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General Discussion => General Discussion Boards => News and Politics => Topic started by: thushan on February 02, 2015, 12:48:23 pm
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What do you guys think of it? I wish he explained his logic. And not this shit again about "Labor overspending"...
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He blamed Labor, admitted he was wrong on PPL and Knightmare, blamed Labor some more, said he's a great PM, blamed Labor some more and said he's going to try to improve.
I really don't think he said anything newsworthy, other than essentially burying PPL. The 'confident' image, with him being (at least partly) on the offensive, might help his numbers - but I doubt it'll be significant.
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He blamed Labor, admitted he was wrong on PPL and Knightmare, blamed Labor some more, said he's a great PM, blamed Labor some more and said he's going to try to improve.
I really don't think he said anything newsworthy, other than essentially burying PPL. The 'confident' image, with him being (at least partly) on the offensive, might help his numbers - but I doubt it'll be significant.
This is an accurate summary. I actually felt that he didn't sound too confident - he definitely knows he's in trouble in the party room, and unless he does something dramatic, soon, he's done for. A couple of soundbites which will come back to bite him - in particular, the one about people electing Labor governments in a fit of irrationality.
An interesting fact - he only referred to 'the Abbott government.' Scott Morrison didn't stop the boats, the Abbott government stopped the boats. The only exception was when he referred to Julie Bishop by name, thanking her for her work in securing the release of Peter Greste.
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Yeah, it was interesting. I think the thing that's most likely to be an issue is running the reelection campaign like the last one. Pitching the party as a better alternative to the ALP was perfectly fine when every swinging voter in the country was desperate to avoid voting for the RGR mess. 4 years later, they're going to be going in the other direction in droves.
I forget who said it, but recently there was the point made that the LNP position themselves as the slightly less popular but more competent party, which is an image that has been significantly tarnished by the consistent antagonism of the electorate so far. Still not sure what the ALP is actually offering as an alternative but the bar isn't particularly high right now.
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Apparently he has until the end of the week to turn it all around before he gets the Gillardflick
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Oh! Source?
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-03/warren-entsch-plans-resolution-of-tony-abbott-leadership-drama/6066842
What I thought was even more interesting was that a Liberal MP decided to publically go on the record and call for him to resign. Hes got balls, i'll give him that. The interview is on that page.
Another interesting point:
Queensland backbencher Warren Entsch said he would seek a resolution to the issue at the next partyroom meeting, which takes place next week before Parliament resumes.
Next week could be the end of Tony Abbott's leadership. Although no-one has publically said they'll challenge him for it.
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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-02-03/warren-entsch-plans-resolution-of-tony-abbott-leadership-drama/6066842
What I thought was even more interesting was that a Liberal MP decided to publically go on the record and call for him to resign. Hes got balls, i'll give him that. The interview is on that page.
Another interesting point:
Next week could be the end of Tony Abbott's leadership. Although no-one has publically said they'll challenge him for it.
Now two. Possibly three, if you include Mal Brough (who gave the PM some rather meek support in a press conference today.) Fairfax papers are now reporting that up to 30 Liberal MPs don't support the PM (no names.) If you've got backbenchers publicly breaking ranks (instead of merely sending confidential text messages to journalists,) you've got a big problem. To put it simply, I don't see a way out for the Coalition that doesn't involve a change of leader or losing the 2016 election.
Rumours are posting to a spill early next week, when the party meets after the summer break. The best solution would be for Abbott to be convinced that he no longer has the numbers, to step down peacefully, and retire to a nice foreign posting. I hear Singapore is nice.
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Was a bit rough to expect Abbott to turn around the whole ship on the back of a speech. The chances of Abbott coming out with a ripper speech were always slim with his completely incapacity to speak in public and sound more intelligent than a chimpanzee at the same time.
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I forget who said it, but recently there was the point made that the LNP position themselves as the slightly less popular but more competent party, which is an image that has been significantly tarnished by the consistent antagonism of the electorate so far. Still not sure what the ALP is actually offering as an alternative but the bar isn't particularly high right now.
It's still a while before the election, but I do hope that the ALP will present a 'big picture' policy ambition rather than 'feel-good' promises. While the latter sometimes are all you need (see: Vic election),
Then again, maybe not. Commonwealth revenues do need to go up, and the best way to do it would be either tightening the tax code or increasing income tax. The voters aren't going to like that.
Now two. Possibly three, if you include Mal Brough (who gave the PM some rather meek support in a press conference today.) Fairfax papers are now reporting that up to 30 Liberal MPs don't support the PM (no names.) If you've got backbenchers publicly breaking ranks (instead of merely sending confidential text messages to journalists,) you've got a big problem. To put it simply, I don't see a way out for the Coalition that doesn't involve a change of leader or losing the 2016 election.
Rumours are posting to a spill early next week, when the party meets after the summer break. The best solution would be for Abbott to be convinced that he no longer has the numbers, to step down peacefully, and retire to a nice foreign posting. I hear Singapore is nice.
Fairfax has been drumming up a spill for a while, including running those Bishop/Turnbull articles a few days ago while they're obviously convinced that Abbott still has the numbers. As much as I'd love it, I can't see a Lib challenging before they're certain they have the numbers.
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Was a bit rough to expect Abbott to turn around the whole ship on the back of a speech. The chances of Abbott coming out with a ripper speech were always slim with his completely incapacity to speak in public and sound more intelligent than a chimpanzee at the same time.
How very tacky and tasteless.
It's still a while before the election, but I do hope that the ALP will present a 'big picture' policy ambition rather than 'feel-good' promises. While the latter sometimes are all you need (see: Vic election),
Then again, maybe not. Commonwealth revenues do need to go up, and the best way to do it would be either tightening the tax code or increasing income tax. The voters aren't going to like that.
I think the ALP are doing the same thing that was done to them at the last election and sitting tight and not putting a foot wrong. It's a bad sign for the future in general, but when the strategy of not being as disliked as the government is so good, you can't really blame them. It may come back to bite them when they eventually need to present policy but they traditionally present more popular options anyway.
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How very tacky and tasteless.
Oh don't be such a snob, it was clearly hyperbole -.- The point still remains. Abbott isn't a good public speaker and he's never been particularly bold in his public experiences, so expecting him to have really made a significant change to his fortunes on the back of a speech was unreasonable.
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I think the ALP are doing the same thing that was done to them at the last election and sitting tight and not putting a foot wrong. It's a bad sign for the future in general, but when the strategy of not being as disliked as the government is so good, you can't really blame them. It may come back to bite them when they eventually need to present policy but they traditionally present more popular options anyway.
Well, it is very early - have Oppositions in Australia generally put up alternative policies over 18 months before the election? I'd expect policies to start propping up . If it ends up like Real Solutions, then you'd have a point. If it ends up like 2014 Vic elections, then they'd have coherent policy, just not necessarily a long-term vision.
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That's his bloody fall-back though. When things aren't going right for the Liberals, they blame the Labour party for anything. In doing so, they're able to deflect any of the bad attention placed on their behaviour.
I hope he does get the "Gillardflick." Time will only tell but I doubt that Abbott will survive the next election if he continues this way.
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Well, it is very early - have Oppositions in Australia generally put up alternative policies over 18 months before the election? I'd expect policies to start propping up . If it ends up like Real Solutions, then you'd have a point. If it ends up like 2014 Vic elections, then they'd have coherent policy, just not necessarily a long-term vision.
Yeah, it's obviously not reasonable for them to have their costed policies out or whatever, but I have a sneaking feeling that their position has been based on the campaign that was run against them so successfully at the last election. A lot of the stuff they've been doing reminds me of that to some extent (bingo cards, slogans about the LNP's unfair budget etc.). It'll be interested to see what happens!
Oh don't be such a snob, it was clearly hyperbole -.- The point still remains. Abbott isn't a good public speaker and he's never been particularly bold in his public experiences, so expecting him to have really made a significant change to his fortunes on the back of a speech was unreasonable.
I'm sure you took the same stance over the Gillard/Witch banners. I just find it amusing that nobody minds making offensive comments about TA, because he's a right wing MP. Sorry for being a snob and telling you not to call him a chimp.
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Yeah, it's obviously not reasonable for them to have their costed policies out or whatever, but I have a sneaking feeling that their position has been based on the campaign that was run against them so successfully at the last election. A lot of the stuff they've been doing reminds me of that to some extent (bingo cards, slogans about the LNP's unfair budget etc.). It'll be interested to see what happens!
It's not a good sign, in that Tony Abbott has showed that relentless negativity in opposition is an effective way to win government (the 'Tea Party' approach.)
Shorten said that he'd try to be more bipartisan and less 'oppositional' then Tony Abbott. I don't think he's really done a good enough job, but Abbott hasn't really given him much to compromise on (with few notable exceptions - ISIS/IS/whatever, the terrorism stuff, the tax increase on high earners, and asylum seekers to an extent.)
Shorten has billed 2015 as his 'year of ideas.' Let's see what happens.
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In terms of rhetoric and construction, a decent speech: B-ull...
In terms of content and quality: C-ra...
In terms of policy and vision: Fu...k...
This government will deliver Australia’s economic future because only a Coalition government can.
As Liberals and Nationals, sound economic management is in our DNA.
I'm so sick at this trope that the liberals are massively better at managing the economy. The evidence just isn't there. Even look at a contemporary example, the ALP steered us through the largest financial crisis in almost a century. They say a lie repeated often enough may as well be a truth, i know many people who accept this as truth without even questioning it.
This government would hardly have taken the political risks it has without the conviction that some change is absolutely unavoidable if our country is to flourish.
To create more jobs and more opportunities for families, we simply have to build a stronger economy.
A stronger economy is the foundation of a stronger Australia.
And if the economy is stronger, everyone’s life is better.
A stronger economy helps everyone who’s doing it tough:
· parents wrestling with school fees and health costs;
· small business people anxious to keep their staff;
· seniors whose superannuation has to fund their retirement;
· volunteers wondering if they can still afford to serve the community; and
· young people looking for their first job and their first home.
I find it ironic he talks about creating jobs when he instituted hiring freezes and slashed public service jobs. Many of my friends, young people eager to land their first professional job, actually progressed through the public service recruitment stages and were informed it was frozen and they no longer had a chance of being offered a job.
He talks about parents wrestling with school fees and healthcare costs. He is the origin of this. He cuts income support payments to parents, he would preside over rising healthcare costs with his GP copay and start the dismantling of medicare. It's very rich.
The drift of the Rudd-Gillard-Rudd years cannot continue.
In 2007, we had a strong and sustainable budget with a $20 billion surplus and $50 billion in the bank.
After six years of Labor, the deficit had blown out to $50 billion and gross debt was skyrocketing towards $667 billion.
Ah yes, well into his term as a prime minister in his own right, he his blaming his predecessor rather than talking about his own positive vision.
2007 was just before the largest financial crisis and recession to hit the world in almost a century. Yes, the deficit rose but that is what tends to happen when almost all economists agree you must spend to stimulate the economy and avoid a depression. Economic stimulus saved our country from a total crash and the misery witnessed in many European countries.
Our problem is not that taxes are too low; our problem is that government spending is too high.
Revenue is income minus expenditure. Both sides of this coin are massive and yet, he brushes away a whole entire option with one single line.
80% of mining profits go overseas. Contrary to popular conception, even companies like BHP are majority foreign owned. We are allowing our nation and it's natural resources to be robbed blind only to send the prosperity overseas. With the profits of the tax, we could create a sovereign wealth fund to allow the profits of this one time boom to last for generations to come. He talks about "intergenerational theft" but ignores the biggest theft going on under our noses!
Don't even start on the "loopholes" (which are actually deliberate) that allow people to pay far less tax than the law or we have decided as a society, says they should pay.
The police and the security agencies have told me that they need access to telecommunications data to deal with a range of crime, from child abuse to terrorism, and — as far as I am concerned — they should always have the laws, money and support they need to keep Australia safe.
This is clever and horrifying newspeak for reality. Mandatory data retention of all internet metadata records for every man, woman and child in this country. It's without a warrant. It's without judicial oversight. It's without anyone being guilty. Every move, every preference, every interest. All recorded by the government. Furthermore, it is an internet tax! It will cost millions for the industry to store and maintain all this data. This cost will be passed onto the end consumers of their internet services. For a government that is so happy about dropping power bills, internet bills will skyrocket.
It is unnecessary. If someone is doing something wrong, do it the proper way and get a warrant of a judge. There is absolutely no need for total and absolute dragnet surveillance of every single citizens of this country.
...and our children can look forward to more opportunities than we had.
Ridiculous. Many people in his cabinet went to university for free, without the burden and restriction of debt. Now, under his proposed changes, many students will wind up with an absolutely massive debt. Indeed, for some degrees and combinations it could be over $100,000 of debt.