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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Health sciences => Topic started by: MelonBar on May 17, 2015, 02:29:10 pm
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Hi guys, I have a question about FFP places:
Md and dds costs $257K at unimelb, but FEE-HELP will only cover $120K of that. I presume most people who accept FFPs will take out a loan to cover the difference. Can anyone provide some input on this? Will banks loan that much money to a student with little credit history? What's the interest like on $130K? It seems like a huge commitment and probably not worth the trouble, but if anyone can share their experience on this it would really help with my application
Cheers 8)
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While I don't have the exact answer to your question, I do know that a bank will never hand out money like nobody's business. I am under the impression that for you to receive a loan from the bank in the order of $130K, you would need to have some sort of collateral, especially considering that as a medical student, your debt will grow for at least four years before you can even begin working, let alone paying it off. And then you also have to consider that on top of a loan from a bank (which carries with it interest and other associated fees), you have HECS for your undergraduate as well as FEE-HELP for the remainder of the MD. While HECS and FEE-HELP obligations should not impede your ability to gain a line of credit from a bank, you should be careful with committing yourself to exorbitant debts.
I for one am not even putting FFP down simply because I refuse to accept it as a viable way to train any type of professional, especially physicians. Everything should come down to merit: either you are good enough to get in with your grades or not. It should not come down to having old money or what have you.
Sorry to rant, but this is a systematic failure of the government at the highest of levels in failing to provide adequate funding for a health system that is so clearly and so desperately required for society to function properly. Same goes for education in general.
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Also FFP students aren't guaranteed internships either.
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The CSP guarantee extends only to 2017. Whilst it'll probably be extended, in the current climate who knows. I think the COAG people are meeting soon actually.
In terms of a loan, you're quite correct in that banks are generally not happy to make a six figure, unsecured loan. The common approach is for parents to increase their mortgage on the understanding that the child will repay them when they're a working professional.
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Do you mean that guaranteed internships only extends up to those who apply for internships in 2017? Or that students admitted to medical school before 2017 are guaranteed?
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The former. There's currently a large review of medical internships taking place and whilst I wouldn't get overly worried about it, they will obviously make various recommendations to the government
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The former. There's currently a large review of medical internships taking place and whilst I wouldn't get overly worried about it, they will obviously make various recommendations to the government
Seeing how the government is bringing healthcare downhill I would not be slightly suprised to see this situation worsening... :(
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Hm damn. It would seem like a big waste to spend so much $$$ training students just to dick them without an internship.
Also never thought about this but does anyone know about the training pathway for the DDS? Will CSPs get a guaranteed internship too?
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Hm damn. It would seem like a big waste to spend so much $$$ training students just to dick them without an internship.
Also never thought about this but does anyone know about the training pathway for the DDS? Will CSPs get a guaranteed internship too?
For the DDS you don't need an internship. You're fully qualified upon graduation.
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Hm damn. It would seem like a big waste to spend so much $$$ training students just to dick them without an internship.
Also never thought about this but does anyone know about the training pathway for the DDS? Will CSPs get a guaranteed internship too?
DDS don't have internship? You can start working as a registered dentist in the private sector as soon as you graduate ;)
EDIT: Hehetymen beat me to it :P
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I see. Awesome.
I applied for Dent as a back up but am probably still going to reject it if I had to choose between applying for med next year or doing dent instead.
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I see. Awesome.
I applied for Dent as a back up but am probably still going to reject it if I had to choose between applying for med next year or doing dent instead.
You know you can start 1st year DDS and reapply and maintain your GPA for entry the year after right? (That's what some guy I know is doing) :)
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True but maintaining your GPA in dent would be hard as balls. Its difficulty is comparable to med.
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True but maintaining your GPA in dent would be hard as balls. Its difficulty is comparable to med.
Your GPA for application is only from your undergrad? So your DDS gpa is irrelevant?
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If some dent results are out by the end of sem 1 then surely it will count to your GPA? If it's released at the end of the year then I might consider that backup pathway.
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If some dent results are out by the end of sem 1 then surely it will count to your GPA? If it's released at the end of the year then I might consider that backup pathway.
I'm fairly certain post grad degrees (DDS/DO/DPT) don't count to your GPA (as they aren't undergraduate?)
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I thought they used the results of the last 3 years of a full degree? So if you did dent you wouldn't be able to use your dent degree and they'd just take your biomed results.
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Right. I was under the impression that it was just the last three years of any university degree. That clears things up.
Cheers guys!
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If I miss my CSPs I might just do that and reapply in 1st year of DDS (if I get into DDS!) : ))
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CSP spots for DDS at UoM (cos no interview) are pretty competitive. IIRC the lowest score I saw last year for CSP was about 6.5-6.6ish GPA with 70 GAMSAT. USyd and UWA are lower + have interviews but then you'd have to move.
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Sorry to spoil the party, but applying to DDS with the intention of leaving after the first year is very selfish. You'd be taking an opportunity away from a legitimate student. Just my two cents.
Also, as above, your GPA is calculated from completed (or about to be completed) degrees. I think Russ said something similar a while back too.
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hey guys can someone help me out with applications to dent?
I'm confused what documentation I'm supposed to post to GEMSAS for the 12th and 26th June
I understand them needing my academic transcript. am I supposed to order the one that includes up to the end of 2nd year and post that by the 12th June? or the one that includes the Semester 1 2015 results?
any help would be really appreciated :(
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hey guys can someone help me out with applications to dent?
I'm confused what documentation I'm supposed to post to GEMSAS for the 12th and 26th June
I understand them needing my academic transcript. am I supposed to order the one that includes up to the end of 2nd year and post that by the 12th June? or the one that includes the Semester 1 2015 results?
any help would be really appreciated :(
Hey buddy, I think GEMSAS automatically gets your documents (academic transcript) from the uni directly?
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For UoM dent I remember I had to order an academic transcript last year and mail it. I vaguely remember needing to send two transcripts; the second one being after the rest of my results came out. Not certain anymore though. I would call up UoM.
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You can find the info on the GEMSAS DDS admissions guide.
Current undergraduate studies (Semester 1) - If you will be completing an undergraduate Degree in 2015, send your
Coversheet and Transcripts for all study including 1st semester results, postmarked no later no later than 31st July
2015.
Current undergraduate studies (Conditional Offer) - If you have been made a conditional offer and have completed
an undergraduate Degree or any single subject pre-requisite studies in 2015, send your Coversheet and Transcripts
including final results and degree conferral, postmarked no later than 7 January 2016.
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My bad guys, sorry (I thought it was all automatically done)! :(
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hey guys can someone help me out with applications to dent?
I'm confused what documentation I'm supposed to post to GEMSAS for the 12th and 26th June
I understand them needing my academic transcript. am I supposed to order the one that includes up to the end of 2nd year and post that by the 12th June? or the one that includes the Semester 1 2015 results?
any help would be really appreciated :(
Haha what? Where did you get these dates from? It says one transcript is due on the 31st of July and the 2nd one in January. Unless I'm missing something
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Thanks for the help everyone! Yep MelonBar, I stupidly looked at some random dates on the GEMSAS website.
So we will need to order our transcript AFTER all semester 1 results arrive?
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Yeah :)
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What are the thoughts on a BMP at UoM vs CSP at Monash or Deakin given that RoS is now gonna be 1 year? Is 1 year gonna have a huge impact on working back in metro areas?
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Bear in mind that at least some of your obligation is to work rurally after you qualify as a fellow of a college. There are implications for finding jobs for some specialties in rural areas as well as having to leave metro practice behind (albeit only for a year).
But you can still buy the contract out, so how bad can it be?
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Do my documents for the deakim bonuses need to be certified? Sorry if its an obvious question..
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Some people were asking about the MRBS changes. I got an email this morning from the PMCV saying that if you place a rural/regional health service as your 1st preference for a internship, then you are eligible to apply for a $20,000 scholarship. There are 30 available. Looks like they rolled the MRBS into BMP but then came up with a new scheme as well.
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First rejection from Flinders :P
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First rejection from Flinders :P
Dem feels. C'mooooooon USyd. Swear this cht is acting as checkpoints for my year.
Brb USyd confirmation/predicted cut-offs.
Brb Flinders interview offers.
Brb USyd actual interview offers.
Brb Flinders place offers (can rule this out now).
Brb USyd place offers.
Brb GEMSAS interview offers.
Brb GEMSAS place offers.
Spaced out just far apart enough that I got something to look forward to.
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Hey guys, I applied for unimelb dent. Currently waiting for my sem 1 results. After this, I know I need to order an academic transcript and then send it with the gemsas coversheet to them. Does anyone know how long it will take for the transcript to arrive (I'm just worried because I'm going to singapore in a couple of days and won't be back till the 25th) :-\
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Hey guys, I applied for unimelb dent. Currently waiting for my sem 1 results. After this, I know I need to order an academic transcript and then send it with the gemsas coversheet to them. Does anyone know how long it will take for the transcript to arrive (I'm just worried because I'm going to singapore in a couple of days and won't be back till the 25th) :-\
Have a look here.
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So, looks like I'll have a combo of 1.62-1.64 for UoM. Hopefully that's enough for interview or dentistry.
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That should be good enough for an interview MelonBar!
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what do you guys think about a combo of 1.58-1.59 with a grad access in personal difficulties for both med and dent?
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what do you guys think about a combo of 1.58-1.59 with a grad access in personal difficulties for both med and dent?
Really difficult to say :(
Because each GA application is based off different circumstances of various intensities.
I'd say that you'd have a good shot at DDS (FFP) but can't really say much about others cause I honestly don't know much else :(
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yeah thanks for your input! I'm assuming all the combos use melbourne weighted gamsat and not the one shown when we get gamsat results?
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They do, but the 1.xx 'combo' people talk about isn't actually what the universities use (unless they've publicly stated so, since I graduated). There are multiple different ways to combine scores and rank people, which is why you shouldn't assume you're out of the running based on posted scores.
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I think that's the case! And yes, many different ways to standardise the scores and rank applicants but nevertheless the combo (GPA/7 + GAMSAT/100) gives a rough ballpark figure!
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Have any of you ordered your transcripts for Dent yet by the way? Paranoid about missing the deadline lol.
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You can get it done right away at Baldwin Spencer. People who applied for sydney got their transcript printed on the spot when they paid. You won't miss the deadline since you need the envelope containing the documents to be postmarked no later than 31st July
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Awesome, cheers!
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do you guys think it's smarter for me to order my transcript to be delivered (I'm currently overseas) or go to get it done directly when I arrive back on the 25th?
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Hi everyone,
Just wondering if anyone is interested in enrolling in this course? If you buy it before 11:59PM on Thursday 23rd of July you will pay $655 instead of $875. Also, if you buy it in a group of 4 (or more) you will save a further 10% making it just under $600 per person. My friend and I are interested so we just need 2 more people to make up a group of 4. Everyone pays separately via the website and then we send an email to the coordinator with our group members' names and they will then process the 10% discount. See link below for more information.
https://www.gradready.com.au/interviewready/interviewready
Let me know if you're interested!
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If anybody doing MMI preparation for Melbourne is interested, there'll be a bunch of us having regular practise sessions in Brownless Project Room 2 at 3-5 on Fridays and 12-2 on Mondays, so feel free to come along! We'll be pretty much discussing some of the stations and doing mock interviews (and will put focus on the latter as the weeks go by)
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For anyone interested, you can email [email protected] with your full name and GAMSAT ID as the subject line to get your interim GPAs now.
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Does anyone remember around when the UoM interviews (and Deakin) are held? I should start seriously preparing soon :-[
Nek minnit
Doesn't get interview
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The official timeline is for late sept - early oct but UoM hold theirs in the midsem break week
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Not a 2016 question but would anyone be able to let me know an approximate of what GPA you needed last year for UoM (considering a GAMSAT score of 70)?
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For 2014 entry, the average for interviews (including rural scores) was 6.7 GPA and 67 Melbourne weighted GAMSAT.
For 2015 entry, the average for interviews again was 6.6 GPA and 67 Melbourne weighted GAMSAT.
If you have a 70 Melboure weighted GAMSAT then I would randomly guess that a 6.4 GPA might be enough to get you an interview, but to get a CSP you'd want it to be higher (take this completely for a grain of salt) to be safe.
And if you want more data I compiled a buncha scores from PD a while ago (non-rural scores), but note that the GPA/7 + GAMSAT/100 combo only gives a rough ballpark figure.
(http://i.imgur.com/fldj8pt.png)
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Check your emails today and tomorrow guys. Emails of Death have just been sent out apparently.
Best of luck everyone. Keep soldiering on no matter what.
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Good luck Shenz0r! :)
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Haha, PD just died from traffic.
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A lot of high scores have received rejections apparently, like some guy with 70 missed out on UQ
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Every year the people on PD say the same thing about people with high scores being rejected, but we don't know all of their preferences, whether they ticked in BMP/FFP, whether it was of the weightage of the uni's they preferenced.
It's not that surprising though, UQ's cut off should jump up dramatically because last year was more of a special case if anything. They won't have as many spots on offer this year.
It appears that Deakin's cutoff has also increased a bit.
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Fuarkk didn't get an EoD but was perusing the EoD thread. That was scary. Someone with 6.5 GPA and 66 GAMSAT missed out (had Deakin preferenced too). Would've thought he'd get one somewhere with that combo. The dude with 70 who missed out on UQ had BMP preferenced too.
Brb refreshing email in case I received a delayed EoD.
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I think all the EoDs have been sent out, if you haven't got an email in your inbox by now you should be in the clear. :)
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Melbourne interviews are out! :D
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Passed down from Melbourne with 1.63. Fuqqq. When are Deakin interviews?
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Guess I'm Monash or Deakin then. Tfw Deakin GPA is 6.88 but UoM is 6.58. If only I could swap them around.
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Hey guys! What does this mean for people intending to apply in like 2021? Like, I know I don't have that kind of money for a down payment. Will I have to work for a bit before actually applying? :o
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Hey guys! What does this mean for people intending to apply in like 2021?
I don't think anyone knows what entrance to med will be like in 5-6 years time :P You're really best off worrying about VCE now, and worry about GAMSAT and all that jazz once you've got a handle of your uni studies.
Are you applying for undergrad med? At places like JCU? If not, why not? (and if so, awesome!)
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Congratulations and commiserations as appropriate. Unfortunately entry is a non-transparent, competitive process that means it's really difficult to know anything about your individual application and why others differ.
Hey guys! What does this mean for people intending to apply in like 2021? Like, I know I don't have that kind of money for a down payment. Will I have to work for a bit before actually applying? :o
What do you mean a down payment? If you take a non full-fee place then you won't have to pay anything other than living costs etc.
And as above, nobody has any idea what the system will be like in 2021
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Guess I'm Monash or Deakin then. Tfw Deakin GPA is 6.88 but UoM is 6.58. If only I could swap them around.
Bl bro - Monash was 69 gamsat cut off from what I heard so hopefully you hear from them soon :)
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I don't think anyone knows what entrance to med will be like in 5-6 years time :P You're really best off worrying about VCE now, and worry about GAMSAT and all that jazz once you've got a handle of your uni studies.
Are you applying for undergrad med? At places like JCU? If not, why not? (and if so, awesome!)
Yeah thanks. I know I shouldn't be worrying about this stuff, I'm just thinking about my pathways. I want to do medicine, but I've still only thought of Victorian universities...not interstate (yet). Who knows...who knows...All i have to do now is the VCE, get into my course and study hard to keep up that lovely GPA!
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Congratulations and commiserations as appropriate. Unfortunately entry is a non-transparent, competitive process that means it's really difficult to know anything about your individual application and why others differ.
What do you mean a down payment? If you take a non full-fee place then you won't have to pay anything other than living costs etc.
And as above, nobody has any idea what the system will be like in 2021
I'm looking to apply to UoM MD through the 6.7GPA and 67 GAMSAT route. That's a CSP place right? Also, is that Graduate MBBS at Monash CSP as well? The one where only ~25 non Biomed kids get interviews. Thanks!
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I want to do medicine, but I've still only thought of Victorian universities...not interstate (yet).
If you really want to do medicine, I think you should start thinking about interstate about now before applications close (assuming they haven't already!).
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I'm looking to apply to UoM MD through the 6.7GPA and 67 GAMSAT route. That's a CSP place right? Also, is that Graduate MBBS at Monash CSP as well? The one where only ~25 non Biomed kids get interviews. Thanks!
Yes they're both CSPs, so you don't need to worry about down-payments. The government subsidises your fees and then you pay it back when you start working. All unis will offer CSP but there are some spots that are FFP, which are often allocated to internationals or local students who are at the bottom end of the intake (if you're willing to pay).
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If you really want to do medicine, I think you should start thinking about interstate about now before applications close (assuming they haven't already!).
I really do want to do medicine. I'm still in year 12, and I didn't do Chemistry, or UMAT for that matter so no undergrad medicine for me. I'm aiming to do the apparent impossible task of the whole graduate medicine thing. I have a few questions:
- Why did people who got like 70+ in the GAMSAT not get interviews? Low GPAs?
- Is the whole MBBS at Gippsland thing only really possible for Biomed kids? I know about the 25 rule.
Thanks!
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I really do want to do medicine. I'm still in year 12, and I didn't do Chemistry, or UMAT for that matter so no undergrad medicine for me. I'm aiming to do the apparent impossible task of the whole graduate medicine thing. I have a few questions:
- Why did people who got like 70+ in the GAMSAT not get interviews? Low GPAs?
- Is the whole MBBS at Gippsland thing only really possible for Biomed kids? I know about the 25 rule.
Thanks!
It's possible if you're enrolled at a specificed degree outlined by the Monash Medical Faculty.
Where did you see that people missed out with >70 ont he gamsat?
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It's possible if you're enrolled at a specificed degree outlined by the Monash Medical Faculty.
Where did you see that people missed out with >70 ont he gamsat?
I can't remember, but around here somewhere. GAMSAT results thread maybe...I'm going to do the BEng/BSc (BSc with my electives being the three prerequisites and other Bio/Chem based Science, and the BEng, just in case it doesn't work out :'() I don't know what to major in though, does it have to be health science based? I would do math otherwise.
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I can't remember, but around here somewhere. GAMSAT results thread maybe...I'm going to do the BEng/BSc (BSc with my electives being the three prerequisites and other Bio/Chem based Science, and the BEng, just in case it doesn't work out :'() I don't know what to major in though, does it have to be health science based? I would do math otherwise.
For Monash MBBS Grad pathway not sure whether you can get accepted through that pathway.
With regards to other unis such as UoM, there is no major requirement however you must complete the 3 prerequisite subjects (Biochem, Anat, Physiology @ UoM 2nd year standard).
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For Monash MBBS Grad pathway not sure whether you can get accepted through that pathway.
With regards to other unis such as UoM, there is no major requirement however you must complete the 3 prerequisite subjects (Biochem, Anat, Physiology @ UoM 2nd year standard).
Yeah thanks. Those are the ones! Monash have equivalency to that...right?
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Yeah thanks. Those are the ones! Monash have equivalency to that...right?
Yeh mate! All the best :)
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Shiiiiit I think I was meant to get an EoD, all the interview offers are out except monash or UQ which I have no chance of getting into. The cutoffs went up massively. GG.
(http://www.gifwave.com/media/691501_computer-to-the-bin.gif)
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Serious question - how many of you have a "med or dent only" attitude / know someone with that mentality? Like, no consideration of Physio, Optometry, Research?
I mean even in this thread, there was discussion of going into the DDS with the intention of transferring to medicine
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Serious question - how many of you have a "med or dent only" attitude / know someone with that mentality? Like, no consideration of Physio, Optometry, Research?
I mean even in this thread, there was discussion of going into the DDS with the intention of transferring to medicine
Everyone has a backup plan because it makes no sense to not have one. Some I've heard are physio, podiatry, optometry etc. even teaching.
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Shiiiiit I think I was meant to get an EoD, all the interview offers are out except monash or UQ which I have no chance of getting into. The cutoffs went up massively. GG.
(http://www.gifwave.com/media/691501_computer-to-the-bin.gif)
You can email GEMSAS and ask them directly.
Serious question - how many of you have a "med or dent only" attitude / know someone with that mentality? Like, no consideration of Physio, Optometry, Research?
I mean even in this thread, there was discussion of going into the DDS with the intention of transferring to medicine
My preference is more like med > dent > research. I don't think you'll find many people with that mentality as we all need something to fall upon, given how crazy competitive it's become
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It's probably because I'm a first year, but almost all my biomed friends have that mentality of "med or dent" which is hilariously stereotypical
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They'll definitely change their minds come 3rd year.
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If you guys don't mind, what kind of GAMSAT/GPAs do you have going into this?
Also, are GAMSAT/GPAs requirements increasing heaps? Like, in 2021, will it be like 75 on the GAMSAT and a 7.0 GPA?
Thanks!
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Like, in 2021, will it be like 75 on the GAMSAT and a 7.0 GPA?
Asking what it will be like in 2021 multiple times isn't going to make someone give you a good answer to it. No one knows and no one can know. Who knows if the GAMSAT will even be used in 2021, they could have a new test, or they could make a pre-requisite of being able to 'hop on one foot for 2 minutes while singing and solving the Rubik's cube".
No one knows.
The forum Paging Dr has results from years and years of entry, feel free to suss out the trends, feed them into an Excel spreadsheet, and make projections for 2021 :)
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Asking what it will be like in 2021 multiple times isn't going to make someone give you a good answer to it.
lol dude, I was just asking what you guys thought. I didn't mean to repeat myself and spam this place or anything. Just thought it was question thread...
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If you guys don't mind, what kind of GAMSAT/GPAs do you have going into this?
Also, are GAMSAT/GPAs requirements increasing heaps? Like, in 2021, will it be like 75 on the GAMSAT and a 7.0 GPA?
Thanks!
Too hard to predict what it will be like in 2021 but the general consensus is that the scores needed for entry are inflating.
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It's probably because I'm a first year, but almost all my biomed friends have that mentality of "med or dent" which is hilariously stereotypical
WAit til 3rd year - then its pretty much 100% med ;)
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My preference is more like med > dent > research. I don't think you'll find many people with that mentality as we all need something to fall upon, given how crazy competitive it's become
Pretty much my preference although for a period in second year I had dent > med > research. After this year I can safely say research is no longer on any list whatsoever for future career.
@Melon apparently not all Deakin offers are out yet. Quite a few people on PD who have only Deakin as a viable option left but no EoD.