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VCE Stuff => VCE English Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE English & EAL => Topic started by: asapwhat on February 08, 2016, 07:27:13 pm
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yo im dumb and have trouble with coming up with sophisticated ideas for discussion/text response questions, is there a way I can practice coming up with such ideas?
thanks lads
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lollolol stfu kid ur dumb ayyy lmao
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stop cyber bullying ya dog
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LOL
THIS IS THE FUNNIEST POST LOL
With making sophisticated ideas you just gotta keep going deeper ya feel?
When you reading a prompt - ask yourself so what? Then explain it to yourself, then explain so what? -->
I.e "Director says them hoes be bitches. Do you agree?."
So what? --> Dem hoes be are poor af
So what? --> They need $$ to feed they kids so they be bitches
So what? --> It has an impact on wider society
So what? --> Gender expectations and social expectations on these hoes. they been ghetto so they expected to act ghetto
So what? --> When society places a stigma it is difficult to overcome the stigma and instead it is easier for the hoes to stay bitches
So What? --> The director states that these hoes be bitches, but only when society does not give them hoes a chance to overcome their expectations, and give them an opportunity to elude the hoe life.
Sophisticated
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LOL
THIS IS THE FUNNIEST POST LOL
With making sophisticated ideas you just gotta keep going deeper ya feel?
When you reading a prompt - ask yourself so what? Then explain it to yourself, then explain so what? -->
I.e "Director says them hoes be bitches. Do you agree?."
So what? --> Dem hoes be are poor af
So what? --> They need $$ to feed they kids so they be bitches
So what? --> It has an impact on wider society
So what? --> Gender expectations and social expectations on these hoes. they been ghetto so they expected to act ghetto
So what? --> When society places a stigma it is difficult to overcome the stigma and instead it is easier for the hoes to stay bitches
So What? --> The director states that these hoes be bitches, but only when society does not give them hoes a chance to overcome their expectations, and give them an opportunity to elude the hoe life.
Sophisticated
yo can someone tell me if this is correct btw I have no idea fam im on the same boat
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yo im dumb and have trouble with coming up with sophisticated ideas for discussion/text response questions, is there a way I can practice coming up with such ideas?
thanks lads
Firstly, Stop telling yourself you're dumb. It is easier said than done (even I have trouble doing that). It will, however increase your confidence which will help you during VCE and in the final exams.
Secondly, I will run through my process of coming up with ideas with text response prompts.
Say you have got the prompt:
"‘The characters in Insert Text Name are motivated by a mixture of powerful emotions."
1. Ask questions. You will need to challenge the prompt.
- What are the motivations of the characters? Are they emotional, do they have another motive?
- It is primarily one emotion that the characters are motivated by, or is it a mixture of emotions?
- Are these emotions powerful, or are they weak?
- Who are motivated by emotions? Are they strong?
- Why are their motivations different
And so forth. Just come up with as many as you can and write them down.
2. Answer the questions. Provide justification for your answers. Use quotes in these justifications if you can.
3. Based on the answers to these questions, some up with a contention. Ideally, for a more complex response, do not go for a straight yes or no answer, but go for a "yes but" or a "no but" answer.
4. Plan out your response. You may not need to place every answer to your question in your actual essay, but you will need to use your answers to these questions as a guide to your response.
The first time you do this, it will be very slow. Gradually, you will speed up in this type of planning.
Hopefully this helps.
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Firstly, Stop telling yourself you're dumb. It is easier said than done (even I have trouble doing that). It will, however increase your confidence which will help you during VCE and in the final exams.
Secondly, I will run through my process of coming up with ideas with text response prompts.
Say you have got the prompt:
"‘The characters in Insert Text Name are motivated by a mixture of powerful emotions."
1. Ask questions. You will need to challenge the prompt.
- What are the motivations of the characters? Are they emotional, do they have another motive?
- It is primarily one emotion that the characters are motivated by, or is it a mixture of emotions?
- Are these emotions powerful, or are they weak?
- Who are motivated by emotions? Are they strong?
- Why are their motivations different
And so forth. Just come up with as many as you can and write them down.
2. Answer the questions. Provide justification for your answers. Use quotes in these justifications if you can.
3. Based on the answers to these questions, some up with a contention. Ideally, for a more complex response, do not go for a straight yes or no answer, but go for a "yes but" or a "no but" answer.
4. Plan out your response. You may not need to place every answer to your question in your actual essay, but you will need to use your answers to these questions as a guide to your response.
The first time you do this, it will be very slow. Gradually, you will speed up in this type of planning.
Hopefully this helps.
Much appreciated
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That's great insight FallingStar.
A couple of tangential points to add -
1. Think critically about the whole prompt, not just a part thereof. Each word in a prompt has significance.
2. It doesn't really matter whether you approach the prompt with an instant preconception, or whether you form an idea after you have completed a brainstorm. If you've opted for the former, the preconception may be challenged as you start critically analysing it. However, you need at some stage to canvass the possibilities in your head and to actually pick an argument. An argument isn't necessarily tantamount to taking a side - it could be far more nuanced than that.
Take FallingStar's prompt. Your argument could be that the characters are motivated by one overriding emotion that throws them into turmoil. On the other hand, it could be a simple rejection of the prompt, i.e. the characters are not motivated by a mixture of powerful emotions. If the argument is the latter, your essay might be composed of body paragraphs that simply pick on one or each element of the prompt, e.g. the aspects that pivot on the word "powerful" or "mixture". The possibilities are often great.
I hope this assists in some way.