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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: iamdan08 on January 13, 2008, 01:31:22 pm
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I have heard off some people that year 11 is in actual fact harder than year 12, because in most cases you are undertaking more subjects which means more exams, more outcomes and as a result more work. Thoughts???
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Well it all depends on interpretation I suppose. What you say about workload and exams is correct, but there is a great deal of pressure in year 12 due to the external nature of exams. I also don't think year 11's adopt a mentality whereby they believe year 11 is important and therefore don't complete a great deal of work anyway (a bit of a generalisation, but it depends on the student).
I tend to think that year 12 was definately more stressful due to the necessity to gain a high ENTER, but I don't think the difficulty of the coursework was much greater when compared to the work I completed at year 11 level.
I also believe that most people don't take 1/2 sequences as seriously, as VCAA simply receive a S or N unit result. Students often breeze through year 11 due to this fact and are then in for a rude shock when their numerical markings are sent directly to VCAA for the purpose of study score calculation.
I worked pretty hard in year 11 because I'm a fairly studious individual, so I didn't necessarily find the work that much harder in year 12. Despite this, the times surrounding SACs and exams were mega stressful!
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...then in for a rude shock when their numerical markings are sent directly to VCAA for the purpose of study score calculation.
Not quite accurate, but the gist is there.
Your ranking in the moderation group is sent into VCAA, not a 'raw' mark as such.
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no way year 12 is a hell of a lot more work...
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I do know many people who breezed right through year 11 and then got quite a shock when it came to results time because they expected to do better. I think people tend to underestimate the general intelligence of the state-wide cohort, they're all much smarter than you think ;)
So in that way, year 12 is harder, because you're competing against super geniuses.
For me, year 11 and year 12 had roughly the same amount of work, but I actually think I was more stressed out in year 11 because I was very stressed for my 3/4 subject because I had no idea what to expect. I probably worked as hard in year 12, but I wasn't as stressed about it.
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yes but if you think about it, many of the super super geniuses and the very intelligent few will be obtaining ENTERs of around the 98's+ which then leaves the majority of the other scores to fairly intelligent people and just smart students. So if you think about it, if you do well generally and you are a hard worker, you'll expect to get over 85+ without much trouble as there would'nt be much competition below this score because many of the really really really smart people at the far end of the cohort leaving the general intelligent people to obtain the rest of the high ENTERs and the mid to low ENTERs to the average student.
that's my view of how well a student will do depending on their intelligence.
oh yer and eriny your one of those super super smart people so ;) you would expect yr 12 not to be much different to yr 11 for you considering you brought home 98.4
wow!
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lol that made no sense, and i'm going to assume that you made a lot of assumptions ;D
there is always going to be competition...
from what i have read before, ENTER is just ranking of you vs state, and the actual aggregates are normally distributed...
which means at both ends ridiculously small amount of deviations in ENTER could result in very different aggregates [/exaggeration]
but doesnt matter where you are, there's always going to be competition
generalisations and assumptions about a cohort is not a source that you should trust your predictions upon, I know many "fairly intelligent" and "just smart" people who got < 80...
the best thing is to try with everything you've got, at the end of the day you really only have one shot at it (unless ur a total NuTcAsE) ;D
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as i said, my view so clearly it's an assumption :D but oh well could be true!
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...then in for a rude shock when their numerical markings are sent directly to VCAA for the purpose of study score calculation.
Not quite accurate, but the gist is there.
Your ranking in the moderation group is sent into VCAA, not a 'raw' mark as such.
Yes that's correct, the scores are used on the basis of ranking. Despite this, your teacher still sends your raw scores to VCAA and then VCAA moderate the scores accordingly, as well as utilise the scores as a ranking.
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I have heard off some people that year 11 is in actual fact harder than year 12, because in most cases you are undertaking more subjects which means more exams, more outcomes and as a result more work. Thoughts???
i did more work in yr11 than yr12, but that's basically for the reasons you state.
- did two 3/4s in yr11, plus five 1/2s i think
- did four 3/4s in yr12 plus UMEP maths, and one of my 3/4s (music) was my seventh subject and an obvious throwaway so i spent no time on it
i certainly found yr11 more stressful than yr12 because i didn't have millions of free periods. but i'm probably in the minority on FSN...
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i didnt do any homework for my 1/2s and did minimal studying for my exams and got at least As for them. focus on your 3/4s but dont entirely neglect your 1/2s
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No. It isn't. Year 11 doesn't count, it doesn't matter as much - you just need to keep up. It helps if you can learn by osmosis (dcc taught me this phrase today :))
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Yes, Coblins right, year 11 doesn't matter as much, but it is still important to do enough work in order to get a firm grounding for 3/4.
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I have heard off some people that year 11 is in actual fact harder than year 12, because in most cases you are undertaking more subjects which means more exams, more outcomes and as a result more work. Thoughts???
No.
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For the majority, I was actually more stressed and did more consistent work in year 11 than in year 12, probably because I kinda knew what to expect in year 12, plus all the free periods that we had at school :). However if I didnt have the hard working mindset I had in year 11, theres no doubt that year 12 would have given me a lot more stress than it actually did.
It helps if you can learn by osmosis (dcc taught me this phrase today :))
Sif u need to learn by osmosis :P.
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Who made up that gobbledygook?
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Who made up that gobbledygook?
that "gobbledygook" sounds terribly familiar....
EDIT: i now remember, the ancestor race of chicken invented by coblin in an evolution debate about chicken/egg.... ;D ;D gobbledygook LOL
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No. It isn't. Year 11 doesn't count, it doesn't matter as much - you just need to keep up. It helps if you can learn by osmosis (dcc taught me this phrase today :))
Huh, what's learning by osmosis?
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Osmosis is defined as: a subtle or gradual absorption
To learn by osmosis is to learn like that. It means that you don't really need to do a whole lot of repetition and studying to learn your material.
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Ahmad reckoned that it had something to do with liquid going through membranes.
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Ahmad reckoned that it had something to do with liquid going through membranes.
yeh in biology osmosis is the transfer of water through semipermeable membranes
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yes... that.
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It depends on the person. Year eleven was probably somewhat hard for me but I had a few personal issues at the start of the year which put a lot of extra stress on me. I worked my ass off in year 11 to block out these problems and found that I was putting everything into school. By the time Year 12 came around and the other problems weren't as big I realised that VCE wasn't the be all, end all. At the start of Year 12, I needed 96 to get into the course I wanted to do. I could have achieved it but I decided I didn't want to do what I did in Year 11 to get it. I'm not naturally a genius and I would have had to sacrifice so much to get that score and I wasn't prepared to do it. I changed my mind completely on what I wanted to do and only needed 76 to get into the relevant course. I was so much more relaxed in Year 12 than I was in Year 11 because the pressure was off. I still studied and did more work than the average student but I didn't sacrifice my job or my weekends.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, Year 11 and Year 12 can be as hard or as easy as you want it to be. You are obviously somewhat committed to achieving a good score because you're on a VCE forum in the middle of January. You put the work in and you'll get good results. Yes, there are more subjects in Year 11 than Year 12, but the Unit 1 & 2 results don't matter. It will significantly assist you to understand what's going on, and if you put effort in Year 11, you won't notice the extra workload in Year 12 but in reality you just need to pass.
The only way I think people struggle in Year 11 is if you had a 'fuck school' approach in Year 10 and then in Year 11 decided it was time to care about it. Those are the people who struggle in Year 11 because they have never opened a text book outside of school walls before!
I've rambled a lot here! Sorry!
My advice is to find a balance between school, work and your social life. Make sure you don't lose your friends within school and those who aren't because you need people around you when things don't go right. No point getting 99.95 if you have no friends to celebrate it with!
Good luck :)
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It depends on the person. Year eleven was probably somewhat hard for me but I had a few personal issues at the start of the year which put a lot of extra stress on me. I worked my ass off in year 11 to block out these problems and found that I was putting everything into school. By the time Year 12 came around and the other problems weren't as big I realised that VCE wasn't the be all, end all. At the start of Year 12, I needed 96 to get into the course I wanted to do. I could have achieved it but I decided I didn't want to do what I did in Year 11 to get it. I'm not naturally a genius and I would have had to sacrifice so much to get that score and I wasn't prepared to do it. I changed my mind completely on what I wanted to do and only needed 76 to get into the relevant course. I was so much more relaxed in Year 12 than I was in Year 11 because the pressure was off. I still studied and did more work than the average student but I didn't sacrifice my job or my weekends.
I guess what I'm trying to say is, Year 11 and Year 12 can be as hard or as easy as you want it to be. You are obviously somewhat committed to achieving a good score because you're on a VCE forum in the middle of January. You put the work in and you'll get good results. Yes, there are more subjects in Year 11 than Year 12, but the Unit 1 & 2 results don't matter. It will significantly assist you to understand what's going on, and if you put effort in Year 11, you won't notice the extra workload in Year 12 but in reality you just need to pass.
The only way I think people struggle in Year 11 is if you had a 'fuck school' approach in Year 10 and then in Year 11 decided it was time to care about it. Those are the people who struggle in Year 11 because they have never opened a text book outside of school walls before!
I've rambled a lot here! Sorry!
My advice is to find a balance between school, work and your social life. Make sure you don't lose your friends within school and those who aren't because you need people around you when things don't go right. No point getting 99.95 if you have no friends to celebrate it with!
Good luck :)
Well said!!! :)
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simple explanation of 'learning by osmosis':
Putting a book next to your head, and hoping that all the information in the book transfers itself into your brain. Excellent in theory, but is wishful thinking :P.
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simple explanation of 'learning by osmosis':
Putting a book next to your head, and hoping that all the information in the book transfers itself into your brain. Excellent in theory, but is wishful thinking :P.
I used to always have this thing where I'd put my notes under my pillow the day before a test or exam. I usually got good results, but that may be because I actually studied. More research needs to be done in this area :P
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simple explanation of 'learning by osmosis':
Putting a book next to your head, and hoping that all the information in the book transfers itself into your brain. Excellent in theory, but is wishful thinking :P.
Not really. Learning by osmosis is just having the natural ability to absorb information presented to you without much effort. I have heard that George W. Bush has such an ability (i.e.: doesn't read newspapers or literature, but when talking with policy advisers, he grasps the concept quickly) although it must have kicked in after his general education.
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what if i tried taping the methods 3+4 to my head? Would that work? Would I get 50?
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It's worth a shot.
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what if i tried taping the methods 3+4 to my head? Would that work? Would I get 50?
You might get bashed.
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fucking rad idea brother
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I'd bash druudles if i saw him walking around with maths on his head
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then i'd cry and you would take me home and nurse me
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Most certainly druudle