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Title: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 15, 2015, 04:34:56 pm
Whether or not you've posted before, anyone's free to join in at any point!

Every Saturday from now to the exam, I’ll post 1-2 letters-to-the-editor or short editorials from The Age.  The aim is that, weekly, those who join in will post
a.  a short analysis
b.  feedback on one other person’s analysis.

NOTE: anyone can post without being added to the spreadsheet; and anyone can join at any time, even a few weeks down the track!  If you ask to ‘join the club’, I’ll add your name into this Excel spreadsheet, where I’ll record whether you’ve posted your analysis and given feedback each week, as a form of accountability.  If we get enough people, it'll turn into a points-scoring competition, where you get a point for each piece posted and each piece of feedback marked, plus bonus marks for extra-helpful people and those with the greatest improvement.

This is not a replacement for other work and full LA essays; it's just something small and consistent that also involves giving and receiving feedback and accountability.

Why join in?
Short and easy.  Getting up the time, motivation and confidence to write a full essay can be quite daunting.  Start with something short and simple like this to build up confidence!

Consistency.  Because it’s small commitment (very short piece) and you don’t have to search for articles, it’s easy to do this little and often, which is where you’ll make the most improvement.

Accountability.  Everyone can see if you haven’t done it, and I’ll personally pester you by PM if you don’t post for a couple of weeks.  Hopefully we can guilt-trip you into working ;)

Get feedback and work collaboratively.

Easy to get into the mind of the assessor.  Giving feedback on other people’s work is a super valuable experience that should send your own marks skyrocketing; and since it’s just a short piece which you’ve just written on yourself, it should be quick and easy rather than a large time commitment, and give you more ideas for your own writing!

No matter whether you’re scoring 2/10 or 10/10, I’d love you to join.  This is for all!  If you think you’re hopeless, don’t feel shy about posting your piece, we won’t judge; and don’t be scared to give feedback, it’ll still help someone, and even more yourself.  I know I would have been terrified to post too, but put your ego aside; do you want people to see you as hopeless now, or come exam results day?  If you think you’re above other people’s feedback, then … well post anyway, we still want you round despite your ego :P.  Unsure of how to give feedback?  Read through other people's feedback in Compilation of Language Analysis Feedback.

How do I structure a piece?
Totally up to you; you can do a mini 500 word essay, with full-on brief intro, conclusion and short body paras, or you can just dive straight into one paragraph of analysis after a 2-sentence summary of the contention and overall approaches.

Because the focus is on improving analysis rather than dealing with a whole article, don’t stress about structure.

To reduce clutter, please clearly label your posts with bold large font headings, identifying which letter you’re analysing or whose work you’re marking.  Please put your pieces in spoiler tags too so other people don't read them before writing!

Weekly letters and links
The spoilers below contain each week's letter, plus links to people's pieces and feedback (so you can see who to give feedback to).

WEEK 1: 'This ordinary bloke has finally had enough'
This ordinary bloke has finally had enough

I'm just an ordinary bloke, with a $400k mortgage, two kids in primary school, two at work. The missus works part time and I drive a truck 55 hours a week. We make ends meet. I love my footy and don't give a rats about politics; in fact I haven't voted in 40 years. It's taken a while to get to this point but I am sick to death of the lies and deceit, sick of being taken for an idiot – by pollies and union leaders who brazenly abuse their perks.

And then when some ordinary Aussies return home from camps that have been set up on islands to protect me from "soft" borders and complain of the abuse of kids and the rape of their mums by people I'm paying to protect me, I'm told the "whingers" are just disaffected liars with a political agenda. And when a bunch of doctors leave their cushy well-paid jobs to help out in these gulags and return home saying, "Geez, Greg, things are pretty crook!", what am I told by pollies? Nothing. They simply change the laws to shut the docs up and threaten them with two years in jail. Why? So they can continue to lie to me about their solution.

I'm ashamed to say all this went through to the keeper. I just kept working, focusing on my family, making ends meet. The final straw was: "We can't comment on operational matters because we can't alert the baddies to our tactics." It's enough to make you want to fly a plane into Parliament. (I suggest a paper plane with your concerns written on it delivered to your local member.) And me? I'm off to enrol.
Greg Trenton, Neerim East

Links to pieces and feedback
vcelife + feedback (Splash-Tackle-Flail)
izzywantsa97 + feedback (Burt Macklin)
paper-back + feedback (cosine)
Burt Macklin + feedback (me)
tommyl97 + feedback (Burt Macklin)

WEEK 2: Big Tobacco
Background: a confidential survey was run in schools which included questions about students' smoking habits and purchase.   Big tobacco companies then attempted to get access to this data, presumably to target their marketing more effectively to teens.

Letter:

As a medical practitioner for half a century I have witnessed firsthand the destruction of lives by tobacco products. I view it as nothing short of evil. It is incomprehensible how anyone other than a criminal or sociopath could justify promoting and profiting from an addictive product, known to cause mortality and morbidity.

While Big Tobacco may be acting within the law, it has abandoned any pretence to be ethical or moral. For such pedlars of death to entice those of a mature age to take up such a lethal habit is shameful, but seeking to influence children to risk their health would be diabolical. I expect that employees of such companies must struggle with their inner voices. I can only assume that lawyers who defend these organisations have somehow quarantined their consciences.

Graham Lum North Rocks

Links to pieces and feedback
cosine + feedback (sunshine98)
sunshine98 + feedback (Splash-Tackle-Flail)
paper-back + feedback (Burt Macklin)
Splash-Tackle-Flail + feedback (duo0024)
duo0024 + feedback (tashhhaaa)
Burt Macklin
tashhhaaa + feedback (vcelife) + feedback (TheAspiringDoc)

WEEK 3: Death Penalty
NB it's evidently American as we don't have the death penalty in Aus (my free The Age limit ran out for the month :P)


People are scary as hell. No, I am not talking about death row inmates. I am talking about you, the average everyday human.

The death penalty is a stain on our already embarrassing criminal “justice” system. Until we go 20+ years without a single wrongful murder conviction there is no conceivable argument in favor of the death penalty that does not intrinsically make the case that murdering some innocent people is perfectly fine and justifiable as long as we kill some bad people too.

Read some comments from ordinary people today on Reddit, when it was pointed out that life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty (due to the costly appeal process):
“The solution to that is so simple: no Death Row. Sentence is passed and carried out same day.”
“Rope is cheap and re-usable. They knew how to handle this in the old days….”
“Two shots to the back of the head. Way cheaper.”
“Ideally, repeat offenders would just get put down immediately.”
“That’s because we allow them too many appeals. It would be extremely easy to lower the cost. Give them a couple years of appeals and then hang them.”


Their bloodlust is so high that they are honestly making the case that we should remove some, or all, of the protections against executing even more innocents!  These people are literally arguing that we should make it easier to accidentally kill good people if it means we can kill more bad people for cheaper. 

That is horrifying. I feel like much of the world never thinks shit through past their initial emotional reaction to things and that is why you people are just as terrifying, if not more so, than the violent criminal that is spending his life in prison. You people vote.

Links to pieces + feedback
vcelife + feedback (TheAspiringDoc)
Burt Macklin + feedback (TheAspiringDoc)

WEEK 4: Melbourne Airport's Toilets
Shameful introduction

I have travelled often and each time I have been at Melbourne Airport I have been disgusted at the state of the toilets. For a First World, rich, well-resourced country, these are Third World standard; dirty floors, grubby toilets, broken or cracked furniture and grimy sinks. The facilities don't look like they have been updated for years.

Considering how expensive all the services at the airport are, I would think that some of the profit should be used on appropriate and necessary facilities for travellers. Cleaners must be the lowest paid in the workforce, so it seems unconscionable behaviour to economise on their services at the expense of public health and safety. And since the airport and its facilities are the first introduction for overseas travellers to what Melbourne and Australia offers, I think this is shameful.

Esther Lewin, Caulfield

Links to pieces and feedback
TheAspiringDoc + feedback (duo0024) + feedback (literally lauren)
duo0024 + feedback (TheAspiringDoc
scottg15 + feedback (TheAspiringDoc)
That Other Guy + feedback (TheAspiringDoc)
Coffee + feedback (scottg15)
Burt Macklin

WEEK 5: Banning smacking

Letter 1
The idea of banning smacking is based on nothing but nauseating, dewy-eyed, new-age catch-phrases - ‘socioemotional needs’, ‘emotional affirmation’ and ‘rich parent-child relationships’.

Giving the cheeky brats a good ol’ wallop or two won’t hurt ‘em.  I want my kid to grow up to be an honest, upright guy.  Someone who can take what comes.  Someone who can shoulder his duty without a whimper.  Someone who reminds me of the spirit and courage of our dying Anzacs.  Not a washed-out wimp who needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool and take the occasional recourse to smelling salts on a lace handkerchief to nurture his fragile delicacy.

They knew how to do it in the good ole days.
Jem Fitzwiggin, Footscray

Letter 2
Banning smacking.  The idea terrifies me.  Why should the government steal my chance to build bonds of love and respect between myself and my child?

I'm sure you're very familiar with these broad discipline types showcased in supermarkets.
Type 1: ‘No Henry, we’re not buying that, we’re going.’  The mother struts self-consciously up the aisle… halts indecisively… turns and flutters ineffectually back.  The irresolute, frazzled nagging repeats ceaselessly, as little Henry crows triumphantly; he knows he’s already won.
Type 2: A ceaseless torrent of yelling and abuse – an accumulation of fermenting anger at all his crimes from yesterday, last week, last month. The child cowers in sullen fear and anger.
Type 3: a firm, solid smack.  Instant obedience.  Instant forgiveness and love, as the child cries into the warm, comforting arms of his mummy.   It’s over.  Finished.  They can move on.

Somehow they think banning type 3 discipline will better our relationships and society.  But I have yet to meet someone who can give one conceivable reason why a simple, firm, open-handed smack is more damaging than prolonged violent verbal abuse. Tell me.  How on earth can forcing parents towards types 1 and 2 develop parent-child love, trust and respect? Which type do you want for your child?  Which type do you want for your society?
Angie James, Toowoomba

Links to pieces + feedback:
scottg15
literally lauren's comments

WEEK 6: Controlled burns
Letter 1
I am not aware of one instance in which a controlled or planned burn has subsequently stopped or slowed the progress of a bushfire. From the present Lancefield disaster back to the fire that devastated Wilsons Promontory, and further back, many controlled/planned burns have become out of control. In addition, the poor air quality in regional areas caused by controlled or fuel-reduction burns seriously affects the health of residents. This ridiculous practice must cease. The only basis for controlled burning is the desire of successive state governments to be seen to be doing something about bushfires.

Authorities need to focus on such things as the prevention of arson, the education of machinery operators, and the use of 21st-century technology to locate fires as soon as possible after they start, so that they may be extinguished quickly. Where, during our bushfire season, are the large jet air tankers used in the US?

John Christiansen, St Kilda

Letter 2: Living in fear and dread
We live at the edge of the Great Dividing Range and lost everything on Black Saturday. With much care, we rebuilt to protect ourselves and our home and we are hyper-vigilant about weather conditions. Why did we bother?

On Tuesday, embers blew in from the Lancefield bushfire, 41kilometres away. Someone had lit a fire on the edge of a forest going into forecast days of extreme heat and strong wind.  This person was not an arsonist but an employee of the Environment Department. How can it have been so irresponsible?

Anyone with a grain of sense can see these forests are already in drought. Moreover, it is ironic that a strategy intended to protect people and assets from fire actually subjects them to that very trauma and loss. We are extremely nervous that one day the Environment Department will earmark our forest for a useless reduction burn and everyone from here to Marysville will re-live that tragic day in 2009.
Bonny Francis, Upper Plenty

Links to pieces + feedback
tashhhaaa + feedback (me... bangali_lok)
elysian + feedback (me)

WEEK 7: Two random pieces
(Yes.  These are totally unconnected, but I was in a real rush and grabbed the first two half-decent pieces I could find.)

Letter 1
It's heartening to see governments responding compassionately by moving to legalise medicinal marijuana. One reason is the realisation that those in need will source the drug anyway. Clearly it is preferable for governments to control supply than for citizens to take matters into their own hands. The same argument applies to medically assisted dying, also a means of relieving suffering yet seemingly a bridge too far for most politicians. Similarly, citizens who seek to avoid suffering will continue to hasten their own deaths without waiting for permission. But those deaths will occur by less suitable means, causing trauma to families and to those who find their bodies. Our politicians need to find the courage to act decisively in the matter of voluntary assisted deaths, and to show the same compassion that is evidenced with medical marijuana.

Bob Thomas, Blackburn South

Letter 2: Wean governments off the revenue

Jonathan Holmes highlights the pitiful situation that poker machines have created in this country. The ABC's program Ka-Ching Pokie Nation revealed the worst as far as problem gamblers and their families are concerned. Many hundreds of thousands of people are directly and indirectly affected in this way. The onus is on the gambler to be responsible for the product that makes people addicted in the first place. The bells, sounds, music etc are all there to suck people in to this legalised and government-endorsed "theft". Granted, more than 180,000 people are employed in pubs, clubs, casinos and other places with gambling facilities. Good for those people with jobs, but at what cost? Revenue-shifting at its best. The state governments "love" the tax revenue. The losses with pokies in clubs, pubs and casinos amount to $12billion. But governments really give out only a pittance to combat problem gambling. We need political action on this issue. We need to drastically cut poker machine numbers, reduce problem gamblers and losses and wean governments off the revenue. Politicians in the past may have failed but we should not give up fighting against powerful and entrenched interests and show how greedy and manipulative these interests really are.

Peter Allan, Blackburn

Links to pieces + feedback
99.90 pls + feedback (me)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on September 15, 2015, 04:40:04 pm
Great initiative!
Is it okay if I try and join in, despite my noobishness?   :D
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 15, 2015, 04:42:58 pm
Great initiative!
Is it okay if I try and join in, despite my noobishness?   :D

No matter whether you’re scoring 2/10 or 10/10, I’d love you to join.  This is for all!  If you think you’re hopeless, don’t feel shy about posting your piece, we won’t judge; and don’t be scared to give feedback, it’ll still help someone, and even more yourself.

I'm hoping for lots of support guys, to reiterate, all welcome and the more the merrier :D

@AspiringDoc, are you going officially on my spreadsheet or just going to join in and post randomly when you feel like it?
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on September 15, 2015, 04:49:39 pm
I'm hoping for lots of support guys, to reiterate, all welcome and the more the merrier :D

@AspiringDoc, are you going officially on my spreadsheet or just going to join in and post randomly when you feel like it?
Probably just a few inconsistent posts, so it'd be the latter.
UNLESS of course you get a prize, and it's done by year levels, in which case put me in!!  :D
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: izzywantsa97 on September 15, 2015, 04:59:56 pm
I'm keen! Any incentive to actually write a language analysis is good for me :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: fuzzymctiger on September 15, 2015, 05:04:42 pm
I'm in :) Sounds like a great idea
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 15, 2015, 05:07:08 pm
Probably just a few inconsistent posts, so it'd be the latter.
UNLESS of course you get a prize, and it's done by year levels, in which case put me in!!  :D
Hmm, prize.  I thought of that, but I couldn't come up with any that can be delivered via the internet :P  Any ideas?

And the competition wouldn't be about how well you're writing, so much as how consistently you're contributing (posting your pieces weekly, + feedback), and whether you're improving!

I'm keen! Any incentive to actually write a language analysis is good for me :)
Added to spreadsheet :)
... and yup, that's how I felt last year, which is why I did this!  The other great thing is that you don't have to sit down and write a whole analysis, instead it's like a 20-30 min commitment.

I'm in :) Sounds like a great idea
Awesome :))

RRR, my site block is about to come in to play, evil leechblocker >:(  I'll see who's joined up tomorrow!

Feel free to post your pieces on that letter as soon as possible, that's for this week so there'll be a new one Saturday :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: imaware on September 15, 2015, 05:30:32 pm
I'm in , sounds like a good idea to me :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: vcelife on September 16, 2015, 12:39:47 pm
Sounds like a great idea, I'd love to be a part of it :)

Here's my first analysis on "This ordinary bloke has finally had enough".. (Hope this is what I was supposed to do  ;))

Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me feedback :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 16, 2015, 01:02:52 pm
Want to emphasise a couple of things:
> No matter if everyone else's pieces are a million times better than yours, I PROMISE I won't judge; I was scared as hell of people judging my work as substandard last year.  vcelife has set a high standard, but POST ANYWAY.  Please.  For your sake... and to help out the others that are also scared as hell.  I'm betting 95% of you guys will think everyone else's is better than their own.  You're totally not alone, heaps of people are writing at your standard, and you won't look stupid.  This is heartfelt because I'm like the worst at stressing about looking stupid.

> Don't read other people's attempts before writing your own.  If you're posting your piece directly on the forum, please put it in a spoiler tag.

> And of course, need more people joining! both AN regulars and lurkers :)

I'm in , sounds like a good idea to me :)

Awesome, added you :)  And the link to the spreadsheet should now work.

Sounds like a great idea, I'd love to be a part of it :)

Here's my first analysis on "This ordinary bloke has finally had enough".. (Hope this is what I was supposed to do  ;))

Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me feedback :)

Thanks so much for being the first to post a piece!  Hopefully others will give feedback (since that's the point), and if it hasn't been marked in like a week I'll jump in and give fb :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: 99.90 pls on September 16, 2015, 02:27:51 pm
Awesome idea! Count me in - will post a piece (hopefully) tonight
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: izzywantsa97 on September 16, 2015, 03:34:02 pm
This is my attempt at the first piece! Ashamed to admit how long it took me...
This ordinary bloke has finally had enough
Spoiler
Australia’s corrupt and immoral political system has been attacked by Greg Trenton in his opinion piece, posted on The Age entitled ‘this ordinary bloke has finally had enough’. In a frustrated and outraged tone, Trenton contends to his readership that politicians are taking advantage of the nation’s despondence to protect their own interests, and abuse ‘ordinary Aussies’, ultimately seeking to position readers to fight against the political leaders. 

The writer first moves to criticise the ‘brazen’ abuse of the legal system by Australia’s political leaders. Immediately positioning himself as an ‘ordinary bloke’ whose ‘400k mortgage’ and family life place him in circumstances similar to those of many Australians, Trenton seeks to implicitly align himself alongside his audience through identifying with shared values to gain favour. This aims to make readers feel that the writer understands the concerns of his readership, and so positions them to be more receptive to his contention. Lamenting that he is ‘sick of being taken for an idiot’, Trenton asserts that Australia’s public is being manipulated by self-centred politicians, leading readers to feel cheated by the poor behaviour of politicians and frustrated by their ‘abuse’ of perks. In this manner, by invoking dissent amongst his readers, Trenton may compel his audience to ‘finally’ take action against the political system.

Moreover, the writer then seeks to denounce the treatment on asylum seekers by the government. Indirectly referencing the offshore detention scheme by highlighting the ‘ordinary Aussies’ that arrive in Australia ‘from camps…set up on islands’, the writer immediately seeks to contradict the government’s stance and identify asylum seekers as ‘ordinary’, and not the ‘baddies’ they are purported to be. This appeals to the audience’s sense of justice, as they are led to oppose the poor treatment of refugees by the government, and instead seek a humane alternative. Furthermore, the writer seeks to instil a sense of culpability in his readers by asserting that offshore detention has been created to ‘protect me’. The use of the exclusive personal pronoun ‘me’ aims to emphasise his personal blame and convey to readers that each individual’s lack of action perpetrates the ‘abuse of kids’ in ‘gulags’, ultimately inviting readers to admit an individual accountability and move to voice criticisms of the scheme.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Adequace on September 16, 2015, 03:47:53 pm
Would I be allowed to join? I'd probably post casually in these coming school holidays since I had plans on learning how to write a LA essay since my school just made us do an oral on LA.

My first couple attempts will probably be atrociously bad as a warning  :P
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 16, 2015, 04:45:19 pm
Awesome idea! Count me in - will post a piece (hopefully) tonight
Added, hooray :D

This is my attempt at the first piece! Ashamed to admit how long it took me...
This ordinary bloke has finally had enough
Spoiler
Australia’s corrupt and immoral political system has been attacked by Greg Trenton in his opinion piece, posted on The Age entitled ‘this ordinary bloke has finally had enough’. In a frustrated and outraged tone, Trenton contends to his readership that politicians are taking advantage of the nation’s despondence to protect their own interests, and abuse ‘ordinary Aussies’, ultimately seeking to position readers to fight against the political leaders. 

The writer first moves to criticise the ‘brazen’ abuse of the legal system by Australia’s political leaders. Immediately positioning himself as an ‘ordinary bloke’ whose ‘400k mortgage’ and family life place him in circumstances similar to those of many Australians, Trenton seeks to implicitly align himself alongside his audience through identifying with shared values to gain favour. This aims to make readers feel that the writer understands the concerns of his readership, and so positions them to be more receptive to his contention. Lamenting that he is ‘sick of being taken for an idiot’, Trenton asserts that Australia’s public is being manipulated by self-centred politicians, leading readers to feel cheated by the poor behaviour of politicians and frustrated by their ‘abuse’ of perks. In this manner, by invoking dissent amongst his readers, Trenton may compel his audience to ‘finally’ take action against the political system.

Moreover, the writer then seeks to denounce the treatment on asylum seekers by the government. Indirectly referencing the offshore detention scheme by highlighting the ‘ordinary Aussies’ that arrive in Australia ‘from camps…set up on islands’, the writer immediately seeks to contradict the government’s stance and identify asylum seekers as ‘ordinary’, and not the ‘baddies’ they are purported to be. This appeals to the audience’s sense of justice, as they are led to oppose the poor treatment of refugees by the government, and instead seek a humane alternative. Furthermore, the writer seeks to instil a sense of culpability in his readers by asserting that offshore detention has been created to ‘protect me’. The use of the exclusive personal pronoun ‘me’ aims to emphasise his personal blame and convey to readers that each individual’s lack of action perpetrates the ‘abuse of kids’ in ‘gulags’, ultimately inviting readers to admit an individual accountability and move to voice criticisms of the scheme.

Dw, I always took FOREVER to write things because I was such a perfectionist, and I would especially if I were going to post it on a public forum!  Practice will make you faster :)

Would I be allowed to join? I'd probably post casually in these coming school holidays since I had plans on learning how to write a LA essay since my school just made us do an oral on LA.

My first couple attempts will probably be atrociously bad as a warning  :P

Sure, that's fine!  I won't add you to the spreadsheet, but we'll look forward to your contributions :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on September 16, 2015, 05:57:20 pm
this is a great idea! count me in  8)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: cosine on September 16, 2015, 06:56:50 pm
Im in
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: sunshine98 on September 16, 2015, 07:08:35 pm
Count me in  :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: HasibA on September 16, 2015, 07:12:55 pm
im in (don't put me in the excel spreadsheet though, haha i'm in year 11 so don't take my responses toooo seriously)
thank you !  :D
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Splash-Tackle-Flail on September 16, 2015, 08:34:22 pm
Sounds like a great idea, I'd love to be a part of it :)

Here's my first analysis on "This ordinary bloke has finally had enough".. (Hope this is what I was supposed to do  ;))

Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me feedback :)

K I'm joining in! I'll start off with some feedback of yours (really, really good imo)! And yeah this definitely sounds like fun. Definitely need something like this 'cause in the holidays I'll have nobody to chase me up on these kinds of things!

I probs won't write my own one of this cause I've already read yours Don't mind my excuse!- but my writing will be dwarfed in the shadows by yours ahha, and have a Context Sac to prepare for. But look out for one in the holidays!

Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 16, 2015, 09:57:39 pm
Well, with more members added and our first pieces and feedback already posted (many thanks Splash and all the rest to come, I'll be upvoting feedback vigilantly) - and most importantly, with those inferior pseudo-Englishers having attempted a wishy-washy imitation - we've got off to a good start!

Keep it coming, club :))
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: paper-back on September 16, 2015, 10:59:53 pm
Can I join? Although I might only post occasionally

I'm just going to submit my analysis here before I lose my nerves again
Well, here goes (Embarrassingly, it took me a few hours to do):

Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: cosine on September 17, 2015, 07:10:50 am
Can I join? Although I might only post occasionally

I'm just going to submit my analysis here before I lose my nerves again
Well, here goes (Embarrassingly, it took me a few hours to do):

In an introduction, you must include:
1. Author/writer
2. The issue, what is the article even about?
3. Place and date of publication
4. Title of the article
5. Tone of the article
6. Main contention

Your introduction is what I did not like, besides that your essay was really good, I particularly enjoyed the way you smoothly linked the impact on the readers from how Trenton uses his words. In your intro, you forgot to include the title of the article. Apart from this, you need to really work on your choice of words, as the essay gets repetitive, you said 'convey' at least 15 times in the essay, there are definitely more words to choose from and I listed some. Overall, you know what you are saying and it all makes sense, but the major improvement should be made towards choice of words and sentence structure.

Great job! xD

Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: paper-back on September 17, 2015, 08:06:23 am
Thanks for the feedback cosine! :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 23, 2015, 08:27:20 am
Hey guys, really sorry I haven't done this this week!  Moving house meant no internet till yesterday afternoon, sorry :(

A reminder that for this to work, you guys actually have to post pieces!  This means
a) DO NOT read other people's attempts/feedback before writing your own
b) aim to post your piece by Friday night each week.  Yes, that is in two days this week.  It's short so shouldn't be hard, but the point of this is to work a little, consistently, so please DO IT for your own sake.

In the first post I'm putting the letter and all links to pieces and feedback in spoilers, so you know who to give feedback to. 

This week's letter below (very short, so shouldn't take you long, and gives you a chance to delve more deeply into the language); note, I'll be posting next week's one on Monday.

Spoiler
Background: a confidential survey was run in schools which included questions about students' smoking habits and purchase.   Big tobacco companies then attempted to get access to this data, presumably to target their marketing more effectively to teens.

Letter:

As a medical practitioner for half a century I have witnessed firsthand the destruction of lives by tobacco products. I view it as nothing short of evil. It is incomprehensible how anyone other than a criminal or sociopath could justify promoting and profiting from an addictive product, known to cause mortality and morbidity.

While Big Tobacco may be acting within the law, it has abandoned any pretence to be ethical or moral. For such pedlars of death to entice those of a mature age to take up such a lethal habit is shameful, but seeking to influence children to risk their health would be diabolical. I expect that employees of such companies must struggle with their inner voices. I can only assume that lawyers who defend these organisations have somehow quarantined their consciences.

Graham Lum North Rocks
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: cosine on September 23, 2015, 09:32:19 am
Any feedback is welcomed, in year 12 or not, feel free to help out.

Edit: Language Analysis of the article above.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: sunshine98 on September 23, 2015, 11:47:59 am
This is my la on this weeks piece.
 
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: elysian on September 24, 2015, 12:50:53 pm
Hey
I;m joining in, add me to the excel spreadsheet.
Do I start from week 1 or do i do this week's one?
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Burt Macklin on September 24, 2015, 03:51:56 pm
I'd also like to join the club! :)

Here's my Week 1 LA (with Week 2 coming before Friday night hopefully):
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The alleged abuses occurring at asylum seeker camps offshore Australia has been a contentious issue as of late. Greg Trenton weighs in on this issue in his letter to the editor entitled, “This ordinary bloke has finally had enough, contending in a disillusioned and exasperated tone that the deceit conducted by Australian politicians has reached a tipping point and that their failure to address the abuses at camp will be brought into public consciousness. Trenton mainly adopts the use of colloquial language and denigration of politicians to persuade everyday Australian citizens towards his viewpoint.

By establishing himself as an “ordinary bloke” who “[makes] ends meet”, Trenton has provided the reader with a representation of a man who seems familiar to them, therefore making them more inclined to trust his authenticity – as he is acutely aware of the actions of politicians, despite not giving “a rats about politics”. By employing the use of colloquial language such as “pollies” and “docs”, Trenton creates a personable tone while simultaneously creating a divide between “ordinary Aussies” and the brazen “pollies”. The divide is further developed by Trenton by mentioning the criticisms from noble doctors who “leave their cushy well-paid jobs” to aid compared to politicians who stay silent on the issue. This serves to highlight the suffering morality of politicians to the reader, as Trenton attempts to elicit an urgency to address the callousness of the government.

Trenton’s admission of the allegations going through the “keeper” as he makes “ends meet” serves to eliminate any readers’ predisposition to disregard his claims because of self-righteousness. Thus, the reader is more inclined to believe that Trenton is speaking from a place of genuine frustration; evident as he points out the politicians’ self-preservation in his irreverent jibe towards a government who “can’t comment” because it would “alert the baddies”. Trenton’s mocking tone suggests to the reader the folly over allaying foes instead of prioritising humanitarian concerns. Coupled with Trenton’s stance that he is “off to enrol”, he leaves readers with the belief that if current politicians are not capable, they will be able to vote in political changes.

And feedback for izzywantsa97 (I hope you get that 97):
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Australia’s corrupt and immoral political system has been attacked by Greg Trenton in his opinion pieceletter to the editor, posted onin The Age entitled ‘This ordinary bloke has finally had enough’. In a frustrated and outraged tone, Trenton contends to his readership that politicians are taking advantage of the nation’s despondence to protect their own interests, and abuse ‘ordinary Aussies’this is unclear, ultimately seeking to position readers to fight against the political leaders.I think "fight against political leaders" could be phrased better.

The writer first movesagain, could be phrased better (maybe "From the onset, the writer criticises..."?) to criticise the ‘brazen’ abuse of the legal system by Australia’s political leaders. Immediately positioning himself as an ‘ordinary bloke’ whose ‘400k mortgage’ and family life place him in circumstances similar to those of many Australians, Trenton seeks to implicitly align himself alongside his audience through identifying with shared values to gain favour. This aims to make readers feel that the writer understands the concerns of his readership, and so positions them to be more receptive to his contention.A good sentence; but it sounds generic so I would be more specific to Trenton's contention and audience Lamenting that he is ‘sick of being taken for an idiot’, Trenton asserts that Australia’s public is being manipulated by self-centred politicians, leading readers to feel cheated by the poor behaviour of politicians and frustrated by their ‘abuse’ of perks. In this manner, by invoking dissent amongst his readers, Trenton may compel his audience to ‘finally’ take action against the political system.Nice.

Moreover, the writer then seeks to denounce the treatment onof asylum seekers by the government. Indirectly referencing the offshore detention scheme by highlighting the ‘ordinary Aussies’ that arrive in Australia ‘from camps…set up on islands’, the writer immediately seeks to contradict the government’s stance and identify asylum seekers as ‘ordinary’, and not the ‘baddies’ they are purported to be. This appeals to the audience’s sense of justice, as they are led to oppose the poor treatment of refugees by the government, and instead seek a humane alternative. Furthermore, the writer seeks to instil a sense of culpability in his readers by asserting that offshore detention has been created to ‘protect me’. The use of the exclusive personal pronoun ‘me’ aims to emphasise his personal blame and convey to readers that each individual’s lack of action perpetrates the ‘abuse of kids’ in ‘gulags’, ultimately inviting readers to admit an individual accountability and move to voice criticisms of the scheme.

Other than a few minor things and phrasing, this is very nice. Great job:)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: paper-back on September 24, 2015, 04:10:27 pm
My LA for this week:
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 24, 2015, 04:30:30 pm
Glad you're joining in all, spreadsheet and first post links updated :)

Hey
I;m joining in, add me to the excel spreadsheet.
Do I start from week 1 or do i do this week's one?

Cool :D Totally up to you, but I recommend starting with week 1 just because it happened to be a really awesome letter to analyse.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: sunshine98 on September 24, 2015, 04:43:52 pm
Any feedback is welcomed, in year 12 or not, feel free to help out.

Edit: Language Analysis of the article above.
Here is some feedback.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Splash-Tackle-Flail on September 24, 2015, 06:29:10 pm
My Language Analysis  :)
Spoiler
Following Big Tobacco's recent attempt to access a confidential student survey on smoking habits and purchase, Graham Lum has written a Letter to the Editor bitterly denouncing the morality of their actions. Lum appeals to an ultimately humanitarian readership urging them to share and voice their contempt of tobacco companies and their business ventures.

Lum immediately establishes his credibility as an experienced "medical practitioner" exposed to the influence of tobacco "for half a century", informing readers that his opinion is well researched and substantiated. He relates tobacco to then "destruction of lives", smoking it a "lethal habit", and the companies behind is as "pedlars of death", suggesting that by promoting tobacco, these companies are encouraging a younger audience to discard their future and their health.

This is followed by his short sharp opinion "I view is as nothing short of evil"; the isolated definitive statement emphatically removes any doubt of the tobacco company's immorality, while Lum's long-lasting experience, witnessing their "destruction of lives" almost exudes a sense of heartfelt authenticity. By relating these companies' "promoting and profiting" of tobacco to "criminals or sociopaths" Lum evokes disgust and righteous indignation in his readership that these companies have not faced charges for their exploitation of consumers, especially the targeted younger generation. This sense of injustice is only heightened when Lum informs us tobacco is "an addictive product, known to cause mortality and morbidity", suggesting these companies are conscious of the drug's consequences, yet still try to entice these children.

Although Lum remarks that Big Tobacco "may be acting within the law", he proceeds to highlight the unethical nature of their ploy; a subtle suggesting the government is far too lenient on tobacco companies. We are reminded of the fact the targets of Big Tobacco's venture are children, those often perceived as vulnerable and naive, further position readers to view these companies as inhumane and cruelly exploitative. Lum concludes his letter by attacking these companies' employees and "lawyers who defend these organisations", evident in the phrases "must struggle with their inner voices" and "quarantined their consciences". Through these attacks, Lum reiterates that these companies are all-knowing of the consequences of drugs, while also suggesting it is not only those in the tobacco company's authority that are morally degraded, but those indirectly supporting tobacco too. Readers are hence undoubtedly compelled to share Lum's resentment, not only of these companies, but of those defending these organisations too.

Will (hopefully) mark one either tonight or tomorrow!
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: duo0024 on September 24, 2015, 06:49:00 pm
My first attempt at writing a piece on AN. Although I was very terrified and reluctant, I highly recommend others to join in because it felt great to write, well, something. Any feedback is welcomed. Cheers  :)
Also I would've placed my essay in a spoiler tab but I don't know how to lol.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: duo0024 on September 24, 2015, 07:15:40 pm
Here is splash-tackle-flail's feedback. Hope I helped you in some way.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Splash-Tackle-Flail on September 24, 2015, 07:48:53 pm
Here is splash-tackle-flail's feedback. Hope I helped you in some way.

Yep, I figured not proof-reading would be picked up on ;) Thanks heaps!

Edit: and with the spoiler thing, there is a button "Sp" underneath "change colour" that you can click, and then just type inside the 'box'.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Splash-Tackle-Flail on September 24, 2015, 08:10:23 pm
This is my la on this weeks piece.

Feedback for youuu
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 28, 2015, 08:57:56 pm
My first attempt at writing a piece on AN. Although I was very terrified and reluctant, I highly recommend others to join in because it felt great to write, well, something.

I was actually ridiculously excited to read this.  When I see people overcoming what I struggled with - and failed to overcome - last year... well, let's just say it makes me happy. :`)  Keep it up!!

This week's letter
Longer :)
NB it's evidently American as we don't have the death penalty in Aus (my free The Age limit ran out for the month :P)

Spoiler
People are scary as hell. No, I am not talking about death row inmates. I am talking about you, the average everyday human.

The death penalty is a stain on our already embarrassing criminal “justice” system. Until we go 20+ years without a single wrongful murder conviction there is no conceivable argument in favor of the death penalty that does not intrinsically make the case that murdering some innocent people is perfectly fine and justifiable as long as we kill some bad people too.

Read some comments from ordinary people today on Reddit, when it was pointed out that life imprisonment is cheaper than the death penalty (due to the costly appeal process):
“The solution to that is so simple: no Death Row. Sentence is passed and carried out same day.”
“Rope is cheap and re-usable. They knew how to handle this in the old days….”
“Two shots to the back of the head. Way cheaper.”
“Ideally, repeat offenders would just get put down immediately.”
“That’s because we allow them too many appeals. It would be extremely easy to lower the cost. Give them a couple years of appeals and then hang them.”


Their bloodlust is so high that they are honestly making the case that we should remove some, or all, of the protections against executing even more innocents!  These people are literally arguing that we should make it easier to accidentally kill good people if it means we can kill more bad people for cheaper. 

That is horrifying. I feel like much of the world never thinks shit through past their initial emotional reaction to things and that is why you people are just as terrifying, if not more so, than the violent criminal that is spending his life in prison. You people vote.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Burt Macklin on September 30, 2015, 10:50:01 am
Here's my Week 2 LA:
Spoiler
The allegations of Big Tobacco companies accessing data to target their marketing to teenagers has been the subject of vehement debate. In a letter to the editor, Graham Lum weighs in on the issue contending in a condemnatory tone that Bio Tobacco companies are morally corrupt for attempting to market harmful tobacco products. Lum mainly employs the use of loaded language and denigration to persuade his readers towards his point of view.

Lum begins with establishing his credibility "as a medical practitioner", thereby compelling readers to assume this his rhetoric with regards to the effects of tobacco have some credence, especially if he has been practicing for "half a century". Consequently, the bombastic claims that tobacco products bring "destruction of lives" and are "nothing short of evil" are more likely to be readily accepted as justifiable by the reader. Such claims elicit fear in readers for the lives of those affected which, as a result, invokes disdain and horror towards tobacco companies that would be profiting from the pervasive destruction of lives of tobacco users.

Big Tobacco companies are positioned as "pedlars of death", insinuating to the reader that they are conciliatory towards the damaging effects of tobacco for self-gain. Furthermore, Lum continues to denigrate these companies for their lack of ethics and morals by dubbing their attempts to market as "shameful" and "diabolical". Readers are compelled to align themselves with the blief that tobacco companies are deserving of these allegations, which is further engendered by the insinuations of tobacco companies diabolically targeting the innocence of "children". This presents to the reader the irreparable corruption of tobacco companies as Lum emphasises how they have stooped to exploit the vulnerable.

As a result, the denigrations shift towards Lum employing a more personalised approach and judgemental tone as he targets "employees" and "lawyers who defend these organisations". Readers are confronted by the notion that conscience and the acts of tobacco companies are incompatible by suggesting that they "struggle with their inner voices". thereby challenging the reader with the idea that it is incredulous that these individuals are still working for corrupt tobacco companies.

Feedback for paper-back is attached!
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on September 30, 2015, 12:10:12 pm
^Awesome! As payment, here's my feedback on Burt Macklin's Week 1 piece:

Spoiler
The alleged abuses occurring at asylum seeker camps offshore Australia has been a contentious issue as of late. Greg Trenton weighs in on this issue in his letter to the editor entitled, “This ordinary bloke has finally had enough, contending in a disillusioned and exasperated tone that the deceit conducted by Australian politicians has reached a tipping point and that their failure to address the abuses at camp will be brought into public consciousness what exactly do you mean by the underlined part?. Trenton mainly adopts the use of colloquial language and denigration of politicians to persuade everyday Australian citizens towards his viewpoint nothing wrong with it, but it’s good to make a habit of cutting out anything vague and general like ‘persuades them to agree with his viewpoint’ as they don’t add anything to your analysis.
Really solid intro that ticks off boxes and says everything clearly and concisely.  Well done.

By establishing himself as an “ordinary bloke” who “[makes] ends meet”, Trenton has provided the reader with a representation of a man who seems familiar to them, therefore making them more inclined to trust his authenticity – as he is acutely aware of the actions of politicians, despite not giving “a rats about politics” your explanation is clear and really good - could you then expand further? Why does he present himself as someone who doesn't 'give a rats' about politics?  It's good and you could get more out of it. By employing the use of colloquial language such as “pollies” and “docs”, Trenton creates a personable tone noice, but by running multiple impacts together into one sentence, you miss a chance to analyse.  Why does he create a personable tone?  How is he trying to get the readers to view him through this tone, and why does he want them to view him that way?  How does it help persuade them? while simultaneously creating a divide between “ordinary Aussies” and the brazen “pollies” brilliant! now think about how this influences the reader and makes them feel towards the politicians. The divide is further developed by Trenton by mentioning the criticisms from noble doctors who “leave their cushy well-paid jobs” to aid compared to politicians who stay silent on the issue. This serves to highlight the suffering morality of politicians to the reader, as Trenton attempts to elicit an urgency to address the callousness of the government. To take this to a higher level (and yes, it’s already really high-quality, but I want you to go further!), expand on the point a bit longer.   You don’t have to try and cram analysis of a few phrases into one sentence; take the time to breathe and spread it out over a few sentences.  Think about that ‘leave their cushy well-paid jobs’ again.  Why does he say that?  How is he trying to make the readers view the doctors?  How do these words create this feeling?  And why does he want them to view the doctors that way?  Then, you brilliantly suggested he uses this to contrast with the politicians; so how does that make us feel about the politicians?  Do we like or dislike them, respect or despise them?  And thus what does that stimulate us to want to think or do? (you’ve answered most of these in very very brief detail, but could expand more over a couple of sentences)
Spoiler
‘cushy well-paid jobs’ – aims to make the readers view the doctors as self-sacrificing and noble, so they’ll see their claims as reliable rather than being made up for reasons of self-interest, thus they’ll believe the horrific conditions of the camps.  Contrasts with politicians who are presented as selfish, callous and unreliable, so we despise and don’t rely on them and thus believe they’re telling lies.

Trenton’s admission of the allegations going through the “keeper” as he makes “ends meet” serves to eliminate any readers’ predisposition to disregard his claims because of self-righteousness really great ideas here, well done!. Thus, the reader is more inclined to believe that Trenton is speaking from a place of genuine frustration; evident as he points out the politicians’ self-preservation in his irreverent jibe nice word towards a government who “can’t comment” because it would “alert the baddies”. Trenton’s mocking tone suggests to the reader the folly over allaying foes instead of prioritising humanitarian concerns encourages the reader to ridicule etc. Coupled with Trenton’s stance that he is “off to enrol”, he leaves readers with the belief that if current politicians are not capable, they will be able to vote in political changes. unclear last sentence, I don’t get what you’re trying to say

Summary: really good work, you obviously know the point of LA and are focusing on how the reader is influenced by the author's choices.  You could just go further and expand more, especially by asking yourself more questions all the time about why the author is doing this, how exactly the author wants the audience to view someone/thing involved (e.g. the author himself, the doctors, the politicians), why he wants the readers to view them like this, in what way the language makes them feel like this, etc. 

All the time keep asking questions about how it impacts the reader's views and why, and be willing to spread analysis of even just one sentence/phrase over a few sentences, rather than trying to cram 2-3 things into one sentence.  P.S. post 666, oooh what does that mean?
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on September 30, 2015, 06:44:04 pm
sorry I'm a bit late with this guys, got caught up doing other things but here goes

this is also my first time posting on the forums *cue nerves*
and embarrassingly, it took longer than I care to admit :s

My Week 2 piece:
Spoiler
Tobacco companies' recent attempt to gain access to confidential survey data regarding teenagers' smoking habits and purchases has sparked widespread concern as explicated by medical practitioner Graham Lum's letter to the editor. Lum contends that tobacco companies' targeting of "children" is immoral and should warrant shame and concern. Lum adopts an authoritarian approach to vehemently reject the tobacco industry's "shameful" approach to expanding their clientele.

Graham Lum makes no attempt to hide his bias having been a "medical practitioner for half a century", using his expertise in the medical field to validate his view that smoking is "nothing short of evil". Lum's choice to open his letter with this statement instantly provokes readers to see his subsequent arguments as credible and worthy of their consideration. Furthermore, his condemnation of smoking plays on the negative connotations of the word "evil", suggesting to the reader that tobacco companies have a malicious agenda and that smoking habits are worthy of our concern. Lum then adopts an alliterative rhythm to liken anyone who "promot(es) and profits" from an "addictive product" as a "criminal or sociopath". This is intended to function in two ways: firstly, Lum's association of tobacco companies with "criminal(s)" and "sociopath(s)" serves to warn readers that those who endorse smoking are dangerous, dysfunctional members of society who that they manipulate the vulnerable who are prone to "addict[ion]". This can also be linked with his admission that Big Tobacco is "acting within the law", suggesting to readers that tobacco companies are not literal but "ethical and moral" criminals. This encourages the reader to reevaluate the intent of these companies and to consider withdrawing their support. Lum continues his theme of "morbidity and mortality" by labelling Big Tobacco as "pedlars of death", stressing that tobacco companies' desire to improve their marketing has the underlying subtext of selling death to anyone including "children". Lum's mention of children is particularly alarming to readers who are parents, appealing to their desire to love and protect their children, as well as evoking a sense of disgust that such companies would stoop to such "diabolical" behaviour to make a profit as they are without a "conscience".
conclusion: not sure how to do them!

reply to this if you need feedback

edit: I've got no idea why there's a line through it, disregard that
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on September 30, 2015, 07:18:45 pm
My first attempt at writing a piece on AN. Although I was very terrified and reluctant, I highly recommend others to join in because it felt great to write, well, something. Any feedback is welcomed. Cheers  :)
Also I would've placed my essay in a spoiler tab but I don't know how to lol.

some feedback for you:

Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: duo0024 on September 30, 2015, 09:04:46 pm
some feedback for you:



You have no idea how happy I am after I received your feedback. It's a great feeling  :D
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on September 30, 2015, 10:27:43 pm
You have no idea how happy I am after I received your feedback. It's a great feeling  :D

anytime! feel free to return the favour ;)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 01, 2015, 03:17:44 pm
edit: I've got no idea why there's a line through it, disregard that

Fixed!  (It happens when you put square brackets round an 's' when you're modifying a quote from the piece, e.g. profit[ s ])
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on October 01, 2015, 07:35:40 pm
Fixed!  (It happens when you put square brackets round an 's' when you're modifying a quote from the piece, e.g. profit[ s ])

ah, I figured that so I changed some to round brackets but it was still happening :s I'm a such a noob hahah
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 01, 2015, 11:45:29 pm
 Hey,
Sorry I'm yet to post.  ::)
Anyways, I was just wondering, in a lot of the feedback a common theme has been "don't be writing unnecessarily long and wordy sentences".
So I get that it flows much nicer I you don't but the reason I do it is because I'm always short of ideas of what to write, so I kind of dawdle.. How to combat this?
Thanks  :D
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 02, 2015, 07:18:38 am
Hey,
Sorry I'm yet to post.  ::)
Anyways, I was just wondering, in a lot of the feedback a common theme has been "don't be writing unnecessarily long and wordy sentences".
So I get that it flows much nicer I you don't but the reason I do it is because I'm always short of ideas of what to write, so I kind of dawdle.. How to combat this?
Thanks  :D

If you want to know how to be more concise, I really recommend reading the four articles here.  Then take one of your pieces, and make a challenge of trying to cut down the word count as much as is humanly possible, using those tips and your own ideas, while still keeping the same content (remember to glue multiple stripped short sentences together).  It's fun, and after a couple of times you find yourself putting the ideas into practise in your writing normally.  Be very aware and ready to cross out words or even sentences in your writing at all times.

Yes, it can boil down a decently-padded paragraph into a woefully spindly three-sentence horror.  The good of that is that it seriously forces you to come up with more ideas if you want to deliver a passable essay.  If your issue is not having enough ideas, well... spend time searching out more ideas.  (if you care about that in year 9 lol)  Keep asking specific questions about the topic or piece you're analysing, 'why does the author do this', 'is this true in every case', 'why do I feel like this', etc.  Get feedback on where you could have expanded and what sorts of questions you could have asked to spark more ideas.  Just keep practising twisting your mind into English-nerdiness and it'll gradually come naturally.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: vcelife on October 02, 2015, 02:24:41 pm
Well here goes this is my piece for week 3 (you would of though it would get easier but this is still terrifying ah well!)
Spoiler
In a letter to the editor published in an American newspaper, the author condemns the brutality of the public’s support of the death penalty, and thus appeals to the readers pity seeking to argue that the death penalty is abhorrent and barbaric and thus should be abolished.
The author seeks to shock readers into confronting society’s violent desire to see criminals condemned to death. In employing quotes from “ordinary people” that portray society as wanting to go back to the “old days” whereby the death penalty was carried out quickly and without numerous appeals, the author seeks to portray the death penalty as both unjust and savagely cruel, a historic relic that is an anachronism in today’s world. The author intends to alienate readers from this general perception by playing upon their fear of seeming old fashioned, and thus the author seeks to encourage readers to move past the death penalty as a form of punishment and think for themselves.
The author portrays “ordinary people” as simplistic and fuelled by “bloodlust”. In arguing that the reasons for wanting the death penalty stem from fear and money, the author seeks to undermine the “everyday, ordinary human[‘s]” argument. In using only simplistic language when describing these ideas such as labeling the “death row inmates” as “bad people”, the author attempts to imply that such people are incapable of comprehending the complex ideas of justice. The reader is positioned to feel superior to people that hold such ideas, and thus are encouraged to see beyond the death penalty as the method for justice.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me some feedback
And now to return the favour:

sorry I'm a bit late with this guys, got caught up doing other things but here goes

this is also my first time posting on the forums *cue nerves*
and embarrassingly, it took longer than I care to admit :s

My Week 2 piece:
Spoiler
Tobacco companies' recent attempt to gain access to confidential survey data regarding teenagers' smoking habits and purchases has sparked widespread concern as explicated by medical practitioner Graham Lum's letter to the editor.Although context is important keep it short and relevant. This is pretty good but I personally wouldn’t want it any longer. Keep the ideas, just make it as concise as possible. Lum contends that tobacco companies' targeting of "children" is immoral and should warrant shame and concern. The way in which you’ve outlined your contention is good, just be aware that double barreled contentions can sometimes get a bit messy. Lum adopts an authoritarian approach to vehemently reject the tobacco industry's "shameful" approach to expanding their clientele. You’ve covered everything you need to here well done.

Graham Lum makes no attempt to hide his bias having been a "medical practitioner for half a century", using his expertise in the medical field to validate his view that smoking is "nothing short of evil". Lum's choice to open his letter with this statement instantly provokes readers to see his subsequent arguments as credible and worthy of their consideration. Lovely, but a little long-winded in my opinion. Furthermore, his condemnation of smoking plays on the negative connotations of the word "evil", suggesting to the reader that tobacco companies have a malicious agenda and that smoking habits are worthy of our concern. Good to see you zooming in. Just be aware that you can’t possibly go into this much depth on everything, so be selective. In my opinion this section was a little pedestrian. See if you can write the same thing but in a way that will make your analysis stand out from the pack. Was “evil” the most important word, and thus warrant such individual attention? Or can you combine his use of “evil” with tone/ other language choices/ techniques that in combination work to achieve the same effect? Lum then adopts an alliterative rhythm to liken anyone who "promot(es) and profits" from an "addictive product" as a "criminal or sociopath". Nice pick up. Interesting points like these will really make your analysis stand out. This is intended to function in two ways: firstly, Lum's association of tobacco companies with "criminal(s)" and "sociopath(s)" serves to warn readers that those who endorse smoking are dangerous, dysfunctional members of society who that they ? Proof read manipulate the vulnerable who are prone to "addict[ion]". This can also be linked with his admission that Big Tobacco is "acting within the law", suggesting to readers that tobacco companies are not literal but "ethical and moral" criminals. This encourages the reader to reevaluate the intent of these companies and to consider withdrawing their support.Try and be more specific with your intended effects. How exactly does the author go about trying to make the reader withdraw the support. What is it about being an “ethical and moral” criminal that causes the audience to react in that way. How do specific subsets of his audience react? eg. smokers will most likely react to this differently to those who were already suspicious of Big Tobacco.  Lum continues his theme of "morbidity and mortality" by labelling Big Tobacco as "pedlars of death", stressing that tobacco companies' desire to improve their marketing has the underlying subtext of selling death to anyone including "children". Lum's mention of children is particularly alarming to readers who are parents, appealing to their desire to love and protect their children, Discussing how the author want particular parts of an audience to react is really powerful.. as well as evoking a sense of disgust that such companies would stoop to such "diabolical" behaviour to make a profit as they are without a "conscience".
conclusion: not sure how to do them! According to my teacher the only time you need a conclusion is to compare/ contrast multiple pieces (which of course you have in an exam). I’m not really sure how you’d write a conclusion here, perhaps just summarize the main technique used. Hopefully someone else can help out here  

Overall
•   Language and vocab really good! I think it flows quite nicely, and you are able to use some good vocab which is letting you get into some really nice ideas
•   Keep it short and concise
•   You’ve picked up some interesting points here which is really good
•   I think you could focus a little more on exactly how the author intends the audience to respond, and how the author appeals to different subsets of the audience.
!

Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on October 02, 2015, 04:42:40 pm
Well here goes this is my piece for week 3 (you would of though it would get easier but this is still terrifying ah well!)
Spoiler
In a letter to the editor published in an American newspaper, the author condemns the brutality of the public’s support of the death penalty, and thus appeals to the readers pity seeking to argue that the death penalty is abhorrent and barbaric and thus should be abolished.
The author seeks to shock readers into confronting society’s violent desire to see criminals condemned to death. In employing quotes from “ordinary people” that portray society as wanting to go back to the “old days” whereby the death penalty was carried out quickly and without numerous appeals, the author seeks to portray the death penalty as both unjust and savagely cruel, a historic relic that is an anachronism in today’s world. The author intends to alienate readers from this general perception by playing upon their fear of seeming old fashioned, and thus the author seeks to encourage readers to move past the death penalty as a form of punishment and think for themselves.
The author portrays “ordinary people” as simplistic and fuelled by “bloodlust”. In arguing that the reasons for wanting the death penalty stem from fear and money, the author seeks to undermine the “everyday, ordinary human[‘s]” argument. In using only simplistic language when describing these ideas such as labeling the “death row inmates” as “bad people”, the author attempts to imply that such people are incapable of comprehending the complex ideas of justice. The reader is positioned to feel superior to people that hold such ideas, and thus are encouraged to see beyond the death penalty as the method for justice.
Thanks in advance to anyone who can give me some feedback
And now to return the favour:

awesome feedback, thank you!
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 03, 2015, 12:03:13 am
Feedback for Tashhhaaa
My Week 2 piece:
Spoiler
Tobacco companies' recent attempt to gain access to confidential survey data regarding teenagers' smoking habits and purchases has sparked widespread concern as explicated by medical practitioner Graham Lum's letter to the editor. Lum contends that tobacco companies' targeting of "children" is immoral and should warrant shame and concern. Lum adopts an authoritarian approach to vehemently reject the tobacco industry's "shameful" approach to expanding their clientele. nice vocab!  :D

Graham Lum makes no attempt to hide his bias having been a "medical practitioner for half a century" not sure is expressed to its full potential. Personally I feel that "Lum makes no attempt to conceal his bias, as is connotated by his position as a "medical practioner for half a century" is favourable", using his expertise in the medical field to validate his view that smoking is "nothing short of evil" i think it's not really relevant that he has 'expertise' in the medical field, as this is more of an ethical topic. Instead perhaps refer to the general ethical connotation that belongs to doctors. Lum's choice to open his letter with this statement instantly provokes  dont think this is quite the right word.. Perhaps try prompts?readers to see his subsequent arguments as credible and worthy of their considerationfair point, although that last phrase feels a little clunky to me. Furthermore, his condemnation of smoking plays on the negative connotations of the word "evil", suggesting to the readership (or at least that seems to be the trend - what you've got is probs just as good lol) that tobacco companies have a malicious agenda perhaps be a little more specific?and that smoking habits are worthy of our concern dont say our or we or anything like that. Also be more specific; he's not really discussing people's smoking habits as his main point - it's more like he's talking about how it's wrong to pull adolescents into such a habit. Lum then adopts an alliterative rhythm to liken anyone who "promot(es) *promoteand profits" from an "addictive product" as a "criminal or sociopath". This is intended to function in two ways: firstly, Lum's association of tobacco companies with "criminal(s)" and "sociopath(s)" serves to warn readers that those who endorse smoking are dangerous, dysfunctional members of society who that "that" not neededthey manipulate the vulnerable who are prone to "addict[ion]"better: they manipulate those who are vulnerable to addiction?. i think you need to delve delve deeper into how he uses the alliterative rhythm.. Right?? (As in, am I right?) This can also be linked with his admission that Big Tobacco is "acting within the law", suggesting to readers that tobacco companies are not literal but "ethical and moral" criminals. nice :)This encourages the reader to reevaluate the intent of these companies and to consider withdrawing their supporti suppose.. Although correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not really as though his main intention is to do the aforementioned is it?. Lum continues his theme of "morbidity and mortality" by labelling Big Tobacco as "pedlars of death", stressing that tobacco companies' desire to improve their marketing has the underlying subtext of selling death to anyone including "children". Lum's mention of children is particularly alarming to readers who are parents try 'such as', appealing to their desire to love is that relevant?and protect their children, as well as evoking a sense of disgust that such companies would stoop to such "diabolical" behaviour to make a profit as they are without a "conscience" not sure if those last six words really fit in.. or at least I'm not sure about the segue that leads to them.

So, overall, awesome writing :)
Just remember:
Be specific
Be relevant
Don't use 'we' 'i' 'our' etc.
And most importantly...
keep up the awesome work  ;D
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P.s. Someone else pls also mark hers.. I don't want her to only just get my substandard marking - I just wanted to give it a go   ::)
Edit: omg, the actual seconds after I posted it I looked back at the thread and realised vce life had already done it LOL. Oh well,... It was a good learning experience  ;)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on October 03, 2015, 12:19:25 am
Feedback for Tashhhaaa
My Week 2 piece:
Spoiler
Tobacco companies' recent attempt to gain access to confidential survey data regarding teenagers' smoking habits and purchases has sparked widespread concern as explicated by medical practitioner Graham Lum's letter to the editor. Lum contends that tobacco companies' targeting of "children" is immoral and should warrant shame and concern. Lum adopts an authoritarian approach to vehemently reject the tobacco industry's "shameful" approach to expanding their clientele. nice vocab!  :D

Graham Lum makes no attempt to hide his bias having been a "medical practitioner for half a century" not sure is expressed to its full potential. Personally I feel that "Lum makes no attempt to conceal his bias, as is connotated by his position as a "medical practioner for half a century" is favourable", using his expertise in the medical field to validate his view that smoking is "nothing short of evil" i think it's not really relevant that he has 'expertise' in the medical field, as this is more of an ethical topic. Instead perhaps refer to the general ethical connotation that belongs to doctors. Lum's choice to open his letter with this statement instantly provokes  dont think this is quite the right word.. Perhaps try prompts?readers to see his subsequent arguments as credible and worthy of their considerationfair point, although that last phrase feels a little clunky to me. Furthermore, his condemnation of smoking plays on the negative connotations of the word "evil", suggesting to the readership (or at least that seems to be the trend - what you've got is probs just as good lol) that tobacco companies have a malicious agenda perhaps be a little more specific?and that smoking habits are worthy of our concern dont say our or we or anything like that. Also be more specific; he's not really discussing people's smoking habits as his main point - it's more like he's talking about how it's wrong to pull adolescents into such a habit. Lum then adopts an alliterative rhythm to liken anyone who "promot(es) *promoteand profits" from an "addictive product" as a "criminal or sociopath". This is intended to function in two ways: firstly, Lum's association of tobacco companies with "criminal(s)" and "sociopath(s)" serves to warn readers that those who endorse smoking are dangerous, dysfunctional members of society who that "that" not neededthey manipulate the vulnerable who are prone to "addict[ion]"better: they manipulate those who are vulnerable to addiction?. i think you need to delve delve deeper into how he uses the alliterative rhythm.. Right?? (As in, am I right?) This can also be linked with his admission that Big Tobacco is "acting within the law", suggesting to readers that tobacco companies are not literal but "ethical and moral" criminals. nice :)This encourages the reader to reevaluate the intent of these companies and to consider withdrawing their supporti suppose.. Although correct me if I'm wrong, but it's not really as though his main intention is to do the aforementioned is it?. Lum continues his theme of "morbidity and mortality" by labelling Big Tobacco as "pedlars of death", stressing that tobacco companies' desire to improve their marketing has the underlying subtext of selling death to anyone including "children". Lum's mention of children is particularly alarming to readers who are parents try 'such as', appealing to their desire to love is that relevant?and protect their children, as well as evoking a sense of disgust that such companies would stoop to such "diabolical" behaviour to make a profit as they are without a "conscience" not sure if those last six words really fit in.. or at least I'm not sure about the segue that leads to them.

So, overall, awesome writing :)
Just remember:
Be specific
Be relevant
Don't use 'we' 'i' 'our' etc.
And most importantly...
keep up the awesome work  ;D
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P.s. Someone else pls also mark hers.. I don't want her to only just get my substandard marking - I just wanted to give it a go   ::)
Edit: omg, the actual seconds after I posted it I looked back at the thread and realised vce life had already done it LOL. Oh well,... It was a good learning experience  ;)


lol it's fine, I got two rounds of feedback woo

and omg yoU'RE GRADUATING IN 2018?!?!/!?!

YOU'RE IN YEAR 9?!?!?!?!?

I didn't even know what a language analysis was when I was your age (wow I sound old haha), let alone how to correct one
your motivation is inspiring, keep it up! just don't get sick of VCE before you're actually doing it!

btw your feedback was great, as was vcelife's  8)

Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 03, 2015, 12:28:30 am

lol it's fine, I got two rounds of feedback woo

and omg yoU'RE GRADUATING IN 2018?!?!/!?!

YOU'RE IN YEAR 9?!?!?!?!?

I didn't even know what a language analysis was when I was your age (wow I sound old haha), let alone how to correct one
your motivation is inspiring, keep it up! just don't get sick of VCE before you're actually doing it!
Haha thanks  :D
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btw your feedback was great, as was vcelife's  8)
As was yours    8) (and on that note, damn.. I'm lovin how I can finally wear my summer clothes again and go outside  8))
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on October 03, 2015, 01:01:36 am
Haha thanks  :DAs was yours    8) (and on that note, damn.. I'm lovin how I can finally wear my summer clothes again and go outside  8))

I'm lovin how I feel guilty about wearing my summer clothes and going outside because I have to study :( enjoy it while it lasts ;)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 03, 2015, 04:02:15 pm
Annnndddd week 4's letter is up!

Very short and simple, since almost no one did last week's; just a reminder that the days are passing fast so don't forget to write your pieces as the exam is almost upon us!  And yes, I did my best to choose a really fascinating and appropriate topic that you'll love writing about ;)

I recommend doing this in no more than 20 minutes including planning/reading, it's a small commitment (and seriously don't be scared of posting something poor, I know my output in 20 mins would be pretty bad... and everyone else is in exactly the same boat)

Spoiler
Shameful introduction

I have travelled often and each time I have been at Melbourne Airport I have been disgusted at the state of the toilets. For a First World, rich, well-resourced country, these are Third World standard; dirty floors, grubby toilets, broken or cracked furniture and grimy sinks. The facilities don't look like they have been updated for years.

Considering how expensive all the services at the airport are, I would think that some of the profit should be used on appropriate and necessary facilities for travellers. Cleaners must be the lowest paid in the workforce, so it seems unconscionable behaviour to economise on their services at the expense of public health and safety. And since the airport and its facilities are the first introduction for overseas travellers to what Melbourne and Australia offers, I think this is shameful.

Esther Lewin, Caulfield
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 04, 2015, 12:19:48 am
Week four piece
Hey, so here's what I've got :). I wasn't sure if I was supposed to include a conclusion?
Spoiler
In a wholly embittered letter to the editor, Esther Lewin contends her despondency over Melbourne Airport's "shameful" restroom facilities. Lewin employs a shaming tone, fundamentally appealing to her readership's values of hospitality and common courtesy, whilst simultaneously instilling an accusative curiosity as to why such poor service is being delivered. She relates the toilets to those that are of "Third World standard", seemingly encouraging public indignation over the issue, ultimately endeavouring to bring about a reprioritisation of the airport's finances, to resolve cleaners' "low pay" and hence lack of productivity.
Lewin's opening proclamation that she "has often travelled [to Melbourne Airport]" positions her readers to see her as well placed to formulate such opinions, as she has been repeatedly exposed to the toilets in question, inaugurating an affinity of credence. To build her case, Lewin also describes the amenities as "dirty, grubby and grimy". Coupled with her specificity into the matter, she addresses the issue in a sense that prepossesses her readers to fully picture and understand the true nature of the situation, resulting in an exceedingly engaging argument.
Lewin positions her readership to consider the "expense(s) of public health and safety" that are resulting from such "unconscionable behaviour". The use of such assertive and castigatory language serves to consolidate the sense of chagrin dissatisfaction that had previously been impressed upon the reader, denunciating the Airport Management for their inclination to avert funding from the cleaning sector.
Lewin's juxtaposition of the "shameful" toilets with how relatively "expensive all the [other] services at the airport are" verifies just how erroneous the current state of squalor is.
Finally, Lewin appeals to the patriotism of her readers by asserting that "the airport and its facilities are the first introduction for oversees travellers to what Melbourne and Australia offers", ensuingly instigating an urge within her readership to expunge the toilets of such unpropitious attributes.
Thanks! :D
P.s. I think I redefined the definition of 20 minutes.. two and a half hours  ::)

EDIT: Alas! I too am faced with the burden of a line through my work..  :'( oh well.

EDIT 2: I figured out why there was a line! It is because at some point in my writing I wrote (s) , except with straight instead of curvey brackets, which is AN's command to produce a line like this.  ;)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: duo0024 on October 04, 2015, 07:11:15 pm
My piece for the 'Shameful Introduction'. I assumed Lewin was a male as I could not be bothered writing he/she and him/her all throughout. The piece isn't finished even though it took me 30 minutes (I want to add so much more but yea...) but I am still posting it anyway. I like the timing idea. Means I will refrain from perfecting everything and save time to write more stuff  :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: duo0024 on October 04, 2015, 08:00:13 pm
Feed back for The Aspiring Doc.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 04, 2015, 08:39:49 pm
Feed back for The Aspiring Doc.
Thanks duo!
And in return:
Feedback for duo0024
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Traveller good start, sets the scene and all, although I feel that by adding this in straight away and not analysing immediately, you’re kinda wasting your opportunity to analyise it. Well I guess you’re not really, just that you still need to come back to it later. Esther btw Esther is a female name (I think)  Lewin’s disappointment pervades throughout his review in regards to the toilets at the Melbourne Airport failing to meet up to ‘First World’ standards nice, although I think you’d do well to perhaps also delve into her likening of it to a third world country facility?. Designed to shine a spotlight are clichés okay in the VCE?. Also I think illuminating would be more concise and suited. on the lack of care assigned to these facilities also I think she tries to discuss the lack of funding for it, Lewin contends that the conditions of toilets at Melbourne Airport could perhaps be seen as a deterrent to other travellers especially those from overseas. (don’t right that, but perhaps mention in some way?).
Lewin commences his review by establishing his credentials to his readers as someone who ‘travel(s) often’, thereby attempting to ascertain a relationship of authority authority? A word like that applies to week 2’s analysis of the doctor, but I wouldn’t say Lewin has authority, it’s more like she’s in a good position  with the reader. As he has had many experiences and exposures to other toilets in other countriestechnically, Lewin never actually specified that he’d been to other countries.., the readership will not only now portray don’t think that is the right word – try ‘view’  Lewin as more worthy to critique the Melbourne Airport for their ‘disgust(ing)’ ‘toilets’, but also take his arguments into consideration not quite comfortable with that last phrase – it’s kinda like you’ve already stated that?.
The tricolon ‘first world, rich, well-resourced’ bam! (sorry, I meant ‘cool’) used to describe Australia seeks to establish and inflate the grandeur of the Australian country why ‘country’? is it really necessary? , inciting feelings of pride in the Australian readership fantastic!. This pride however, soon diminishes into feelings of shame not quite shame, it’s more like embarrassment I think. Lewin is shaming the airport management, not the reader. She is simply appealing to her readership’s patriotism to an extent – resulting in us feeling ‘let down’, and hence we resort to also wanting to shame the airport staff – not ourselves, the readers., and disgust when Lewin contrasts this grandeur to the ‘dirty floors, grubby toilets’ and ‘broken furniture’ I’m likin’ it :). By listing a surplus of the negative aspects of Melbourne Airport’s toilets, Lewin suggests to the readership that the list is unexhausted, thereby compelling Melbournians to depict the issue of their ‘grubby toilets’ as far worse than imagined, and would thus likely share in Lewin’s observation that it hasn’t ‘been updated for years.’ umm.. how does that lead to the conclusion that the toilets haven’t been .. updated?
Lewin proceeds by don’t need ‘proceeds by’ – cut it out and instead just say Lewin asserts..  asserting that by leaving the toilets as they are, their presence can perhaps act as a deterrent to other ‘overseas travellers’, and as such suggests that the indifference and lack of action more concise is ‘inaction’ shown try ‘displayed’  by the Melbourne Airport could perhaps be costly to Australia’s reputation odd choice of word I think. I know what you mean, but I feel that something like ‘appeal’ or even ‘eminence’ maybe woud be better? Anyhow, great sentence ;). Readers are thus likely to elicit feelings of frustration at the ineptness of the authority figures in the Melbourne Airport, and would agree that some of the ‘profit should be used on appropriate and necessary facilities’ to ascertain a far more welcoming ‘introduction’. ggggrrrrreeaat!!
For me, I feel that your areas for improvement are conciseness and choice of words – mainly if what you’ve written as actually relevant/stated in the text etc.
Awesome job ;)
 
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: scottg15 on October 04, 2015, 10:21:54 pm
Excuse this, was a first attempt and tried to stay within the time limit.
Spoiler
In a letter to the editor, Esther Lewin, shares her disgust for the facilities that Melbourne Airport has to offer to ‘overseas travellers’. In a largely disappointed tone, Lewin describes the state of the toilets as being ‘grubby’, ‘broken’ and ‘grimy’. Through strong descriptors such as these, Lewin intends to raise awareness amongst her readers of the state of these facilities.
Lewin further attacks these facilities, portraying Melbourne, and Australia as a ‘rich’, ‘first world’ country, who are too selfish to provide a decent ‘introduction’ to its overseas visitors. Through portraying the wealth of the country, Lewin aims to alarm her readers and appeal to their sense of decency in providing ‘appropriate and necessary facilities’.
In a last attempt to expose the awfulness of Melbourne’s facilities, Lewin reveals the fact that these facilities are the facade of the country and Melbourne itself. Words such as ‘first introduction’ which appear also in the title, infer to her readers, a negative impression of the ‘rich’ and well-resourced’ Melbourne, which in turn will adversely affect the city.

Sorry as already said, first attempt, but thought that if anything it will provide some hope to others to the the easy competition they are facing.

Glad for feedback, and thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 04, 2015, 10:52:03 pm
Feedback for scottg15
Spoiler
In a I feel that ‘her’ flows better letter to the editor, Esther Lewin, comma not necessary shares her disgust for try ‘regarding’ the facilities that Melbourne Airport has to offer to try ‘for’ ‘overseas travellers’Good intro. However, two things stand out to me: you need to be more specific – she is not disgusted with the facilities in general – instead she is disappointed with the toilets in a particular. And secondly, you need to be more concise – For example, you could have instead written ‘..shares her disgust regarding Melbourne Airport’s poor toilets for ‘overseas travellers’ . In a largely disappointed tone, Lewin describes the state of the toilets as being ‘grubby’, ‘broken’ and ‘grimy’. Through strong descriptors or ‘adjectives’ such as these, Lewin intends to raise awareness amongst her readers of the state of these facilities to ultimately have what effect?.
Lewin further attacks these facilities, portraying Melbourne, and Australia I’d say you could probably just use one of the two in order to be more concise as a ‘rich’, ‘first world’ country, who are too selfish to provide a decent ‘introduction’ to its overseas visitors  that reads for as she is saying that ‘Melbourne is selfish’. That’s not right; instead she’s saying that the airport officials are making Melbourne look bad. Also, conciseness again; I think you could have instead written ‘..who are too selfish to decently introduce themselves to overseas visitors’, although I guess that does lose the quote bit... Through portraying the wealth of the country, Lewin aims to alarm her readers and appeal to their sense of decency in providing ‘appropriate and necessary facilities’ I’m not entirely sure as to how exactly a statement of Australia’s wealth directly leads onto people feeling that way. I get do get what you’re saying, I think it’s just that in this case it might be beneficial to elaborate a little more .
In a last attempt to expose the awfulness of Melbourne’s facilities, Lewin reveals the fact that these facilities are the facade I like it  :) of the country and Melbourne itself. Words such as ‘first (shameful) introduction’ which appear also in the title, infer to her readers, a negative impression of the ‘rich’ and well-resourced’ Melbourne, which in turn will adversely affect the city good point, but what effect does this have upon the reader?.

Nice first attempt :)
My main points for improvement:
-conciseness – cut at ous many unnecessary words as you can
-always going back to what effect there is on the reader
-remain conscious of the technicalities (e.g. toilets, not facilities)
-make sure your writing says what you want it to say
-and I guess keep an eye out for whether you’ve chosen the write word ford the job. If you have time, ask yourself ‘does it read well?’
-and keep up the good work :D
;)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: scottg15 on October 04, 2015, 11:06:56 pm
Thanks heaps.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 04, 2015, 11:37:53 pm
Feedback for vcelife
Spoiler
In a letter to the editor published in an American newspaper, the author condemns the brutality of the public’s support of the death penalty, and thus appeals to the reader’s pity seeking to argue that the death penalty is abhorrent and barbaric and thus should be abolished I didn’t really get what you were trying to say in that last half sentence. Well, I did, it just didn’t seem to flow very well. Perhaps better would be ‘..appeals to the reader’s pity through arguing that the… etc. Otherwise, the intro seems to cover all the bases ;).
The author seeks to shock readers into confronting not sure about the word ‘confronting’ – or at least alone. It’s just that it kinda implies taking the issue on head on or something (at least for me it does), whereas it’s more just about getting the reader to see it in a different way – maybe less drastic?  society’s violent desire to see criminals condemned to death. In try ‘through’ employing quotes from “ordinary people” that portray society as wanting to go back to the “old days” whereby the death penalty was carried out quickly and without numerous appeals, the author seeks to portray the death penalty as both unjust and savagely cruel, a historic relic this isn’t a quote is it? If not, I feel that you’re sorta dragging it out a little. that is an anachronism nice in today’s world excellent sentence, although perhaps a little long or complex or something?. The author intends to alienate readers from this general perception by playing upon their fear of seeming old fashioned, and thus the author seeks to encourage readers to move past the death penalty as a form of punishment and think for themselves I feel that that last little phrase is out of place – it’s kinda already been said..
The author portrays “ordinary people” as simplistic yeah, although if you have the opportunity to use a quote from the article, probably do. In this case you could have used “scary as hell” for example and fuelled by “bloodlust”. In arguing that the reasons for wanting the death penalty stem from fear and money, the author seeks to undermine the “everyday, ordinary human[‘s]” argument great :) but what effect does this have on the reader?. In using only simplistic language when describing these ideas such as labelling the “death row inmates” as “bad people”, the author attempts to imply that such people are incapable of comprehending the complex ideas of justice I’m not sure, you may be right. If so, great pickup!. The reader is positioned to feel superior to people that hold such ideas, and thus are encouraged to see beyond the death penalty as the method for justice fantastic!

Great piece, although I feel that an opportunity that shouldn’t have been missed was to analyse the final sentence: “You people vote”. Despite being short a short sentence, it is very sharp.

Main areas for improvement:
-At times it feels as though you’re expanding a little too much and almost turning into an opinion piece. Avoid this.
-Choice of words. If you have time, it’s worth contemplating if you really have chosen the appropriate word.
And keep doing whatever you’re doing – some really great stuff!
P.s. good work on being the only person to attempt this piece ;).
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Burt Macklin on October 05, 2015, 08:54:56 pm
Week 3 LA: (Not as much as I would like to have done as I found this one a little harder to put together (it's still taking me a bit long to figure out the HOWs and WHYs); I'll hopefully get WK 4 done in the next 2 days)
Spoiler
The relevance and ethics of using the death penalty in modern society has been a topic of vehement debate. Greg Smith weighs in on this issue in his letter to the editor, contending in an alarmist and critical tone that ordinary citizens are demonstrating their immorality and reactionary habits in supporting the death penalty because it is “cheaper”. Smith mainly employs emotive language and direct accusations to persuade “average everyday humans”.

By implicating the “average everyday human” as “scary as hell”, Smith presents his reader with the notion that those like them possess qualities that are alarming. This sense of alarm is created through the association made, unsettling readers as the connotations of “average” and “everyday” as low-key and harmless come in stark contrast with the frantic “scary as hell”. With this association in mind, Smith engenders into the reader the idea that they are “horrifying” because they support the death penalty. However, the incredulous tone evoked through “no conceivable argument” and “literally arguing” suggests to the reader that what should be “horrifying” is that supporters possess a lack of rationality.  Readers are steered towards the disturbing belief that supporters have abandoned moral sensibilities as Smith argues that this fact should be a cause of concern.

Smith criticises the death penalty as a “stain” on the “embarrassing” criminal justice system. Similar assertions are employed with the use of “already” and quotation marks on “justice” implying that incompetence and ineffectiveness have been prevalent. This instils in readers feelings of shame and guilt with regards to the justice system, thereby positioning readers to feel anger towards supporters of the death penalty that are unjustly keeping a system alive that can irrevocably harm “good people”.

Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 05, 2015, 10:30:29 pm
Feedback for Burt Macklin
Spoiler
The relevance relevance? How so? Should this word be here? and ethics of using the death penalty in modern society not sure if these last three words were really all that necessary. has been a topic of vehement debate Nice intro, although that last bit could have been phrased ‘has been vehemently debated’ in order to be more concise. Greg Smith weighs in on this issue in his letter to the editor Not sure if this is necessary. Instead you probably could have more concisely written ‘In his letter to the editor, Greg Smith contends..’, contending in an alarmist and critical I’m not sure, but it’s sort of as though alarmist already imples critical? tone that ordinary citizens I believe that ‘citizens’ alone implies ‘ordinary’, right? are demonstrating their immorality and reactionary habits in or ‘though’, but maybe ‘in’ is okay? supporting the death penalty because it is “cheaper”. Smith mainly I don’t think this is necessary, right?  employs emotive language and direct accusations if possible, combine to create ‘Smith employs directly accusative emotive language to.. to persuade “average everyday humans” but how does this specifically effect (or is the correct word ‘affect’?) the reader?.

By implicating the “average everyday human” as is “scary as hell”, Smith presents his reader with the notion that those like them possess qualities that are alarming alarming qualities. This sense of I removed this as I feel that it doesn’t add anything to your case alarm is created through the association made, unsettling readers as the connotations of “average” and “everyday” as Bangali recently wrote in one of her guides, never write two consecutive synonyms if you are aiming to be concise. Although I guess these are technically quotes, so I guess this is a borderline case.. as low-key and harmless alright, now you’re pushing it :P come in stark contrast with the frantic  not sure if ‘the frantic’ really sure be there, but perhas it adds flow. Still, borderline. “scary as hell” nice argument :). With this association in mind more concise: ‘through this association’, Smith engenders into the reader the idea that they are “horrifying” because they support the death penalty but for that little bit at the start, great sentence :). However, the incredulous tone evoked through “no conceivable argument” and “literally arguing” suggests to the reader that what should be “horrifying” is that supporters possess a lack of rationality I feel that more concise is: ‘The incredulous tone evoked through “no conceivable argument” and “literally arguing” suggest that it is “horrible” that supporters lack rationality’. So now that I’ve made it more concise, we can see that that doesn’t really make sense (I think?). But even though I could only spot the flaw upon concisifying the sentence, don’t be fooled; as bangali wisely said ‘Examiners wear X-ray glasses, they will see through your arguments even if you use super complex words’ .  Readers are steered towards the word ‘shown’ or something along those lines would be more concise the disturbing belief that supporters have abandoned morality sensibilities as Smith argues that this fact should be maybe ‘is’ is better, not sure.. a cause of concern.

Smith criticises the death penalty as a “stain” on the “embarrassing” criminal justice system excellent ;). Similar assertions are employed with or ‘through’ the use of “already” and quotation marks on is ‘around’ better? “justice” implying that incompetence and ineffectiveness again, consecutive synonyms have been prevalent. This instils in readers feelings of shame and guilt almost consecutive synonyms again I’d say with regards to regarding the justice system, thereby positioning readers to feel anger towards supporters of the death penalty that are unjustly keeping a system alive that can irrevocably harm “good people”.

Nice piece :D
Hope my feedback helped
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: That Other Guy on October 05, 2015, 11:32:25 pm
Hey guys, I just wanted to say how fantastic this thread is. Unfortunately, I jumped on the band-wagon a little late; but nonetheless, here is my response to the letter for week 4. I completed this in 20 minutes. 

Spoiler
In a letter to the editor, entitled “Shameful introduction”, Esther Lewin expresses her disenchantment regarding the condition of the toilet facilities at Melbourne airport. Propelling her discourse in an embittered tone, Lewin contends that the state of these public amenities defile the outward aesthetics of Australia and “what… it offers”.

Lewin begins anecdotally, impressing upon the reader a sense of her experience and thus her position of authority on the matter. The use of “each time”, coupled with “I have been disgusted”, exposes this issue as perennial and one that is experienced on a personal level by all who utilise the airport facilities. The direct contrast between “First World” and “Third World” here positions the reader to be reviled at the standards of the facilities and consider them to be retrograde. This is compounded by the use of words such as “dirty”, “grubby” and “grimy”, weighted with an acrimony for filth, and serve to build upon the already-established revulsion of the letter. Thus, Lewin deems Melbourne airport’s shortcomings to be inexcusable as they belie the “Well-resourced” opportunities that the country proffers.

Moreover, Lewin appeals to the reader’s sense of economy by exposing the paradoxes of Melbourne Airport’s management’s usage of capital. By acknowledging that “services at the airport” are “expensive”, Lewin seeks to amass a following of those who are aware that the price versus the quality is grossly incongruous. In stating that updates to the public amenities should be “appropriate” and “necessary”, Lewin suggests that authority figures at Melbourne Airport have overlooked something of the most basic nature – and in the process, she unearths their true ineptitude. The high modality colouring the word “unconscionable” appears to be a scathing attack regarding the maltreatment of the “Cleaners”, who Lewin portrays as exploited by the airport’s attempt to “economise on their services”. Here, the audience is made aware that not only is Melbourne airport dismissive of people’s hygiene, it is entirely avaricious. Hence, the reader is galvanised to perceive Melbourne airport management with a pejorative lens.

In concluding her letter, Lewin assumes a worldly approach and notes that the airport is often travellers’ “first introduction” to the country. Herein, Lewin appeals to the reader’s sense of nationalism in portraying this issue as not only deplorable for the individual, but the entire nation itself. Through this, the reader is likely to experience a sense of embarrassment of the airport’s management. Thus, with the final words, “I think this is shameful”, Lewin reinforces her contention, establishing an atmosphere of contempt that may linger with the reader, fermenting further negative emotions regarding the condition of Melbourne airport’s facilities and arousing an awareness of the need for change.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 06, 2015, 05:36:20 pm
Feedback for That Other Guy

Spoiler
In a letter to the editor, entitled “Shameful introduction”, Esther Lewin expresses her disenchantment great word! regarding the condition of I must say, we’ve got a lot of wannabe superheros on AN, all cutting the fine line with conciseness :). I feel this way mainly because those last three words, ‘condition of the toilets’, don’t really add anything to your case other than what the following few words seem to already say.. the toilets
 facilities at Melbourne airport. Propelling her discourse in an embittered tone, Lewin I believe we can actually just cut out that whole first segment, and then insert a word such as ‘sourly’ here, and say  the same thing, only in far fewer words
 contends that the state of these public amenities defile the outward aesthetics of Australia and “what… it offers” Awesome intro! Unlike Lewin’s, yours is anything but shameful ;).

Lewin begins anecdotally, impressing upon the reader a sense of her experience and thus her position of authority on the matter more concise: Lewin anecdotally impresses upon the reader her experience, and thus her authority on the matter. Which ultimately has what effect on the reader? (making them more inclined to believe/appreciate her arguments). The use of “each time”, coupled with “I have been disgusted”, exposes this issue as perennial and one that is experienced on a personal level by all who utilise the airport facilities. The direct contrast between “First World” and “Third World” here positions the reader to be revileds at the standards of the facilities and consider them to be retrograde more concise: The contrast between “First World” and “Third World” reviles the reader regarding retrograde facilities (I mean, that does work, right?). This is compounded by the use of words such as “dirty”, “grubby” and “grimy”, weighted with an acrimony for filth I’m not saying it doesn’t belong here, I just don’t personally get how this bit fits in, and serve to builds upon the already-established revulsion of the letter having what effect upon the reader? And also, if something is building upon something else, then surely it is already established?. Thus not sure if this word belongs here, Lewin deems Melbourne airport’s shortcomings to be inexcusable as they belie the “Well-resourced” opportunities that the country proffers ’that the country proffers?’ Do you mean she implies that, or is that a bit opinionated or..? Remember; you don’t want to turn an LA into an opinion piece. Also, what effect does this sentence have on the reader? Does it make them want to act in same way, or feel some way or..?.

Moreover, Lewin appeals to the reader’s sense of economy frugality by exposing the paradoxes paradoxes? Why? I know that you wrote this super quick, bit still, it’s always good to try and be a little prudent by thinking about what you’re going to write before you do so. Perhaps you were looking for a word more like ‘flaws’? of Melbourne Airport’s management’s usage of capital expenditure. By acknowledging that “services at the airport” are “expensive”, Lewin seeks to amass a following of those who are aware that the price versus the quality is grossly incongruous I get what you’re saying, but it’s almost as though it’s overly concise. I say this because you haven’t really specified what ‘the quality’ is referring to. . In stating that updates to the public amenities correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t amenities kinda imply public anyway? should be “appropriate” and “necessary”, Lewin suggests that authority figures at Melbourne Airport have overlooked something of the most basic nature perhaps just ‘basic’ or ‘obvious’ would be more concise than those last five words?  – and in the process, she unearths their true ineptitude true, although if you don’t then state how this relates back to the reader, there isn’t really any point of having it. The high modality I personally don’t get how this word fits in. although maybe that’s just me..? colouring the word “unconscionable” appears to be a scathing attack regarding the maltreatment of the “Cleaners”, who Lewin portrays as exploited by the airport’s attempt to “economise on their services”. Here < I get why you’ve it, I’m just not sure if it really belongs, the audience is made aware learns that not only is Melbourne airport dismissive of people’s hygiene a.k.a. unhygienic?, it is entirely avaricious again, this feels a little opinionated (but I’m not sure). Hence, the reader is galvanised to galvanise someone means to shock or excite them into action. I’m not sure that merely causing someone to perceive differently is worthy of the word galvanised. But then, you guessed it – I’m not sure to perceive Melbourne airport management with a pejorative great word! lens.

In concluding her letter It may be that you don’t actually need this first phrase; she has used the technique, and unless the location of the bit you’re analysing is critically important, I’d think that it’d be more concise without this bit, Lewin assumes a worldly approach and notesing that the airport is often travellers’ “first introduction” to the country. Herein again, same rant as I just went through, discussing that perhaps location in the piece isn’t needed not sure :P, Lewin appeals to the reader’s sense of nationalism in portraying this issue as not only deplorable for the individual, but the entire nation itself More concise: issue as deplorable for both the individual and the nation. Through this, the reader is likely to experience a sense of embarrassment of regarding the airport’s management. Thus, with the final words now I think it’s acceptable to describe the location, given the fact the they are indeed the ‘final words’, “I think this is shameful”, Lewin reinforces her contention, establishing an atmosphere of contempt that may linger with the reader, fermenting further negative emotions regarding the condition of Melbourne airport’s facilities and arousing an awareness of the need a desire for change.

Fantastic piece, especially given the time constraints :D
I think you’ve got a few things to work on, but going really well.
 
Good job :)
P.s. Thanks for the great choice of topic Bangali  ::)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on October 06, 2015, 05:42:24 pm
Thanks duo!
And in return:
Feedback for duo0024
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Traveller good start, sets the scene and all, although I feel that by adding this in straight away and not analysing immediately, you’re kinda wasting your opportunity to analyise it. Well I guess you’re not really, just that you still need to come back to it later. Esther btw Esther is a female name (I think)  Lewin’s disappointment pervades throughout his review in regards to the toilets at the Melbourne Airport failing to meet up to ‘First World’ standards nice, although I think you’d do well to perhaps also delve into her likening of it to a third world country facility?. Designed to shine a spotlight are clichés okay in the VCE?. Also I think illuminating would be more concise and suited. on the lack of care assigned to these facilities also I think she tries to discuss the lack of funding for it, Lewin contends that the conditions of toilets at Melbourne Airport could perhaps be seen as a deterrent to other travellers especially those from overseas. (don’t right that, but perhaps mention in some way?).
Lewin commences his review by establishing his credentials to his readers as someone who ‘travel(s) often’, thereby attempting to ascertain a relationship of authority authority? A word like that applies to week 2’s analysis of the doctor, but I wouldn’t say Lewin has authority, it’s more like she’s in a good position  with the reader. As he has had many experiences and exposures to other toilets in other countriestechnically, Lewin never actually specified that he’d been to other countries.., the readership will not only now portray don’t think that is the right word – try ‘view’  Lewin as more worthy to critique the Melbourne Airport for their ‘disgust(ing)’ ‘toilets’, but also take his arguments into consideration not quite comfortable with that last phrase – it’s kinda like you’ve already stated that?.
The tricolon ‘first world, rich, well-resourced’ bam! (sorry, I meant ‘cool’) used to describe Australia seeks to establish and inflate the grandeur of the Australian country why ‘country’? is it really necessary? , inciting feelings of pride in the Australian readership fantastic!. This pride however, soon diminishes into feelings of shame not quite shame, it’s more like embarrassment I think. Lewin is shaming the airport management, not the reader. She is simply appealing to her readership’s patriotism to an extent – resulting in us feeling ‘let down’, and hence we resort to also wanting to shame the airport staff – not ourselves, the readers., and disgust when Lewin contrasts this grandeur to the ‘dirty floors, grubby toilets’ and ‘broken furniture’ I’m likin’ it :). By listing a surplus of the negative aspects of Melbourne Airport’s toilets, Lewin suggests to the readership that the list is unexhausted, thereby compelling Melbournians to depict the issue of their ‘grubby toilets’ as far worse than imagined, and would thus likely share in Lewin’s observation that it hasn’t ‘been updated for years.’ umm.. how does that lead to the conclusion that the toilets haven’t been .. updated?
Lewin proceeds by don’t need ‘proceeds by’ – cut it out and instead just say Lewin asserts..  asserting that by leaving the toilets as they are, their presence can perhaps act as a deterrent to other ‘overseas travellers’, and as such suggests that the indifference and lack of action more concise is ‘inaction’ shown try ‘displayed’  by the Melbourne Airport could perhaps be costly to Australia’s reputation odd choice of word I think. I know what you mean, but I feel that something like ‘appeal’ or even ‘eminence’ maybe woud be better? Anyhow, great sentence ;). Readers are thus likely to elicit feelings of frustration at the ineptness of the authority figures in the Melbourne Airport, and would agree that some of the ‘profit should be used on appropriate and necessary facilities’ to ascertain a far more welcoming ‘introduction’. ggggrrrrreeaat!!
For me, I feel that your areas for improvement are conciseness and choice of words – mainly if what you’ve written as actually relevant/stated in the text etc.
Awesome job ;)
 
Hey duo & all others who were following :)
Sorry - I've realised that I was mistaken. I recommended that you shouldn't have used the word 'authority' (I've highlighted it green in the above quote). I was wrong. After 'That Other Guy' did the same thing, I started to doubt myself and hence looked it up. It turns out that authority is in fact not only " the power or right to give orders, make decisions, and enforce obedience", but also " the power to influence others, especially because of one's commanding manner or one's recognized knowledge about something" amongst other things.
My bad  :-[
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: That Other Guy on October 06, 2015, 06:36:28 pm
Feedback for That Other Guy

Spoiler
In a letter to the editor, entitled “Shameful introduction”, Esther Lewin expresses her disenchantment great word! regarding the condition of I must say, we’ve got a lot of wannabe superheros on AN, all cutting the fine line with conciseness :). I feel this way mainly because those last three words, ‘condition of the toilets’, don’t really add anything to your case other than what the following few words seem to already say.. the toilets
 facilities at Melbourne airport. Propelling her discourse in an embittered tone, Lewin I believe we can actually just cut out that whole first segment, and then insert a word such as ‘sourly’ here, and say  the same thing, only in far fewer words
 contends that the state of these public amenities defile the outward aesthetics of Australia and “what… it offers” Awesome intro! Unlike Lewin’s, yours is anything but shameful ;).

Lewin begins anecdotally, impressing upon the reader a sense of her experience and thus her position of authority on the matter more concise: Lewin anecdotally impresses upon the reader her experience, and thus her authority on the matter. Which ultimately has what effect on the reader? (making them more inclined to believe/appreciate her arguments). The use of “each time”, coupled with “I have been disgusted”, exposes this issue as perennial and one that is experienced on a personal level by all who utilise the airport facilities. The direct contrast between “First World” and “Third World” here positions the reader to be revileds at the standards of the facilities and consider them to be retrograde more concise: The contrast between “First World” and “Third World” reviles the reader regarding retrograde facilities (I mean, that does work, right?). This is compounded by the use of words such as “dirty”, “grubby” and “grimy”, weighted with an acrimony for filth I’m not saying it doesn’t belong here, I just don’t personally get how this bit fits in, and serve to builds upon the already-established revulsion of the letter having what effect upon the reader? And also, if something is building upon something else, then surely it is already established?. Thus not sure if this word belongs here, Lewin deems Melbourne airport’s shortcomings to be inexcusable as they belie the “Well-resourced” opportunities that the country proffers ’that the country proffers?’ Do you mean she implies that, or is that a bit opinionated or..? Remember; you don’t want to turn an LA into an opinion piece. Also, what effect does this sentence have on the reader? Does it make them want to act in same way, or feel some way or..?.

Moreover, Lewin appeals to the reader’s sense of economy frugality by exposing the paradoxes paradoxes? Why? I know that you wrote this super quick, bit still, it’s always good to try and be a little prudent by thinking about what you’re going to write before you do so. Perhaps you were looking for a word more like ‘flaws’? of Melbourne Airport’s management’s usage of capital expenditure. By acknowledging that “services at the airport” are “expensive”, Lewin seeks to amass a following of those who are aware that the price versus the quality is grossly incongruous I get what you’re saying, but it’s almost as though it’s overly concise. I say this because you haven’t really specified what ‘the quality’ is referring to. . In stating that updates to the public amenities correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t amenities kinda imply public anyway? should be “appropriate” and “necessary”, Lewin suggests that authority figures at Melbourne Airport have overlooked something of the most basic nature perhaps just ‘basic’ or ‘obvious’ would be more concise than those last five words?  – and in the process, she unearths their true ineptitude true, although if you don’t then state how this relates back to the reader, there isn’t really any point of having it. The high modality I personally don’t get how this word fits in. although maybe that’s just me..? colouring the word “unconscionable” appears to be a scathing attack regarding the maltreatment of the “Cleaners”, who Lewin portrays as exploited by the airport’s attempt to “economise on their services”. Here < I get why you’ve it, I’m just not sure if it really belongs, the audience is made aware learns that not only is Melbourne airport dismissive of people’s hygiene a.k.a. unhygienic?, it is entirely avaricious again, this feels a little opinionated (but I’m not sure). Hence, the reader is galvanised to galvanise someone means to shock or excite them into action. I’m not sure that merely causing someone to perceive differently is worthy of the word galvanised. But then, you guessed it – I’m not sure to perceive Melbourne airport management with a pejorative great word! lens.

In concluding her letter It may be that you don’t actually need this first phrase; she has used the technique, and unless the location of the bit you’re analysing is critically important, I’d think that it’d be more concise without this bit, Lewin assumes a worldly approach and notesing that the airport is often travellers’ “first introduction” to the country. Herein again, same rant as I just went through, discussing that perhaps location in the piece isn’t needed not sure :P, Lewin appeals to the reader’s sense of nationalism in portraying this issue as not only deplorable for the individual, but the entire nation itself More concise: issue as deplorable for both the individual and the nation. Through this, the reader is likely to experience a sense of embarrassment of regarding the airport’s management. Thus, with the final words now I think it’s acceptable to describe the location, given the fact the they are indeed the ‘final words’, “I think this is shameful”, Lewin reinforces her contention, establishing an atmosphere of contempt that may linger with the reader, fermenting further negative emotions regarding the condition of Melbourne airport’s facilities and arousing an awareness of the need a desire for change.

Fantastic piece, especially given the time constraints :D
I think you’ve got a few things to work on, but going really well.
 
Good job :)
P.s. Thanks for the great choice of topic Bangali  ::)

Thank you very much for the feedback, TheAspiringDoc! It's great to have someone who does not know you personally review your work. I have begun to realise that, under pressure, my word choices aren't as sensible as they usually are. I'll be working on that for sure.
For someone who is in year 9, you have an excellent awareness of language conventions and vocabulary that will surely take you far. Thanks again for the feedback! :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 07, 2015, 09:16:59 am
Hey guys, first want to say thanks for all joining in, and keep up your writing and your contributions to each other! :))

Brief feedback on your feedback guys ;): could focus a bit less on people's language, expression, conciseness etc., which is hard to improve on quickly before the exam, and a bit more on their ideas and depth which are ultimately the main mark-scorers (basically, how much they're analysing the effect on the reader).

Here's an eg of the sorts of things you could comment on
In a largely disappointed tone, Lewin describes the state of the toilets as being ‘grubby’, ‘broken’ and ‘grimy’. Through strong descriptors such as these, Lewin intends to raise awareness amongst her readers of the state of these facilities.
Cool, you've identified awesome quotes and a technique :)
Do you think the point is just 'to raise awareness'? Or maybe to arouse revulsion/horror?
Also, rather than just stating that this technique/quote 'raises awareness' or 'persuades them to agree with her', I'd like you to prove it to me!  How do those strong descriptors, those specific words you quoted, make us feel?  What feelings do they wake up?  Don't leave any gaps for me to guess - pull apart those words and explain in minute detail how this works on the audience to get them to feel and think something, so they'll agree :)


In a last attempt to expose the awfulness of Melbourne’s facilities, Lewin reveals the fact that these facilities are the facade of the country and Melbourne itself. Words such as ‘first introduction’ which appear also in the title, infer to her readers, a negative impression of the ‘rich’ and well-resourced’ Melbourne, which in turn will adversely affect the city.
Okay, so, HOW does 'first introduction' create a negative impression?  How do these words actually do that?  And then, why does the author want to present it this way?
And I'd avoid throwing in random quotes (e.g. 'rich and well-resourced') if you're not going to analyse them, since they won't score you marks (marks come from analysing how it persuades the reader).  If you want to analyse those words, think about how they make us feel about Melbourne, and why the author wants us to think that way.


Basically: keep asking 'how' and 'why' - how does this particular word or technique make us feel, why/how does it make us feel that way, and why does the author want us to feel that way? (ie. how does it persuade us to agree with the overall message)

P.S. Sorry whoever's work this is, nothing personal bout your writing, just randomly landed on it!
eg of my real feedback
The alleged abuses occurring at asylum seeker camps offshore Australia has been a contentious issue as of late. Greg Trenton weighs in on this issue in his letter to the editor entitled, “This ordinary bloke has finally had enough, contending in a disillusioned and exasperated tone that the deceit conducted by Australian politicians has reached a tipping point and that their failure to address the abuses at camp will be brought into public consciousness what exactly do you mean by the underlined part?. Trenton mainly adopts the use of colloquial language and denigration of politicians to persuade everyday Australian citizens towards his viewpoint nothing wrong with it, but it’s good to make a habit of cutting out anything vague and general like ‘persuades them to agree with his viewpoint’ as they don’t add anything to your analysis.
Really solid intro that ticks off boxes and says everything clearly and concisely.  Well done.

By establishing himself as an “ordinary bloke” who “[makes] ends meet”, Trenton has provided the reader with a representation of a man who seems familiar to them, therefore making them more inclined to trust his authenticity – as he is acutely aware of the actions of politicians, despite not giving “a rats about politics” your explanation is clear and really good - could you then expand further? Why does he present himself as someone who doesn't 'give a rats' about politics?  It's good and you could get more out of it. By employing the use of colloquial language such as “pollies” and “docs”, Trenton creates a personable tone noice, but by running multiple impacts together into one sentence, you miss a chance to analyse.  Why does he create a personable tone?  How is he trying to get the readers to view him through this tone, and why does he want them to view him that way?  How does it help persuade them? while simultaneously creating a divide between “ordinary Aussies” and the brazen “pollies” brilliant! now think about how this influences the reader and makes them feel towards the politicians. The divide is further developed by Trenton by mentioning the criticisms from noble doctors who “leave their cushy well-paid jobs” to aid compared to politicians who stay silent on the issue. This serves to highlight the suffering morality of politicians to the reader, as Trenton attempts to elicit an urgency to address the callousness of the government. To take this to a higher level (and yes, it’s already really high-quality, but I want you to go further!), expand on the point a bit longer.   You don’t have to try and cram analysis of a few phrases into one sentence; take the time to breathe and spread it out over a few sentences.  Think about that ‘leave their cushy well-paid jobs’ again.  Why does he say that?  How is he trying to make the readers view the doctors?  How do these words create this feeling?  And why does he want them to view the doctors that way?  Then, you brilliantly suggested he uses this to contrast with the politicians; so how does that make us feel about the politicians?  Do we like or dislike them, respect or despise them?  And thus what does that stimulate us to want to think or do? (you’ve answered most of these in very very brief detail, but could expand more over a couple of sentences)
Spoiler
‘cushy well-paid jobs’ – aims to make the readers view the doctors as self-sacrificing and noble, so they’ll see their claims as reliable rather than being made up for reasons of self-interest, thus they’ll believe the horrific conditions of the camps.  Contrasts with politicians who are presented as selfish, callous and unreliable, so we despise and don’t rely on them and thus believe they’re telling lies.

Trenton’s admission of the allegations going through the “keeper” as he makes “ends meet” serves to eliminate any readers’ predisposition to disregard his claims because of self-righteousness really great ideas here, well done!. Thus, the reader is more inclined to believe that Trenton is speaking from a place of genuine frustration; evident as he points out the politicians’ self-preservation in his irreverent jibe nice word towards a government who “can’t comment” because it would “alert the baddies”. Trenton’s mocking tone suggests to the reader the folly over allaying foes instead of prioritising humanitarian concerns encourages the reader to ridicule etc. Coupled with Trenton’s stance that he is “off to enrol”, he leaves readers with the belief that if current politicians are not capable, they will be able to vote in political changes. unclear last sentence, I don’t get what you’re trying to say

Summary: really good work, you obviously know the point of LA and are focusing on how the reader is influenced by the author's choices.  You could just go further and expand more, especially by asking yourself more questions all the time about why the author is doing this, how exactly the author wants the audience to view someone/thing involved (e.g. the author himself, the doctors, the politicians), why he wants the readers to view them like this, in what way the language makes them feel like this, etc. 

All the time keep asking questions about how it impacts the reader's views and why, and be willing to spread analysis of even just one sentence/phrase over a few sentences, rather than trying to cram 2-3 things into one sentence. 
wow, I'm so arrogant, like 'gaze upon my feedback and learn, ye lowly mortals' :P  Apologies, I'm in no way a model of feedback-giving ::)

P.S.
as bangali wisely said
wooooooo I'm rising the world!  been quoted for the first time in my life! ;)
P.s. Thanks for the great choice of topic Bangali  ::)
You are so totally welcome.  I'll be trying to better it next week ;D any suggestions for a super-awkward topic welcome, anyone
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: scottg15 on October 07, 2015, 04:43:10 pm
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P.S. Sorry whoever's work this is, nothing personal bout your writing, just randomly landed on it!

Thanks very much, and will be implemented next time (if I do another one)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Coffee on October 08, 2015, 05:43:24 pm
Haven't been doing as well as I'd like lately so I'm going to start joining in to get in some practise! (Haven't written an LA in a while). Sorry for randomly jumping into week 4! Not sure if I'm going to back track yet or not, we'll see how I go.

Spoiler
Esther Lewin’s opinion piece, ‘Shameful Introduction’, condemns the toilets at Melbourne Airport. Blunt and direct in tone, Lewin contends that the current state of the facilities are deplorable and will deter tourists.

Lewin expresses her disgust at the state of the toilets through a cluster of adjectives, ‘dirty’, ‘grubby’, and ‘grimy’, evoking a sense of revulsion amongst her readership. Juxtaposed against the descriptors ‘rich’ and ‘well-resourced’, Lewin dramatises the state of Australia’s facilities and is further emphasised through her claim ‘these are Third World standard’. This connotation is used to associate the toilets with developing countries, thus positioning the reader to view them in a negative light and feel both shocked and ashamed. Lewin remarks that the facilities look as though they haven’t been ‘updated for years’. By suggesting the facilities haven’t been updated, Lewin blames the government for its current state; directing the audience’s outrage towards the government and positioning them to view the government as negligent for not adhering to proper hygiene standards.

By labelling the facilities as ‘necessary’, Lewin places the facilities at the forefront of the audience’s mind; emphasising their importance. Lewin stresses it is the ‘first introduction’ for overseas travellers to what Melbourne offers and her remark that it is ‘shameful’ suggests that the facilities could be a deterrent to tourists and appeals to the financial wellbeing of Australians, causing readers to fear for the country's financial stability. Likewise, she further provokes feelings of shame and disgrace in her remark and the audience is left to contemplate the government’s priorities and the standards of Australia’s facilities.

Sorry it's bad :/
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: scottg15 on October 08, 2015, 06:24:13 pm
Here is some feedback for Coffee, but this is the first feedback ive given so don't rely on it too much.
If someone else could also give some feedback, both me and Coffee will be happy.

Spoiler
Esther Lewin’s opinion piece letter to the editor (may not be necessary but sounds a bit more sophisticated), ‘Shameful Introduction’, condemns the state of the toilets at Melbourne Airport. Great. Blunt and direct in tone, Lewin contends that the current state of the facilities are deplorable and will deter tourists. Great but also, who is the audience, and what general appeals. Just the intro may be too succinct.

Lewin expresses her disgust at the state of the toilets through a cluster of verbs verbs???, these are doing words, and you have listed describing words. Maybe ‘adjectives’ is suitable. ‘dirty’, ‘grubby’, and ‘grimy’, evoking a sense of revulsion amongst her readership. Great. Juxtaposed against the descriptors ‘rich’ and ‘well-resourced’, Lewin dramatises the state of Australia’s facilities and is further emphasised through her claim ‘these are Third World standard’. This (connotation) good word. Shows you are digging deep into the argument. is used to associate the toilets with developing countries, thus positioning the reader to view them in a negative light and feel both shocked and ashamed. Lewin remarks that the facilities look as though they haven’t been ‘updated for years’. By suggesting the facilities haven’t been updated, Lewin blames the government (I don’t know but is the airport part of the government. Maybe the Melbourne Airport.) for its current state; directing the audience’s outrage towards the government again. and positioning them to view the government again. as negligent for not adhering to proper hygiene standards.
Great paragraph,

By labelling the facilities as ‘necessary’, Lewin places the facilities at the forefront of the audience’s mind ; emphasising not that you’re using it too often, but this could be changed to highlights, underlines, or stresses. Probably more because this is what I need to do. their importance. Lewin stresses it is the ‘first introduction’ for overseas travellers to what Melbourne offers and her remark that it is ‘shameful’ suggests that the facilities could be a deterrent to tourists and appeals to the financial wellbeing of Australians, causing readers to fear for the country's financial stability. Something is clumsy in this sentence. But don’t know what??Likewise, she further provokes feelings of shame and disgrace in her remark which remark??? and if you’re talking about ‘shameful’, then don’t say is provokes shame, because that is obvious. and the audience is left to contemplate the government’s again priorities and the standards of Australia’s facilities.

Overall great essay and good work. This is the first time I’ve given feedback so don’t rely on this too much. Someone else may give you some.
However
- Could have included how Lewin is a traveller and therefore has the authority to speak so negatively about the toilets.

But otherwise, I like it. And keep up the hard work, It’ll pay off on the 28th.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Coffee on October 08, 2015, 06:34:15 pm
Thanks for the feedback scottg15 :)

And yes, I did mean adjectives! Might pay to start proof-reading... Will fix the original post now.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 12, 2015, 09:52:18 am
Here is week 5's letter!  Sorry it's late!  There are two letters - you can either chose one and write just on that, or do a comparative (which I recommend).  The topic is whether we should ban smacking in Australia.

Spoiler

Letter 1
The idea of banning smacking is based on nothing but nauseating, dewy-eyed, new-age catch-phrases - ‘socioemotional needs’, ‘emotional affirmation’ and ‘rich parent-child relationships’.

Giving the cheeky brats a good ol’ wallop or two won’t hurt ‘em.  I want my kid to grow up to be an honest, upright guy.  Someone who can take what comes.  Someone who can shoulder his duty without a whimper.  Someone who reminds me of the spirit and courage of our dying Anzacs.  Not a washed-out wimp who needs to be wrapped up in cotton wool and take the occasional recourse to smelling salts on a lace handkerchief to nurture his fragile delicacy.

They knew how to do it in the good ole days.
Jem Fitzwiggin, Footscray

Letter 2
Banning smacking.  The idea terrifies me.  Why should the government steal my chance to build bonds of love and respect between myself and my child?

I'm sure you're very familiar with these broad discipline types showcased in supermarkets.
Type 1: ‘No Henry, we’re not buying that, we’re going.’  The mother struts self-consciously up the aisle… halts indecisively… turns and flutters ineffectually back.  The irresolute, frazzled nagging repeats ceaselessly, as little Henry crows triumphantly; he knows he’s already won.
Type 2: A ceaseless torrent of yelling and abuse – an accumulation of fermenting anger at all his crimes from yesterday, last week, last month. The child cowers in sullen fear and anger.
Type 3: a firm, solid smack.  Instant obedience.  Instant forgiveness and love, as the child cries into the warm, comforting arms of his mummy.   It’s over.  Finished.  They can move on.

Somehow they think banning type 3 discipline will better our relationships and society.  But I have yet to meet someone who can give one conceivable reason why a simple, firm, open-handed smack is more damaging than prolonged violent verbal abuse. Tell me.  How on earth can forcing parents towards types 1 and 2 develop parent-child love, trust and respect? Which type do you want for your child?  Which type do you want for your society?
Angie James, Toowoomba
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: scottg15 on October 12, 2015, 09:37:30 pm
Here is an attempt at week 4's, but as you'll probably realize i got sick of it by the end.
Spoiler
WEEK 4: WEEKLY LETTER-TO-THE-EDITOR

Through appealing to his readers sense of pride, Jem Fitzwiggin in a letter to the editor, contends to the Australian parent that the idea of banning smacking impinges on the ANZAC spirit, and will only pamper the children to become ‘washed-out wimps’. Further attacking this proposal, Angie James contends to her readers that the banning will only tear at the parent-child love relationships of society, through the use of anecdotes and appeals to her reader’s common sense.

In his letter, Jem Fitzwiggin opens his letter by undermining the idea of banning smacking. Though using words such as ‘nauseating’ and ‘emotional affirmation’, Jem outlines to his readers that this idea has no solid basis for change, and intends to initially arouse questioning amongst his readership. Jem follows this with the use of colloquial language, stating ‘give the cheeky brats a good ol’ wallop’. This is used by Jem to align his readership with him, as he intends to draw parallels with his readers as to their children and their mischievous deeds. Having created this association, Jem uses a personal anecdote to give himself authority in the eyes of his readers as he too, has a ‘kid’.

Having created this foundation, Jem then appeals to his reader’s patriotic pride, through comparing his ideal of an ‘honest and upright’ child with the ‘spirit and courage of our dying Anzacs’. Through doing so, Jem intends to arouse questioning amongst his readership, as to their ideal child and the qualities they hold. However, Jem contrasts these positive characteristics with a ‘washed-out’ and a ‘wool’ wrapped, ‘wimp’. Through juxtaposing the two possible ideals, Jem appeals to his reader’s common sense, as they are coerced to choose between the two.

Also contending against the possible banning of smacking, Angie James opens her letter questioning the intentions of the government, accusing them of ‘steal[ing] her chance to build bonds of love and respect’. This initial undermining of the proposal, is used by Angie to provoke instant opposition to the government, as she appeals to her reader’s societal values.

Angie continues to do so through the use of ‘supermarket’ anecdotes. Contrasting the ‘indecisive mother’ and the ‘triumphant Henry’, with the ‘instant obedience…forgiveness and love’ of a ‘firm, solid smack’, Angie appeals to her reader’s common sense, as she depicts the ‘type 1’ and ‘type 2’ disciplines as tearing at the material of society. Further to this, Angie mocks the government using phrases such as ‘they think’, to demonstrate to her readers the irony of their role being to ‘better our relationships and society’. This is used by Angie to arouse anger amongst her readership for the irresponsible actions of the government.

Concluding her letter, Angie questions her readers’ stance by asking a rhetorical question. This is utilised by Angie to put back on her readers the responsibility for implementing the ‘type 3’ discipline. By asking, ‘what type do you want for your society?’ Angie reiterates the idea that the banning of smacking is tearing at the ‘parent-child love, trust and respect’ that form our society.

Thanks in advance for the feedback
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: literally lauren on October 13, 2015, 01:07:36 am
Thought I might weigh in too with a little reminder.

You'll never run out of things to say in Language Analysis. There are always more techniques or implications than are evident in the pieces than you'll be able to find in an hour. Attached is an annotated version of the first comment from Week 4 which contains as much as I could feasibly fit on a single page document.
(Incidentally, you might want to go to >Review>Tracking>Reviewing Pane>Vertical to be able to read this easily; that way you can just click through each comment and it'll match it up with the relevant word or phrase.)

Realistically, you'd never write this much in your actual essay, and I've well and truly gone overboard here since there's over 100 words worth of comments for ~100 words of material :p If this were projected into an 800-1000 word piece like the exam material will be, I'd probably have covered about 30% of the comments I've made here, since the piece itself would have to be structured properly; it's not all just raw, disordered analysis. As always, the examiners are testing your selectivity and ability to find the most important things to comment on efficiently and effectively, but this is just an exercise in unpacking as much as possible from this kind of text, and the Letters to the Editor in this thread are a great place to start.

If you're someone who finds the identification of techniques quote difficult, I can highly recommend this as a practice method to train your brain to recognise smaller details and persuasive constructs. Turn it into a challenge to see just how many comments you can come up with, and you'll gradually force yourself to deal with the less obvious stuff that lies beneath the surface.


& I've also attached some additional feedback for TheAspiringDoc since he's been the most prolific marker on this thread and is totally putting the Class of '15 to shame with his diligence :p

Loving this initiative though, and from week-to-week I'm already noticing improvements in people's writing, which is amazing. Keep up the good work guys - not long to go now!  ;D
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tommyl97 on October 14, 2015, 11:11:31 am
Here is my submission for Week 1. Comments are greatly appreciated.  ;D

PS - To mods, if you're wondering why the same response was submitted under a different account but then deleted; my friend's account was signed in on my laptop without realising.  ::)

Week 1 Response
The lack of disclosure regarding “operational matters” and manipulation carried by politicians has created disunity within the Australian community. Greg Trenton’s opinion piece, “This ordinary bloke has finally had enough” published in The Age, contends in an emphatic tone that politicians should put an end to their secrecy and let “ordinary blokes” like him, know the real truth behind conflicts that occur outside our borders.

The use of “ordinary bloke” sets up the tone for the rest of the letter. He stresses that he is just an average Australian with a “$400k mortgage, two kids in primary school, two at work”. Such statements would encourage fellow citizens to positions themselves with him as he does not enjoy any more privilege or power than his opponents. The establishment of the fact that he does not “give a rats about politics” emphasises that he lacks the motivation to have any concern for the actions of the members of Parliament. Yet he immediately turns this around when he signals that he is sick of the “being taken for an idiot”. This would stir up concurrence by fellow Australians as they would not like to be treated as foolish citizens by “pollies and union leaders” with more “perks” than the rest of the nation.

The imagery illustrated by the recounts of situations from people returning home demonstrates the need for politicians to be held accountable for their “lies and deceit”. The mentioning of the “abuse of kids” and the “rape of their mums” is likely to incite shock and disgust due to the severe maltreatment of these people in detention centres. As many of the readers are probably mums and dads much like Trent, seeing themselves or their own children in the same situation would be extremely horrifying to imagine. Moreover, doctors who have respectable positions within society are labelled as “disaffected liars with a political agenda” coerced into remaining quiet about the issue or otherwise face “two years in jail”. Therefore, this suppression of free-speech and unjust generalisations made upon the behalf of politicians would increasingly positions readers to side themselves with Trent.

Regretting his inaction over all of this throughout his entire life, he invites other people to join him in his cause. Many of his recruits would be “focusing on [their] family” but Trent exclaims that this is the “final straw”. With many acts of terrorism occurring around the world, the nation’s people would be interested in knowing what involvement they have in its dissolution. However, Trent makes it clear that politicians are highly “political” with their answers and refuse to “alert the baddies to their tactics”. Such statements are likely to generate cynicism amongst the readership given Trent’s dismissal of the truth of their words. These feelings are reminiscent of the 9/11 bombings and the war on terror and is clearly linked through his suggestion to “fly a plane into Parliament”. Though, on a serious note he encourages Australians to write to a local member or enlist, just like he is going to.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Burt Macklin on October 16, 2015, 10:43:40 am
WEEK 4 LA:
Spoiler
In a letter to the editor entitled “Shameful introduction”, Lewin contends in an admonishing tone that the state of Melbourne Airport toilets should elicit shame from its employers and the general public. Lewin predominantly employs loaded language and sharp contrasts to persuade Melbournians.

Lewin associates the state of Melbourne Airport toilets with repeated claims that it is “shameful” as the disdainful language targets readers’ affection for Melbourne. By targeting their affection, Lewin appeals to the readers’ sense of justice as he positions them to feel threatened that a negative perception has been created by the incompetence of Melbourne Airport. Moreover, by stating that it is the “first introduction” overseas travellers have of the city and implying that judgement would be passed, Lewin instils in his audience the embarrassing notion that their home would be perceived as abysmal. Thus, by reinforcing this sense of shame in his audience, Lewin compels them to oppose the employers of the Airport who have caused a presumably undeserving perception of what Melbourne is like.

Lewin emphasises the fact that he has “travelled often”, conveying to the reader that his perception of the toilets are not ill-informed, especially given that he has been disgusted “each time” he has been at the airport.  As a result, Lewin confronts his audience with the notion that misconduct has been pervasive as he underlines the negligence of the Airport staff for not rectifying the state of the toilets any time sooner. This notion is further highlighted by Lewin denigrating the airport with the condemnatory “unconscionable behaviour”, implying to the reader that the airport has failed on two accounts due to their neglect of the Airport toilets and their moral failure to acknowledge the task of cleaners who are assumed to be the “lowest paid”. Therefore, Lewin positions readers to abhor Melbourne Airport employers with the belief that injustice has occurred.

Lewis labels the toilets as “Third World standard” as he suggests that is a far cry from the standards of a First World and “rich” country. Thus, Lewin invokes outrage from his readers due to their sense of patriotism being threatened by the notion that the poor sanitation and hygiene implied in “grimy sinks” and “dirty floors” is misrepresentative of a country that is generally clean and “well resourced”.

Feedback for tommyl97:
Spoiler
The lack of disclosure regarding “operational matters” and manipulation carried by politicians has created disunity within the Australian community. Greg Trenton’s opinion pieceletter to the editor (all LA pieces are essentially opinion pieces, so I think it pays to be specific.), “This ordinary bloke has finally had enough” published in The Age, contends in an emphatic tone that politicians should put an end to their secrecy and let “ordinary blokes” like him, know the real truth behind conflicts that occur outside our borders. Nice intro.

The use of “ordinary bloke” sets up the tone What kind of tone?for the rest of the letter. He stresses that he is just an average Australian with a “$400k mortgage, two kids in primary school, two at work”. Such statements would encourage fellow citizens to positions themselves with him as he does not enjoy any more privilege or power than his opponents.Why does he position himself as an "ordinary bloke" and encourage citizens to align themselves with him? The establishment of the fact that he does not “give a rats about politics” emphasises that he lacks the motivation to have any concern for the actions of the members of Parliament. Yet he immediately turns this around when he signals that he is sick of the “being taken for an idiot”. Nice pick up, but why do you think he doesn't give a "rats" about politics and then suddenly is concerned about the lies of politicians ? What effect does this have on his audience when they realise a man who usually is apathetic to politics is compelled to write this letter? This would stir up concurrence by fellow Australians as they would not like to be treated as foolish citizens by “pollies and union leaders” with more “perks” than the rest of the nation.

The imagery illustrated by the recounts of situations from people returning home demonstrates the need for politicians to be held accountable for their “lies and deceit”. The mentioning of the “abuse of kids” and the “rape of their mums” is likely to incite shock and disgust due to the severe maltreatment of these people in detention centres. As many of the readers are probably mums and dads likely parents much like Trent, seeing themselves or their own children in the same situation would be extremely horrifying to imagine. And, therefore, how are they positioned to view the issue?Moreover, doctors who have respectable positions within society are labelled as “disaffected liars with a political agenda” coerced into remaining quiet about the issue or otherwise face “two years in jail”. Therefore, this suppression of free-speech and unjust generalisations made upon the behalf of politicians would increasingly positions readers to side themselves with Trent.Last bit is a bit too general, be more specific about the intended effect on the reader. Link it to how the suppression of free-speech and unjust generalisations are likely to make them feel.

Regretting his inaction over all of this throughout his entire life, he invites other people to join him in his cause.HOW does he invite people to join his cause? Does it have something to do with him saying that he regrets his inaction? Many of his recruits would be “focusing on [their] family” but Trent exclaims that this is the “final straw”. With many acts of terrorism occurring around the world, the nation’s people would be interested in knowing what involvement they have in its dissolution. Relevance? However, Trent makes it clear that politicians are highly “political” with their answers and refuse to “alert the baddies to their tactics”.  Such statements are likely to generate cynicism amongst the readership given Trent’s dismissal of the truth of their words. How is cynicism generated by saying that they would refuse to "alert the baddies?"These feelings are reminiscent of the 9/11 bombings and the war on terror and is clearly linked through his suggestion to “fly a plane into Parliament”.What affect does suggesting they fly a  paper plane into Parliament have on the reader? Why is he suddenly employing humour? Though, on a serious note he encourages Australians to write to a local member or enlist, just like he is going to. How? Cite specific evidence.

Overall, like me, I think you need to work on expanding on the specific intended effect on the reader are more explicitly HOW and WHY by constantly asking questions such as:
- How are the audience persuaded to think/ feel? How is this achieved through language? How are certain key players / issues positioned to the reader?
- Why does the author want them to feel / think this way?

A good effort, nonetheless.  :)

Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 17, 2015, 03:48:58 pm
Week 6 letters

Two on the topic of the recent bushfires, which resulted from a controlled burn (by a government-employed guy) which ... well ... wasn't so controlled.  You can analyse one, or both in comparative, or both separately.  Your choice, brother.

Spoiler
Letter 1
I am not aware of one instance in which a controlled or planned burn has subsequently stopped or slowed the progress of a bushfire. From the present Lancefield disaster back to the fire that devastated Wilsons Promontory, and further back, many controlled/planned burns have become out of control. In addition, the poor air quality in regional areas caused by controlled or fuel-reduction burns seriously affects the health of residents. This ridiculous practice must cease. The only basis for controlled burning is the desire of successive state governments to be seen to be doing something about bushfires.

Authorities need to focus on such things as the prevention of arson, the education of machinery operators, and the use of 21st-century technology to locate fires as soon as possible after they start, so that they may be extinguished quickly. Where, during our bushfire season, are the large jet air tankers used in the US?

John Christiansen, St Kilda

Letter 2: Living in fear and dread
We live at the edge of the Great Dividing Range and lost everything on Black Saturday. With much care, we rebuilt to protect ourselves and our home and we are hyper-vigilant about weather conditions. Why did we bother?

On Tuesday, embers blew in from the Lancefield bushfire, 41kilometres away. Someone had lit a fire on the edge of a forest going into forecast days of extreme heat and strong wind.  This person was not an arsonist but an employee of the Environment Department. How can it have been so irresponsible?

Anyone with a grain of sense can see these forests are already in drought. Moreover, it is ironic that a strategy intended to protect people and assets from fire actually subjects them to that very trauma and loss. We are extremely nervous that one day the Environment Department will earmark our forest for a useless reduction burn and everyone from here to Marysville will re-live that tragic day in 2009.
Bonny Francis, Upper Plenty
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on October 17, 2015, 05:08:49 pm
I know I've been a bit inactive here but since it's all about LAs:

how do you guys cope with the time constraints? My teacher recommends writing it in 50 min but I'm still not finishing them and it ends up taking me 70 mins :s

also I will write the latest piece up tonight, call me out if I forget Heidi plz

(...I forget everything...)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 17, 2015, 07:10:40 pm
how do you guys cope with the time constraints? My teacher recommends writing it in 50 min but I'm still not finishing them and it ends up taking me 70 mins :s

also I will write the latest piece up tonight, call me out if I forget Heidi plz

(...I forget everything...)

Will do Tash ;)

[If I had been writing essays at this point which I wasn't], I had exactly the same problem (took like 70-80 mins on each when practising, and even under exam pressure, I only had 35 mins to give to Context :P).

For you, the way to improve is probably
a) practise
b) cut out techniques/quotes - just decide not to write about them
c) develop a list of sentence formulas and phrases, and reuse till they flow off your pen without thought
d) quit on perfectionism.  Just write something even not quite so good.  If you have an idea, put it down on the page even when it's not quite as good as you'd like.  If you can't start a paragraph, just start it really badly - and come back later.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on October 17, 2015, 08:49:02 pm
Will do Tash ;)

[If I had been writing essays at this point which I wasn't], I had exactly the same problem (took like 70-80 mins on each when practising, and even under exam pressure, I only had 35 mins to give to Context :P).

For you, the way to improve is probably
a) practise
b) cut out techniques/quotes - just decide not to write about them
c) develop a list of sentence formulas and phrases, and reuse till they flow off your pen without thought
d) quit on perfectionism.  Just write something even not quite so good.  If you have an idea, put it down on the page even when it's not quite as good as you'd like.  If you can't start a paragraph, just start it really badly - and come back later.

thanks! I think perfectionism is my biggest issue :s
may I ask, if you weren't writing essays at this point, how did you prepare?!
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on October 17, 2015, 10:13:03 pm
My Week 6 piece:

so I wrote this with the intention of doing a comparative but I sort of forgot and this is what I came up with, but I couldn't really pull anything else out of this anyway


Spoiler
Recent instances of irresponsible controlled burning have sparked concern among members of affected and concerned communities. In his letter to the editor, John Christiansen contends that planned burnings are a ploy for state governments to present a facade of action against bush fires that only increase the risk of such disasters occurring rather than an effective measure of control. Similarly, Upper Plenty resident Bonny Francis argues that the Environment Department’s back burning measures are “irresponsible” and only exacerbate the issue.

Christiansen begins with his admission that he has never witnessed an instance where controlled burning has “stopped or slowed the progress” of a bushfire. This creates an immediate feeling of scorn directed at the Environment Department and other responsible parties among his readership who are presumably victims or bush fires whilst presenting the argument that controlled burning is useless which pervades his letter. Francis employs a similar approach in her letter, branding fuel-reduction burns as “useless”. Christiansen continues to highlight the perceived disadvantages of planned burning by alerting readers of the “poor air quality” it causes in regional areas that “seriously affects the health” of residents. Through this statement, Christiansen seeks to create a sense of alarm whilst asserting that the actions of the Environment Department are detrimental to their health and therefore cannot be of benefit to anyone. In suggesting that authorities need to “preven[t] arson” and focus on “education of machinery”, Christiansen presents a solution for bush fire prevention. He advocates for “21st century technology” to be employed to save lives, which appeals to readers’ own desires to stay up to date that should be reflected through fire authorities’ methodology. Christiansen concludes by stating that Australian services are not using the “large jet tankers” of the US. This acts to elicit concern in readers who will view Australian Environmental Services as out of date and therefore ineffective.

In contrast to Christiansen, Francis adopts an anecdotal and inclusive approach to persuade her target audience. She begins by stating that “we rebuilt to protect ourselves” and that “we are hyper-vigilant” about weather conditions. The words “protect ourselves” and “hyper-vigilant” connote negative feelings towards environmental authorities as they imply that they have failed to keep her community safe whilst evoking a sense of collective hardship resulting from “useless reduction burn”. This is further supported by her description of not an “arsonist… but an employee of the Environment Department” causing embers from a nearby bushfire to land in her town. She speaks on behalf of her township to create a sense of fear in saying that “we are extremely nervous” that the Environment Department will re-create that “tragic [Black Saturday] in 2009”.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 23, 2015, 06:32:43 pm
Sorry for not being round here much, badly timed a whole heap of extra shifts and other commitments just round exam time so I don't even have enough seconds to check AN let alone help out :((((((((((
plus I seriously believe the dementia of all my patients is rubbing off on me

thanks! I think perfectionism is my biggest issue :s
may I ask, if you weren't writing essays at this point, how did you prepare?!

Whoops, sorry for not answering.  I'm not saying you shouldn't write essays (that would be like the worst advice ever given on this forum), but that I didn't because I totally gave up on them like 6 weeks before the exam.  Instead, I analysed my texts, planned for prompts, annotated articles for LA, etc.

Here's feedback for your piece, too, tashhhaaa!

Spoiler
Recent instances of irresponsible controlled burning have sparked concern among members of affected and concerned communities. nice start :) In his letter to the editor, John Christiansen contends that planned burnings are a ploy for state governments to present a facade of action against bush fires that only increase the risk of such disasters occurring rather than an effective measure of control really nicely written (I like the simple clear start of 'in his ___, author contends....'), but you've tried to cram a bit too much into your contention so the sentence is a bit roundabout - either cut out bits or split in two. Similarly, Upper Plenty resident Bonny Francis argues that the Environment Department’s back burning measures are “irresponsible” and only exacerbate the issue. again, nice sentence - but does it fully embody the message of her piece?  She's much more 'alarmist' and emotional - she doesn't just logically explain that it exacerbates the issue, she tries to get us stressed as about it!
Really nicely written intro - short, to the point, clear, well-expressed, and covers what you need to cover.  No dramas, you've got this down pat!

Christiansen begins with his admission that he has never witnessed an instance where controlled burning has “stopped or slowed the progress” of a bushfire. this quote feels like it's put here 'just coz' - you could've picked out more powerful quotes that you can specifically analyse (e.g. 'I am not aware of one instance' - super forceful, right? like, there's not even ONE CASE on EARTH that's been successful guys!! - it's not an 'admission' it's a forceful/frustrated statement).  Quotes aren't there just to fill out your writing, instead they're supposed to provide one little 1-4 word piece of language that you can analyse and focus on how those particular words/language make us feel This creates an immediate feeling of scorn good :) directed at the Environment Department and other responsible parties among his readership who are presumably victims or bush fires whilst presenting the argument that controlled burning is useless which pervades his letter. Francis employs a similar approach in her letter, branding fuel-reduction burns as “useless” impact? how does this word/argument make us feel?. Christiansen continues to highlight the perceived disadvantages of planned burning by alerting readers of the “poor air quality” it causes in regional areas that “seriously affects the health” of residents. Through this statement, Christiansen seeks to create a sense of alarm whilst asserting that the actions of the Environment Department are detrimental to their health and therefore cannot be of benefit to anyone. In suggesting that authorities need to “preven[t] arson” and focus on “education of machinery”, Christiansen presents a solution for bush fire prevention. He advocates for “21st century technology” to be employed to save lives, which appeals to readers’ own desires to stay up to date good :) that should be reflected through fire authorities’ methodology. Christiansen concludes by stating that Australian services are not using the “large jet tankers” of the US. This acts to elicit concern in readers who will view Australian Environmental Services as out of date and therefore ineffective.

In contrast to Christiansen, Francis adopts an anecdotal and inclusive approach to persuade her target audience. She begins by stating that “we rebuilt to protect ourselves” and that “we are hyper-vigilant” about weather conditions. The words “protect ourselves” and “hyper-vigilant” connote negative feelings towards environmental authorities as they imply that they have failed to keep her community safe how do those particular words imply this? and can you be specific about what negative feelings you're talking about? *** whilst evoking a sense of collective hardship resulting from “useless reduction burn” (start new sentence at red asterisks - always give yourself a bit more space to analyse things; you have all the room in the world!  It's tempting to try cramming too much into one sentence, but always breathe and feel free to spread over 2-3 sentences on one quote. This is further supported by her description of not an “arsonist… but an employee of the Environment Department” causing embers from a nearby bushfire to land in her town. so why does she use this language?  Is that quote particularly strong/emotive/persuasive? She speaks on behalf of her township to create a sense of fear in saying that “we are extremely nervous” that the Environment Department will re-create that “tragic [Black Saturday] in 2009”. I feel that the letter is actually more emotional and stressed-out than this...


The biggest thing is perhaps picking out cooler quotes so you can analyse how the language and tone makes us feel - examples: Anyone with a grain of sense, trauma and loss, relive that tragic day, how can it have been so irresponsible, devastated, this ridiculous practice [/b]must[/b] cease, I am not aware of one instance, etc.  You don't wanna dump in random quotes for the sake of it - instead, think, what words are the most powerful and impacting, let's discuss THEM and how exactly that choice of words impacts me!

Also just more analysis and a bit less description of what the author is doing - for example:
She speaks on behalf of her township to create a sense of fear in saying that “we are extremely nervous” that the Environment Department will re-create that “tragic [Black Saturday] in 2009”.
Green = description of what she says or does
Red = analysis of impact
You want more RED all throughout!  A good exercise could be going through your past essays/work yourself and highlighting any analysis - the more highlights you have in a paragraph the better!  Keep working for more and more highlighted chunks in your essay :)
(e.g. rather than just quoting 'that tragic day in 2009', you could analyse the impact of the word 'tragic', etc.  I want you to be picking out the most powerful things and analysing the hell out of them, which mainly means grab 1-2 words like 'tragic' or 'ridiculous' and think how it makes us feel.)

But anyways, this is a really good piece, don't feel any stress about it!  Just keep working on more analysis, more analysis, more analysis.  Pull out specific powerful quotes and think about how EXACTLY they make us feel! :) And you will kill this :D

This whole feedback is poorly explained (I also pressed backspace in my browser and lost it first time round :() because I'm just dead tired from work.

And... I'm also too rushed to find a vaguely half-decent letter so here are the two first letters I found for WEEK 7 (two options because I have barely read them yet, so pick the one you like better :P)

Spoiler
It's heartening to see governments responding compassionately by moving to legalise medicinal marijuana. One reason is the realisation that those in need will source the drug anyway. Clearly it is preferable for governments to control supply than for citizens to take matters into their own hands. The same argument applies to medically assisted dying, also a means of relieving suffering yet seemingly a bridge too far for most politicians. Similarly, citizens who seek to avoid suffering will continue to hasten their own deaths without waiting for permission. But those deaths will occur by less suitable means, causing trauma to families and to those who find their bodies. Our politicians need to find the courage to act decisively in the matter of voluntary assisted deaths, and to show the same compassion that is evidenced with medical marijuana.

Bob Thomas, Blackburn South

Spoiler
Wean governments off the revenue

Jonathan Holmes highlights the pitiful situation that poker machines have created in this country. The ABC's program Ka-Ching Pokie Nation revealed the worst as far as problem gamblers and their families are concerned. Many hundreds of thousands of people are directly and indirectly affected in this way. The onus is on the gambler to be responsible for the product that makes people addicted in the first place. The bells, sounds, music etc are all there to suck people in to this legalised and government-endorsed "theft". Granted, more than 180,000 people are employed in pubs, clubs, casinos and other places with gambling facilities. Good for those people with jobs, but at what cost? Revenue-shifting at its best. The state governments "love" the tax revenue. The losses with pokies in clubs, pubs and casinos amount to $12billion. But governments really give out only a pittance to combat problem gambling. We need political action on this issue. We need to drastically cut poker machine numbers, reduce problem gamblers and losses and wean governments off the revenue. Politicians in the past may have failed but we should not give up fighting against powerful and entrenched interests and show how greedy and manipulative these interests really are.

Peter Allan, Blackburn

If you write a piece, anyone, I will give feedback on it on Monday morning - I'd really encourage you guys to keep writing and not give up on your last leg!
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Mc47 on October 23, 2015, 06:33:17 pm
That extensive annotations thing is incredibly helpful. Thanks a lot!
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: tashhhaaa on October 23, 2015, 07:13:09 pm
Sorry for not being round here much, badly timed a whole heap of extra shifts and other commitments just round exam time so I don't even have enough seconds to check AN let alone help out :((((((((((
plus I seriously believe the dementia of all my patients is rubbing off on me

Whoops, sorry for not answering.  I'm not saying you shouldn't write essays (that would be like the worst advice ever given on this forum), but that I didn't because I totally gave up on them like 6 weeks before the exam.  Instead, I analysed my texts, planned for prompts, annotated articles for LA, etc.

Here's feedback for your piece, too, tashhhaaa!

thank you! if you can, (focus on work/sleep/fun and take a break first!) what do you think that deserves out of 10? My teacher keeps giving me 7s for everything and I'm absolutely terrified
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: elysian on October 24, 2015, 11:26:47 am
Here is letter 6.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: 99.90 pls on October 25, 2015, 05:29:04 pm
Week 7 (Pokie machine letter) - I only got back into LA a few days ago after a six-month hiatus so feedback would be really appreciated! Thanks :)

Spoiler
Inspired by the ABC’s recent program ‘Ka-Ching Pokie Nation’, Peter Allan of Blackburn has written a letter to the editor which contends, in an fervent, abhorred tone, that greater political action must be taken to denounce and sanction the gambling industry, and that current measures are insufficient. He targets the entire Victorian demographic in hopes of generating grassroots support for the “[combatting]” of “problem gambling”.

Allan titles his letter “Wean governments off the revenue”, likening “revenue” to a narcotic to be “[weaned]” off. Thus, he implies that “governments” are addicted to a notion which may provide temporary relief but will ultimately result in grave harm. “Wean” also links in with the addictive nature of “poker machines”, suggesting that the “governments” too have become gambling addicts. The superfluous “many” in “many hundreds of thousands” exacerbates the magnitude of the “problem” immensely, as three consecutive multiplicative quantifiers (“many hundreds… thousands”) evoke the image of unbridled exponential growth. The repeated and emphatic use of the conjunction “and” in “gamblers and their families”, “directly and indirectly” imply that the issue has become ubiquitous, and that it is spreading like a plague in that one party being afflicted will directly result in another related party also being affected.

The circular logic of “[the] onus is on the gambler…” highlights the irrationality of the “pitiful situation”, in conjunction with the oxymoronic irony of “government-endorsed theft”, as the enforcers who are supposed to prevent theft are now partaking in it. This also evokes a sense of lawlessness and moral decadence, which is supported by the scathing accusations of “greedy and manipulative” interests.

Finally, the anaphora of the inclusive “we” in “We need political action… We need to… reduce problem gamblers… We should not give up…” angles the reader alongside Allan and creates a dichotomy between the government and its sinister “entrenched interests” versus the noble action which he emphatically invites readers to take.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 26, 2015, 09:31:23 am
thank you! if you can, (focus on work/sleep/fun and take a break first!) what do you think that deserves out of 10? My teacher keeps giving me 7s for everything and I'm absolutely terrified

Agreed, it’s not as good as the other sections of your writing I’ve marked (you were right and tight with those).  But you definitely shouldn't be terrified!  Just keep working on getting SPECIFIC quotes and focusing on how SPECIFICALLY they impact us, and explaining every step of the way; just a bit more practise should get you a long way.  You've got a solid good ability, just need some more fine tuning and you'll be right!!

(and sorry, I never give marks, I don't have a CLUE what equals what marks)

Feedback on elysian’s week 6 piece

Spoiler
The introduction of controlled or planned burning has left many communities that have recently experienced bushfires in disbelief since your first sentence is your first impression on the examiner, I’d try to make sure it’s accurate – for instance, this isn’t about controlled burning being ‘introduced’ (I think the letters make it clear enough that it’s a long-term thing? If not, sorry for not giving the background clearly enough!), and I wouldn’t say it’s left people in ‘disbelief’; more they’re annoyed, frustrated, scared.  But this is a minor quibble, don’t stress :). In his letter to editorial, John Christiansen contends that the Government should focus on preventing bushfires instead of controlled or planned burning as controlled burning is not only useless but destructive. Similarly, Bony Francis agrees that reduction burning does not make a difference to the prevention of bushfires. I don’t think is quite what she’s arguing – isn’t she more focusing on how they could actually START a new fire?  Go through it chunk by chunk and you’ll see that she’s more trying to present them as scary and dangerous and traumatic and destructive and unfair - trying to arouse fear and horror and outrage and all that jazz.

Beginning by stating that controlled or planned burning has not ‘stopped or slowed down the progress of a bushfire’; the author suggests that the burning does not prevent bushfires in any way leaving readers to feel outrage for the continuation of it. Referencing to the Lancefield bushfire, readers are positioned to condemn the use of bushfires controlled burning (tiny, but try to be accurate!) as they may be able to get ‘out of control’ creating a potential risk to the community good start, but you could expand or explain the steps a bit more; the steps in your analysis are currently quote (‘out of control’) --> creates potential risk --> positions readers to condemn planned burns.  Now I want you to put in an extra ‘step’ between the second and third – how does the fact that it creates a risk make readers condemn it?  Do they feel fear, insecurity, danger, etc. – and how does that lead to them condemning these burns?  You want to avoid jumping between a quote and the overall contention in 1-2 leaps – it feels super obvious, but you have to explain every step of the journey.  Picture your examiner as a 5-year-old who needs you to explain everything or they won’t get it!  Hold their hand and step them along with baby steps, and they'll reward you with a 10 instead of a 7 ;). Christiansen ensure the audience support in ceasing the practice as he attacks the Government who only seem to be implementing the burning so they are seen as being productive same thing again: you say ‘he attacks the government --> thus audience support his point of view’; but that leaves a big gap!  HOW does attacking the government make the audience agree?  Show me all the links in your reasoning or I won’t believe you ;) The rhetorical question ‘ Where during our bushfire season, are the large jet tankers used in the US’ suggests that the Government is not doing enough to stop bushfires leaving readers to feel outraged for the lack of action by the Government this is much better, very good! :) You explain in more detail and it all makes super logical sense.  Keep it up!

In a similar manner, Francis criticises the Government for the continued use of controlled burning. Readers are left to feel as they cannot trust the Government as the Lancefield fire was caused by a member of the Environment Department and not an arsonist. The phrase ‘grain of sense’ great quote choice :) implies to readers that the Government are ignorant as they cannot see that planned burning is doing more harm than good so what’s the point of presenting the government as ignorant? How does this make them agree with the author’s overall contention?.  Readers are positioned to sympathise with those who survived Black Friday  as the writer mentions that many are still ‘hyper-vigilant about weather conditions’ again, just a little bit more gap-filling could be great – how does the people being ‘hypervigilant’ make us feel more sympathy?  Think about how it makes them look responsible, careful, like they’re acting, etc. – so we can’t blame it on them, and we also feel like they are working hard and doing their best so they really deserve other people to support them and we feel more sorry for them when they get hurt, than if they were just lazy good-for-nothings who expected everyone else to do their work.
Oh, and.  Just a reminder that short quotes (e.g. just the word 'hyper-vigilant' or 'tragic' or 'grain of sense') are easier to analyse than longer sentences, because you can focus on how just one thing influences us without getting bogged down in trying to deal with a whole sentence.  This lets you go into how each word makes the readers FEEL (scared or outraged or stupid or...). The repetition of ‘ we’ suggests that people who lived in areas that were affected by Black Saturday will be forced to replay the tragic events of the day.  avoid analysing ‘we’ unless it’s SUPER key to the argument.  Instead maybe try analysing the word ‘tragic’ or something

Although the two pieces present similar views, they take different approaches to presenting their argument. I'd just dive in with 'Overall, while Francis employs..., Christiansen...' Frances employs a more personal approach with the use of anecdotes GREAT that you're thinking about their slightly different approaches - with a clearer understanding of the contention of each you could make this even better! while Christiansen attacks the Government for not taking bushfires more seriously.

OVERALL: good and solid, you clearly know what you're doing :)  You pick out key quotes, and analyse what the author is doing and why :) But to improve:

1.  Make your contentions more specific and accurate  Try to check exactly what they're arguing and what they're saying.  Just imagine you were explaining what it was about to your friend ('yeah, I was reading this cool article about controlled burning lately, you should so read it!! 8)' :P).  Explain in your head step-by-step what it's about and what it's saying, and you'll find it easier to tell exactly what the contention is.  Half the state will just say the author is arguing that 'controlled burning is bad' - you want to stand out by actually going deep in to what the author is actually saying, like 'controlled burning is super-dangerous and is going to wipe us all out though we're working so hard and it's not fair and wahhh and everyone get scared!'

2.  Explain every step of the way.  Even when it seems ridiculously obvious.  When you state 'X causes Y' (X is a quote and Y is an impact), think about and explain HOW X caused Y.

3.  Focus on how their words and language impact us.  To find quotes, maybe skim-read a paragraph and see if there are any individual words or really short phrases that 'jump out' to you as powerful, like 'relive that tragic day' (esp 'tragic'), 'how can it have been so irresponsible (esp 'so irresponsible'), 'trauma and loss', 'this ridiculous practice must cease', (esp 'ridiculous'), 'disaster', 'devastated'.... and so on.  Then, with each, think about why it's powerful.  How does it make you feel?  What emotions does it stir?  Anger?  Fear?  Scorn?  Why does that word make you feel like that? &c.

Feedback on 99.90pls’s week 7 piece

Spoiler
Inspired by the ABC’s recent program ‘Ka-Ching Pokie Nation’, Peter Allan of Blackburn has written a letter to the editor which contends, in an fervent, abhorred tone, that greater political action must be taken to denounce and sanction word choice? Sanction = approve or give permission. EDIT: looked it up, turns out the word has two opposite meanings and I only knew one… UGH MY IGNORANCE :-[ the gambling industry, and that current measures are insufficient. He targets the entire Victorian demographic in hopes of generating grassroots support for the “[combatting]” of “problem gambling”. basically flawless intro, I'd just mention the government since a lot of it is about attacking them and their interests in gambling

Allan titles his letter “Wean governments off the revenue”, likening “revenue” don’t need to put this in quotes to a narcotic to be “[weaned]” off. Thus, he implies that “governments” are addicted to a notion which may provide temporary relief but will ultimately result in grave harm awesome! Seriously, this is like the best sentence I’ve read in marking essays all year.. “Wean” also links in with the addictive nature of “poker machines”, suggesting that the “governments” too have become gambling addicts given time restraints, you’re probably going on too long about one word – I’d cut this sentence because you killed that word last sentence already; expand on the impact of that rather than adding a new point.  Anyways, now can you just draw it a bit further to the reader?  You’re using words like ‘implies’ and ‘suggests’, which are great, but they’re about what the AUTHOR is doing rather than the focus on the READER.  So now, if we see the govt as addicted.  How does that make us FEEL and THINK about them?  You could either start a new sentence and expand (e.g. ‘Hence, the reader may feel/view the government as…’), or ‘cheat’ by swapping ‘suggesting’ with ‘encouraging the reader to feel’… The superfluous “many” in “many hundreds of thousands” exacerbates the magnitude of the “problem” again, I wouldn’t “quote” so much as you’re doing because it looks messy and takes the focus away from the quotes that you’re actually analysing, like ‘wean’ or ‘many’ immensely, as three consecutive multiplicative quantifiers curious, can you come up with words like this under exam conditions!? I sincerely hope not, for everyone else’s sake ;) (“many hundreds… thousands”) evoke the image of unbridled exponential growth. The repeated and emphatic use of the conjunction “and” in “gamblers and their families”, “directly and indirectly” imply that the issue has become ubiquitous, and that it is spreading like a plague in that one party being afflicted will directly result in another related party also being affected. If you could pull this stuff in the exam, you’d be 10ing it for sure.  Awesome stuff.  All the more awesome because it’s unusual and no one else will think of it.  Now take it that step further – if we see that the issue is ubiquitous and spreading, how does that make us feel?  Scared?  Worried?  Annoyed? (all that stuff, I’ll leave it to you to clothe in fancy language :P)

The circular logic of “[the] onus is on the gambler…” highlights the irrationality of the “pitiful situation”, in conjunction with the oxymoronic irony of “government-endorsed theft”, as the enforcers who are supposed to prevent theft are now partaking in it. This also evokes a sense of lawlessness and moral decadence, which is supported by the scathing accusations of “greedy and manipulative” interests. Same thing – spotlessly perfect analysis except that you could focus on the reader’s response more – they’ll see it as irrational and thus condemn the idea, or they feel it’s lawless and morally decadent and thus it makes them feel ____ about the government [ugh all my ideas feel idiotic next to your flawless prose]

Finally, the anaphora of the inclusive “we” in “We need political action… We need to… reduce problem gamblers… We should not give up…” angles the reader alongside Allan and creates a dichotomy between the government and its sinister “entrenched interests” versus the noble action which he emphatically invites readers to take. another minor point – you could try to split up sentences a bit shorter.  I know the temptation to fit everything into one sentence, but you have a bit more room to ‘move’ if you can split it up with ‘This/It also…’ or ‘Furthermore…’.  When you try to cram everything into one sentence, it gets tricky trying to keep it all clear and easy to navigate.

Imagining that LA has three steps -
1. Quote and/or technique (WHAT the author is doing)
2. The immediate impact of this (i.e. what it suggests, presents or implies)
3. How this makes the reader feel and think and want to do
- you are utterly, impossibly killing steps 1 and 2.

But to make 1000% sure that you kill the 10, focus on step 3.  How does each and every quote you mention make the reader feel or think about the issue?  What emotions does it raise?  How does it make them view the people or things involved?

Brother.  Work on step 3 and make sure you can reproduce this in the exam, and the examiners will be disappointed there’s no such thing as an 11/10.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: 99.90 pls on October 26, 2015, 10:51:06 am
Feedback on 99.90pls’s week 7 piece

Spoiler
Inspired by the ABC’s recent program ‘Ka-Ching Pokie Nation’, Peter Allan of Blackburn has written a letter to the editor which contends, in an fervent, abhorred tone, that greater political action must be taken to denounce and sanction word choice? Sanction = approve or give permission. EDIT: looked it up, turns out the word has two opposite meanings and I only knew one… UGH MY IGNORANCE :-[ the gambling industry, and that current measures are insufficient. He targets the entire Victorian demographic in hopes of generating grassroots support for the “[combatting]” of “problem gambling”. basically flawless intro, I'd just mention the government since a lot of it is about attacking them and their interests in gambling

Allan titles his letter “Wean governments off the revenue”, likening “revenue” don’t need to put this in quotes to a narcotic to be “[weaned]” off. Thus, he implies that “governments” are addicted to a notion which may provide temporary relief but will ultimately result in grave harm awesome! Seriously, this is like the best sentence I’ve read in marking essays all year.. “Wean” also links in with the addictive nature of “poker machines”, suggesting that the “governments” too have become gambling addicts given time restraints, you’re probably going on too long about one word – I’d cut this sentence because you killed that word last sentence already; expand on the impact of that rather than adding a new point.  Anyways, now can you just draw it a bit further to the reader?  You’re using words like ‘implies’ and ‘suggests’, which are great, but they’re about what the AUTHOR is doing rather than the focus on the READER.  So now, if we see the govt as addicted.  How does that make us FEEL and THINK about them?  You could either start a new sentence and expand (e.g. ‘Hence, the reader may feel/view the government as…’), or ‘cheat’ by swapping ‘suggesting’ with ‘encouraging the reader to feel’… The superfluous “many” in “many hundreds of thousands” exacerbates the magnitude of the “problem” again, I wouldn’t “quote” so much as you’re doing because it looks messy and takes the focus away from the quotes that you’re actually analysing, like ‘wean’ or ‘many’ immensely, as three consecutive multiplicative quantifiers curious, can you come up with words like this under exam conditions!? I sincerely hope not, for everyone else’s sake ;) (“many hundreds… thousands”) evoke the image of unbridled exponential growth. The repeated and emphatic use of the conjunction “and” in “gamblers and their families”, “directly and indirectly” imply that the issue has become ubiquitous, and that it is spreading like a plague in that one party being afflicted will directly result in another related party also being affected. If you could pull this stuff in the exam, you’d be 10ing it for sure.  Awesome stuff.  All the more awesome because it’s unusual and no one else will think of it.  Now take it that step further – if we see that the issue is ubiquitous and spreading, how does that make us feel?  Scared?  Worried?  Annoyed? (all that stuff, I’ll leave it to you to clothe in fancy language :P)

The circular logic of “[the] onus is on the gambler…” highlights the irrationality of the “pitiful situation”, in conjunction with the oxymoronic irony of “government-endorsed theft”, as the enforcers who are supposed to prevent theft are now partaking in it. This also evokes a sense of lawlessness and moral decadence, which is supported by the scathing accusations of “greedy and manipulative” interests. Same thing – spotlessly perfect analysis except that you could focus on the reader’s response more – they’ll see it as irrational and thus condemn the idea, or they feel it’s lawless and morally decadent and thus it makes them feel ____ about the government [ugh all my ideas feel idiotic next to your flawless prose]

Finally, the anaphora of the inclusive “we” in “We need political action… We need to… reduce problem gamblers… We should not give up…” angles the reader alongside Allan and creates a dichotomy between the government and its sinister “entrenched interests” versus the noble action which he emphatically invites readers to take. another minor point – you could try to split up sentences a bit shorter.  I know the temptation to fit everything into one sentence, but you have a bit more room to ‘move’ if you can split it up with ‘This/It also…’ or ‘Furthermore…’.  When you try to cram everything into one sentence, it gets tricky trying to keep it all clear and easy to navigate.

Imagining that LA has three steps -
1. Quote and/or technique (WHAT the author is doing)
2. The immediate impact of this (i.e. what it suggests, presents or implies)
3. How this makes the reader feel and think and want to do
- you are utterly, impossibly killing steps 1 and 2.

But to make 1000% sure that you kill the 10, focus on step 3.  How does each and every quote you mention make the reader feel or think about the issue?  What emotions does it raise?  How does it make them view the people or things involved?

Brother.  Work on step 3 and make sure you can reproduce this in the exam, and the examiners will be disappointed there’s no such thing as an 11/10.

Thank you so much, bangali_kok! This is really helpful and I'm going to incorporate all your feedback into my practice :)

And as for what conditions I did this under, I gave myself 10 minutes reading and 30 minutes writing (on pen and paper), so it was pretty generous haha

Note to self:
*How does it make the reader FEEL or PERCEIVE? (technique -> implication -> reader)
*Stop quoting unnecessarily unless you're going to analyse it!
*Don't labour a point for too long
*Watch sentence length so that it doesn't spiral out of control
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on October 26, 2015, 11:03:20 am
*How does it make the reader FEEL or PERCEIVE? (technique -> implication -> reader)
*Stop quoting unnecessarily unless you're going to analyse it!
*Don't labour a point for too long
*Watch sentence length so that it doesn't spiral out of control

Yep, basically a perfect (and more clearly expressed) summary of my feedback :)
...wish everyone receiving feedback did that... ::) hint hint guys
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Apink! on November 15, 2015, 05:01:42 pm
hey bangali_lok
can we revive this for class of 2016?
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on November 23, 2015, 08:06:46 pm
hey bangali_lok
can we revive this for class of 2016?

Hey... sorry for missing this!  Absolutely we can!

First, I really need feedback!  If anyone who participated/watched is still hanging round, any ideas for making it better (greater accountability? different letters? how often it's posted? turn it into a competition? etc.) will be absolutely unbelievably welcomed.

Second, I'm not sure how much to do this.  Like if I do it every week of the year, people won't really join in at all - maybe if I did it over these holidays and into the start of the term (coz LA is generally the 1st/2nd SAC), then like monthly from then on, then weekly again in the 2 months before the exam?  Opinions?

Input would be AWESOME!!

P.S. Results From 2015's Mad LA Struggle!
Spreadsheet here.   ... though since numbers and English don't meld, the probability that I achieved 1+1=3 is about 1.5 no wait, probability is on a scale from 0 to 1  Looks like Burt Macklin and AspiringDoc are vying for first place... time for you two to check up on my arithmetic and then fight over the below prize via PM.

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Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on November 23, 2015, 09:17:27 pm
Hey... sorry for missing this!  Absolutely we can!

First, I really need feedback!  If anyone who participated/watched is still hanging round, any ideas for making it better (greater accountability? different letters? how often it's posted? turn it into a competition? etc.) will be absolutely unbelievably welcomed.

Second, I'm not sure how much to do this.  Like if I do it every week of the year, people won't really join in at all - maybe if I did it over these holidays and into the start of the term (coz LA is generally the 1st/2nd SAC), then like monthly from then on, then weekly again in the 2 months before the exam?  Opinions?

Input would be AWESOME!!

P.S. Results From 2015's Mad LA Struggle!
Spreadsheet here.   ... though since numbers and English don't meld, the probability that I achieved 1+1=3 is about 1.5 no wait, probability is on a scale from 0 to 1  Looks like Burt Macklin and AspiringDoc are vying for first place... time for you two to check up on my arithmetic and then fight over the below prize via PM.

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(An Amateurish AKA Awful Attempt At ASCII Art)
Thanks for the initiative Bangali!
Just throwing ideas around, but perhaps you could try something shorter then on the weekly basis, such as uploading just a single sentence, and we all just discuss the persuasive techniques etc. in that?
And then maybe also an LA once a month or something?
Thanks again!!  :D
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: Coffee on November 23, 2015, 10:06:12 pm
Hey... sorry for missing this!  Absolutely we can!

First, I really need feedback!  If anyone who participated/watched is still hanging round, any ideas for making it better (greater accountability? different letters? how often it's posted? turn it into a competition? etc.) will be absolutely unbelievably welcomed.

Second, I'm not sure how much to do this.  Like if I do it every week of the year, people won't really join in at all - maybe if I did it over these holidays and into the start of the term (coz LA is generally the 1st/2nd SAC), then like monthly from then on, then weekly again in the 2 months before the exam?  Opinions?

Input would be AWESOME!!

P.S. Results From 2015's Mad LA Struggle!
Spreadsheet here.   ... though since numbers and English don't meld, the probability that I achieved 1+1=3 is about 1.5 no wait, probability is on a scale from 0 to 1  Looks like Burt Macklin and AspiringDoc are vying for first place... time for you two to check up on my arithmetic and then fight over the below prize via PM.

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(An Amateurish AKA Awful Attempt At ASCII Art)
Throwing around some ideas here :)...

Might be good to include some image analysis as well as a few comparative tasks here and there. For the weekly tasks we could probably keep it to opinion pieces and maybe an image every now and then? Still keeping it short though. In the monthly ones longer pieces would be good including comparatives, image analysis and different formats (speech, webpage/blog, etc).
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: michael leahcim on January 19, 2016, 05:31:19 pm
Throwing around some ideas here :)...

Might be good to include some image analysis as well as a few comparative tasks here and there. For the weekly tasks we could probably keep it to opinion pieces and maybe an image every now and then? Still keeping it short though. In the monthly ones longer pieces would be good including comparatives, image analysis and different formats (speech, webpage/blog, etc).

I like that idea. I'll join in, and hopefully contribute if there need be an extra hand, because this might actually help people like me who are hitting strong into struggle town with Language analysis! I'd like to see a response to this from one of the admin or bangali for that matter :)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: literally lauren on January 19, 2016, 05:42:02 pm
Don't worry, there are plans in the works.

For further information, consult bangali's new avatar/profile image ;D

Input is still welcome if you guys have any suggestions though, so feel free to post them here or PM bangali me if you don't want to be eaten.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on January 20, 2016, 11:19:10 pm
Given that Lauren has hopped on board, this year's LA club will hopefully be a whopper.  Get excited ;D

Your first task is to suggest an awesome official name for it.  Suggestions, everyone?
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: qazser on January 20, 2016, 11:43:35 pm
Given that Lauren has hopped on board, this year's LA club will hopefully be a whopper.  Get excited ;D

Your first task is to suggest an awesome official name for it.  Suggestions, everyone?

Damm no Bangali-esque articles!

Name:Only 500 Words
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: michael leahcim on January 21, 2016, 09:13:41 am
Name: The Not-another-Andrew-Bolt-article language corner (TABLC)

Name: Pooh's syntactical acrobatics corner (PSAC)

Name: Language Analysis repair shop  (LARS)

Name: Eat my shorts: The rebellion against Written Language (EMS)

Name: I can't think of any more bad titles: accepting mediocrity the finale (*tears)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on January 21, 2016, 10:24:13 am
The LARS was my favourite, Michael :P
And we are totally not doing Andrew Bolt.  Just not.

Qaszer, the way you keep obsessing about my writing length shows you have never read the writing of:
1) Lauren
2) Pi
3) Joseph
(Especially #1.)

I was being serious about asking for title-help though :'(
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: qazser on January 21, 2016, 10:35:01 am
The LARS was my favourite, Michael :P
And we are totally not doing Andrew Bolt.  Just not.

Qaszer, the way you keep obsessing about my writing length shows you have never read the writing of:
1) Lauren
2) Pi
3) Joseph
(Especially #1.)

I was being serious about asking for title-help though :'(

Still can't upvote this ahha. Lauren and Pi certainly do go overboard
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: literally lauren on January 21, 2016, 11:06:32 am
Name: The Not-another-Andrew-Bolt-article language corner (TABLC)
I love this. Especially because I was genuinely planning on giving you guys an Andrew Bolt or similarly infuriatingly misinformed piece to test your skills and patience.

There definitely needs to be a cool acronym, guys. In fact, you can come up with the acronym, and we can retroactively decide what the letters stand for. If not, some default 'AN LA Club' will do.

LARS is really good though, I like them connotations of betterment and collective progress :)

Also
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Damm no Bangali-esque articles!
We're still ironing out details, but the bangali-ness and lauren-ness of the material might shift from week to week. But I promise to torment you with difficultly levels approaching those of the AN prac exams. You're very welcome, everybody.

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1) Lauren
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Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on January 21, 2016, 10:23:59 pm
Huddle round, I'm letting you into a secret.  Keep it down to whispers.

We now have an official name and acronym: The BALLARAT Club (have a crack at deciphering the acronym).  Don't ask me why.  Maybe because Lauren is rural, she thinks all the best people and things must be rural too... and such is the powerplay going on round here, I just have to knuckle under.

...I was allowed to let out this much, Lauren... wasn't I?  pls don't fight me, I'm scared
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: literally lauren on January 22, 2016, 11:44:31 am
We now have an official name and acronym: The BALLARAT Club (have a crack at deciphering the acronym).
Two of the A's stand for 'and.' The first five letters will probably be easy, but I will give brownie points to creative answers. Also if someone posts a guess that is better than our current working title, we shall claim it as our own. The 'T' does not stand for trademark - I will shamelessly plagarise so help me.

Don't ask me why.  Maybe because Lauren is rural, she thinks all the best people and things must be rural too... and such is the powerplay going on round here, I just have to knuckle under.
...I was allowed to let out this much, Lauren... wasn't I?  pls don't fight me, I'm scared
Fight me.
1v1 in Photoshop
(http://i.imgur.com/dXpmM0Z.jpg)

that totally wasn't done in about five minutes of Paint. Nope.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: natdogg on January 22, 2016, 11:57:40 am
The Bangali And Lauren Language Analysis Repair And Titillate Club!
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: literally lauren on January 22, 2016, 12:05:44 pm
The Bangali And Lauren Language Analysis Repair And Titillate Club!
That's actually really close :P but veered off pretty wildly at the end there...

Told you the first five were easy ;)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on January 22, 2016, 05:34:50 pm
Two of the A's stand for 'and.'

Wait.  Are you talking about the same title as me? O.o
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: thaaanyan on January 22, 2016, 11:09:24 pm
The Bangali And Lauren Language Analysis Repair And Titillate Club!
veered off pretty wildly at the end there...

This was flawless. Please name it this. I will pay to name it this.

But now that someone's done the hardwork for me and found the first five words. Ima compete:
5) The Bangali and Lauren Language Analysis Resurrection of Anarchist Tradition
4) The Bangali and Lauren Language Analysis Radiology Auditing Tacos
3) The Bangali and Lauren Language Analysis Remote Access Trojan (I like this one because it's like they infect you with knowledge, like a virus, but helpful)
2) The Bangali and Lauren Language Analysis Reinventing Acronym Team
1) This one is my favourite, because it's super badass: The Bangali and Lauren Language Analysis Recon Assault Team
But this one is actually the most likely that I could think of:

The Bangali and Lauren Language Analysis Recruitment and Training group

But then it would be "Ballaratg". and let's face it, no one wants that. so really I have no solution at all. but i can get points for trying??? right guys?? even one point is ok. i did my best. its all that matters.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: literally lauren on January 25, 2016, 10:49:01 am
Wait.  Are you talking about the same title as me? O.o
Dammit, I forgot :P
The Bangali and Lauren Language Analysis Radiology Auditing Tacos
Nvm, I have a new favourite.
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: heids on January 27, 2016, 04:47:59 pm
Love it, Thaaanyan.  I shall now change it to: Bangali And Lauren's Language Analysis Revival* (...And Thaaanyan)

* or Regatta, Revelation, Rabble, Reconstruction, Repair, Reparation

(And it's fine to cheat by calling it 'The Ballarat Club/Group', which is what we had - but I've actually totally forgotten what it really was by now :P)
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: pinggnip on February 04, 2019, 08:17:25 pm
hi is this page still running?
Title: Re: Weekly Letter-to-the-Editor LA Practise Club!
Post by: AngelWings on February 04, 2019, 08:51:13 pm
hi is this page still running?
Welcome to AN! Have you tried this board instead?