Post by: qazser on January 10, 2016, 04:43:58 pm
Shoutout to RMIT for letting us use the space.
Special thanks to lecturers who gave up their time to lecture us. Thanks to those who came along, that made today such a great day!
Qazser
Post by: babushka818 on January 10, 2016, 05:23:29 pm
Post by: geminii on January 10, 2016, 06:17:40 pm
Post by: Pawnpusher on January 10, 2016, 06:20:53 pm
Post by: Orb on January 10, 2016, 06:29:47 pm
Psst not like i've graduated or anything ;)
Post by: qazser on January 10, 2016, 09:44:35 pm
Edit: Does anyone know what you need to bring? Are there charging ports in the lecture hall b/c im there all day for methods and spesh and my laptop will only last 5 hours.
Post by: Syndicate on January 10, 2016, 11:04:52 pm
Going to Spesh Thursday morning 9.20 with Syndicate for fun. Haven't even started Spesh 1/2 but why not :P . PM me or syndicate if you guys wanna meet up and do lecture together ;D
Edit: Does anyone know what you need to bring? Are there charging ports in the lecture hall b/c im there all day for methods and spesh and my laptop will only last 5 hours.
I am just going to bring a notebook, a few pens, and probably my iPad :P
Post by: geminii on January 10, 2016, 11:15:28 pm
Post by: geminii on January 12, 2016, 10:34:24 pm
Are we allowed to record lectures? I've heard that some companies don't like students recording (*cough**TSFX**cough*) but does AN mind?
Anyone?
Post by: silverpixeli on January 12, 2016, 10:43:01 pm
Post by: heids on January 12, 2016, 10:45:03 pm
yeah I'll be there for Specialist, look out for me
There's gonna be a lot of people there mate, don't expect that we'd be able to single you out in the crowd.
Post by: geminii on January 12, 2016, 10:46:25 pm
Post by: keltingmeith on January 12, 2016, 11:28:35 pm
I'll give you a discount of 1000%* the price on my lecture notes if you figure out who I am. ;)
*You do still have the option of opting for the normal 100% price, though.
Also the lecture notes won't be there, so you won't be able to buy them.
We will take your money, though.
EDIT: the above is just a bad joke. Lecture notes will be available for whatever lecture you, or others, will be watching.
Post by: Zealous on January 13, 2016, 02:59:23 pm
Are we allowed to record lectures? I've heard that some companies don't like students recording (*cough**TSFX**cough*) but does AN mind?Lecture slides will be provided after the lectures! So you'll probably get higher quality material that way.
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 03:02:36 pm
Lecture slides will be provided after the lectures! So you'll probably get higher quality material that way.
Zealous, know if the Study guides by AN can be bought before/after lecture?
Post by: IndefatigableLover on January 13, 2016, 03:07:08 pm
Zealous, know if the Study guides by AN can be bought before/after lecture?They can be bought before/after the lecture however the amount they'll have on the day may run out (typically lecture notes run out so best to get in quick)!
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 03:09:44 pm
They can be bought before/after the lecture however the amount they'll have on the day may run out (typically lecture notes run out so best to get in quick)!
Thought so, but Euler said they won't be any for sale on pg 1 of thread
Post by: geminii on January 13, 2016, 03:10:48 pm
Lecture slides will be provided after the lectures! So you'll probably get higher quality material that way.
Oh, awesome! Thanks :)
Post by: keltingmeith on January 13, 2016, 03:21:47 pm
Thought so, but Euler said they won't be any for sale on pg 1 of threadAll lecture notes will be available for the lectures that are taking place.
MY lecture notes won't be available, because I'm not lecturing.
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 03:23:55 pm
All lecture notes will be available for the lectures that are taking place.
MY lecture notes won't be available, because I'm not lecturing.
Ty for confirmation
Post by: Peanut Butter on January 13, 2016, 04:22:47 pm
Cash for notes (highly recommended $20).
Does anyone know how much these notes are (per subject)? :)
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 04:23:36 pm
Does anyone know how much these notes are (per subject)? :)
$20 confirmed in email
Post by: studentofthenow on January 13, 2016, 05:39:38 pm
Post by: Peanut Butter on January 13, 2016, 05:44:00 pm
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 05:48:52 pm
Hey guys, I've just got a ticket for the specialist lecture, can someone explain what will be covered? Will material from the course be discussed, or will the lecture focus more-so on what is required etc. Sorry for the noob question! :)
All of unit 3 stuff
How do the notes differ from the lecture slides? Do you guys strongly suggest buying them? :D
Notes are like a textbook. They cover all year round. I presume the lecture slides will only be a brief (not as through as the notes) of what we will study in Unit 3
Post by: geminii on January 13, 2016, 05:59:38 pm
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 06:02:54 pm
Since there are new study designs for many subjects, are the notes applicable for the new study designs? Eg. specialist, bio, etc.
I believe they are "revamped". AN wouldn't sell us old notes.
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 06:25:01 pm
The content in the topics of the curriculum hasn't actually changed. Example: now in vectors, we are still going to learn the same stuff as the previous years did, however, it might be in more depth, or the VCAA might decides that VCE students may need more time to learn such a thing. Now, if we decide to find AB, it is still going to be -OA + OB, not anything like -OB + OA, right?
So, it doesn't exactly matter, if the notes are old, because most it will still be revelant, for the new study design (there is no such thing as "old notes" (just my opinion)) :)
i meant old study design notes ;D
Post by: keltingmeith on January 13, 2016, 06:46:41 pm
The content in the topics of the curriculum hasn't actually changed. Example: now in vectors, we are still going to learn the same stuff as the previous years did, however, it might be in more depth, or the VCAA might decides that VCE students may need more time to learn such a thing. Now, if we decide to find AB, it is still going to be -OA + OB, not anything like -OB + OA, right?
... wut. This ain't true at all, soz bruh LOL. Vectors are being taught this year exactly as they have been in previous years, nothing more in depth, nothing less in depth. The study design changes are literally the case of things being added or removed from the study design.
And don't worry - you won't be getting sold any set of notes if they aren't 100% relevant to the study design!! In particular for the maths subjects, since they have study design changes relevant to this year, you'll be getting lecture notes that have been modified to suit the changes in content.
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 06:49:34 pm
... wut. This ain't true at all, soz bruh LOL. Vectors are being taught this year exactly as they have been in previous years, nothing more in depth, nothing less in depth. The study design changes are literally the case of things being added or removed from the study design.
And don't worry - you won't be getting sold any set of notes if they aren't 100% relevant to the study design!! In particular for the maths subjects, since they have study design changes relevant to this year, you'll be getting lecture notes that have been modified to suit the changes in content.
Euler did you write the stats bit in Methods notes?
Post by: silverpixeli on January 13, 2016, 06:52:55 pm
Euler did you write the stats bit in Methods notes?
He certainly did all the updating of the spesh notes, I haven't learned stats yet :)
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 06:56:30 pm
He certainly did all the updating of the spesh notes, I haven't learned stats yet :)
Maybe he can lecture stats then!
Post by: geminii on January 13, 2016, 06:56:47 pm
... wut. This ain't true at all, soz bruh LOL. Vectors are being taught this year exactly as they have been in previous years, nothing more in depth, nothing less in depth. The study design changes are literally the case of things being added or removed from the study design.
And don't worry - you won't be getting sold any set of notes if they aren't 100% relevant to the study design!! In particular for the maths subjects, since they have study design changes relevant to this year, you'll be getting lecture notes that have been modified to suit the changes in content.
Awesome, thanks! :D
Post by: keltingmeith on January 13, 2016, 06:59:22 pm
Euler did you write the stats bit in Methods notes?
Nah, methods was written by Zealous. I did help with proofreading/correcting, though, and he does a fantastic job of explaining and teaching it all in the notes!
Post by: babushka818 on January 13, 2016, 07:05:17 pm
also just to clarify, there'll be a "new" set of notes for the maths and stuff that are changing? so if I purchase new spesh notes it'll have stats and all the different content in the new publications according to the new study design? was considering buying it tomorrow if that's the case! :) thanks guys!
Post by: keltingmeith on January 13, 2016, 07:09:50 pm
wait can I just ask; for subjects like bio/chem, are the notes going to change, since the study design hasn't?
also just to clarify, there'll be a "new" set of notes for the maths and stuff that are changing? so if I purchase new spesh notes it'll have stats and all the different content in the new publications according to the new study design? was considering buying it tomorrow if that's the case! :) thanks guys!
I can't really comment on bio/chem, because I wasn't involved in the writing process of those - if they are the same, though, they're still relevant to the study design completely, so that's not quite an issue. :P
However, I can definitely promise that specialist and methods have the new study design stuff in them - particularly spec, given how long I spent putting all that stuff in. :P Goes beyond just the new stats stuff, too - we've made sure to update all the other sections that have changes, including calculus, DEs, etc.
Post by: babushka818 on January 13, 2016, 07:29:59 pm
I can't really comment on bio/chem, because I wasn't involved in the writing process of those - if they are the same, though, they're still relevant to the study design completely, so that's not quite an issue. :Pthank youu, I'm not fussed about these because I know whatever is in them from the past still is (I have older copies of them) but I just wanted to know if new stuff was added and it'd be good to purchase another, but thank you :)
However, I can definitely promise that specialist and methods have the new study design stuff in them - particularly spec, given how long I spent putting all that stuff in. :P Goes beyond just the new stats stuff, too - we've made sure to update all the other sections that have changes, including calculus, DEs, etc.that is fantastic thank you so much, that's really helped me out :)
I really wanted to self teach some stuff before school began and had no clue where I could learn a lot of the content I wanted, so that is perfect! thanks Euler :)
Post by: Gromekk on January 13, 2016, 09:18:46 pm
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on January 13, 2016, 09:29:58 pm
So just to confirm is it notes that cover the whole year or only unit 3? TyJust unit 3
Post by: keltingmeith on January 13, 2016, 09:36:33 pm
Just unit 3Interesting that you have this information when I don't...
Maths and English cover the whole year. The other subjects might only be for unit 3, I'm not entirely sure. They might be both units, though, I honestly can't say. It'll be very obvious when you go to buy the notes tomorrow, though!
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on January 13, 2016, 09:38:09 pm
Post by: qazser on January 13, 2016, 09:39:36 pm
Interesting that you have this information when I don't...
Maths and English cover the whole year. The other subjects might only be for unit 3, I'm not entirely sure. They might be both units, though, I honestly can't say. It'll be very obvious when you go to buy the notes tomorrow, though!
AN has unit 4 lectures so i assumed just 3. Love to see how 15 chapters will be covered in 4 hours in details if its all year stuff :)
Post by: keltingmeith on January 13, 2016, 09:42:29 pm
AN has unit 4 lectures so i assumed just 3. Love to see how 15 chapters will be covered in 4 hours in details if its all year stuff :)The lectures themselves will (probably) only cover what you'll see in the coming semester - the lecture notes that you can purchase for $20 are different.
Post by: Syndicate on January 13, 2016, 09:51:50 pm
I was a bit curious and wanted to know that if, the lecture notes will any practice exams/ questions?
Thanks :)
Post by: keltingmeith on January 13, 2016, 10:12:38 pm
If lecture notes contain practice questions depends entirely on the lecturer in question, but pretty sure if they are there, they're only there as worked examples. The lecture notes are literally just notes, sorry - they're not intended to replace textbooks.
Any more questions, ask whoever's manning the stall tomorrow! They'll be glad to assist!
Post by: studentofthenow on January 13, 2016, 11:44:08 pm
Post by: brenden on January 13, 2016, 11:51:11 pm
Hey guys, it appears I've just missed the cut-off for the them lecture, is it possible at all to attain a ticket? :'(Come down and hope there's a spare seat :) (there has been for all lectures in the past)
Post by: studentofthenow on January 13, 2016, 11:53:23 pm
Post by: brenden on January 13, 2016, 11:56:08 pm
Thank you so much!! Should I just ask the person inspecting the tickets?Yep! If anyone tells you to go away, ignore them (there was an incident last year with someone asking a random and the random was just a wanker). Get up to the desk and just be like "yo brenden said I can go in", should be sweet.
Post by: studentofthenow on January 13, 2016, 11:57:39 pm
Yep! If anyone tells you to go away, ignore them (there was an incident last year with someone asking a random and the random was just a wanker). Get up to the desk and just be like "yo brenden said I can go in", should be sweet.
Legend! Thank you so much! See you there
Post by: brenden on January 14, 2016, 07:05:42 am
Which says something about my other friends. Bastards.
Post by: babushka818 on January 14, 2016, 07:37:17 am
So, I'm sooooo dumb that I misplaced my charger and my phone now has 8% battery. If anyone has a charger compatible with an iPhone 6 and wants to hit me up today (really tall guy, loud voice, shit jokes, RMIT jumper on), you will literally be my best friend.
Which says something about my other friends. Bastards.
So I guess android won't work :p I'm chilling at Melbourne Central :)
Post by: brenden on January 14, 2016, 08:00:19 am
So I guess android won't work :p I'm chilling at Melbourne Central :)I just got to Clayton so I'm about 32 minutes or so from the city. 1% battery! I'll wait around Coles for a few minutes when I get there, come ambush me (RMIT hoody on)
Post by: babushka818 on January 14, 2016, 08:02:52 am
I just got to Clayton so I'm about 32 minutes or so from the city. 1% battery! I'll wait around Coles for a few minutes when I get there, come ambush me (RMIT hoody on)
32 minutes, how precise. I'll see you then. Good luck with your battery!!
**where's Coles?!? D:
Post by: thatblondie on January 14, 2016, 10:59:41 am
zealous just needs to remember how to find x intercepts :*
Post by: qazser on January 14, 2016, 11:16:36 am
methods is going good so far
zealous just needs to remember how to find x intercepts :*
so is spesh but Matt really needs a spelling lesson ;D
Post by: keltingmeith on January 14, 2016, 11:17:54 am
#headstartninja
Post by: thatblondie on January 14, 2016, 12:33:31 pm
methods is going good so far
zealous just needs to remember how to find x intercepts :*
update Brendan just owned some kid in the crowd
#bruh
Post by: qazser on January 14, 2016, 12:35:21 pm
update Brendan just owned some kid in the crowd
#bruh
how so?
Post by: thatblondie on January 14, 2016, 12:36:27 pm
how so?rowdy boys
Post by: qazser on January 14, 2016, 12:41:01 pm
rowdy boys
Brenden just paid us a visit. Talking bout AN online tutorials
Post by: thatblondie on January 14, 2016, 12:43:23 pm
Brenden just paid us a visit. Talking bout AN online tutorialsyeah I know
Post by: qazser on January 14, 2016, 01:31:58 pm
Post by: Sine on January 14, 2016, 01:48:40 pm
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on January 14, 2016, 02:09:59 pm
Finished english lecture who is going to the second spesh lectureyup
Post by: Syndicate on January 14, 2016, 03:17:58 pm
Post by: nutella345 on January 14, 2016, 07:13:29 pm
Post by: geminii on January 14, 2016, 07:29:26 pm
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on January 14, 2016, 07:49:14 pm
Thushan takes the 'the study of' out of 'biology is the study of life'
Matt seriously knows his stuff and surprisingly I culd keep pace the whole way, although it would have been nice if the crowd could have been a little more respectful
Post by: geminii on January 14, 2016, 07:54:41 pm
Matt seriously knows his stuff and surprisingly I culd keep pace the whole way, although it would have been nice if the crowd could have been a little more respectful
Aww were people talking during the middle and stuff? :-\
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on January 14, 2016, 08:20:02 pm
Aww were people talking during the middle and stuff? :-\Yeah pretty much the whole way through trolol. Did he cover the whole u3 course?
Post by: Adequace on January 14, 2016, 08:22:10 pm
Post by: geminii on January 14, 2016, 08:38:30 pm
Yeah pretty much the whole way through trolol. Did he cover the whole u3 course?
Yeah I'm pretty sure he did, he finished the immunity part in 45 minutes at the end!
Post by: Glasses on January 14, 2016, 08:58:50 pm
And Brenden's subtle dig at a particular organisation was incredible.
Also - would I have been kicked out if I stole the microphone to tell certain members of the crowd (i.e. those sitting behind me) to shut the fuck up?
Post by: brenden on January 14, 2016, 09:25:06 pm
English was awesome. I'm marrying Lauren by the way.Guys, I have a massive problem with people being loud. Please, if anyone notices a particular person is being obnoxious af, get a good look at what they're wearing and where they're sitting so you can describe them to me, and I will either make them be quiet or send them tf out.
And Brendan's subtle dig at a particular organisation was incredible.
Also - would I have been kicked out if I stole the microphone to tell certain members of the crowd (i.e. those sitting behind me) to shut the fuck up?
I can't even remember what guy I wrecked today or if I even pointed anyone out (13 hour day and stuff etc memory etc) but lol, go me, whatever I did.
Post by: Syndicate on January 14, 2016, 09:36:42 pm
Guys, I have a massive problem with people being loud. Please, if anyone notices a particular person is being obnoxious af, get a good look at what they're wearing and where they're sitting so you can describe them to me, and I will either make them be quiet or send them tf out.
I can't even remember what guy I wrecked today or if I even pointed anyone out (13 hour day and stuff etc memory etc) but lol, go me, whatever I did.
You also gave a nice speech in specialist (9:20 am) today ::)
Post by: brenden on January 14, 2016, 09:38:28 pm
You also gave a nice speech in specialist (9:20 am) today ::)Legitimately thought you were trying to trick me because I didn't talk in the Spesh lecture until the online tutorials speech, then realised that I told everyone to sit tight for like 2 seconds. Nearly had me ;)
Post by: Sine on January 14, 2016, 09:56:37 pm
I can't even remember what guy I wrecked todaydoes anyone know which lecture this was in not sure if i was there haha
Anyone for chem in the morning tomorrow?
Post by: brenden on January 14, 2016, 10:03:20 pm
Anyone for chem in the morning tomorrow?Nah not me. Thush can organise himself. #laterseveryone
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on January 14, 2016, 10:48:54 pm
does anyone know which lecture this was in not sure if i was there hahaYes I'm with you again :D
Anyone for chem in the morning tomorrow?
Post by: qazser on January 14, 2016, 10:49:53 pm
does anyone know which lecture this was in not sure if i was there haha
Anyone for chem in the morning tomorrow?
meth 9.20? wasnt there but someone mentioned earlier
Post by: YellowTongue on January 14, 2016, 11:15:23 pm
although it would have been nice if the crowd could have been a little more respectful
I don't understand why a person would even bother attending a lecture voluntarily during the holidays if they are not willing to pay attention. I can understand if a school made something similar compulsory during the school term, but if you are dedicated enough to go out of your way to go to a lecture out of your own free will, why? ::)
Post by: geminii on January 14, 2016, 11:24:51 pm
I don't understand why a person would even bother attending a lecture voluntarily during the holidays if they are not willing to pay attention. I can understand if a school made something similar compulsory during the school term, but if you are dedicated enough to go out of your way to go to a lecture out of your own free will, why? ::)
I know, this is what I thought as well. When Thushan had those live online polls up (which were meant to be used to answer the question he asked), responses came through like 'I don't care', 'Who knows', 'It doesn't matter'. Like, why are you here if you don't care?? :-\
Post by: Sine on January 15, 2016, 08:27:21 am
I don't understand why a person would even bother attending a lecture voluntarily during the holidays if they are not willing to pay attention. I can understand if a school made something similar compulsory during the school term, but if you are dedicated enough to go out of your way to go to a lecture out of your own free will, why? ::)
I know, this is what I thought as well. When Thushan had those live online polls up (which were meant to be used to answer the question he asked), responses came through like 'I don't care', 'Who knows', 'It doesn't matter'. Like, why are you here if you don't care?? :-\I think its just to people coming just going just to hang out with their whilst doing something educational.
Also, not everyone at the AN lecture is part of the atar notes forum community(which have ridiculously high standards + hardworking) thus sometimes unable to keep up with the lecture content as the lecturer will only have time to explain something 1 to 2 times which is not always enough for everyone.
Post by: heids on January 15, 2016, 09:30:51 am
I think its just to people coming just going just to hang out with their whilst to do something educational.
Imo, that's the one problem with doing a totally free lecture rather than attaching a small cost (e.g. must pay $20, but you'll get notes as part of it).
Because it's free, people don't value it as much as if they paid hard cash for it, so they're more likely to
a) prioritise something they paid for over it (e.g. VCESS) even if the quality isn't as good
b) randomly decide to miss it because they don't feel like it today and there's nothing at stake
c) learn less from it (a more casual attitude, less concentration and note-taking, chatting with friends, disturbing others etc.)
Attaching a cost, no matter how small, would be a barrier to entry however (it would have been for me in VCE), and your lecture attendance would be far lower, if a little more dedicated (plus losing the advertising perks of the word 'free').
Post by: Sine on January 15, 2016, 09:45:55 am
I'm at the chemistry lecture and its pretty much filled to full capacity
Post by: geminii on January 15, 2016, 10:00:36 am
Post by: heids on January 15, 2016, 10:13:44 am
Post by: keltingmeith on January 15, 2016, 10:27:37 am
^sums it all upNot as filled as English.
I'm at the chemistry lecture and its pretty much filled to full capacity
My God you lot ate dedicated.
Post by: Sine on January 15, 2016, 10:32:03 am
I'm at the Chem Lecture!! I think I can see TheAspiringDoc? But I'm not sure if it's him lolHaha same i think he is front row right in the middle section.
Post by: geminii on January 15, 2016, 11:24:01 am
Haha same i think he is front row right in the middle section.
Yeah that's him, in the striped shirt I'm pretty sure.
Sine where are you? I'm on the left side, middle of the fourth row.
Post by: silverpixeli on January 15, 2016, 11:36:14 am
I have had a lot of people telling me they got a lot out of it and every comment/message like that makes me feel like it's all worth it
It's always an awkward lecture to put together, with ~85% of kids having done GMA and ~50% of kids having done Methods there are a lot of topics that are dangerous because they will bore some people or lose other people
in fact there are a grand total of two 'safe' topics in the entire course: reciprocal graphs and concavity. That isn't really enough to fill a whole lecture so that's why a little revision of partial fractions and complex numbers was necessary. I know non-gma kids even got a little lost in the short complex numbers revision section because it's a very nuanced topic and requires a careful introduction.
Maybe this overlap was part of the reason for the rowdy-ness --- nobody was chatting during concavity!
but I could tell it was a lot worse at the second lecture too, so probably a mix between disengagement with the content and just tiredness from already sitting through a full lecture --- a long day for everyone!
I know I need to spell check, I am sincerely sorry for the awfulness in the slides, I will try to touch them up today before they are sent out
If anyone was at the second lecture, when I was typing 'scary... right up until you actually do it' and it came up as 'scary... rihup ul youacully d i' or something I was SO EMBARRASSED the keyboard was just not as sensitive as I am used to
Post by: Callum@1373 on January 15, 2016, 11:49:38 am
Post by: Sine on January 15, 2016, 12:18:12 pm
Yeah that's him, in the striped shirt I'm pretty sure.Middle of the 4th row in the centre section.
Sine where are you? I'm on the left side, middle of the fourth row.
Post by: silverpixeli on January 15, 2016, 12:18:59 pm
Awesome to hear! I'm coming to your lecture next, after Chem :D
Awkward, both my lectures were yesterday, I'm just doing spesh this semester
Post by: studentofthenow on January 15, 2016, 12:26:51 pm
Awkward, both my lectures were yesterday, I'm just doing spesh this semesterGreat lecture! Did you notice those annoying kids at the back generating 90% of the noise?
Post by: Syndicate on January 15, 2016, 12:27:38 pm
Awkward, both my lectures were yesterday, I'm just doing spesh this semester
Thanks to your lectures, I can finally do some graphing! Without any knowledge of specialist 1/2, you made it possible!
Thanks! ;D
Btw by any knowledge of specialist 1/2, I was talking about myself
Post by: geminii on January 15, 2016, 12:34:24 pm
Great lecture! Did you notice those annoying kids at the back generating 90% of the noise?
I'm not going to the spesh lecture but there are annoying people at the back in the Chem lecture -.-
Post by: Adequace on January 15, 2016, 12:50:38 pm
Post by: silverpixeli on January 15, 2016, 01:11:06 pm
Is there free wifi at RMIT, at melb Central still just incase
Yes you'll get the details at the start of the lecture
Post by: qazser on January 15, 2016, 04:01:31 pm
Firstly thanks to Matt and Sammy who presented the Spesh and Meth lectures yesterday.
Yesterday, at both Spesh (less of spesh than methods) and Methods lectures, numerous individuals in the crowd were disrespectful. AN is a hardworking community, a dedicated one for those that want to pursue higher academic grades. Think about it, why should AN organise lectures open to everyone in the community for free, for those who aren't active or even members on AN? For example, yesterday, at the start of the methods lecture, people were saying, "oh Sammy only got 47 raw, why the f*** is he lecturing us?" In the middle of the lecture, someone disrespectfully shouted out "pi/11" to an answer which was wrong and when sammy corrected him, he said "just joking" before starting to laugh again. The member of the crowd again shouted out another wrong answer 2 minutes later. As Bangali mentioned earlier, the small minority that were disrespectful regarded AN lectures as:
-Its free (less concentration)
-An excuse to go out with your mates whilst "pretending" to do something educational
AN shouldn't care how many we can fit in the lecture. If i were AN, i would rather take a lecture full of dedicated students who actually want to learn than 3 lectures but of which half the students aren't as dedicated.
Solution
-Make the headstart lectures $20 but include the notes for "free"
-Mid Year Lecture
$10 for newcomers(didn't come during lecture 1), $5 who came to lecture 1. Money goes to AN meets, development of AN, charity?
Revision lecture $10, provide additional revision lecture notes+key tips
TL;DR Charge everyone for the lectures, but provide the notes for free. Win win for all except the disrespectful guys.
Qazser
Post by: babushka818 on January 15, 2016, 07:19:18 pm
Suggestion for future AN lectures
AN is a hardworking community, a dedicated one for those that want to pursue higher academic grades. Think about it, why should AN organise lectures open to everyone in the community for free, for those who aren't active or even members on AN? For example, yesterday, at the start of the methods lecture, people were saying, "oh Sammy only got 47 raw, why the f*** is he lecturing us?" In the middle of the lecture, someone disrespectfully shouted out "pi/11" to an answer which was wrong and when sammy corrected him, he said "just joking" before starting to laugh again. The member of the crowd again shouted out another wrong answer 2 minutes later. As Bangali mentioned earlier, the small minority that were disrespectful regarded AN lectures as:
-Its free (less concentration)
-An excuse to go out with your mates whilst "pretending" to do something educational
AN shouldn't care how many we can fit in the lecture. If i were AN, i would rather take a lecture full of dedicated students who actually want to learn than 3 lectures but of which half the students aren't as dedicated.
Solution
-Make the headstart lectures $20 but include the notes for "free"
-Mid Year Lecture
$10 for newcomers(didn't come during lecture 1), $5 who came to lecture 1. Money goes to AN meets, development of AN, charity?
Revision lecture $10, provide additional revision lecture notes+key tips
TL;DR Charge everyone for the lectures, but provide the notes for free. Win win for all except the disrespectful guys.
Qazser
Some great points made qazser! Can't we have lectures for just AN people who we know are dedicated and care and respect the lecturers?
Probably not feasible, but on a serious note, agree a lot with what you've said here. It's not fair to students who want to learn or the lecturers for students to take up seats in fully booked lectures and just disrupt it. It's honestly so disrespectful for everyone. I had friends who really wanted to go to the chem lecture but it was booked out and there were people in the room who took out laptops and were on Facebook and talking even after Thushan asked them to stop. It's not the lecturer's job to make sure everyone is listening and it wastes everyone's time when they have to keep stopping to shut everyone up. If you aren't interested, just don't go.
I agree about charging for lectures, it is an effective way to restrict the students who attend, but maybe mid years shouldn't be half price for newcomers?? Just a thought, I don't really see why they should be because the value of the unit 4 lecture isn't any less than unit 3, and as the notes are worth more than $5 to anyone, maybe it isn't the most effective method? Either way, considering it, this might not be practical in actually running the lecture.. We could suggest AN members only get discounts :P Although I want to say, it isn't up to us to decide what the money goes towards. It should continue going to whatever the money made from lecture notes has been going to, and what the company decides to do is their privilege.
Just another opinion, but maybe make the revision lecture free and open to everyone (without the notes included though?). I don't know, these are all just my ideas.
Just to clarify, I love what AN does for us all, it's really considerate of them to offer us so much for free, knowing that students can't/don't want to spend so much money on this stuff and like every other company takes advantage of this, and I know that's something they're proud of and it sets them apart and above other lectures. I understand that some might take advantage of that, but if there is any other way to get only dedicated students to attend without having to charge for it, please can we try to do that (hate to say it, but like running lectures only for AN students ::) ). I think because it's free people don't understand the true value it has, so if this could I don't know, be means tested in any feasible manner, I think the lectures could be so much more successful and have greater benefit to those who actually want it.
**disclaimer, these are just some of my opinions, I'm not suggesting that everyone outside AN is disrespectful or doesn't deserve an opportunity this great, I'm just saying that no one deserves to have such opportunities ruined by people who don't care. Also not saying anyone should heed these ideas, as mentioned by qazser, they're just suggestions! Thanks again to everyone involved in running these lectures though :)
Post by: qazser on January 15, 2016, 07:34:43 pm
Just want to thank RMIT, the lecturers, Brenden and all the staff for making these incredible lectures possible. :)
Some great points made qazser! Can't we have lectures for just AN people who we know are dedicated and care and respect the lecturers?
Probably not feasible, but on a serious note, agree a lot with what you've said here. It's not fair to students who want to learn or the lecturers for students to take up seats in fully booked lectures and just disrupt it. It's honestly so disrespectful for everyone. I had friends who really wanted to go to the chem lecture but it was booked out and there were people in the room who took out laptops and were on Facebook and talking even after Thushan asked them to stop. It's not the lecturer's job to make sure everyone is listening and it wastes everyone's time when they have to keep stopping to shut everyone up. If you aren't interested, just don't go.
I agree about charging for lectures, it is an effective way to restrict the students who attend, but maybe mid years shouldn't be half price for newcomers?? Just a thought, I don't really see why they should be because the value of the unit 4 lecture isn't any less than unit 3, and as the notes are worth more than $5 to anyone, maybe it isn't the most effective method? Either way, considering it, this might not be practical in actually running the lecture.. We could suggest AN members only get discounts :P Although I want to say, it isn't up to us to decide what the money goes towards. It should continue going to whatever the money made from lecture notes has been going to, and what the company decides to do is their privilege.
Just another opinion, but maybe make the revision lecture free and open to everyone (without the notes included though?). I don't know, these are all just my ideas.
Just to clarify, I love what AN does for us all, it's really considerate of them to offer us so much for free, knowing that students can't/don't want to spend so much money on this stuff and like every other company takes advantage of this, and I know that's something they're proud of and it sets them apart and above other lectures. I understand that some might take advantage of that, but if there is any other way to get only dedicated students to attend without having to charge for it, please can we try to do that (hate to say it, but like running lectures only for AN students ::) ). I think because it's free people don't understand the true value it has, so if this could I don't know, be means tested in any feasible manner, I think the lectures could be so much more successful and have greater benefit to those who actually want it.
**disclaimer, these are just some of my opinions, I'm not suggesting that everyone outside AN is disrespectful or doesn't deserve an opportunity this great, I'm just saying that no one deserves to have such opportunities ruined by people who don't care. Also not saying anyone should heed these ideas, as mentioned by qazser, they're just suggestions! Thanks again to everyone involved in running these lectures though :)
I meant headstart would be $20 b/c of the set of notes provided. Mid year would be half price because they won't be any notes b/c already given notes in headstart
Post by: babushka818 on January 15, 2016, 07:43:42 pm
I meant headstart would be $20 b/c of the set of notes provided. Mid year would be half price because they won't be any notes b/c already given notes in headstart
Ahh okay makes sense. I just know that some subjects (science mostly I think) have separate notes for U3 and U4 so I don't know how practical that is. Considering the options, AN has done an awesome job of working out how to make this system work!
Post by: Syndicate on January 15, 2016, 07:55:32 pm
We could suggest AN members only get discounts
Off-Topic: just out of curiosity, how did these people know about the lectures then?
AN shouldn't care how many we can fit in the lecture. If i were AN, i would rather take a lecture full of dedicated students who actually want to learn than 3 lectures but of which half the students aren't as dedicated.
How can you judge someone? I mean how can you tell if they are dedicated or not? (you can't exactly judge a book by it's cover :P)
-An excuse to go out with your mates whilst "pretending" to do something educationalAgreed!
Post by: keltingmeith on January 15, 2016, 07:58:44 pm
I will say, though, that each time we run lectures, we run into these issues. People being unruly/rude, people not being focused or paying attention and, worst of all, people just not showing up. Most of these lectures were completely booked out - did you see an empty seat in your lecture theatre? (ignoring the third English lecture - that was cray cray, yo) Don't even get me started on the amount of food that was ditched in the theatre during the winter lectures last year (and by food, I mean there were fish and chip packets with food still in them lying around)
Of course, we hate that people like you guys feel disadvantaged by this stuff. As you said, it sucks for us who want to put a good show on for you, but even moreso it sucks for you guys, who lose what could be an absolutely fantastic experience. Because of this, we've come up with quite a few plans, contingencies and work-arounds to try and stop it all. Charging kids was something we looked into, but the problem is that, as has been outlined before, the moment you charge money, even just a little bit, you lose people who just can't do it. It might be hard to imagine for you, but some people can't even sacrifice $5 to attend these lectures, and they're some of the most diligent of the lot. They're the kids who I ask if they want the notes, they blush a little, quietly shake their head, and then proceed into the lecture and take as many notes as they can. They're the ones who can't attend any other company's lectures, and they're some of the ones who benefit most out of us doing this.
Obviously, we don't want to lose them - they're partly the reason this whole thing was started! So, charging becomes out of the question. We also looked at things such as paying a $5 deposit which we'd reimburse when they came to the lecture - the problem with that is that then it HAS to go through the parents, and not all parents are open to this kind of thing. (particularly when it becomes a case of money - "are you sure it's worth the money? I just don't want you wasting on a useless experience...") Obvious exception if the kid has a debit/credit card, but you have to be 18 to have one of those, and not every year 12 is 18 even at the end of the year. (hell, I know people that weren't 18 until their second year of uni!) Not to mention that it would be too hard to try and work out the reimbursing process that would have to follow.
Not that your suggestions are bad - I can guarantee you 100% that Brenden will read over them and consider them as much as possible, because he's just a top bloke like that. But that's just some insight as to why we haven't moved to charging for the lectures, even after seeing the behaviour repeat time and time again.
Post by: babushka818 on January 15, 2016, 08:07:17 pm
Off-Topic: just out of curiosity, how did these people know about the lectures then?
It was posted on Facebook too, some people share the details with their schools and friends, tag people on Facebook and whatnot. Not too sure how anyone else finds out, but I think AN might run some of the more common VCE discussion pages on Facebook too, so not so dedicated people might go from that, I'm really not sure. Point is, I don't think it's people from the actual forums who disrupt the lectures.
How can you judge someone? I mean how can you tell if they are dedicated or not? (you can't exactly judge a book by it's cover
Agreed!
Not essentially directed at me, but this is exactly the issue! It really should be means tested in some way to stop non-dedicated students attending, but as far as I can tell, there's no way to accurately do that, and I think exclusively inviting the AN population might be too small a group to run lectures for. You make a good point, and it's not like you can ask for registrations with a survey;
"Some questions before you can register:
-Are you in VCE?
-Do you care about school?
-Are you dedicated?
Thanks for this information, please proceed."
So I'm not sure what happens from here on in :/ It's not effective obviously, but I don't know what could be. They could open registrations through the AN forums for a few days first to ensure dedicated students and if there's spares then open it to everyone else? I don't know if they already do that or what though..
Post by: babushka818 on January 15, 2016, 08:16:57 pm
Hey guys - Brenden and the gang are actually going to be getting ready to head off to Sydney (last I heard, they leave Sunday?), so they might not see this feedback for about a week or so. (I'll make sure to send the topic to them when they get back, though, if they miss it!)
I will say, though, that each time we run lectures, we run into these issues. People being unruly/rude, people not being focused or paying attention and, worst of all, people just not showing up. Most of these lectures were completely booked out - did you see an empty seat in your lecture theatre? (ignoring the third English lecture - that was cray cray, yo) Don't even get me started on the amount of food that was ditched in the theatre during the winter lectures last year (and by food, I mean there were fish and chip packets with food still in them lying around)
Of course, we hate that people like you guys feel disadvantaged by this stuff. As you said, it sucks for us who want to put a good show on for you, but even moreso it sucks for you guys, who lose what could be an absolutely fantastic experience. Because of this, we've come up with quite a few plans, contingencies and work-arounds to try and stop it all. Charging kids was something we looked into, but the problem is that, as has been outlined before, the moment you charge money, even just a little bit, you lose people who just can't do it. It might be hard to imagine for you, but some people can't even sacrifice $5 to attend these lectures, and they're some of the most diligent of the lot. They're the kids who I ask if they want the notes, they blush a little, quietly shake their head, and then proceed into the lecture and take as many notes as they can. They're the ones who can't attend any other company's lectures, and they're some of the ones who benefit most out of us doing this.
Obviously, we don't want to lose them - they're partly the reason this whole thing was started! So, charging becomes out of the question. We also looked at things such as paying a $5 deposit which we'd reimburse when they came to the lecture - the problem with that is that then it HAS to go through the parents, and not all parents are open to this kind of thing. (particularly when it becomes a case of money - "are you sure it's worth the money? I just don't want you wasting on a useless experience...") Obvious exception if the kid has a debit/credit card, but you have to be 18 to have one of those, and not every year 12 is 18 even at the end of the year. (hell, I know people that weren't 18 until their second year of uni!) Not to mention that it would be too hard to try and work out the reimbursing process that would have to follow.
Not that your suggestions are bad - I can guarantee you 100% that Brenden will read over them and consider them as much as possible, because he's just a top bloke like that. But that's just some insight as to why we haven't moved to charging for the lectures, even after seeing the behaviour repeat time and time again.
Genuine thanks for this post Euler!! Appreciate you letting us know that you guys are aware of the issues :)
I also understand why you want to keep them free; it's for those who need it and can't afford it and it's so nice that you guys want to help out everyone, not just those who can give you something. There's an awesome system going for it!
Really do appreciate your efforts to not charge for these lectures, got so much respect for this community. If you could check out and consider some of the other suggestions that don't involve charging money, hopefully these can get even better for everyone involved! Thanks again Euler :)
Post by: keltingmeith on January 15, 2016, 08:24:40 pm
Genuine thanks for this post Euler!! Appreciate you letting us know that you guys are aware of the issues :)
I also understand why you want to keep them free; it's for those who need it and can't afford it and it's so nice that you guys want to help out everyone, not just those who can give you something. There's an awesome system going for it!
Really do appreciate your efforts to not charge for these lectures, got so much respect for this community. If you could check out and consider some of the other suggestions that don't involve charging money, hopefully these can get even better for everyone involved! Thanks again Euler :)
Nah man, 100%, EVERYTHING mentioned will get looked at. We value you guys, and we value your opinion (which is why we send out so many surveys. :P), so we will look at it all without a doubt.
Post by: brenden on January 15, 2016, 10:31:18 pm
Post by: studentofthenow on January 15, 2016, 10:34:51 pm
Yeah, we've pondered many options before. I think the solution is to be more vigilant and to have people checking in on theatres and pointing out loud people. I've often "shooshed" theatres and remained in the room, and people actually stay quiet. I'm of the belief that the solution lies in simply getting better at crowd control.
Or get a better crowd ;)
Post by: heids on January 15, 2016, 11:06:03 pm
Post by: TheAspiringDoc on January 15, 2016, 11:50:07 pm
While I also suggested a small charge a couple of pages back, I'm going to add that in VCE, I would have been one of the students who couldn't have come if it was even $5 (never know, I might have been able to sneak it from the cash box with no one looking ;)). They do exist. And they literally cannot access other resources.agreed. And I think it is currently a fair set up as AN stills sells heaps of notes and does good advertising so I am strongly in favour of free attendance
Post by: Sine on January 16, 2016, 12:10:17 am
Thushan had the best explanation for NMR now I finally understand it.
Also the funniest thing happened, Thushan was trying to get someones answer to a question and he goes "the asian, er um with the hair"
Post by: sweetiepi on January 16, 2016, 09:36:31 am
The Chem and Spesh lectures were really helpful and cleared up a few topics I had trouble in!
Thanks to Matt for explaining the partial fractions better than my teacher ever taught me!
Also cheers to Thushan for explaining all the (what seems quite complex) concepts clearly!
The interactivity of these lectures made it quite fun! :)
(Even the notes are amazing!)
;D :) 8)
Post by: pika_power on January 16, 2016, 10:01:50 am
Just want to say the lectures were INCREDIBLE. I thought Matt, Lauren and Thushan were terrific (as always). They were honestly much more engaging than lecturers from those commercial companies *insert Brenden's cough here*. And there were some pretty hilarious moments with Thushan in the last Chem lecture ;)
In terms of the problems and stuff raised before, it didn't really affect my learning but I do see where you guys are coming from and hopefully it gets sorted out by the crew.
Thanks heaps AN and RMIT for being awesome!
Post by: brenden on January 16, 2016, 10:24:17 am
Long time reader, first time poster :PThanks for your kind words pika_power, I'll make sure the lecturers see them :). (Although I'm sure I won't even have to). Hope to see you posting more and at the next lecture series! (Also, come to the meet up at 1pm today, Flagstaff Gardens!)
Just want to say the lectures were INCREDIBLE. I thought Matt, Lauren and Thushan were terrific (as always). They were honestly much more engaging than lecturers from those commercial companies *insert Brenden's cough here*. And there were some pretty hilarious moments with Thushan in the last Chem lecture ;)
In terms of the problems and stuff raised before, it didn't really affect my learning but I do see where you guys are coming from and hopefully it gets sorted out by the crew.
Thanks heaps AN and RMIT for being awesome!
Post by: qazser on January 16, 2016, 10:30:18 am
Thanks for your kind words pika_power, I'll make sure the lecturers see them :). (Although I'm sure I won't even have to). Hope to see you posting more and at the next lecture series! (Also, come to the meet up at 1pm today, Flagstaff Gardens!)
Hey brenden,
Here's another suggestion, sorry if im posting too much
-maybe implement a system where active AN members get an early bird PM to book lectures,
-then previous AN lecture attendees get an early bird pm
before it is posted on facebook, so you can ensure you will have a more dedicated crowd.
Was also thinking, headstart lectures don't mean much to those disrespectful kids yesterday and on thrusday because school hasn't started therefore no pressure on results etc. Whereas, i believe the mid year lecture would garner more respect and attention, b/c its closer to the end of the course. The crowd at revision lecture would probably be the most attentive of all three.
Post by: babushka818 on January 16, 2016, 05:07:09 pm
Yeah, we've pondered many options before. I think the solution is to be more vigilant and to have people checking in on theatres and pointing out loud people. I've often "shooshed" theatres and remained in the room, and people actually stay quiet. I'm of the belief that the solution lies in simply getting better at crowd control.
Whilst I agree completely that better crowd control is definitely important for more successful lectures, I'd like to emphasise another popular concern; crowd quality really should be watched in some way. There are so many people who miss out on attending lectures who are dedicated and even if the crowds are quieter, it doesn't mean that everyone who goes actually cares. But that's easier to complain about than fix. Still, I'm of the belief that better crowds would make it easier and less necessary to have constant crowd control.
In regards to the crowd control stuff though, as seen in this thread, when you called people out, they'd shut up. Even when you were present in the lectures, generally everyone was so much better. 2 of my 3 lectures were with Thushan and in his polls, he did get pretty frustrated with some of the things that got posted that were way too inappropriate. But when you left, people started being disrespectful again. Issue here is that you can't be there in every lecture all the time making sure everyone's listening, and you shouldn't have to. I don't know, just some thoughts you can consider.
Anyway, hope you have a great trip up to Sydney :)
Post by: geminii on January 16, 2016, 07:07:08 pm
Whilst I agree completely that better crowd control is definitely important for more successful lectures, I'd like to emphasise another popular concern; crowd quality really should be watched in some way. There are so many people who miss out on attending lectures who are dedicated and even if the crowds are quieter, it doesn't mean that everyone who goes actually cares. But that's easier to complain about than fix. Still, I'm of the belief that better crowds would make it easier and less necessary to have constant crowd control.
In regards to the crowd control stuff though, as seen in this thread, when you called people out, they'd shut up. Even when you were present in the lectures, generally everyone was so much better. 2 of my 3 lectures were with Thushan and in his polls, he did get pretty frustrated with some of the things that got posted that were way too inappropriate. But when you left, people started being disrespectful again. Issue here is that you can't be there in every lecture all the time making sure everyone's listening, and you shouldn't have to. I don't know, just some thoughts you can consider.
Agreed, some of the stuff people wrote on Thushan's live polls were not appropriate. I felt really bad for him, since he was trying so hard and had put in a lot of work to deliver a lecture, and people were just disrespecting him. I do agree that although AN is awesome to allow people to come to lectures for free, a small cost should be made compulsory (like $5-20). It's MUCH less costly than other companies like TSFX and I think it's much more affordable. This would ultimately separate those who are going to the lectures just to hang out with their friends, and those who are going to actually learn something.
Post by: pi on January 16, 2016, 07:56:45 pm
It's actually unfortunately common for some people to be disrespectful during lectures. Even in TSFX lectures, which are $100+, there are still people mucking around and not taking it seriously. Regarding charging people or giving people on here the first bite, I think it's important to realise that the lectures, as Euler mentioned, have a primary goal of targeting not only the keen beans, but more-so those who are keen and ALSO can't really afford to fork out cash for lectures. Whilst in ideal world these people would all be on AN, the fact is that with Facebook advertising they're going to be a much broader reach and is more likely to catch more of these people. It's quite possible that with this strategy that there will be more people who may muck around because they find out via the mass tagging that eventually happens on AN's fb posts, but it's a free lecture and you'll have to take the good with the bad there. Best solution? Sit in the front couple of rows, you'll be far from distractions and close to the action!
Also, I don't agree with the assertion that 'people who muck around' = 'people who aren't keen' and hence don't '"deserve" to be there. Anyone who knew me in school would know that I did absolutely shit all whilst in the classroom, but was still a pretty diligent and dedicated student and took my studies seriously when I needed to. Granted, I do agree it's annoying and disrespectful, but it's something you'll have to get used to given these people will be present in other revision lectures, uni lectures, uni tutes, and in the workplace. Best to build your tolerance to them now ;)
Just my 2c :)