Post by: geminii on January 03, 2016, 09:37:52 pm
Once I leave school I'm looking to do either two or three bachelor degrees (either engineering, law, science...depends on my ATAR and I'm still not 100% sure yet). I would be choosing Melbourne over Monash, but because of the fact that Melbourne doesn't offer double degrees, I'm leaning towards Monash.
Anyway, is it even possible to do 3 bachelors degrees at Monash? Would you have to do a double degree and then a single degree after that? I'm not well-versed in how any course is structured, let alone a double degree! So help in this area would be awesome.
I know that I will have to put in a lot of time and effort, but any and all help is appreciated!
Thanks :)
Post by: keltingmeith on January 03, 2016, 09:40:52 pm
However, I have absolutely NO idea why on Earth you'd want to do 3 degrees. Care to elaborate?
Post by: pi on January 03, 2016, 09:45:09 pm
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=professional+student
Reminds me of this guy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shrikant_Jichkar
Quote from: snippet
Began as a Medical Doctor (MBBS and MD) he did his Law (LL.B.) with Post-graduation in International Law (LL.M.) and his Masters in Business Administration (DBM and MBA) and in Journalism (B.Journ). He did his Masters in ten subjects. M.A. (Public Administration ; M.A. (Sociology) ; M.A. (Economics); M.A. (Sanskrit); M.A. (History); M.A.(English Literature); M.A. (Philosophy); M.A. (Political Science) ; M.A. (Ancient Indian History,Culture and Archaeology); M.A (Psychology). He got his D. Litt (Doctor of Letters) in Sanskrit, the highest of any Degree in a University. Most of his Degrees are with First Merit and he has obtained several Gold Medals for his degrees.
Post by: geminii on January 03, 2016, 09:47:44 pm
Definitely possible, in exactly the way you described.
However, I have absolutely NO idea why on Earth you'd want to do 3 degrees. Care to elaborate?
Thanks! :)
I was just curious, also I wanted to do multiple Bachelors because I enjoy many different things and I don't think I could pick between a science-type bachelor and an English-type bachelor (I have an interest in science but my talent area is definitely English). Also, I think it's a great way to keep my options for careers open. I've wanted to have multiple qualifications for a long time.
Any idea approximately how many years it would take? :) And also, would I need special approval?
Post by: keltingmeith on January 03, 2016, 09:50:44 pm
Thanks! :)Minimum 7 years, but if you're looking at doing law or engineering, it'll easily be 8+. I don't think you'd need special approval.
I was just curious, also I wanted to do multiple Bachelors because I enjoy many different things and I don't think I could pick between a science-type bachelor and an English-type bachelor (I have an interest in science but my talent area is definitely English). Also, I think it's a great way to keep my options open.
Any idea approximately how many years it would take? :)
IMO, not worth it. I'd suggest a science/arts double degree. If you decide you want to take a job that requires accreditation (eg, engineering, law, med), then consider postgrad studies like a masters or doctorate.
This way, you stay broad, can try a bit of everything, and it doesn't take you up to 10 years to finish undergrad.
Post by: geminii on January 03, 2016, 09:53:32 pm
Minimum 7 years, but if you're looking at doing law or engineering, it'll easily be 8+. I don't think you'd need special approval.
IMO, not worth it. I'd suggest a science/arts double degree. If you decide you want to take a job that requires accreditation (eg, engineering, law, med), then consider postgrad studies like a masters or doctorate.
Haha thanks!
I'm not totally scrapping the idea of doing two degrees and not three :)
This way, you stay broad, can try a bit of everything, and it doesn't take you up to 10 years to finish undergrad.
Would it be possible to do a masters degree while doing the third bachelors degree?
Post by: Adequace on January 03, 2016, 10:21:59 pm
Post by: keltingmeith on January 03, 2016, 10:26:18 pm
Haha thanks!... not only is it not physically possible, but the idea would be to do the masters INSTEAD of the third bachelor, like so:
I'm not totally scrapping the idea of doing two degrees and not three :)
Would it be possible to do a masters degree while doing the third bachelors degree?
You do science/arts. You decide that you want to do engineering, so you do a Masters of Engineering instead of a Bachelor of Engineering.
Post by: Joseph41 on January 03, 2016, 10:28:16 pm
Honest opinion: you could spend your time more wisely (something along the lines of Euler's post).
Post by: mahler004 on January 03, 2016, 10:33:33 pm
I think you'd have to take in to account the cost as well, you don't want to accumulate a huge amount of HECS debt and not be able to pay it all off depending on your career you choose, I also think HECS has a limit as well. Although I think the government is changing something with HECS in 2016/2017, not exactly sure though.
You run out of HECS after a while too (I believe it's seven years full time, although don't quote me on this).
Observation - a lot of people (myself included, somewhat) have the attitude that 'yeah, I'll study EVERYTHING' when they finish Year 12, because they can't/don't want to narrow down their options. It's not really practical for cost and time reasons, as said above, and it's important to keep long-term goals in mind although I'm not one of those people who thinks that every degree has to have a career outcome linked to it. You'll also find that you get sick of university pretty quickly.
Lots of people who start a double science/arts degree drop into one or the other after a year.
Post by: appleandbee on January 03, 2016, 10:58:44 pm
Post by: geminii on January 04, 2016, 01:45:49 am
... not only is it not physically possible, but the idea would be to do the masters INSTEAD of the third bachelor, like so:
You do science/arts. You decide that you want to do engineering, so you do a Masters of Engineering instead of a Bachelor of Engineering.
Ah, I see. Well say if I did a double degree of science/engineering bachelors, how many years would that take? And how many years would the subsequent masters degree (engineering) take?
I think you'd have to take in to account the cost as well, you don't want to accumulate a huge amount of HECS debt and not be able to pay it all off depending on your career you choose, I also think HECS has a limit as well. Although I think the government is changing something with HECS in 2016/2017, not exactly sure though.
...I've never heard of HECS, what does it mean? ???
Also, I was thinking of doing an engineering degree and a science degree. The specialisation in the science degree would be something like psychology, would that be weird? Like having an engineering degree and a psychology degree wouldn't be strange would it? Another option I was considering was engineering/arts(behavioural studies) or engineering/arts(criminology).
When doing these mixes would I have to learn how they interrelate? Or would they be taught completely separately?
Thanks again everyone. :)
Post by: Alter on January 04, 2016, 07:51:08 am
HECS is a Uni payment scheme by which students in Australia can defer paying off the fees of their course until they have a job above a certain wage theshhold. Put simply, you avoid paying for uni in the short term, but it catches up on you eventually.
Post by: Clockwork on January 04, 2016, 10:48:07 am
Post by: chasej on January 04, 2016, 03:17:39 pm
Post by: geminii on January 04, 2016, 03:28:11 pm
Good luck having the motivation to do a third bachelors after completing a double degree.
It's not final yet - I was just wondering whether it would be worth it and how I would even go about doing it.
Post by: extremeftw on January 04, 2016, 04:57:29 pm
Post by: Callum@1373 on January 04, 2016, 05:15:31 pm
Post by: spectroscopy on January 04, 2016, 07:01:28 pm
you just do bachelor of science and you major in one of the engineering streams + do law breadths and some science electives and after 3 years youll have a better idea what you wanna do post grad if anything
Post by: pi on January 04, 2016, 07:50:34 pm
dude the melbourne model is literally for you
they literally designed the melbourne model for ppl like you
Tipping this lad is getting paid by UoM ;)
Post by: Rohmer on January 04, 2016, 08:11:01 pm
dude the melbourne model is literally for you
you just do bachelor of science and you major in one of the engineering streams + do law breadths and some science electives and after 3 years youll have a better idea what you wanna do post grad if anything
That'd work, except for the law electives, as I'm pretty sure Umelb won't allow undergrads to take JD units as electives. A couple of business law units could probably be done from the commerce faculty, however.
Post by: Shenz0r on January 04, 2016, 08:18:57 pm
I'm seriously considering doing three degrees if I get into Teach For Australia, like Biomed at Melb uni (or maybe Arts as that would allow me to teach humanities subjects) and defer a graduate Med degree (if I get a CSP place) so that I can teach for two years. I get a Masters of Education as a result of Teach For Australia, although I don’t really want it tbh. I'm not too sure if it’s really feasible or realistic.
Unfortunately that is not going to happen. If you do get in to medicine you can only defer for one year max and you need a very good reason to (if you say your reason is because you're studying another degree, it's going to raise eyebrows).
Post by: Alter on January 04, 2016, 08:35:23 pm
That'd work, except for the law electives, as I'm pretty sure Umelb won't allow undergrads to take JD units as electives. A couple of business law units could probably be done from the commerce faculty, however.You can also do Free Speech & Media Law in addition to Work Law/Business Law at an undergrad level. It's pretty open in terms of possibilities.
Post by: chasej on January 04, 2016, 09:28:10 pm
It's not final yet - I was just wondering whether it would be worth it and how I would even go about doing it.
Yeh and my response was that I think it's unrealistic and not worth it to do three bachelors. by all means do a double degree and than a masters in a different field, but no need for three bachelors.
Post by: dankfrank420 on January 04, 2016, 09:31:17 pm
Yeh and my response was that I think it's unrealistic and not worth it to do three bachelors. by all means do a double degree and than a masters in a different field, but no need for three bachelors.
And with all that qualification wouldn't you be over qualified for entry level jobs?
I'd think getting 1/2 years more experience in the workforce > another bachelors/masters.
Guess it's all priorities I suppose - if you enjoy it then go for it.
Post by: chasej on January 04, 2016, 10:04:27 pm
And with all that qualification wouldn't you be over qualified for entry level jobs?
I'd think getting 1/2 years more experience in the workforce > another bachelors/masters.
Guess it's all priorities I suppose - if you enjoy it then go for it.
probably, but it could increase your chances of getting promotions/pay rises and will save you going back to do it in the future.
Post by: spectroscopy on January 04, 2016, 10:08:04 pm
That'd work, except for the law electives, as I'm pretty sure Umelb won't allow undergrads to take JD units as electives. A couple of business law units could probably be done from the commerce faculty, however.nah there are a fair few law electives that are designed as breadth for people interested in law. they arent jd units. even business law subjects dont count as commerce subjects they count as breadth
Post by: Glasses on January 04, 2016, 11:45:02 pm
Post by: slothpomba on January 06, 2016, 10:33:24 am
You run out of HECS after a while too (I believe it's seven years full time, although don't quote me on this).
This law has been repealed. It was true around 2009-2010 but it has since been changed. You essentially have unlimited undergraduate HECs.
There are some restrictions though (i'm not sure if you can go backwards, as in do a bachelors, do a masters but then you cant go back and do a HECS bachelors as a third degree, since you already have a qualification greater than bachelors). Also the HECs debt would be fairly impressive.