiencing the world and delays their ability to confront challenges which appear at every turn of their lives.
*It leads to a lack of responsibility
*It could lead to problems such anti social behaviours and medical conditions such a social anxiety.
I then concluded that governments should implement training programs for parents to endow them with the knowledge to best deal with children in today's modern age.

Is that answering the question?? I really hope so lol
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: ninwa on November 02, 2007, 09:49:17 pm
Quote from: "Ahmad"
We shall infiltrate at 700. Over.


Roger that.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: bilgia on November 02, 2007, 09:51:08 pm
u mean 0700...lol.
and this vcaa mission has been contemplated by nearly every vce student for i dont know how many years.....i want to see someone actually throw a molotov cocktail inside their window..that would truly be a sight.

There's this I.T teacher at our school who is pretty much a vcaa soldier..when i did I.T systems with him last year..he made it clear that if he saw a phone during a sac he would report it to vcaa...and he always made us change computers every lesson we worked on the VB programs..At the end of last yr  some other guys stuck up "I Love VCAA" posters on his door and he kept them there hahaha...theyre still there i think. either that or someone keeps putting one back up....It's a more realistic way of venting some frustration...as opposed to setting fire to the  VCAA building.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Nick on November 02, 2007, 09:54:11 pm
Quote from: "bilgia"
u mean 0700...lol.
and this vcaa mission has been contemplated by nearly every vce student for i dont know how many years.....i want to see someone actually throw a molotov cocktail inside their window..that would truly be a sight.

There's this I.T teacher at our school who is pretty much a vcaa soldier..when i did I.T systems with him last year..he made it clear that if he saw a phone during a sac he would report it to vcaa...and he always made us change computers every lesson we worked on the VB programs..At the end of last yr  some other guys stuck up "I Love VCAA" posters on his door and he kept them there hahaha...theyre still there i think. either that or someone keeps putting one back up....It's a more realistic way of venting some frustration...as opposed to setting fire to the  VCAA building.


LOL burn it down and then all the exams go with it....
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: igs07 on November 03, 2007, 10:40:43 am
From Herald-Sun writing task on over-protective parents  Well I wrote as a father so I did ok then.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: azhtey on November 03, 2007, 11:14:47 am
Quote from: "Ahmad"
I misread it too. I think many did.


I misread it too and i feel like crap. Glad im not the only one woooo. I just read the first part cos i had like 15mins to go and it said write a lettor....giving your point....bla bla.

So i just gave my point of view in a mocking way dunno if that will be ok. Its over now, the past is the past ----- schoolies awaits!!!
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: Awakening The Soul on November 03, 2007, 12:15:29 pm
Okay guys, stress less.

The topic is ?Are we overprotected??

The little box at the end of page 13 ?TASK MATERIAL? says about the topic:


Quote
?Are we overprotected??

Parenting styles have changed over the years and much less has been written about the best way to bring up children. Some experts advise new parents to implement a regime of strict control and rigid routine for their children?s own protection. Others argue for a more permissive, liberal style of parenting to encourage children to be independent and become more resilient adults. This pattern continues into adulthood. Laws intended to protect people could be seen to prevent them from taking personal responsibility for their own actions.

The following material presents a range of viewpoints on this issue.


That is what they had listed for the issue of ?Are we overprotected?? So basically if you adopted the persona of a parent and argued for/against the protection of children you should be fine. The material they provided explaining the issue clearly shows that ?Are we overprotective?? was a reasonable way to approach the question. I personally think the wording was horrible. But the task material box clearly outlines what they meant by the issue ?Are we overprotected??

I hope you all did well, and good luck with the rest of your exams! Especially those with Biology first thing Monday! :)
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: maxleng on November 03, 2007, 12:31:46 pm
Quote from: "igs07"
From Herald-Sun writing task on over-protective parents  Well I wrote as a father so I did ok then.


haha i signed off as a chick, because my arguments wouldn't really have been coming from a father... it felt weird  :?
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: bilgia on November 03, 2007, 12:46:45 pm
i argued that parents are overprotective of us (from the student's perspective) and as a result..do not allow for us to develop into proper adults capable of dealing with modern day society and the issues that arise within it ..i used the diving incident in it somewhere as well... and made reference to the audience like saying "I'm not so sure your son will become an understanding doctor in the future Mr. Suresh if you continue to mollycoddle him..."

there was so much info in the task material regarding parenting..so i assume most of us just thought that it might have meant "are parents overprotective of their children?" which i still cannot be sure whether it was slighty correct or completely wrong...
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: brendan on November 03, 2007, 12:48:23 pm
Quote from: "bilgia"
Mr. Suresh if you continue to mollycoddle him..."

.


haha heroes ftw!
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: brendan on November 03, 2007, 12:49:51 pm
Quote from: "Ahmad"
We shall infiltrate at 700. Over.


Affirmative. I'm flanking.

:P
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: azhtey on November 03, 2007, 01:14:21 pm
Quote from: "bilgia"
i argued that parents are overprotective of us (from the student's perspective) and as a result..do not allow for us to develop into proper adults capable of dealing with modern day society and the issues that arise within it ..i used the diving incident in it somewhere as well... and made reference to the audience like saying "I'm not so sure your son will become an understanding doctor in the future Mr. Suresh if you continue to mollycoddle him..."

there was so much info in the task material regarding parenting..so i assume most of us just thought that it might have meant "are parents overprotective of their children?" which i still cannot be sure whether it was slighty correct or completely wrong...


I did that too, should be fine. My teacher always said dont pretend to be some grandma with 3 kids and a cat; be your 18 year old self.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: bilgia on November 03, 2007, 01:50:13 pm
Quote from: "brendan"
Quote from: "bilgia"
Mr. Suresh if you continue to mollycoddle him..."

.


haha heroes ftw!


haha yeah i was watchin the latest episode the day before...saw a gr8 opportunity to put that in rofl
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: SxG on November 04, 2007, 10:22:02 am
I started first, adopted more of a psychologist persona, then I decided to read the question again. "Are we overprotected?", after I thought it through a while, the "We" certainly means that it's better for us to adopt the persona of a kid talking about us being overprotected. So I had to cross out the first one and did it again

Dunno if I did it right the second time though. I was a student and argued that we are overprotected and that parents are not allowing us to make mistakes and grow and expose to reality and stuff, and that they should let go.

Should be fine, I think... They shouldn't be nitpicking you on silly issues like that.
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: kjg on November 09, 2007, 12:31:42 pm
this issue is EXACTLY what i messaged my teacher about the instant i got out of the exam


because alot of my friends did the persona of like, i dont know, a 50 year old hippy mum or something

score one to kelsey: i did the persona of myself
at least theres some points in the exam
cause i am not going to pick up any for text response one that's for sure
Title: ENglish Exam- POV
Post by: kido_1 on November 13, 2007, 07:50:35 pm
No POV for 2008 English

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