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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Health sciences => Topic started by: pi on February 18, 2016, 09:35:59 pm
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Not sure if many people on AN are keen on med, but thought I'd post this here regardless ;)
Monash is introducing its MD program in 2017. Both undergraduate and graduate-entry students will receive a BMedSc qualification from the Y1/2/A component + part of 3B, and the MD from 3B/4C/5D. Only Monash course applicants will be accepted for the graduate-entry pathway, the majority being from BBiomed and a minority from BSc, BPhysio and BPharmacy.
The only real changes to curriculum will be:
- replacement of the elective with a scholarly intensive unit (research) in final year (ie. like UoM's stint but shorter)
- strengthening of the EBCP (evidence based clinical practice) component in 3rd year to prepare students for the scholarly intensive, plus some streamlining of the 1st and 2nd year theme II to match that
- strengthening of the patient safety curriculum in final year - this will constitute major summative assessment, so 4th year won't be quite the 'final hurdle' as it currently is
I'll post an official link when I get one (although the change is confirmed here), but until then, stay safe and don't do drugs xox
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What are the prerequisites? Am I correct to assume that I'm out?
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Not sure if many people on AN are keen on med
m8 where have you been?
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m8 where have you been?
There was heavy sarcasm in that :P
What are the prerequisites? Am I correct to assume that I'm out?
Yeah you'd be out :/
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Will MBBS remain?
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Finally Monash buckled to the trends.
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Will MBBS remain?
Nah I'm just doing 6 years of uni for fun :)
But seriously, it ends when the class of 2020 graduates, so the class of 2021 will all get their shiny MD. Very similar to what UoM did a few years back without adding time to the degree. Also BMedSc is distinct from BMedSc(Hons) which is still a full research year... Very confusing.
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So when I apply next year pt and get in - o lawd please have my back man Im a good guy xx <3 - will I be doing mbbs or the new program? Because from what I've heard my year is the last year on the MBBS program?
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So when I apply next year pt and get in - o lawd please have my back man Im a good guy xx <3 - will I be doing mbbs or the new program? Because from what I've heard my year is the last year on the MBBS program?
It's not clear. My sources suggest 2017 entry may be the first year, but I've heard conflicting information. Time will tell and med will be med. Nothing to really worry about, I only really posted here as a curiosity more than anything :)
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It's not clear. My sources suggest 2017 entry may be the first year, but I've heard conflicting information. Time will tell and med will be med. Nothing to really worry about, I only really posted here as a curiosity more than anything :)
ooh - from what I've heard there'll be less undergrad spots (or none if any? ) but i my sources aren't monash sooo dont know how credible they are.
as long as same opportunities to get in im all g
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Yeah who really knows. I highly doubt Monash will give up its undergrad spots given the apparent "higher quality" of school leavers that they've been getting ever since UoM went the way of the Melbourne Model (and probably more-so now that Chancellor's won't have their pre-uni interview!). I think the fact that hospitals which traditionally hired UoM grads are now hiring more and more Monash grads probably reflects that, or so I'm told. It's the #1 preference med school for the vast majority of Victorians (and probably the most desired med school along with UNSW in Australia) and I think it'd like to stay that way :P
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Yeah who really knows. I highly doubt Monash will give up its undergrad spots given the apparent "higher quality" of school leavers that they've been getting ever since UoM went the way of the Melbourne Model (and probably more-so now that Chancellor's won't have their pre-uni interview!). I think the fact that hospitals which traditionally hired UoM grads are now hiring more and more Monash grads probably reflects that, or so I'm told. It's the #1 preference med school for the vast majority of Victorians (and probably the most desired med school along with UNSW in Australia) and I think it'd like to stay that way :P
yeah but undergrad --> post grad = $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
and we all know $$$$$$$$ trumps quality any day (hope im not being ignorant here)
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Yeah that's true, but I'd like to think they'd value "higher quality" school leavers over doing what UoM did. Perhaps I'm being wildly optimistic.
Either way, at the end of the day, I don't really care haha :P As I said, just a curiosity for me :P
edit: also with your post response times, you must be the keenest AN-er for med I have ever seen!
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Yeah that's true, but I'd like to think they'd value "higher quality" school leavers over doing what UoM did. Perhaps I'm being wildly optimistic.
Either way, at the end of the day, I don't really care haha :P As I said, just a curiosity for me :P
edit: also with your post response times, you must be the keenest AN-er for med I have ever seen!
Aha let's hope this eagerness translates into getting in :P - because interest and capability is not measured in your exam scores!
I should probably spend less time on AN and more time studying
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Yeah you'd be out :/
Cheers mate.
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Will MBBS remain?
The way things are going...I doubt it. The MBBS is Monash's baby, there is no way they are going to destroy that in order to 'get with the times'...I have a feeling this was just their reciprocation to UoM's MD play a few years back. Now Monash will be known as a med school with options, unlike UoM which cut their undergrad program a while back.
However, it depends on what Monash want; money or reputation. If they scrap MBBS and focus on MD, they can increase places, and thus make more money as students spend a little while longer in university, however, scrapping MBBS would just make everyone think they are trying to play copycat with UoM.
I'm probably wrong with some stuff here...what do you guys think?
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Will this mean anything for 2016 first year students? (e.g. they're not going to make us do an extra year or something?)
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Will this mean anything for 2016 first year students? (e.g. they're not going to make us do an extra year or something?)
Nope. Shouldn't effect you at all. If anything, they'll do anything to pass you so you don't get mixed with the MDs :P (as happened for the last MBBS graduating class in UoM - virtually impossible to fail!)
The way things are going...I doubt it. The MBBS is Monash's baby, there is no way they are going to destroy that in order to 'get with the times'...I have a feeling this was just their reciprocation to UoM's MD play a few years back. Now Monash will be known as a med school with options, unlike UoM which cut their undergrad program a while back.
However, it depends on what Monash want; money or reputation. If they scrap MBBS and focus on MD, they can increase places, and thus make more money as students spend a little while longer in university, however, scrapping MBBS would just make everyone think they are trying to play copycat with UoM.
I'm probably wrong with some stuff here...what do you guys think?
There will be no MBBS at Monash (eventually). Undergrad course is still 5 years, just getting a cheeky rebranding.
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Nope. Shouldn't effect you at all. If anything, they'll do anything to pass you so you don't get mixed with the MDs :P (as happened for the last MBBS graduating class in UoM - virtually impossible to fail!)
Sweet. :)
Out of curiosity, does this mean for the new curriculum, they all get BMedSci then?
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There will be no MBBS at Monash (eventually). Undergrad course is still 5 years, just getting a cheeky rebranding.
Wouldn't the MD pathway be like 3 years minimum undergrad + 5 year MD?
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Sweet. :)
Out of curiosity, does this mean for the new curriculum, they all get BMedSci then?
BMedSci, but not BMedSci(Hons). The nomenclature is confusing at best atm.
Wouldn't the MD pathway be like 3 years minimum undergrad + 5 year MD?
Nope.
2.5 year BMedSci + 3 (one semester overlap?) MD is undergrad-entry. 5 years total.
3 year bachelors + 4 year MD is graduate-entry. 7 years total.
Or that's my take on it.
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Don't really know if this helps, but UNSW recently changed from MBBS to MD ( 2 years ago if I remember correctly). Everyone was given the option to graduate with MD, even though we entered under the MBBS system.
Ultimately, we graduate with BMed/MD. (Bachelor of medical studies and Doctor of Medicine). If you get into honours ( which is the top 30 of cohort) you graduate with BMed/Bsc(Med)Hons/MD following a more intensive research year.
Basically what I'm trying to say is not everyone gets honours but we all get the option to choose if we want to graduate with MBBS or MD (: - if you entered before 2014. As depending on your country MBBS maybe be preferred over MD still etc etc.
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I think that might happen at Monash too, contrary to what I said before. It's likely that the class of 2020 (or 2019 if graduate-entry) will be moved to the MD. But I don't think they'll do what UNSW did and move everyone across.
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I think that might happen at Monash too, contrary to what I said before. It's likely that the class of 2020 (or 2019 if graduate-entry) will be moved to the MD. But I don't think they'll do what UNSW did and move everyone across.
Any idea when we'll be able to get a confirmation on this?? Also, if it doesn't mean anything (like equal accreditation), why would they change it to MD?
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Any idea when we'll be able to get a confirmation on this?? Also, if it doesn't mean anything (like equal accreditation), why would they change it to MD?
A MBBS is only a level 7 in the Australian Qualification Framework while a MD is a level 9.
http://www.aqf.edu.au/aqf/in-detail/aqf-levels/
Probably a more accurate reflection on the standard. Older doctors aren't too happy though! As MD means something different to them :P
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Any idea when we'll be able to get a confirmation on this?? Also, if it doesn't mean anything (like equal accreditation), why would they change it to MD?
A MBBS is only a level 7 in the Australian Qualification Framework while a MD is a level 9.
http://www.aqf.edu.au/aqf/in-detail/aqf-levels/
Probably a more accurate reflection on the standard. Older doctors aren't too happy though! As MD means something different to them :P
Above link is correct, but interpretation is off slightly. Monash MBBS(Hons) is a level 8. Regardless, in reality, hospitals know (and this is in writing via an AMSA policy) that there is no practical difference regarding MBBS(Hons) vs MD (each being 'primary medical qualifications'), and thus, there is no preferential treatment either way in regards to awarding internships.
The change is probably because:
1) Monash can boost accreditation in 5 years so why not (eat your heart out 7 year UoM MD!!)
2) To follow what's trending
3) There's no doubt some monetary gain somewhere for someone
Personally, given having a level 9 is nothing more than a feel-good compared to a level 8, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I like having the MBBS, it represents more tradition and in a country of mainstream MDs, it's like getting a shiny Pokemon :D
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Dunno how legit this is but there's talk of deakin going bmbs -> MD as well
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Dunno how legit this is but there's talk of deakin going bmbs -> MD as well
Wouldn't be surprised. Might as well get to "level 9" even if practically it means nothing :P
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Above link is correct, but interpretation is off slightly. Monash MBBS(Hons) is a level 8. Regardless, in reality, hospitals know (and this is in writing via an AMSA policy) that there is no practical difference regarding MBBS(Hons) vs MD (each being 'primary medical qualifications'), and thus, there is no preferential treatment either way in regards to awarding internships.
The change is probably because:
1) Monash can boost accreditation in 5 years so why not (eat your heart out 7 year UoM MD!!)
2) To follow what's trending
3) There's no doubt some monetary gain somewhere for someone
Personally, given having a level 9 is nothing more than a feel-good compared to a level 8, it doesn't bother me in the slightest. I like having the MBBS, it represents more tradition and in a country of mainstream MDs, it's like getting a shiny Pokemon :D
MBBS alone is level 7, MBBS (Hons) as you said is level 8, MD is level 9.
Some universities only offer MBBS without Hons. My bad for not referring to MBBS (Hons) for Monash.
In Australia there's no difference between MBBS and MD. But according to doctors in hospital, there is a difference when you apply overseas for jobs or for further education overseas (As the standard of qualification is different)- which is why they advised most of us to switch over to MD when there was a choice.
Also Universities are looked at when applying overseas for jobs. Overall UoM/UoS has a longer history compared to Monash or UNSW. UoM is also ranked higher compared to Monash for Medicine. Again, in Australia it really doesn't matter. But overseas they do take into consideration the University we graduated in. (I have family members in the Selection Boards for USA and Singapore (: )
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I think you'll find that when people tend to work overseas, which is most commonly during their Fellowship (ie. after passing all their registrar exams and training requirements), the medical school they went to doesn't really mean anything. I guess if for some reason you wanted to leave Australia earlier than that, something which would be irrelevant to 99% of domestic graduates, then it might matter :)
Rankings aren't a reflection on the quality of primary medical degrees, but are rather determined by research the Faculty pumps out. It's not surprising the oldest medical schools have the higher rankings... they've been around for longer, it would be very odd to expect anything else. My understanding, is that again for Fellowships, it's largely a moot point. What you've done, which hospitals you have worked in, and who you've met along the way play the big roles in getting these overseas Fellowship stints. Granted, I don't have any family in the area and am just drawing conclusions on a few convos with consultants I've had along my own journey.
UoM and USyd do try and emphasise these things. And I really think they're over-emphasised to the point of exaggeration. Ultimately, and like any uni, they want the best students; and if the lure of "but hey guys it helps for some select overseas countries who have MDs implemented in them" convinces a small percentage, then good job on marketing for them!
So I guess it's fair to say, that for purposes of the vast majority of domestic students, it has absolutely no implications whatsoever! :)
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Dunno how legit this is but there's talk of deakin going bmbs -> MD as well
Deakin med is grad entry so already more aligned with MD.
Monash would cause quite a stir if they can get approval for the school-leaver entry MBBS to become MD (while staying as 5yr).
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I think you'll find that when people tend to work overseas, which is most commonly during their Fellowship (ie. after passing all their registrar exams and training requirements), the medical school they went to doesn't really mean anything. I guess if for some reason you wanted to leave Australia earlier than that, something which would be irrelevant to 99% of domestic graduates, then it might matter :)
Rankings aren't a reflection on the quality of primary medical degrees, but are rather determined by research the Faculty pumps out. It's not surprising the oldest medical schools have the higher rankings... they've been around for longer, it would be very odd to expect anything else. My understanding, is that again for Fellowships, it's largely a moot point. What you've done, which hospitals you have worked in, and who you've met along the way play the big roles in getting these overseas Fellowship stints. Granted, I don't have any family in the area and am just drawing conclusions on a few convos with consultants I've had along my own journey.
UoM and USyd do try and emphasise these things. And I really think they're over-emphasised to the point of exaggeration. Ultimately, and like any uni, they want the best students; and if the lure of "but hey guys it helps for some select overseas countries who have MDs implemented in them" convinces a small percentage, then good job on marketing for them!
So I guess it's fair to say, that for purposes of the vast majority of domestic students, it has absolutely no implications whatsoever! :)
I agree that the University rankings are based on research (which was what I found out last year and was quite surprised haha). But it does add to the prestige of the University, the name, and the recognition overseas (More people would recognise e.g Sydney University compared to UNSW- because of a longer reputation, and also- the capital of the state)
Ultimately I do agree with you that in Australia (at this stage), the difference between a MBBS degree and a MD degree does not matter. However, with the growing number of medical students and medical schools- I believe this might be a contributing factor, in the future, when selecting doctors.
Yep! I was talking about Fellowship programs! Especially if it is an especially popular overseas program with multiple applicants from various countries. The type of qualification then would matter (along with your leadership community involvement, research etc etc) as they would have to pick your application among thousands that applied. It would also matter as compared to someone who graduated with a Masters degree (MD), MBBS is still a bachelor degree.
Internationally, it is recognised as a different level of qualification. You could try look it up but based on an enquiry I shot off to a few universities last year, there was a difference!
I think all Unis try to pull out their guns when luring the best students. Monash and UNSW do it too with their hey 5 -6 year programs, undergraduate, you get two degrees too! :P which is quite a good deal considering you won't get the same stress and uncertainty for GAMSAT!
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However, with the growing number of medical students and medical schools- I believe this might be a contributing factor, in the future, when selecting doctors.
Out of interest, care to share why? :P
Yep! I was talking about Fellowship programs! Especially if it is an especially popular overseas program with multiple applicants from various countries. The type of qualification then would matter (along with your leadership community involvement, research etc etc) as they would have to pick your application among thousands that applied.
In the highly unlikely event that two candidates are the same on everything other than medical school, then sure it might matter. But doubt that could ever be possible :P Just like UNSW didn't ask you for you NAPLAN results, Fellowships aren't awarded on the basis of medical school :) (I think we may just have to agree to disagree on this one, even though Fellowships are a loooooong way away for either of us yet!)
I think all Unis try to pull out their guns when luring the best students. Monash and UNSW do it too with their hey 5 -6 year programs, undergraduate, you get two degrees too! :P which is quite a good deal considering you won't get the same stress and uncertainty for GAMSAT!
Agreed for sure, unis are after all, businesses. I'd hate to be the faculty folks in UoM and USyd who are now seeing Monash and UNSW 'get to their level' and also now get the crème de la crème of school leavers, oh how the tables have turned hahaha :P
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Out of interest, care to share why? :P
In the highly unlikely event that two candidates are the same on everything other than medical school, then sure it might matter. But doubt that could ever be possible :P Just like UNSW didn't ask you for you NAPLAN results, Fellowships aren't awarded on the basis of medical school :) (I think we may just have to agree to disagree on this one, even though Fellowships are a loooooong way away for either of us yet!)
Agreed for sure, unis are after all, businesses. I'd hate to be the folks in UoM and USyd who are now seeing Monash and UNSW 'get to their level' and also now get the crème de la crème of school leavers, oh how the tables have turned hahaha :P
Because there are going to be too many of us haha. We are already facing an Internship crisis (except for rural areas), we have new medical schools coming up (Curtin for example, Macquarie possibly in the future), international students that graduate locally do not have an internship position and each year there is a larger intake of medical students! We need doctors, yes- But already doctors are feeling the pinch with getting into specialities. There isn't enough places for everyone. Sooner or later, unless the government does something, it would hit the intern level! Too many university graduates but too few positions ): Medicine is probably going to end up like other fields (but at a much slower rate).
NAPLAN is not a qualified result (: You can't use your NAPLAN result to apply internationally. In fact, most countries don't use NAPLAN testing. Meanwhile your HSC/VCE certification is a qualification. The same as your university degree as a qualification that is internationally recognised (compared to the NAPLAN). Fellowships are not fully awarded on the basis of medical schools, but I believe they do have a contributing factor! We probably would not get to the point where we have two equally matched doctors for a Fellowship as there are too many applicants haha, especially with the coming years @_@ Ok haha lets disagree :P :P :P :P :P :P
sorry for being so passive aggressive! :P
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(edit: this is all rather off-topic, but I don't really care because it's interesting LOL)
The internship 'crisis' is an interesting issue, mainly because I don't see it as the real crisis right now.
Personally, whilst I do feel sorry for those missing out, I also don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that they did, as cruel as it sounds. Medicine is now following the way of basically every other over-saturated degree. As someone who does realistically expect to one day be a patient of a hospital in the (hopefully very distant) future, it bothers me a great deal that the old joking notion of "what do we call the person who comes last in med school? a doctor" is actually not a joke at all, but is instead the truth. I'd feel reassured as a patient knowing that my doctor was got grades good enough to be one, and wasn't there just because of some guarantee. Getting into med school shouldn't be the hard part, that should be the easiest part; with guaranteed jobs that's just not the case and I don't think that's right.
To draw comparisons, the person who scrapes through with P's (passes, 50-59%) in law school won't become a lawyer (and let's ignore all those 0.00000001%'ers who pull off the miraculous and inspirational to get somewhere from nowhere), similarly the person who scrapes through with P's in a science degree won't get a job in a lab. So in this regard, I think it's perfectly ok for us to weed out the weaker graduates early. However, I'm unaware of any Australian studies correlating med school marks with performance as a practitioner, but that would certainly alter my stance on this issue.
Having said that, by all reports, Australia does need more doctors. So it's an interesting conundrum, and I think the responsibility lies with both the Govt and with the Colleges to try and solve the issues. There's no use having interns who can't get training spots, so I don't see raising intern spots as a big priority. I see the priority as fixing the more serious bottleneck later in training: during registrar years, advanced training, fellowship. Instead of fixing from the bottom-up, I'd prefer a solution starting at the top. For example, created more AT spots in rural areas, get the specialists, albeit specialists in training, to those areas of need. Give more people a chance to climb the ladder, not give more people a chance to be stranded at the bottom of the ladder.
(not touching the Fellowship thing again, but I don't think either of us are super well informed on it hahahaha :P and NAPLAN was an analogy, if it was a perfect fit it wouldn't be an analogy :P)
sorry for being so passive aggressive! :P
Not at all, always a pleasure to hear from our colleagues who are on the wrong side of the Victorian-NSW border :P (/cheek)
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Just remaining on pi's tangent, and keeping the flow going. I can say I have no preference towards the process and whether universities want to limit entry to their own graduates (basically it is what it is, accept it and if you really want it you'll find a way in).
Unfortunately, the issue is that not all student apply will get in. That doesn't mean however you shouldn't try your hardest (a positive attitude and staying focussed is imperative).
Undoubtedly the Monash "50 spots" program has attracted many more high achievers, with plenty students in my course boasting a 97+ ATAR and some with 99+. Granted this, a precautionary piece of advice I would give to any Year 12 considering this pathway is to assess your options, and assess them very carefully. You will always here the classic "Which is better for Med, Biomed or Science debate?" - in reality the response is not black and white. I've remained quite silent on the forums in regard to my opinion about this topic, but a consistent theme on the forum is the former question.
Now I'm going to give a real anecdotal example of the culture among students in Biomedicine. If you want 95% of your conversations with your peers to be about the Medical school application process, it's perfect for you! Without too much into it, as I'm sure you can understand, many Biomed students are students who missed out on the undergrad pathway, and granted this, some are very salty, with comments being flown around "oh I got 99.XX and didn't get in" - yes ATAR is still a topic even until the end of 2nd year. The harsh reality is there is no off switch and it becomes this incessant culture of "I must get into medicine and make sure that I beat everyone".
Take my advice with a grain of salt, but if you're up to experience that on a day-to-day basis then go for it. I've heard many students drop very hurtful comments about Science students and how they are apparently "not at intelligent" as Biomed students. This is something I was shocked to hear at first, but then you get used to hearing it and it doesn't become any less disgusting every time you hear those comments made.
To any Year 12 considering this pathway, I have no issues with this vertical pathway that has been established. The curriculum is awesome and I've enjoyed almost every Biomed unit, and they're always trying to incorporate clinical stuff. I have no issues whatsoever with Monash now limiting entry to their graduates, that was their decision and there are a myriad of factors involved in that decision making process.
The crux of this post is aimed at Year 12's who keep asking the question "Is biomed better for med?". Ultimately no one but yourself can answer that question, if you want flexibility in your degree then Science is the way to go. Biomed is a valid option in terms of its academic standing, and the manner in which the course is taught; however, the culture is slightly uncomforting in my own experience. Just to confirm however, not all students are like this.
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I have no issues whatsoever with Monash now limiting entry to their graduates, that was their decision and there are a myriad of factors involved in that decision making process.
Didn't you also mention that you'd be shattered if Melbourne made their MD direct entry only in the unimelb thread? Would you have any issues if/when Melbourne does the same as Monash?
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Didn't you also mention that you'd be shattered if Melbourne made their MD direct entry only in the unimelb thread? Would you have any issues if/when Melbourne does the same as Monash?
Monash can limit to their grads since it's entry to an undergrad course, just an extension of the 1st-year or 2nd-year "internal transfer" practice. Afaik no uni has been irrational enough to do this with any postgrad courses and unlikely any will be.
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Hey, so now that there isn't an undergraduate program for Monash and other schools like UNSW have taken it away too, what courses still require the UMAT? Is there still a point in taking it? (For Class of 2017 students).
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I was under the impression Monash would still be using the UMAT, but if you've heard differently then that is interesting. Your best bet to answer your question is to look at the ACER UMAT2017 Information Booklet when it is released later this year (and again when you are in year 12). No rush though :)
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this might help :))
http://www.med.monash.edu.au/medicine/admissions/documents/2017-domestic-brochure.pdf
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Hey, so now that there isn't an undergraduate program for Monash and other schools like UNSW have taken it away too, what courses still require the UMAT? Is there still a point in taking it? (For Class of 2017 students).
There is still an undergrad program at Monash its just called Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine (MD) now and still takes 5 years. The grad version is also called Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine (MD) and takes 4 years.
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Ah, I was under the impression the undergrad monash med pathway would be taken away as a whole and switched to the program such as the one at melbourne uni, thanks for clearing that up :)
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Monash is currently getting "better" school leavers (ie. school leavers with higher ATARs) than they did when Monash and UoM both had the MBBS, they're not going to give that up so easily ;)
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Does anyone have any new info on whether the Class of 2020 will get the MD/BMedSci? A few of us were discussing it the other day and some people were saying that because the changes to the course take place while we're still in the pre-clin years we won't get MBBS. The new course admissions page (found http://med.monash.edu.au/medicine/admissions/direct-entry/prospective-students.html) says:
^The Bachelor of Medical Science and Doctor of Medicine (MD) will replace the Bachelor of Medicine and Bachelor of Surgery (Honours) MBBS for applicants commencing in 2017. Check the important dates page for information about dates for 2017 entry.
...which makes me think that its just the class of 2021 that it applies to, but I honestly have no idea. I know it doesn't make much difference what we graduate with but I can't help but be a little curious!
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There is a document available in one of the MUMUS groups, that to my reading, suggests you guys will be moved over to the MD.
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Do you by any chance remember which group that was? I looked through the files on MUMUS Common Room and couldn't find anything and searched the MUMUS page with no luck either.
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Do you by any chance remember which group that was? I looked through the files on MUMUS Common Room and couldn't find anything and searched the MUMUS page with no luck either.
ThinkTank.
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ThinkTank.
Cheers!
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Looks like I am part of the final MBBS(hons) grad cohort according to the document
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Is UoM really going to cancel pre-uni interview for Chancellors? Does it start from this year or next year?
I was really aiming for Chancellor because of the advantage of sitting the interview beforehand :(
Yes that is happening. Come to Monash :P
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It's not too much of a disadvantage as it is only pass/fail and anecdotally I have only ever heard of 1 person failing it (you pretty much have to be a sociopath to fail ;)).
There's definitely more than 1, and most people who fail tended to fail after the three years rather than before. I cynically attribute this to the fact that UoM has already used their mugs on all their scholarship posters and brochures, so they don't "need" them any more than any other MD candidate hahaha :P
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Latest News/Confirmation
- year 12s entering the undergraduate course in 2017 onwards will be in the MD/BMedSci course - still the UMAT/ATAR/Interview entry method
- students currently in enrolled in MBBS in the class of 2020 will be transitioned into the MD/BMedSci course in 2018 (third year) - unlikely to have the option to "opt-out"
- students in MBBS graduating in 2019 and before will remain in MBBS as Monash undergoes the teach-out process
- it is proposed that all students graduating in 2020 will be in the MD/BMedSci course whether they are returning from an intercalated BMedSci (Hons) or PhD, taken intermission or have failed - these students will also most likely have an option to "opt-out" - this area is still being finalised and being carefully monitored (the issues arising from this have been taken into consideration)
And just to reiterate the MD/BMedSci course is still 5 years and still an undergraduate course (as well as graduate course)
The only changes are to the course content within Year 3B and 5D (no elective, replaced with Scholarly Intensive)
Reason for doing this transition: implied from faculty members that it was done in order to keep up with the other medical schools in Australia (and yes, Deakin will also undergo this transition within the next year or so)
Source: I sat through a gruelling 3 hour MUMUS meeting about this
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Hey, everyone! Have any idea what ISAT score is for international student to secure a Monash medicine offer for school leavers?