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Title: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: I am a unicorn on April 30, 2015, 01:42:17 am
Hello :)
At school we've started doing some formal short answer questions, however I am struggling with explaining the functions of what the function of particular words are, or more specifically modal verbs.

For example, what sort of things would you write if asked to describe the function of the modal verb 'should' in 'People should have the freedom to express their individual opinions'?

Thank you :)

Edit: just thought I'd make this into a question thread instead of spamming the forum with my individual questions  :)
Title: Re: Modal verbs?
Post by: grannysmith on April 30, 2015, 09:03:59 am
Well, if we were to omit that modal verb, the modified sentence would be: 'people have the freedom to express their individual opinions'.

This states that people already have the capacity to express their opinions, whereas the modal verb 'should' would make it more of an ideal/right which is not currently being met.

Title: Re: Modal verbs?
Post by: dmitridr on April 30, 2015, 10:06:18 pm
Hello :)
At school we've started doing some formal short answer questions, however I am struggling with explaining the functions of what the function of particular words are, or more specifically modal verbs.

For example, what sort of things would you write if asked to describe the function of the modal verb 'should' in 'People should have the freedom to express their individual opinions'?

Thank you :)

Always remember that modal verbs indicates modality (i.e. qualities such as permission, possibility, obligation, ability etc). Without these, the sentence would have a totally different meaning. E.g. 'You must eat' is different to 'you may eat'.
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: I am a unicorn on May 12, 2015, 09:49:08 pm
Hi :)

Does anyone know what the sentence structure of the following sentence is?
'Jess loves to go to the beach and spend her days swimming'

My teacher said it was simple... but I thought it was compound because some words could have been ellipted...
i.e. 'Jess loves to go to the beach and [Jess loves to] spend her days swimming'

Thanks! :)
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: dmitridr on May 14, 2015, 11:35:37 pm
Hi :)

Does anyone know what the sentence structure of the following sentence is?
'Jess loves to go to the beach and spend her days swimming'

My teacher said it was simple... but I thought it was compound because some words could have been ellipted...
i.e. 'Jess loves to go to the beach and [Jess loves to] spend her days swimming'

Thanks! :)

Hi there :) That would be compound as it is two independent clauses! It can't be simple as 'spend her days swimming' in this case is not a phrase.

I hope that helps!
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: I am a unicorn on May 14, 2015, 11:53:22 pm
Hi there :) That would be compound as it is two independent clauses! It can't be simple as 'spend her days swimming' in this case is not a phrase.

I hope that helps!

Thanks for clarifying that! :)
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: MrsNicoleB on June 26, 2015, 02:27:20 pm
Your teacher was right - it is simple.  It is NOT compound - you can't just add in the pronoun you think has been left out. 
What they have used here is a double predicate - see here: http://www.writing.com/main/books/entry_id/486868
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: I am a unicorn on July 11, 2015, 05:36:50 pm
Hello :)

Is using media examples from 2013 in essays a bad idea? are 2013 examples too old?

Thanks :)
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: grannysmith on July 11, 2015, 05:42:24 pm
Hello :)

Is using media examples from 2013 in essays a bad idea? are 2013 examples too old?

Thanks :)
Should be fine, but of course, the more recent the better.
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: dmitridr on July 11, 2015, 08:02:15 pm
Should be fine, but of course, the more recent the better.

As usual, linguist quotes are fine no matter how old they are. However, with regards to media examples, I would highly recommend no older than 2013 unless they are amazing examples!

Here's a hint to find modern media examples - go to Google News and type in keywords surrounding the AOS. For example, if I type in 'Australian slang' on Google News, the second article is INCREDIBLY useful for Unit 4 AOS 1:
https://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&gl=au&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=Australian+Slang&oq=Australian+Slang&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j0j43i53.6412.8311.0.8393.16.11.0.5.5.1.265.1420.2j6j2.10.0...0.0...1ac.1.7X_kSrygJ3I


This is HOW you find modern 2015 examples :)
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: heids on August 11, 2015, 08:39:08 pm
TONS (like 2 or 3 per day)

You call 2-3 tons?!?  Anything below ~4-5 per day is really not hitting it, if you're not even doing like 2 per day, you'd better step up your game bruh!


... just kiddin'.

I didn't do Eng Lang, but I know with English that number of essays doesn't directly correlate to scores.  If you're learning something from every essay, rather than just smashing them out without focusing on improving, that's when you'll get the advantage.  Don't compare yourself with others, it really doesn't help.  It's not the quantity of essays that matters, but the quality of your study time - which you can't compare between people.

Smarter, not harder :)
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: Mieow on August 11, 2015, 08:50:58 pm
Hi everyone :)
I have a sac (essay) in a few days, and was just wondering how many practice essays under timed conditions I should to in preparation?
So far I've written about 5, and I'm just freaking out because I found out that a lot of my friends are writing TONS (like 2 or 3 per day) and this is really scaring me - should I be doing the same thing?

Thank you! :)
I'm going to sound like a broken record but: quality > quantity.
If those 5 essays you wrote had very developed, well-thought out ideas that are all different to each other and have given you more confidence to tackle whatever topic may be thrown at you then you're in a very good place.
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: Redoxify on August 15, 2015, 11:47:35 am
What is the purpose of emphatic stress in an australian radio broadcast show, between three interlocutors?
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: grannysmith on August 15, 2015, 01:46:51 pm
What is the purpose of emphatic stress in an australian radio broadcast show, between three interlocutors?
Many purposes - can you elaborate?
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: Redoxify on August 15, 2015, 06:35:55 pm
It is a three way conversation between three people, discussing p plate drivers,
what are the purposes of empahtic stress in general, so I can expand on it with the given context
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: I am a unicorn on August 15, 2015, 09:29:21 pm
It is a three way conversation between three people, discussing p plate drivers,
what are the purposes of empahtic stress in general, so I can expand on it with the given context

Well, if its on a radio show, possible functions may be:
- to emphasise a key word or point
- to add some emotional force (possibly to make it more entertaining for listeners?)
- to ensure what is being said can be clearly heard by the audience of the radio show

If I've missed anything feel free to add on :)

Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: Redoxify on August 15, 2015, 09:50:11 pm
how would you relate it to the function of this text, which would be to entertain the audience?
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: Mieow on August 15, 2015, 10:02:59 pm
how would you relate it to the function of this text, which would be to entertain the audience?

tbh in order for us to give you the best answer possible we'd need to see the transcript so that we have a better understanding of the whole context and relationship between the interlocutors.
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: I am a unicorn on September 11, 2015, 12:03:33 am
Hi :)
What subsystem does tense (e.g. Past tense, present tense) go under?
Sometimes I want to describe it in analytical commentaries but I don't actually know which paragraph it put it in :-\

Thanks :)
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: zsteve on September 13, 2015, 07:49:35 pm
I think it belongs in syntax... not too sure about that though. It seems to incorporate both aspects of lexis (e.g. past participle forms) as well as syntax (verb phrases). If I were you, I'd first see if it was important enough to comment on (e.g. if it plays a major role in supporting some function/purpose) and then maybe I'd use a different approach to analysis, if I could think up 3 points encompassing the text on which to build 3 paragraphs (you don't need to structure your AC by subsystem!).
For example, I could mention tense in a paragraph on the informative function of some text, claiming that the tense reflects the temporal relevance of the ideas expressed.
Other than that, personally I wouldn't group it into syntax paragraphs
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: I am a unicorn on September 19, 2015, 11:38:39 pm
For essays, how many times should we refer to the stimulus material?

Thank you :)
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: MrsNicoleB on September 25, 2015, 12:13:37 pm
I would only refer once to it - many students rely heavily on the stimulus material which weakens their responses.  Everyone has access to it - therefore everyone refers to it - and you will make yourself stand out more if you use your own examples.  By all means look at it, as it will point you in the right direction in terms of the topic.  I would encourage you to discuss the topic, use one of their examples then add your own relevant evidence too  :)
Title: Re: I am a Unicorn's Englang Question Thread
Post by: I am a unicorn on September 25, 2015, 01:25:09 pm
I would only refer once to it - many students rely heavily on the stimulus material which weakens their responses.  Everyone has access to it - therefore everyone refers to it - and you will make yourself stand out more if you use your own examples.  By all means look at it, as it will point you in the right direction in terms of the topic.  I would encourage you to discuss the topic, use one of their examples then add your own relevant evidence too  :)

Thank you :D