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Title: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 01:05:13 pm
As we all know, the boardofstudies are heading in a direction where they plan to change our current syllabuses

Please see here for more info: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/stronger-hsc-standards/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoK4-1l-hCk&feature=youtu.be
Also please read the new syllabuses: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabuses/curriculum-development/senior-years.html

What are your thoughts?
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 01:39:02 pm
No more predicting essay questions sounded great.

They had been thinking about Extension Physics and Chemistry in a while. Looks like Extension Science was the final conclusion.

Mathematics General and 2 unit (to be renamed as Advanced) needed to be made more related. It was about time.

Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 20, 2016, 01:56:08 pm
No more predicting essay questions sounded great.

They had been thinking about Extension Physics and Chemistry in a while. Looks like Extension Science was the final conclusion.

Mathematics General and 2 unit (to be renamed as Advanced) needed to be made more related. It was about time.

I was keen to see Extension Physics, but a broader scope will be interesting! Keen to see the syllabus when it comes out next year!  ;D
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 04:27:23 pm
Apparently the reason why they are introducing extension science was to encourage more people into STEM. The thing that baffles me most was why did they think of extension physics and extension chemistry back then and come into a result of extension science rather than extension physics and extension chemistry?

I also saw yesterday on the news that all the syllabuses we're going to be reviewed for a change in them

Already with the introduction of statistics in the maths syllabus, they are going to scrape topics deemed "useless"

I am currently unaware of what they're planning to do with English, other than get rid of the area of study (I read an article on this)

I would feel sorry for the students who are sitting the first exams of the renewed syllabus as there isn't much practice exams and/or many past papers to do

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 04:47:56 pm
Apparently the reason why they are introducing extension science was to encourage more people into STEM. The thing that baffles me most was why did they think of extension physics and extension chemistry back then and come into a result of extension science rather than extension physics and extension chemistry?

I also saw yesterday on the news that all the syllabuses we're going to be reviewed for a change in them

Already with the introduction of statistics in the maths syllabus, they are going to scrape topics deemed "useless"

I am currently unaware of what they're planning to do with English, other than get rid of the area of study (I read an article on this)

I would feel sorry for the students who are sitting the first exams of the renewed syllabus as there isn't much practice exams and/or many past papers to do

Thoughts?
They can introduce Extension Physics and Extension Chemistry, but that leaves a loophole. What about Extension biology?
It was always something I had the back of my mind, just in case.

Implementing three new extension courses would be pretty hard in my opinion.

Yes. You can find the new drafting for maths here if you're interested.
Mathematics General
Mathematics Advanced and beyond
I know a lot of things that are useless and being replaced with much better stuff.

Yes. The AoS was planned to be abolished for next year. Haven't heard about it recently though.

Indeed. It's just like my cohort having virtually nothing for discovery - a bit rough. The last time this happened was in 2001 lol.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 08:00:39 pm
They can introduce Extension Physics and Extension Chemistry, but that leaves a loophole. What about Extension biology?
It was always something I had the back of my mind, just in case.

Implementing three new extension courses would be pretty hard in my opinion.

Yes. You can find the new drafting for maths here if you're interested.
Mathematics General
Mathematics Advanced and beyond
I know a lot of things that are useless and being replaced with much better stuff.

Yes. The AoS was planned to be abolished for next year. Haven't heard about it recently though.

Indeed. It's just like my cohort having virtually nothing for discovery - a bit rough. The last time this happened was in 2001 lol.

True. They would probably have to consider Earth and environmental science as well (although that isn't a popular course)

I know for a fact, they already have "senior science" which is basically a little bit of everything in science all mixed into one subject (pretty much the same thing as year 7-10 science)

Next year? I'm part of the 2017 cohort, I don't think they will be doing so by then. What are they going to replace in the AOS though or are they going to focus the modules in more depth?

Well, even though you had almost nothing for AOS discovery, you could've (I don't know what you did though so in this case I'm assuming obviously) used belonging as a guide to help you out. Basically it would've been "same same but different".
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 08:02:56 pm
True. They would probably have to consider Earth and environmental science as well (although that isn't a popular course)

I know for a fact, they already have "senior science" which is basically a little bit of everything in science all mixed into one subject (pretty much the same thing as year 7-10 science)

Next year? I'm part of the 2017 cohort, I don't think they will be doing so by then. What are they going to replace in the AOS though or are they going to focus the modules in more depth?

Well, even though you had almost nothing for AOS discovery, you could've (I don't know what you did though so in this case I'm assuming obviously) used belonging as a guide to help you out. Basically it would've been "same same but different".
Yeah. Senior Science has been around since 2001 I'm pretty sure.

They said next year but right now I'm 50% doubting their chances. The intention was to have it abolished by next year, but there hasn't been any formal announcement on this for quite a while.

Belonging was definitely used as an indicator, but having no actual past paper questions was annoying. I loathed the idea of "discovery of belonging".
This source (I forgot what) posted 3 trial papers up. I just did them for my trial study. For my HSC study, since a lot of schools (you know, James Ruse, Sydney ____ etc.) had trial papers released I tried to respond to their paper 1's.

Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 08:58:53 pm
Yeah. Senior Science has been around since 2001 I'm pretty sure.

They said next year but right now I'm 50% doubting their chances. The intention was to have it abolished by next year, but there hasn't been any formal announcement on this for quite a while.

Belonging was definitely used as an indicator, but having no actual past paper questions was annoying. I loathed the idea of "discovery of belonging".
This source (I forgot what) posted 3 trial papers up. I just did them for my trial study. For my HSC study, since a lot of schools (you know, James Ruse, Sydney ____ etc.) had trial papers released I tried to respond to their paper 1's.

Same with physics, chemistry, bio, etc. That's when the syllabuses were first reviewed (I believe) and they decided to split up into it's own branches

If the AOS was abolished then that'd be like a dream come true lol, but then we still have essays to write all under timed conditions

Hm, yeah it would've been annoying but for me I'm lucky there are resources out there to help me. Imagine if all the syllabuses were renewed, then I'd most likely find it much more difficult to write notes on Physics, chem, etc and find it more difficult to practice exams before the actual exam

That was actually a great idea back in the time when many discovery resources weren't developed

I think the main reason why they wanted to add "extension science" rather than "extension physics" or "extension chemistry" was because "science" itself is a very broad thing. If you think about physics, physics without doubt is a very broad science with it's own different branches (i.e. nuclear physics, astrophysics, etc) but "science" itself is much broader since it contains everything in "science"

Think of extension english or extension maths, maths has it's own branches like "pure mathematics, applied mathematics, statistics, calculus, probability, etc" (i.e. if they are taught at a depth beyond a high school level). English on the other hand doesn't really have its own branches (not that I know of) however it is a very broad subject. Currently in high school maths, we don't have all this "statistics" as it's own HSC subject or "probability" as it's own HSC subject either (I actually don't know why, maybe I should ask a maths teacher tommorrow and see what he says) but we have maths as it's own subject and hence we will add an extension to it since it's already a broad subject. You get me (I think I'm kind of confusing myself)

If they actually had extension science as a prelim/HSC subject then I'd most likely choose it (in addition to physics and chemistry)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 10:17:43 pm
It was split before 2001 as well. They just abolished 3U/4U science but kept (changed) 2U chemistry etc.

Lol. I would cry if the AoS got abolished in my year because hunting for marks in paper 2 is not easy for me.

Maths syllabuses are getting renewed though.


I reckon science extension will be like history extension - Only offered as an HSC course.

Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 20, 2016, 10:31:06 pm
The first cohort to sit the new HSC Exams will be the 2019 Cohort. The content will start being taught to Year 11's the year before that  ;D

EDIT: HOLY CRAP

"Review any reference to geometry in the rationales considering that there is no geometry topic in the proposed content for Mathematics."


Love the new syllabus already  ;)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 10:39:58 pm
It was split before 2001 as well. They just abolished 3U/4U science but kept (changed) 2U chemistry etc.

Lol. I would cry if the AoS got abolished in my year because hunting for marks in paper 2 is not easy for me.

Maths syllabuses are getting renewed though.


I reckon science extension will be like history extension - Only offered as an HSC course.

Hmmmm, maybe they wanted to try something new rather than do things "mainstream" and now they're planning to bring it back (i.e. extension science) as well as offer phys, chem, bio, etc all at the same time

Paper 2 is really all about essays. In order to do well in it (I think) you need to know your texts inside out as well as the analysis to it and how it relates to your rubric. Also look at different ways of responding as this gives you insight of some sort in order to attack those questions

They don't have MX2 volumes do they?

Yeah but in history extension, you do a "major project" and I don't think you would do one in extension science (basically I think of it as senior science but with extra stuff-similar to 2U maths and MX1 maths)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 10:41:04 pm
The first cohort to sit the new HSC Exams will be the 2019 Cohort. The content will start being taught to Year 11's the year before that  ;D

EDIT: HOLY CRAP

"Review any reference to geometry in the rationales considering that there is no geometry topic in the proposed content for Mathematics."


Love the new syllabus already  ;)
Calm down :P

Circle geometry is still in Ext 1 though I think.
Hmmmm, maybe they wanted to try something new rather than do things "mainstream" and now they're planning to bring it back (i.e. extension science) as well as offer phys, chem, bio, etc all at the same time

Paper 2 is really all about essays. In order to do well in it (I think) you need to know your texts inside out as well as the analysis to it and how it relates to your rubric. Also look at different ways of responding as this gives you insight of some sort in order to attack those questions

They don't have MX2 volumes do they?

Yeah but in history extension, you do a "major project" and I don't think you would do one in extension science (basically I think of it as senior science but with extra stuff-similar to 2U maths and MX1 maths)
Yeah, not a fan of essays.

The current MX2 course has a huge section on conics. Rui that was terrible. *volumes

You could say that about MX2 though - HSC only, has no major work.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 10:44:20 pm
Calm down :P

Circle geometry is still in Ext 1 though I think.Yeah, not a fan of essays.

The current MX2 course has a huge section on conics.

You could say that about MX2 though - HSC only, has no major work.

Apparent circle geometry is a "useless" topic. I don't know what they're going to replace in 3U though, or are they just going to replace nothing and just put it in?

Well, science doesn't really have a major work of it's own (my physics teacher told me a while ago, they were going to introduce a Student research project into extension physics but now since that idea has been scrapped, the SRP will be implemented in extension science)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 10:46:04 pm
Apparent circle geometry is a "useless" topic. I don't know what they're going to replace in 3U though, or are they just going to replace nothing and just put it in?

Well, science doesn't really have a major work of it's own (my physics teacher told me a while ago, they were going to introduce a Student research project into extension physics but now since that idea has been scrapped, the SRP will be implemented in extension science)
Last time I did an SRP was in Yr 10...

Circle geometry isn't as useless as some other stuff but I'll agree it's not that useful either compared to other stuff. Don't forget you can use the links i have here to look at what's in the new maths courses.
They can introduce Extension Physics and Extension Chemistry, but that leaves a loophole. What about Extension biology?
It was always something I had the back of my mind, just in case.

Implementing three new extension courses would be pretty hard in my opinion.

Yes. You can find the new drafting for maths here if you're interested.
Mathematics General
Mathematics Advanced and beyond
I know a lot of things that are useless and being replaced with much better stuff.

Yes. The AoS was planned to be abolished for next year. Haven't heard about it recently though.

Indeed. It's just like my cohort having virtually nothing for discovery - a bit rough. The last time this happened was in 2001 lol.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 10:50:56 pm
Last time I did an SRP was in Yr 10...

Circle geometry isn't as useless as some other stuff but I'll agree it's not that useful either compared to other stuff. Don't forget you can use the links i have here to look at what's in the new maths courses.

Same here haha

I still think circle geometry will be there but in "geometry"

Edit: I just realized, polynomials isn't there. I think they're scrapping out polynomials
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 10:56:48 pm
Same here haha

I still think circle geometry will be there but in "geometry"

Edit: I just realized, polynomials isn't there. I think they're scrapping out polynomials
Nope, polynomials is under functions in Ext 1 (pg21). They can't get rid of polynomials just yet lol they're too powerful.

Yeah. The fact the added in "the nature of proof" is interesting - that's including a tiny bit of discrete maths in there now.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 11:07:51 pm
Nope, polynomials is under functions in Ext 1 (pg21). They can't get rid of polynomials just yet lol they're too powerful.

Yeah. The fact the added in "the nature of proof" is interesting - that's including a tiny bit of discrete maths in there now.

Whoops my bad

They don't seem to have statistics in year 12 though and calculus to the physical world doesn't seem that indepth as it is today. They've introduced vectors in MX2 as well as rates of change. Inequalities I believe are a part of harder MX1

Also just in case you're interested, click here for the links to the new syllabuses: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabuses/curriculum-development/senior-years.html

I have also updated my original post with this link in it
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 11:21:12 pm
Holy crap that Extension 2 topic on proof. They're full on teaching logic in the course now...

Might have to actually sign up with MANSW to keep up with their changes now...
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 11:25:18 pm
Holy crap that Extension 2 topic on proof. They're full on teaching logic in the course now...

Might have to actually sign up with MANSW to keep up with their changes now...

Proof is really all about mathematical induction proof, deductive proof and the nature of proof

See page 27 here: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabuses/curriculum-development/pdf_doc/st6-maths%20ext2-draft-syl-16-v5.pdf

I actually might want to stay updated with the boardofstudies on their current syllabus changes and/or any other institution taking part in the syllabus changes
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: ssarahj on July 20, 2016, 11:25:57 pm
i know all you guys are tripping out over the maths course but I was just looking at the proposed Advanced English syllabus AND: NO MORE RELATED TEXTS (woo hoo)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 11:26:43 pm
Proof is really all about mathematical induction proof, deductive proof and the nature of proof

See page 27 here: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabuses/curriculum-development/pdf_doc/st6-maths%20ext2-draft-syl-16-v5.pdf

I actually might want to stay updated with the boardofstudies on their current syllabus changes and/or any other institution taking part in the syllabus changes
The first two are alright. It's the third one. The nature of proof is a massive change.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 11:29:38 pm
i know all you guys are tripping out over the maths course but I was just looking at the proposed Advanced English syllabus AND: NO MORE RELATED TEXTS (woo hoo)

Nah it's not just that, it's also Physics and chemistry and their so called "extension science"

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs, related texts have always been a pain

Edit: @Ruiace, they're actually getting rid of the AOS and replacing it with a common module: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabuses/curriculum-development/pdf_doc/st6-eng-adv-draft-syl-16-v5.pdf
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: jamonwindeyer on July 20, 2016, 11:29:57 pm
i know all you guys are tripping out over the maths course but I was just looking at the proposed Advanced English syllabus AND: NO MORE RELATED TEXTS (woo hoo)

If only we benefitted from this  ;)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 11:32:42 pm
If only we benefitted from this  ;)

Yeah I know, related texts have always been worse than we thought, such a time consuming activity

Jamon, when there are newcomers who need to increase their post count, refer them here and we can all discuss this topic. I love talking about these things
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 11:32:57 pm
Nah it's not just that, it's also Physics and chemistry and their so called "extension science"

YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSs, related texts have always been a pain

Edit: @Ruiace, they're actually getting rid of the AOS and replacing it with a common module: http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabuses/curriculum-development/pdf_doc/st6-eng-adv-draft-syl-16-v5.pdf
Ahh it's being replaced. That's how they intend to compare between standard and advanced.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 11:35:35 pm
Ahh it's being replaced. That's how they intend to compare between standard and advanced.

The common module for both Standard and Advanced are "reading to write"

http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabuses/curriculum-development/pdf_doc/st6-eng-std-draft-syl-16-v5.pdf
http://www.boardofstudies.nsw.edu.au/syllabuses/curriculum-development/pdf_doc/st6-eng-adv-draft-syl-16-v5.pdf

I am actually so excited about this that I'm not actually sleeping at all.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: ssarahj on July 20, 2016, 11:38:26 pm
If only we benefitted from this  ;)

agreed  :P

besides that nothing dramatic seems to be changing though with modules A and B (just how they're packaging it) but module C is being replaced with a whole creative writing thing....... i'm sure class of 2019 will have fun with that  ;)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 11:41:52 pm
Man. The good thing is that it's going to be implemented after I've learnt this stuff. The bad thing is that even then how will I know what extent the HSC goes into and how to help students out haha
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 11:42:15 pm
agreed  :P

besides that nothing dramatic seems to be changing though with modules A and B (just how they're packaging it) but module C is being replaced with a whole creative writing thing....... i'm sure class of 2019 will have fun with that  ;)

Apparently there's no prescribed text

MODULE C: THE CRAFT OF WRITING
In this module, students strengthen and extend their knowledge, skills and confidence as
accomplished writers. Students write for a range of authentic audiences and purposes using language
to convey ideas and emotions with power and precision.
Students examine and analyse at least two challenging, short prescribed texts as well as texts from
their own wide reading, as models and stimulus for the development of their own ideas and written
expression. They explore how writers of sophisticated fiction, nonfiction and poetry use language
creatively and imaginatively for a range of purposes to express insights, evoke emotion, describe the
wonder of the natural world or invite audiences to share an aesthetic vision.
Through the study of enduring, quality texts of the past as well as recognised contemporary works,
students analyse, evaluate and appreciate the versatility and power of language. Through considered
appraisal and imaginative engagement with these texts, students reflect on the complex and recursive
processes of writing to further develop their ability to apply their knowledge of textual forms and
features in their own compositions.
During the pre-writing stage, students generate and explore ideas through discussion and the
compilation of ideas and speculations. Throughout the stages of drafting and revising students
experiment with various figurative, rhetorical and linguistic devices, such as imagery, narrative voice,
characterisation, dialogue and tone. Students consider purpose and audience to carefully shape
meaning. During the editing stages students apply the conventions of syntax, spelling, punctuation
and grammar appropriately and effectively for publication.
Students have opportunities to work independently and collaboratively and to reflect, refine and
strengthen their own skills in producing highly crafted, imaginative, discursive, persuasive, and
informative texts.
Note: Students may revisit prescribed texts from other modules to enhance their experiences of
quality writing.
This module may be studied concurrently with the common module and Modules A and B.

So rather than this being a module c of "representation of texts" it's rather a creative task (something that I'm really bad at)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 11:52:02 pm
A personal experience:

Last year I was completely crazed about Sword Art Online. I had a think about my creative. I thought I wanted to push the margin of writing about fantasy - definitely do not go unrealistic, but stretch the boundaries.

Then I thought about how Asuna's life was full of discoveries. I ended up writing about a teenage girl who was virtually never exposed to the outside world until ... (it's my creative, you're not meant to know the whole synopsis ;) )
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 11:55:14 pm
Man. The good thing is that it's going to be implemented after I've learnt this stuff. The bad thing is that even then how will I know what extent the HSC goes into and how to help students out haha

Um, you could try to self learn it and through that you could help others out...
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: RuiAce on July 20, 2016, 11:56:43 pm
Um, you could try to self learn it and through that you could help others out...
Oh nah I had a look. 100% of the content I will have done at uni before the syllabus gets implemented

I just don't know what's the restriction on HSC content
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards
Post by: conic curve on July 20, 2016, 11:59:52 pm
Oh nah I had a look. 100% of the content I will have done at uni before the syllabus gets implemented

I just don't know what's the restriction on HSC content

What do you mean?
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on July 21, 2016, 12:01:24 am
Uni level questions will be substantially harder than some high school questions conic lol

And also may examine more concepts at once

Also, solid thread rename haha
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on July 21, 2016, 10:51:05 am
Uni level questions will be substantially harder than some high school questions conic lol

And also may examine more concepts at once

Also, solid thread rename haha

True

Yeah I know haha. I changed it so then it could make more sense to people who could not understand what I was talking about whenever they read the title of the thread

I think for the chemistry syllabus they are introducing moles as part of the first topic

They are having "units" and "modules" now, something we don't really have.

I don't really think we have the "history of science" anymore

Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on July 21, 2016, 10:52:43 am
True

Yeah I know haha. I changed it so then it could make more sense to people who could not understand what I was talking about whenever they read the title of the thread

I think for the chemistry syllabus they are introducing moles as part of the first topic

They are having "units" and "modules" now, something we don't really have.

I don't really think we have the "history of science" anymore
When I checked, Lavoisier, Davy and Arrhenius are still there

But otherwise yeah.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on July 21, 2016, 10:59:42 am
When I checked, Lavoisier, Davy and Arrhenius are still there

But otherwise yeah.

I don't think that they're a major part of the syllabus though. To my knowledge, they're currently in the metals module and nothing else. Is Mendeleev still there?
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on July 21, 2016, 11:00:43 am
Acid-base theories are currently in the HSC, not prelim.

I didn't mean their periodic table development if that's what you interpreted, sorry
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on July 21, 2016, 03:52:06 pm
Acid-base theories are currently in the HSC, not prelim.

I didn't mean their periodic table development if that's what you interpreted, sorry

Whoops, I'm not up to that yet hahaha

I don't think they will integrate the history of science in physics though...

Do they still have implications to society? 
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: studybuddy7777 on August 05, 2016, 07:02:50 am
Lol Im a bit late to the party so just bear with me..

I wouldve loved to do Extension Science :D Picked Senior (from Chem) thinking it would be more like all sciences but its really just a revision/bit of progression from Year 10 Science

Plus Mathematics with Reference Sheet + No geometry = heaps good!! Why couldnt these changes have happened just 3 years earlier... Oh well. Life sucks ;D
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on August 05, 2016, 10:53:43 am
Lol Im a bit late to the party so just bear with me..

I wouldve loved to do Extension Science :D Picked Senior (from Chem) thinking it would be more like all sciences but its really just a revision/bit of progression from Year 10 Science

Plus Mathematics with Reference Sheet + No geometry = heaps good!! Why couldnt these changes have happened just 3 years earlier... Oh well. Life sucks ;D

Nah feel free to come in anytime  ;D

Do you mean extension Senior science or extension physics/chemistry?

IDK they planned it to be like that
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: jakesilove on August 05, 2016, 10:57:11 am
Lol Im a bit late to the party so just bear with me..

I wouldve loved to do Extension Science :D Picked Senior (from Chem) thinking it would be more like all sciences but its really just a revision/bit of progression from Year 10 Science

Plus Mathematics with Reference Sheet + No geometry = heaps good!! Why couldnt these changes have happened just 3 years earlier... Oh well. Life sucks ;D

Very, very envious of Extension Science and many of the changes to the Maths curriculums (particularly the additions of Matrices, which almost every other state focuses on the entire year because it's pretty much all the maths you'll need for the first few years of Uni)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on August 05, 2016, 10:58:33 am
Very, very envious of Extension Science and many of the changes to the Maths curriculums (particularly the additions of Matrices, which almost every other state focuses on the entire year because it's pretty much all the maths you'll need for the first few years of Uni)
It's interesting how matrices got put in 2U

(P.S. I'm envious of physics)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on August 05, 2016, 11:00:41 am
It's interesting how matrices got put in 2U

(P.S. I'm envious of physics)

They're not putting it in 4U maths though  :'(

Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: jamonwindeyer on August 05, 2016, 11:21:14 am
They're not putting it in 4U maths though  :'(

Rightfully so! Matrices are easy once you get the hang of it, it should be a 2U method, and 4U students will still learn it ;D
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on August 05, 2016, 11:32:54 am
Rightfully so! Matrices are easy once you get the hang of it, it should be a 2U method, and 4U students will still learn it ;D
I felt matrices were harder than vectors though


Until projections onto all sorts of random stuff came in
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: jamonwindeyer on August 05, 2016, 11:46:57 am
I felt matrices were harder than vectors though
Until projections onto all sorts of random stuff came in

I mean it can get tricky, but Gaussian elimination is very intuitive, as can be matrix arithmetic if you are taught well ;D inverses and orthogonal matrices and stuff can get hairy, admittedly, but the usefulness of the methods is so beyond useful, it would have served me well to learn it way before university ;D this new syllabus is really fantastic I must say
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on August 05, 2016, 11:48:22 am
I mean it can get tricky, but Gaussian elimination is very intuitive, as can be matrix arithmetic if you are taught well ;D inverses and orthogonal matrices and stuff can get hairy, admittedly, but the usefulness of the methods is so beyond useful, it would have served me well to learn it way before university ;D this new syllabus is really fantastic I must say
Yea using Gaussian elimination seems more than fair enough, but it took a while to get used to matrix multiplication though and that sort of stuff is what I feel is better left at a 3U level

Oh of course the improvements are real
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on August 05, 2016, 01:02:08 pm
By the way how do you guys feel that simple harmonic motion is being put into 4U?
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on August 05, 2016, 01:14:00 pm
By the way how do you guys feel that simple harmonic motion is being put into 4U?
Laughed a bit. But I don't mind.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on August 05, 2016, 01:16:30 pm
Laughed a bit. But I don't mind.

What if they put binomial theorem in 4U or projectile motion?
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on August 05, 2016, 01:19:17 pm
Projectile motion in 4U is fine.

Half of the binomial theorem topic needed to be abolished. Binomial theorem proofs are useless - only the actual expansion and greatest coefficient etc. had some usage (and the latter is really debatable).
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: jamonwindeyer on August 05, 2016, 01:21:02 pm
Projectile motion in 4U is fine.

Half of the binomial theorem topic needed to be abolished. Binomial theorem proofs are useless - only the actual expansion and greatest coefficient etc. had some usage (and the latter is really debatable).

Agree with this! Teach the expansion technique itself to 2U students (not too difficult to use) and then get rid of the rest and replace it with some more useful calculus ;D
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on August 05, 2016, 03:24:07 pm
I wish they could introduce a calculus+probability based topic (like how they have calculus and trig and calculus and logs)
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: RuiAce on August 05, 2016, 04:13:18 pm
I wish they could introduce a calculus+probability based topic (like how they have calculus and trig and calculus and logs)
It's called statistics.
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on August 05, 2016, 07:14:43 pm
It's called statistics.

Is it really? I never thought of that. Mind explaining how Statistics is a combination of calculus and probability
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: jamonwindeyer on August 05, 2016, 07:28:36 pm
Is it really? I never thought of that. Mind explaining how Statistics is a combination of calculus and probability

Basically, when you stop considering your outcomes as discrete quantities (how many darts hit the bullseye) and instead consider continuous quantities (the height of someone), the quantities are called continuous random variables. For these we turn to Calculus!  ;D
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on August 05, 2016, 07:57:19 pm
Basically, when you stop considering your outcomes as discrete quantities (how many darts hit the bullseye) and instead consider continuous quantities (the height of someone), the quantities are called continuous random variables. For these we turn to Calculus!  ;D

Are there other examples of this?

When we turn to calculus, what type specifically?
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: jamonwindeyer on August 05, 2016, 08:06:31 pm
Are there other examples of this?

When we turn to calculus, what type specifically?

Yes, google 'Probability Calculus' or other similar phrases and see what you find ;D

The example I mentioned above would involve integrals to sum probabilities over certain domains ;D
Title: Re: Stronger HSC standards-future syllabus changes made by BOSTES
Post by: conic curve on August 06, 2016, 02:34:47 am
Yes, google 'Probability Calculus' or other similar phrases and see what you find ;D

The example I mentioned above would involve integrals to sum probabilities over certain domains ;D

This is what it is: http://tutorial.math.lamar.edu/Classes/CalcII/Probability.aspx

It would be great if they taught it in high school