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Title: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: brenden on November 02, 2016, 10:49:30 am
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Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: angrypotato1 on November 02, 2016, 10:52:44 am
Yeah was a tad tricker than usual imo

Surprised at the lack of normal distribution questions and Newton's method
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: calvinevox on November 02, 2016, 10:54:28 am
The last question was hard to comprehend, other were pretty ordinary.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: zfan111222 on November 02, 2016, 10:56:37 am
that exam was nothing like the past exams..... that last question was tricky... others were okay. overall it was average diffuculty
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Gromekk on November 02, 2016, 11:00:19 am
Yeah some curve balls but wasn't too bad, think i might've screwed up 7 but its only 2 marks or so
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 11:00:47 am
Only last question was difficult. What do you reckon A+ will be
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: angrypotato1 on November 02, 2016, 11:02:28 am
Only last question was difficult. What do you reckon A+ will be

3 marks dropped
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: JellyBeanz on November 02, 2016, 11:05:41 am
A+ will probs be 3-4 marks dropped
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 11:06:24 am
3 marks dropped

Sounds about right. So far I think i've lost 3-4
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Dumi on November 02, 2016, 11:08:22 am
Can you get 40+ if you lose around 2 marks in exam 1
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 11:09:15 am
Can you get 40+ if you lose around 2 marks in exam 1

Definitely. You can even lose 1 mark and get 50 by doing almost perfect on exam 2.

How did anyone go in terms of checking? I spent all my time on question 8 part a and I got no where ( though 1 mark for working) so I didn't get time to check my answers.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: adamniu on November 02, 2016, 11:12:03 am
What did you guys get for the last question? The one about whether 1/e was greater or less than the median?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jemin99 on November 02, 2016, 11:12:39 am
Can you get 40+ if you lose around 2 marks in exam 1
Lost 6 marks exam 1  still got 40+
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 11:13:57 am
What did you guys get for the last question? The one about whether 1/e was greater or less than the median?


Greater. 0 to 1/e seemed to be 12/15 when you subbed in e=5/2. Can anyone confirm.?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: dave101 on November 02, 2016, 11:14:16 am
Well fuck, I've dropped at least 9 marks
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: qazser on November 02, 2016, 11:15:03 am

Greater. 0 to 1/e seemed to be 12/15 when you subbed in e=5/2. Can anyone confirm.?

confim
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jemin99 on November 02, 2016, 11:17:01 am
Raw?
Ya i got 78/80 exam 2 and got perfect score for SAC
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: natdogg on November 02, 2016, 11:17:30 am
Yeaaaah when he said "5 minutes left" I was halfway through Q7... So I mucked up that last median question, should've been greater than.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: angrypotato1 on November 02, 2016, 11:17:48 am
What did you guys get for the last question? The one about whether 1/e was greater or less than the median?

Greater, my reasoning was kinda over complex so I'd wait for OPs solutions to be posted
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: sayy11 on November 02, 2016, 11:19:35 am
Did we have to do integration by parts for the second last question?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: qazser on November 02, 2016, 11:19:58 am
Early flicks


https://docs.google.com/document/d/1-jfMXf2DhUuVLo-wDh-h1Nh5ag4CbAdIL6Z9OHknIbs/edit
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 11:21:06 am
Raw?

The A+ changes each year. It was 33 out of 40 a few years back
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 11:21:54 am
Lost 6 marks exam 1  still got 40+

low or mid 40s? thx
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: witmax33 on November 02, 2016, 11:23:05 am
I answered the last question by proving the integral from 1/e to 1 was greater than 13/25, hence the median was >1/e. Would I lose marks for this?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: sweetcheeks on November 02, 2016, 11:24:12 am
I think I lost about 10 due to stupid mistakes. Wasn't a hard exam concept wise, I quite liked it.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jemin99 on November 02, 2016, 11:24:30 am
low or mid 40s? thx
Low-Mid, between 42 and 44 ;)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Rayzorrz on November 02, 2016, 11:25:20 am
Does anyone know if consequential marks apply for this exam? I know it does for Exam 2, not sure about Exam 1. I managed to misinterpret one of the probablity questions about the tagged/untagged sheep for part a) but managed to show adequate working + correct formulas for b) and c) using the incorrect value.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: zfan111222 on November 02, 2016, 11:26:52 am
would i lose marks if i did integration by parts (uni level) instead of antidiff by recognition on last question?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: deejay9 on November 02, 2016, 11:28:16 am
Does anyone know if consequential marks apply for this exam? I know it does for Exam 2, not sure about Exam 1. I managed to misinterpret one of the probablity questions about the tagged/untagged sheep for part a) but managed to show adequate working + correct formulas for b) and c) using the incorrect value.

I did the same thing. I accidentally wrote 16/71 instead of 16/81 and didn't realise until writing time had finished.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: angrypotato1 on November 02, 2016, 11:28:17 am
I answered the last question by proving the integral from 1/e to 1 was greater than 13/25, hence the median was >1/e. Would I lose marks for this?

What I did, sounds right
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 11:30:54 am
Any advice for studying for Exam 2 after I've done all practice exams available to me?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: BNard on November 02, 2016, 11:32:06 am
Very disappointed with my performance in that one - panicked and completely stuffed (eg 0 marks) question 8 so there goes any chance of a 40.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jemin99 on November 02, 2016, 11:33:23 am
Any advice for studying for Exam 2 after I've done all practice exams available to me?
I personally think that 90% of ur study score comes from practice, 10% from your performance on the day,
I would say just keep your condition good , and dont be stressed too much, u got this 50 mate
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: meddentdream on November 02, 2016, 11:33:46 am
So was 1/e greater or less than the median of x?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Callum@1373 on November 02, 2016, 11:35:15 am
Okay so I have verified my answers with a friend who tutors, with 40/40 on exam 1 can I drop any marks on exam 2 and get a 50+ premiers?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: dave101 on November 02, 2016, 11:35:19 am
Would 30/40 be a low A or a high B+?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 11:38:52 am
Would 30/40 be a low A or a high B+?

Mid B+ around. Not that it matters
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jemin99 on November 02, 2016, 11:39:34 am
Okay so I have verified my answers with a friend who tutors, with 40/40 on exam 1 can I drop any marks on exam 2 and get a 50+ premiers?
Last year at our school, someone dropped 1 and failed to get a premier.
Cried when i realised the fact that i have to compete with you in Specialist Maths... I will get wrecked
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 11:41:42 am
I personally think that 90% of ur study score comes from practice, 10% from your performance on the day,
I would say just keep your condition good , and dont be stressed too much, u got this 50 mate

Well I didn't correct a lot/most of my practice exams. I should just rub out some old papers then redo lol. Percentage on day performance is slightly higher for me. have a medical condition that could hinder me (though it didn't today)  :-\

Are itute exams beneficial?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Callum@1373 on November 02, 2016, 11:42:31 am
Last year at our school, someone dropped 1 and failed to get a premier.
Cried when i realised the fact that i have to compete with you in Specialist Maths... I will get wrecked
Oh no please don't be disheartened!!! Anyway thanks for that, I guess I have to ace exam 2 :(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jemin99 on November 02, 2016, 11:47:50 am
Well I didn't correct a lot/most of my practice exams. I should just rub out some old papers then redo lol. Percentage on day performance is slightly higher for me. have a medical condition that could hinder me (though it didn't today)  :-\

Are itute exams beneficial?
Top year 12 students last year (our school had 3 50s) strongly insisted that itute just takes ur self confidence haha
I got 55/120 itute and that really just roasted me
If i were you, i wouldnt do itute exam before the exam day :3
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Callum@1373 on November 02, 2016, 11:52:21 am
I might just chip in and say that sometimes itute exams have really interesting ways of answering the question and when you look at the solutions, sometimes you can learn a whole new method to solve a question that may be handy to have in your repertoire of skills :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 11:54:10 am
I might just chip in and say that sometimes itute exams have really interesting ways of answering the question and when you look at the solutions, sometimes you can learn a whole new method to solve a question that may be handy to have in your repertoire of skills :)

great point
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: tanishthak on November 02, 2016, 11:55:06 am
What did people get for angle? And the area under the hyperbole?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: angrypotato1 on November 02, 2016, 11:56:45 am
What did people get for angle? And the area under the hyperbole?

2pi/3 for angle
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: emilyb4398888 on November 02, 2016, 11:58:24 am
I was speaking with my teacher, and she believes that the median for the exam will be around 45%. So don't stress!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bailt16 on November 02, 2016, 12:00:18 pm
When measuring the angle in the anti-clockwise direction to the tangent in question 2, would both 5pi/6 and 11pi/6 be accepted?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: shortgame11 on November 02, 2016, 12:02:58 pm
wasnt it either 5pi/6 or 11pi /6
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 12:03:30 pm
2pi/3 for angle

Got 5pi/6....

Rise=1
Run=root 3

tan(under)=pi/6

Required angle=pi-(pi/6)=5pi/6
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: JellyBeanz on November 02, 2016, 12:04:25 pm
Got 5pi/6....

Rise=1
Run=root 3

tan(under)=pi/6

Required angle=pi-(pi/6)=5pi/6

I also got 5pi/6
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: akiophy on November 02, 2016, 12:04:51 pm
I really dislike those probability questions. I guess my English is just poor. :(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: cookiedream on November 02, 2016, 12:05:59 pm
Yeah I got 5pi/3 too
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Gromekk on November 02, 2016, 12:06:25 pm
5pi/6 for me too
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 12:06:50 pm
Yeah I got 5pi/3 too

you mean 5pi/6 ?

I'm thinking of doing itute to stimulate/gear my mind for the exam, not for the score.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:06:57 pm
2pi/3 for angle

What was the gradient of the tangent? Forgot
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:07:29 pm
5pi/6 for me too

Thank god for that
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: angrypotato1 on November 02, 2016, 12:07:38 pm
Got 5pi/6....

Rise=1
Run=root 3

tan(under)=pi/6

Required angle=pi-(pi/6)=5pi/6

Yeah that actually, remembered wrong.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: cookiedream on November 02, 2016, 12:08:07 pm
you mean 5pi/6 ?

Oops haha yeah!!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:10:10 pm
Someone told me it had to be an acute angle. Got so worried about that
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: cookiedream on November 02, 2016, 12:10:42 pm
What was the gradient of the tangent? Forgot

It was negative 1/root3
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: shortgame11 on November 02, 2016, 12:11:53 pm
11pi/6??????????????
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:12:51 pm
It was negative 1/root3

Cheers
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: jazzaa36 on November 02, 2016, 12:13:07 pm
So I just fucked up my exam 1  :'( I've been averaging 87% in sacs, if I do relatively well in exam 2 what are my chances of getting 35+?? So pissed rn  :'(  :'(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: cookiedream on November 02, 2016, 12:15:28 pm
wasnt it either 5pi/6 or 11pi /6

Should be only 5pi/6 because that's the obtuse angle (150 degrees)
11pi/6 is a reflex angle (330 degrees) if calculated from the x-axis in an anti-clockwise direction
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: angrypotato1 on November 02, 2016, 12:17:01 pm
For the last question, part a
Were you required to write the whole thing out as an integral? I only did the differentiation but I realised it could be interpreted that you needed a final statement
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Gromekk on November 02, 2016, 12:18:34 pm
I didn't, was 2 marks so didn't think i had to do anything else
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: halo on November 02, 2016, 12:19:53 pm
So I just fucked up my exam 1  :'( I've been averaging 87% in sacs, if I do relatively well in exam 2 what are my chances of getting 35+?? So pissed rn  :'(  :'(

Hey! Don't worry too much. I know a lot of people in my cohort found it to be a challenging exam (and I go to a selective school). Also, exam 1 is only worth 22% or smth (your SACs are worth more than this!), so you still have a really big chance tomorrow to get that 35+. I'm guessing a high A tomorrow should be enough? Good luck!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: brenden on November 02, 2016, 12:20:00 pm
Okay so I have verified my answers with a friend who tutors, with 40/40 on exam 1 can I drop any marks on exam 2 and get a 50+ premiers?
Want to swing us your answers? ;)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bornconfused on November 02, 2016, 12:21:17 pm
How did everyone approach question 7?? The question with line A and line B.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:21:48 pm
So I just fucked up my exam 1  :'( I've been averaging 87% in sacs, if I do relatively well in exam 2 what are my chances of getting 35+?? So pissed rn  :'(  :'(

Well what do you think you got on exam 1? Exam 2 is worth way more than exam 1 by the way
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:23:02 pm
How did everyone approach question 7?? The question with line A and line B.

(0.05 x 40/90) + (0.08 x 50/90)? something like that anyways
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: dave101 on November 02, 2016, 12:25:25 pm
I'm also in the same exact boat as Jazzaa36. I've been average 86% for sacs, i have really messed up that exam, probably 29/40 to be honest. I was really hoping for a 37/40 as that was what I had been averaging in my practice exams. If I do smash it tomorrow, say 72/80? Is there still a chance of a 40 raw? Or is all over?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 12:25:26 pm
Well what do you think you got on exam 1? Exam 2 is worth way more than exam 1 by the way

But in exam 1, scores are more tightly condensed at the higher end, meaning that every point you lose in exam 1 affects you more than every point you lose in exam 2.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bornconfused on November 02, 2016, 12:26:28 pm
(0.05 x 40/90) + (0.08 x 50/90)? something like that anyways
Thanks, that makes so much sense :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:28:08 pm
Thanks, that makes so much sense :)

Don't assume thats correct haha. its just what I did
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:30:02 pm
But in exam 1, scores are more tightly condensed at the higher end, meaning that every point you lose in exam 1 affects you more than every point you lose in exam 2.

Yeah you're right
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bornconfused on November 02, 2016, 12:30:52 pm
Don't assume thats correct haha. its just what I did
I think it is, because every other way can not be reduced to 1/b :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: jazzaa36 on November 02, 2016, 12:32:32 pm
For the last question, if we did part A and sorta skipped part B and coz there was 10 secs left and you wrote it is higher than the median, would you still get a mark or nah ?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: mwehbe on November 02, 2016, 12:33:09 pm
What score on exam 2 will I need for a 35+?

Sac average: 90%
Exam 1: 27/40
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: nadiaaa on November 02, 2016, 12:35:22 pm
I think it is, because every other way can not be reduced to 1/b :)
Yeah me and a few other friends did that too, so pretty sure its correct!!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bornconfused on November 02, 2016, 12:35:49 pm
For the last question, if we did part A and sorta skipped part B and coz there was 10 secs left and you wrote it is higher than the median, would you still get a mark or nah ?
I think you would get 1 for correctly identifying, but not one as you have not proved it.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bornconfused on November 02, 2016, 12:37:28 pm
What score on exam 2 will I need for a 35+?

Sac average: 90%
Exam 1: 27/40
I'd aim for about 60/80, but I am not too sure
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: NerdyPi on November 02, 2016, 12:37:36 pm
Hey guys, if for the log question 5 a ii, if I stuffed up the domain, but wrote the correct range for that domain, would I still get a least 1/2 marks? :(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: jh;) on November 02, 2016, 12:37:48 pm
for stating the composite and inverse functions , did we have to write it in functional notation, coz I didn't
Since we had to state the domain for the next part, I assumed we just had to write the rule
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: halo on November 02, 2016, 12:38:25 pm
For the last question, if we did part A and sorta skipped part B and coz there was 10 secs left and you wrote it is higher than the median, would you still get a mark or nah ?

I don't think so... in questions where you have 2 options I'm pretty sure you only get the mark if you pick one and justify it.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bornconfused on November 02, 2016, 12:41:02 pm
Hey guys, if for the log question 5 a ii, if I stuffed up the domain, but wrote the correct range for that domain, would I still get a least 1/2 marks? :(

I believe you would, as a mark each is allocated for domain and range.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: jazzaa36 on November 02, 2016, 12:42:13 pm
I don't think so... in questions where you have 2 options I'm pretty sure you only get the mark if you pick one and justify it.

Yeah thought so coz it did say hence *cries*
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bornconfused on November 02, 2016, 12:43:09 pm
for stating the composite and inverse functions , did we have to write it in functional notation, coz I didn't
Since we had to state the domain for the next part, I assumed we just had to write the rule
I assumed the same, so I think that is all we had to do.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Rayzorrz on November 02, 2016, 12:44:54 pm
Does anyone know if consequential marks apply for this exam? I know it does for Exam 2, not sure about Exam 1. I managed to misinterpret one of the probablity questions about the tagged/untagged sheep for part a) but managed to show adequate working + correct formulas for b) and c) using the incorrect value.

Just bumping again in case anybody knows. Slightly frustrated with myself for not having reread the question since it was such a simple mistake.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: occidit on November 02, 2016, 12:50:27 pm
So I cooked it and forgot to simplify it to (2/3)^24. Will I lose the mark?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: BNard on November 02, 2016, 12:53:09 pm
Can anyone think of a vcaa exam of similar difficulty, to use a reference with grade distributions?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: HasibA on November 02, 2016, 12:54:37 pm
So I cooked it and forgot to simplify it to (2/3)^24. Will I lose the mark?
wth, didnt even get that as an answer, then again, not even aiming for a 25 for methods hahaha, yollo
but u might lose 1mark if its out of 3, and 1 mark if its out of 2, they ask for the most simplified exact value ahah!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 12:55:22 pm
So I cooked it and forgot to simplify it to (2/3)^24. Will I lose the mark?

What question are you talking about
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: halo on November 02, 2016, 12:55:48 pm
So I cooked it and forgot to simplify it to (2/3)^24. Will I lose the mark?

wait woah why to the power of 24? :o
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: HasibA on November 02, 2016, 12:56:01 pm
Can anyone think of a vcaa exam of similar difficulty, to use a reference with grade distributions?
i reckon 2014 exam 1? found it similar to this, except the last question to be slightly easier ahah!
maybe 2011 exam 1 too?
i have a bad feeling exam 2 tomorrow is going to be harder than 2013 exam 2... in which case.. :/

*sorry if ive accidentally double posted, slow net ahha*
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: occidit on November 02, 2016, 12:57:29 pm
wait woah why to the power of 24? :o

Sorry thought it was obvious. The probability question with tagged/untagged sheep
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: brenden on November 02, 2016, 12:58:28 pm
Someone just PM'd me some of their answers.

Which ones are correct, which ones are wrong? First person to send me a PM with a correct and complete set of solutions gets SIX love heart emojis!!!!!!!!!!!!!

1)
a. dy/dx =
b. 7e^5
2)
a. -1/(1-2x)^.5
b. x=-1
gradient = -1/root3
tan(x)=-1/root3
x=150*
4)
a.
b. 4+ 3ln3
3) ln(x^2+1)
a. 16/81
b. 65/81
c. (16/81)^6
5. h(x)=ln(x^2+1)
Domain: R
Range: [0, infinity)
iv. h’(x)=0, x=0 y=0
h’(-1)=-1 h’(1)=1
point: (0,0) (minimum)
b.
k-1(x)=-root(e^x-1)
ii. domain: [0,infinity) /
range: domain of k(x): (-infinity, 0]
6)
a) f(a)+f(b)/(b-a) = -4/pi
b) ∫(2*sin(2*x)-1,x,(-π)/3,π/6) / (b-a) = (-2/π)-1
7)
a. 1/15
b. 1/3
8 )
b) 1-3/e^2
c) greater as pr(x>1/e)>0.5
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: F_mac on November 02, 2016, 12:59:15 pm
How'd people do Q4, I used combinations but I probably stuff it up  :(  Overall I'd say it was quite a bit more difficult than previous years, they removed all the easy questions, and the format of 8 Qs threw me a little, So I guess I'm looking at 21-23. Anyway, how'd you all find P1?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: angrypotato1 on November 02, 2016, 01:00:00 pm
For the last question, part a
Were you required to write the whole thing out as an integral? I only did the differentiation but I realised it could be interpreted that you needed a final statement

Bump
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: jazzaa36 on November 02, 2016, 01:04:52 pm
Bump
A

It was only worth two marks so I'm guessing it shouldn't really matter as it was implied by the question   ???
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 01:09:29 pm
You dont use derivative for average rate of change
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: natdogg on November 02, 2016, 01:11:36 pm
yeah think i got like 4root(3)/pi  for that avg rate of change q
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: NerdyPi on November 02, 2016, 01:12:53 pm
yeah think i got like 4root(3)/pi  for that avg rate of change q

Same!!! Finally some relief :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: asapwhat on November 02, 2016, 01:13:38 pm
its f(b)-f(a)/(b-a)
sorry lads im dumb
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: halo on November 02, 2016, 01:13:55 pm
Same!!! Finally some relief :)

me toooo yayay
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 01:15:50 pm
its f(b)-f(a)/(b-a)
sorry lads im dumb

Thats right.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Nandos787 on November 02, 2016, 01:17:36 pm
yeah think i got like 4root(3)/pi  for that avg rate of change q
same woooo
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 01:17:59 pm
I feel the A+ will be lower than last years
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: opacitatic on November 02, 2016, 01:22:34 pm
as an asian yr 9 who formerly had big aspirations vcaa has ruined my love of maths  >:(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: mandy.healy on November 02, 2016, 01:26:13 pm
if i gave the angle in terms of degrees do i lose the mark????
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: nadiaaa on November 02, 2016, 01:26:35 pm
So was the median lower or greater than 1/e?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: halo on November 02, 2016, 01:28:35 pm
So was the median lower or greater than 1/e?

I got greater
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: halo on November 02, 2016, 01:29:38 pm
I feel the A+ will be lower than last years

any specific guesses as to what the cutoff might be?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 01:32:40 pm
any specific guesses as to what the cutoff might be?

It was harder than last years for me. I would say like 36/40 maybe
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: nadiaaa on November 02, 2016, 01:33:50 pm
I got greater
Do consequential marks exist for exam 1? Well Is this counted as one? I worked out the wrong area in part B and so when i subbed in 5/2 and stuff to check whether the area is bigger or smaller than .5, it gave me smaller sooo i said lower
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: nobodyask on November 02, 2016, 01:35:09 pm
My Answers for questions 1 through 4.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bornconfused on November 02, 2016, 01:35:20 pm
if i gave the angle in terms of degrees do i lose the mark????
It did not specify, but considering we are meant to work in radians. You might, however since it was hard they may be more lenient.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: akiophy on November 02, 2016, 01:38:20 pm
How would you do q.7 b. I got so confused.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 01:39:37 pm
Do we think that was a difficult exam?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: HasibA on November 02, 2016, 01:39:55 pm
I feel the A+ will be lower than last years
dont think so. i recko itll stay the same (36/40) or go higher 36.5/40 or 37/40.
really dont think this was a hard exam ahhaa , nothin g ridiculous on here, if they had a really hard stats question on here, then maybe, but yeah, no lower than 36/40 me thinks (has remained similar for like last 3 years) but if it does go lower, better for me haha :P
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 01:43:42 pm
I think I got a mid A for this so on track for a 38
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Orb on November 02, 2016, 01:45:07 pm
In all honesty, I found it pretty standard and I would be highly surprised if the A+ dropped below 36 (definitely not the hardest VCAA exam made and would be slightly harder than the year before, i'd say 36-37/40 would be the cutoff).
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: HasibA on November 02, 2016, 01:47:45 pm
have a feeling (and hoping) tomorrows exam 2 is hard; i have a feeling there will be a pretty fkn hard stats question tmr ahha, hopefully the cutoffs become 2013 exam 2 like (66/80 A+?) HAH LOL
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: halo on November 02, 2016, 01:49:16 pm
Do we think that was a difficult exam?

I think like with any other exam 1, I made a lot of careless mistakes (guessing around 3/4) but the questions weren't tooo bad? So average difficulty I would say.
Title: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: hahahaliao on November 02, 2016, 01:50:51 pm
have a feeling (and hoping) tomorrows exam 2 is hard; i have a feeling there will be a pretty fkn hard stats question tmr ahha, hopefully the cutoffs become 2013 exam 2 like (66/80 A+?) HAH LOL
I think too
or maybe time issue is a question
Hope 65/80,  god bless us
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 01:50:56 pm
It was easy to make arithmetic errors in this one, but the knowledge itself was ok.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 01:51:55 pm
have a feeling (and hoping) tomorrows exam 2 is hard; i have a feeling there will be a pretty fkn hard stats question tmr ahha, hopefully the cutoffs become 2013 exam 2 like (66/80 A+?) HAH LOL

Last years was 67 and it wasnt too bad
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: HasibA on November 02, 2016, 01:54:25 pm
Last years was 67 and it wasnt too bad
even better. i did jack all for method all year, got like 15-20/40 on the 2 prac exams i did, and according to solutions and my teacher, i wouldve got like 28+/40 hahaha, so i have to say, this years exam 1 was definitely easy to pick up marks, but very very easy to loose marks; but it wasn't ridiculously hard haha (which exam 1 is the hardest? i know 2013 exam 2 was the hardest exam 2, but what about exam 1)
happy its done!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: larissaaa_ on November 02, 2016, 01:54:59 pm
When you literally fk up differentiation questions bc your were that stressed. Anyone have an estimate of what the C+ cutoff could be?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: deejay9 on November 02, 2016, 01:57:14 pm
It was easy to make arithmetic errors in this one, but the knowledge itself was ok.

Agreed, I don't think the questions were particularly difficult but I definitely made a lot of errors in arithmetic due to stress and time pressure
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: curtist on November 02, 2016, 01:57:49 pm
Can someone explain to me how the marking would work?

For the average rate and value question, I legit blanked out and couldn't find cos(-2pi/3) so I left it in my answer. It's 2 and 3 marks, so surely I'll get some marks for method?

And for the inverse q, I swapped x and y's, not k's and x's. Would I still get marks here?

Thanks
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: BNard on November 02, 2016, 01:58:07 pm
http://www.itute.com/2016/11/02/free-download-2016-vcaa-mathematical-methods-exam-1-solutions/
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: bananabreadbelle on November 02, 2016, 02:12:06 pm
What do we think a 27-28/40 would be in terms of grades? Does anyone think it still possible/impossible to achieve a 40+ with such an Exam 1 result regardless of Exam 2? (SACs averaging low to mid A).
 :-X
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: cookiedream on November 02, 2016, 02:13:19 pm
have a feeling (and hoping) tomorrows exam 2 is hard; i have a feeling there will be a pretty fkn hard stats question tmr ahha, hopefully the cutoffs become 2013 exam 2 like (66/80 A+?) HAH LOL

Yeah I also have a strong feeling it's going to be really hard.........
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: NerdyPi on November 02, 2016, 02:15:53 pm
Sorry if this has been asked before, but for the average value function, I wrote 2/pi*(-1-(pi/2)) or -2/pi*(1+(pi/2)). I confirmed on CAS I got the correct mathematical value, but when I put the intergal * 2/pi in calc, it gives -(pi+2)/pi, which is the most simplified/neatest(?) answer. Could I still get 3/3 marks for this one? Also for the 1 mark probability , if I put (16/81)^6 rather than (2/3)^24, can I still get the mark?...
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: dave101 on November 02, 2016, 02:22:58 pm
What do we think a 27-28/40 would be in terms of grades? Does anyone think it still possible/impossible to achieve a 40+ with such an Exam 1 result regardless of Exam 2? (SACs averaging low to mid A).
 :-X

I am in the exact same boat, I would like an answer to this  :) would help out
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jay.C on November 02, 2016, 02:24:42 pm
So for Q1 b I left my answer as 2e^5 + 5e^5 for some reason I will never know lol. Do you think I would still get the 2/2 if I had everything else correct?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: JellyBeanz on November 02, 2016, 02:25:35 pm
So for Q1 b I left my answer as 2e^5 + 5e^5 for some reason I will never know lol. Do you think I would still get the 2/2 if I had everything else correct?

I think the examiners will want the answer in simplest form but they might.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: natdogg on November 02, 2016, 02:29:30 pm
For the avg value q, If i have the correct integration formula, but when i'm subbing in values I put positive 1/2 instead of -1/2, and consequently get the answer wrong, would this be 1/3 marks?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: dave101 on November 02, 2016, 02:34:05 pm
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's all over for me, the year's worth of hard work all goes down the drain after panicking and blanking out on exam 1.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: apan on November 02, 2016, 02:41:16 pm
Oh god no :(( I made SO many silly mistakes on that exam that I probably cost me 12ish marks. God dammit, I used the product rule for the first question instead of the quotient rule. I am so screwed :(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Orb on November 02, 2016, 02:46:30 pm
For the avg value q, If i have the correct integration formula, but when i'm subbing in values I put positive 1/2 instead of -1/2, and consequently get the answer wrong, would this be 1/3 marks?

I think so buddy :/ unlikely to get 2
Definitely 1 mark though!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Orb on November 02, 2016, 02:47:30 pm
I am in the exact same boat, I would like an answer to this  :) would help out

I know someone who got 42 in 2014 with 28-29/40 E1 and 78.5/80 E2, so yes it's possible!

(pretty much need to ace E2 though)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: nobodyask on November 02, 2016, 02:49:00 pm
See attached for my solutions.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: halo on November 02, 2016, 02:55:05 pm
^^^ yeah I just realised I made a lot of silly mistakes :// are people 100% sure the cutoffs wont go down?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: JellyBeanz on November 02, 2016, 02:55:36 pm
^^^ yeah I just realised I made a lot of silly mistakes :// are people 100% sure the cutoffs wont go down?

I think it may go down, but not by too much
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Rob16 on November 02, 2016, 02:57:04 pm
For question 3b i changed my answer from 4+3loge(3) to 4+loge(27) as my final answer do u guys think i can still get full marks for this also did u have to put units^2 at the end? i think i may have forgot :(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: HasibA on November 02, 2016, 02:59:44 pm
What do we think a 27-28/40 would be in terms of grades? Does anyone think it still possible/impossible to achieve a 40+ with such an Exam 1 result regardless of Exam 2? (SACs averaging low to mid A).
 :-X
if u full mark exam 2 tmr, yeh 40 is possible with 12 marks dropped across both exams (28/40 and 80/80) , but like borderline 40 i think, and yeah full marking exam 2.... ahahha hard sht
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 03:00:39 pm
Yes changing that log is ok.

Does anyone know if its ok to call (0,0) a 'local minimum (minimum turning point)'?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: shlblk on November 02, 2016, 03:13:47 pm
I ended up doing alright on the exam, surprised there were no population proportion or confidence interval questions.
Butchered the the rule, and domain of the inverse k function though. Also I think I wrote down that the stationary point was a maximum even though I drew up a gradient table showing it was a minimum (I don't even...). Can't remember what I wrote for the last part of Q8.
Should be in the A range though, going off solutions that have been posted.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: sarahlayla777 on November 02, 2016, 03:15:13 pm
i think if i calculated everything and remembered my marks correctly im looking at around a 31/40 for exam 1, hoping for at least 60/80 on exam 2, what study score would i be looking at?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: HasibA on November 02, 2016, 03:16:40 pm
i think if i calculated everything and remembered my marks correctly im looking at around a 31/40 for exam 1, hoping for at least 60/80 on exam 2, what study score would i be looking at?
mid 30s, dont know what specifically, but i dont think youd get higher than like 38, if cutoffs remain the same!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Nikenike4 on November 02, 2016, 03:36:50 pm
Hey guys, just wondering at a Study score prediction
i have a strong cohort and our sacs are relatively hard
(exam 2 ER level), so likely to scale.
C for SACS
B for Exam 1
B+/Low A for Exam 2

What raw study score would i be looking at?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: caroroxu on November 02, 2016, 03:40:12 pm
Lost 6 marks exam 1  still got 40+

OMG HOW?!??! did u ace exam 2?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: deejay9 on November 02, 2016, 04:05:45 pm
How did everyone find the range of ln(x^2+1)?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: waterangel82 on November 02, 2016, 04:24:45 pm
Think I did quite well in the exam.... lost nothing big, really (hopefully lost 1-2 marks max). Got pretty much the exact same thing as the suggested solutions. Last question wasn't actually that difficult, just required some logical reasoning and just precision overall.

Anyway, I think that the A+ cutoff this year will be slightly lower as it was slightly harder than last year's paper (with the exception of the last question though, which would be around the same difficulty), and also the fact that most schools across the state have had tech active sacs across the whole year.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: cookiedream on November 02, 2016, 04:42:37 pm
So far I have a 93% average on SACs (going to a selective school) and I think I lost 3 marks for exam 1.
What would I need to get for tomorrow's exam to get a study score of 45+ ???
And is there still a chance of me getting 50??
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: waterangel82 on November 02, 2016, 04:50:36 pm
So far I have a 93% average on SACs (going to a selective school) and I think I lost 3 marks for exam 1.
What would I need to get for tomorrow's exam to get a study score of 45+ ???
And is there still a chance of me getting 50??

Which select entry school do you go to? Macrob/Melbourne High, Nossal or Suzanne Cory?
Personally though, I know of a guy last year (I go to Suzanne Cory) who averaged 94% for his sacs (rank 1), lost around 3 marks for exam 1 (A+) and two for exam 2 (A+) and got a 46 raw. My average for this year for SACs is around the same as his ~94-95%, and considering that I maybe lost around 1 to 2 marks for exam 1, I'm also (hopefully) aiming for around a similar score. But I guess you still have a chance to get very close to 50 since your school sacs are probably harder than ours. But don't worry though, I'm sure you will smash tomorrow's exam!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: RKTR on November 02, 2016, 04:52:26 pm
How did everyone find the range of ln(x^2+1)?
(x^2 +1 ) is [1,inf)
range = [ln 1 ,ln(inf) ) =[0,inf)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: RKTR on November 02, 2016, 04:55:26 pm
How would you do q.7 b. I got so confused.
it's asking you Pr(A given it's faulty) =Pr(A n F)/Pr(F) = (0.05 x4/9 )/(1/15) =1/3  Pr(F) is from part a.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: cookiedream on November 02, 2016, 04:56:10 pm
Which select entry school do you go to? Macrob/Melbourne High, Nossal or Suzanne Cory?
Personally though, I know of a guy last year (I go to Suzanne Cory) who averaged 94% for his sacs (rank 1), lost around 3 marks for exam 1 (A+) and two for exam 2 (A+) and got a 46 raw. My average for this year for SACs is around the same as his ~94-95%, and considering that I maybe lost around 1 to 2 marks for exam 1, I'm also (hopefully) aiming for around a similar score. But I guess you still have a chance to get very close to 50 since your school sacs are probably harder than ours. But don't worry though, I'm sure you will smash tomorrow's exam!

I go to Nossal High School, probs maybe rank 4-5 with my SAC average. Nooooo, tomorrow's exam is going to be so hard :(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: adamniu on November 02, 2016, 05:00:33 pm
What sort of study score would I be looking at? I'm on a 96.5% average for my SACs which is around rank 3 or 4 (at a school which would normally have their SACs scaled up slightly) and lost between 1-3 marks on paper 1. What would I have to get in Exam 2 to get a study score in the high 40s?
Thanks for your help!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 05:11:11 pm
Yeah I'm pretty sure it's all over for me, the year's worth of hard work all goes down the drain after panicking and blanking out on exam 1.

What was your score mate
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: waterangel82 on November 02, 2016, 05:16:03 pm
What sort of study score would I be looking at? I'm on a 96.5% average for my SACs which is around rank 3 or 4 (at a school which would normally have their SACs scaled up slightly) and lost between 1-3 marks on paper 1. What would I have to get in Exam 2 to get a study score in the high 40s?
Thanks for your help!

Maybe no more than 4 marks for exam 2. Also, depends on the actual difficulty of the exam. And also, for your SACs, what rank are u? SAC rankings in VCE are more important than your actual raw scores (although personally I don't know my actual ranking within my own school, I guess I'm around 2nd, possibly 3rd).
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 05:18:52 pm
Maybe no more than 4 marks for exam 2. Also, depends on the actual difficulty of the exam. And also, for your SACs, what rank are u? SAC rankings in VCE are more important than your actual raw scores (although personally I don't know my actual ranking within my own school, I guess I'm around 2nd, possibly 3rd).

For 33/40 for exam 1. What would I need for a 38 in exam 2. Assuming high A's for sacss
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: soldmysoulforvce on November 02, 2016, 05:26:40 pm
Fml dropped like atleast 12-15 marks to careless mistakes... The exam felt/ seemed a lot easier than previous. Rip hopes.....
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: waterangel82 on November 02, 2016, 05:27:55 pm
For 33/40 for exam 1. What would I need for a 38 in exam 2. Assuming high A's for sacss

Maybe around a low A+? Again a low A+ fluctuates every year in terms of the actual score. But aim for around 85% just to be safe.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 05:30:39 pm
Maybe around a low A+? Again a low A+ fluctuates every year in terms of the actual score. But aim for around 85% just to be safe.
cheers
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: adamniu on November 02, 2016, 05:41:03 pm
How are the grades calculated? i.e. How does VCAA decide what mark an A+ or a B will be? And how is this related to study scores?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 05:43:01 pm
How are the grades calculated? i.e. How does VCAA decide what mark an A+ or a B will be? And how is this related to study scores?

I think 9% of the scores need to be of an A+
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: argent on November 02, 2016, 05:45:42 pm
Sorry for adding to the several predictions,
But with a 30/40 on Exam 1, what Exam 2 mark would I need for a 35/6??
Or say if i get 64/80 on Exam 2 what study score would that correlate to?
My SAC average is 75%.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: guest123 on November 02, 2016, 05:54:49 pm
I think 64 would get you a 36-37 depending where you are ranked

Are you stupid? They would need at least 80% based on exam 1 and sacs.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: HasibA on November 02, 2016, 05:56:18 pm
Are you stupid? They would need at least 80% based on exam 1 and sacs.
dont need to call him stupid, relax buddy
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 05:56:51 pm
Are you stupid? They would need at least 80% based on exam 1 and sacs.

No i'm not stupid. Go away please
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: adamniu on November 02, 2016, 05:57:19 pm
Are you stupid? They would need at least 80% based on exam 1 and sacs.
64/80 is 80%?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: JellyBeanz on November 02, 2016, 05:58:21 pm
Are you stupid? They would need at least 80% based on exam 1 and sacs.

64/80 could be low-mid A+ though. I don't see the blasphemy in his prediction..
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: guest123 on November 02, 2016, 05:59:16 pm
I am in the exact same boat, I would like an answer to this  :) would help out

Definetly not 40+, would be lucky to get 35 depending on exam 2
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 06:00:01 pm
Are you stupid? They would need at least 80% based on exam 1 and sacs.

Don't know where he/she ia ranked so hard to tell
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: argent on November 02, 2016, 06:00:06 pm
Are you stupid? They would need at least 80% based on exam 1 and sacs.

Omg chill I just wanted a prediction hahahah sorry 46 raw :(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: guest123 on November 02, 2016, 06:00:36 pm
64/80 is 80%?
Whoops I thought you meant 64%
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: purplegiraffe on November 02, 2016, 06:32:37 pm
holy crap i think i might have gotten 5 marks at best.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: The Usual Student on November 02, 2016, 06:34:55 pm
guys I did not write B= C= for the puit into 1/B form questions
I got the answer but it didn't ask for us to state what B was so I didn't list what B was... :(
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Biology24123 on November 02, 2016, 06:36:08 pm
guys I did not write B= C= for the puit into 1/B form questions
I got the answer but it didn't ask for us to state what B was so I didn't list what B was... :(

I don't think you had to
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 06:42:38 pm
guys I did not write B= C= for the puit into 1/B form questions
I got the answer but it didn't ask for us to state what B was so I didn't list what B was... :(
It's not a necessary thing on the exam, but it just makes things clearer for the examiner. Rest assured, you won't lose a mark for not writing b= and c= as long as you've got the right values.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: mandermin on November 02, 2016, 06:45:16 pm
Argh, I drew the hyperbola of the right hand side (positive x axis) randomly without consulting any points on it. Am I going to lose a mark because of it?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 06:49:03 pm
Argh, I drew the hyperbola of the right hand side (positive x axis) randomly without consulting any points on it. Am I going to lose a mark because of it?
Hmm.. that's an issue since they've clearly given you a grid to plot your graph! I don't want to raise your hopes up, but there's a chance the examiner might overlook it. Did you label any of the points on the right-hand part of your graph?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: TheCat on November 02, 2016, 06:50:35 pm
Hi all,
My SAC grades are on average in mid A's and the exam 1 marks 35/40. How much should I be scoring in exam 2 to get 41+.
Thank youuu
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: mandermin on November 02, 2016, 06:52:18 pm
 :-\ No I haven't..... I overlooked it, because I done never done a question like this on a grid before. I think I got everything else right though, is there still a chance to get high study score?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: khanih on November 02, 2016, 06:54:52 pm
I just wanted to check, I made a mistake with the arithmetic in the integration on 8b which resulted in an incorrect answer which was higher than the actual answer, would I still gain the 2 marks for 8c due to the justification being as shown for it? I'd rather not drop 3 marks on a simple mistake and was just wondering if I got any cumulative marks on that one
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 06:55:31 pm
Hi all,
My SAC grades are on average in mid A's and the exam 1 marks 35/40. How much should I be scoring in exam 2 to get 41+.
Thank youuu
Getting a 40+ SS requires 3 low A+'s in your SACs and both exams. So in order to get a 41+ you'd ideally want to get a 73-74/80 in Exam 2. If your school is good, then there's a chance your SACs will scale up, meaning your Exam 2 score wouldn't matter as much as it would if your school isn't particularly good at Maths.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: YellowBoy on November 02, 2016, 06:55:54 pm
Maths Methods
Sacs 90% ranked high tier
exam:1 34/40
what would I need on exam 2 for a 38 and above study score
Thanks

Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 06:56:47 pm
:-\ No I haven't..... I overlooked it, because I done never done a question like this on a grid before. I think I got everything else right though, is there still a chance to get high study score?
Fair enough... VCAA is the only exam where they'd provide a grid. I'm sure you'd only lose 1 mark for not drawing your graph to scale! What scores do you have currently, SACs and Exam 1, and what are you aiming for in Exam 2?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: xu0040 on November 02, 2016, 06:58:31 pm
Would I be wrong if I wrote -pi/6 in anticlockwise direction for the angle question? Since arctan has a range of (-pi/2,pi/2)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 06:59:52 pm
I just wanted to check, I made a mistake with the arithmetic in the integration on 8b which resulted in an incorrect answer which was higher than the actual answer, would I still gain the 2 marks for 8c due to the justification being as shown for it? I'd rather not drop 3 marks on a simple mistake and was just wondering if I got any cumulative marks on that one
The way consequential marking works at VCAA, is that you'll only get 1 mark, despite 8c actually being worth 2 marks. So you'd be losing 2 marks out of those 4, assuming you've got your integral correct in part b.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:02:07 pm
Would I be wrong if I wrote -pi/6 in anticlockwise direction for the angle question? Since arctan has a range of (-pi/2,pi/2)
-pi/6 in the anticlockwise direction is basically calculating the 4th quadrant angle. You're correct in saying arctan has a range of (-pi/2, pi/2), however the question doesn't ask you to evaluate arctan, meaning you can bypass that range. It just asks for the angle that the tangent cuts the graph at. So starting from the x-axis, going anti-clockwise, you will hit the tangent to the original function at 5pi/6. I don't think -pi/6 will be accepted, as it requires 1 more step to get the answer.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: mandermin on November 02, 2016, 07:03:10 pm
Fair enough... VCAA is the only exam where they'd provide a grid. I'm sure you'd only lose 1 mark for not drawing your graph to scale! What scores do you have currently, SACs and Exam 1, and what are you aiming for in Exam 2?

Thanks for your advice. I currently have A/A+ on my SAC, 39/40 for Exam 1 after the deduction on the hyperbola question. What score will I need for Exam 2 to get a 45+? Also, will my SAC scores get scaled?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:04:42 pm
Maths Methods
Sacs 90% ranked high tier
exam:1 34/40
what would I need on exam 2 for a 38 and above study score
Thanks
You'll probably need a low A+ or high A in exam 2. From previous years, that correlates to around 70-71/80. Good luck!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:06:49 pm
Thanks for your advice. I currently have A/A+ on my SAC, 39/40 for Exam 1 after the deduction on the hyperbola question. What score will I need for Exam 2 to get a 45+? Also, will my SAC scores get scaled?
SAC score scaling is based on how well your cohort does on the Methods Exams. Schools that have a low SAC average, but do very well on the Exam will get their SACs scaled up. So it depends on your school, and where you are in terms of ranking!

A 45+ SS requires mid to high A+'s in both exams and SACs. So considering you did well in Exam 1, you can get away with 75-76/80 in Exam 2 for a 45!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jemin99 on November 02, 2016, 07:07:13 pm
-pi/6 in the anticlockwise direction is basically calculating the 4th quadrant angle. You're correct in saying arctan has a range of (-pi/2, pi/2), however the question doesn't ask you to evaluate arctan, meaning you can bypass that range. It just asks for the angle that the tangent cuts the graph at. So starting from the x-axis, going anti-clockwise, you will hit the tangent to the original function at 5pi/6. I don't think -pi/6 will be accepted, as it requires 1 more step to get the answer.
Hey man just wondering did you do 2 3/4 s in year 10, 3 in year 11?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:09:43 pm
Hey man just wondering did you do 2 3/4 s in year 10, 3 in year 11?
At Balwyn High School, I was part of the Accelerated Learning Program. This basically meant I had 2 Year's of Year 11, and skipped Year 9. So I had 3 years of VCE as opposed to 2, and began doing 1/2 subjects in Year 10 (which was technically Year 9)!

Just had more opportunity to do more subjects :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Jemin99 on November 02, 2016, 07:10:56 pm
At Balwyn High School, I was part of the Accelerated Learning Program. This basically meant I had 2 Year's of Year 11, and skipped Year 9. So I had 3 years of VCE as opposed to 2, and began doing 1/2 subjects in Year 10 (which was technically Year 9)!

Just had more opportunity to do more subjects :)
legit so lucky i dont have to verse you my god haha must be genius!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Rayzorrz on November 02, 2016, 07:11:35 pm
The way consequential marking works at VCAA, is that you'll only get 1 mark, despite 8c actually being worth 2 marks. So you'd be losing 2 marks out of those 4, assuming you've got your integral correct in part b.

On the topic of consequential marking, I asked this a few pages back and was wondering if you could help.

"Does anyone know if consequential marks apply for this exam? I know it does for Exam 2, not sure about Exam 1. I managed to misinterpret one of the probablity questions about the tagged/untagged sheep for part a) but managed to show adequate working + correct formulas for b) and c) using the incorrect value."

Would I still get marks for b) and c) despite using the correct formulas since they are 1 mark questions?
Thanks
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:14:25 pm
One the topic of consequential marking, I asked this a few pages back and was wondering if you could help.

"Does anyone know if consequential marks apply for this exam? I know it does for Exam 2, not sure about Exam 1. I managed to misinterpret one of the probablity questions about the tagged/untagged sheep for part a) but managed to show adequate working + correct formulas for b) and c) using the incorrect value."

Would I still get marks for b) and c) despite using the correct formulas since they are 1 mark questions?
Thanks
Consequential questions do apply in Exam 1, however the condition is that the question specifically asks you to use your answer from a previous question. So unfortunately, the sheep questions were able to worked out individually without needing to use working from previous parts. Meaning, you could have technically worked out the correct answer for b) despite getting a) wrong.

So no, I don't think you'll be able to get those marks :( My sympathies to you, best of luck with Exam 2!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:15:36 pm
legit so lucky i dont have to verse you my god haha must be genius!
Looking at your plan of subjects for the next 2 years, you seem pretty smart yourself! To be honest, I wouldn't want to have competed against myself either, it was a pretty unfair system that favoured us!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Rayzorrz on November 02, 2016, 07:19:10 pm
Consequential questions do apply in Exam 1, however the condition is that the question specifically asks you to use your answer from a previous question. So unfortunately, the sheep questions were able to worked out individually without needing to use working from previous parts. Meaning, you could have technically worked out the correct answer for b) despite getting a) wrong.

So no, I don't think you'll be able to get those marks :( My sympathies to you, best of luck with Exam 2!

Ah I see, oh well that's understandable. Thank you for the insight  :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: mandermin on November 02, 2016, 07:20:38 pm
SAC score scaling is based on how well your cohort does on the Methods Exams. Schools that have a low SAC average, but do very well on the Exam will get their SACs scaled up. So it depends on your school, and where you are in terms of ranking!

A 45+ SS requires mid to high A+'s in both exams and SACs. So considering you did well in Exam 1, you can get away with 75-76/80 in Exam 2 for a 45!

Thanks. Say that my SAC gets scaled to high A+, will the marks required for exam 2 decrease?

Also, for Q2a), do we need to rationalize the surd, considering that its maths method?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Butterflygirl on November 02, 2016, 07:22:11 pm
At Balwyn High School, I was part of the Accelerated Learning Program. This basically meant I had 2 Year's of Year 11, and skipped Year 9. So I had 3 years of VCE as opposed to 2, and began doing 1/2 subjects in Year 10 (which was technically Year 9)!

Just had more opportunity to do more subjects :)

I just realised that I am doing the exact same subjects as you did in year 11! (I'm in year 11 now), except not going to do as well as you haha :P
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:23:37 pm
Thanks. Say that my SAC gets scaled to high A+, will the marks required for exam 2 decrease?

Also, for Q2a), do we need to rationalize the surd, considering that its maths method?
You'll still need a low A+ in exam 2. So 71-72/80 is usually the lower cut-off.

In Methods, you're technically supposed to be able to rationalise surds and present your answer in the simplest form. However, since the surd wasn't the answer, the arctan of that surd was, you may be able to get away with not rationalising. Don't quote me on that, though, examiners can be harsh.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:24:47 pm
I just realised that I am doing the exact same subjects as you did in year 11! (I'm in year 11 now), except not going to do as well as you haha :P
That's a lovely coincidence! English Language is seriously the best English you can do, no question. I'm sure you'll be able to do well, if not in these subjects, I'm sure others. Everyone has their strengths :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: TheProphetPancake on November 02, 2016, 07:26:30 pm
Okay peeps I got a few questions about some of my answers:
Q3a- how good did our graph have to be in order to get the full 2 marks? I got all the points and the asymptotes but i fear my graph drawing skills aren't exactly perefct (i.e the graph above y=2 wasn't a very good reflection of the graph below it)
Q4c- could we have left it as (16/81)^6 and gotten the mark, or did we have to simplify?
Q5a. iv- I used the second derivative test to determine the nature of the stationary point- d'you reckon they'd count that as valid?
Q5b. i- I stated that because the range of the inverse function was equal to the original's domain, you take the negative- would this be fine?
Q6a- did we have to include the unit per unit?
Q6b- I added 'units' to the end of my answer, because it asked for average value- that's not a problem, right?
Q8a- I antidifferentiated the x^(k-1) equation to get an expression, but then I left it there- could I still get 1 mark?
Q8b. ii-I stated that the median value was found from the integral from 0 to m, where m is the median value, which would equal 0.5. I then got the answer from part b (i) and approximated that using e=2.5, giving me an approximation of 13/25. I then stated that the median value would have to be greater the 1/e due to the area from 1/e to 1 being greater than 0.5. Would this allow me to get the full 2 marks?

Thanks heaps!!  :-*
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:31:40 pm
Hi, so I really really messed up this exam. Was hoping for full marks or close to that, but got 34 or 35/40. I misread a question and spent a lot of time on that, then ran out of time at the end. I am absolutely devastated and am praying for some encouraging words from somebody?? Is a 40+ still on the cards with low A+ SACs? I have been trying to forget about it all day because I want to go into exam 2 tomorrow with a clear mind, but I am feeling really disheartened.
Really sorry to hear that! People make mistakes sometimes, and it's very common that students choke on their exams, due to all that pressure.

On the bright side, getting a 34-35/40 is still a high A, and so, with your low A+ SAC scores, you might still be able to score a 42+ in the subject given you smash Exam 2!

It's definitely not easy forgetting about things you regret from a day ago, but I encourage you to do your best in forgetting about it! Aim for that high Exam 2 score, give it your all, and walk out of the exam room feeling proud that you've done all you could! I had a similar issue in my Methods exam back in the day, as I made a simple error which made me lose 2 marks in Exam 1! However, I accepted what I got, and aimed to do my best in Exam 2 to make up for it in order to aim for my goal of 45+ in Methods! And I managed to do it!

Wish you all the best in Exam 2. Be very careful in reading the questions, and watch out for the tricks they might use in the questions!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: meddentdream on November 02, 2016, 07:36:41 pm
Can anyone tell me where I could be looking at for study score??
I'm so devastated, at the start of the year i was doing terribly, with two sacs of B, but then improved drastically as the year went on, getting an A on the last sac and even in my practice exams have been getting A+'s, but today i stuffed up bad, getting a 32-33/40 (i can't remember what i put down for one question)
If i kind of make up for it tomorrow, get a low A+ or high A, what score can i be looking at, if i am ranked mid-high in a very tough cohort?
thank you!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: THEBEAST on November 02, 2016, 07:37:20 pm
Hey just a few quick questions
 Q1 a) and b)- did u have to specifically define u and v cause i directly showed use of product rule
Q4- i didnt define it as a binomial distribution but rather just write (2/3)^4 for working out, is this fine?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:40:26 pm
Okay peeps I got a few questions about some of my answers:
Q3a- how good did our graph have to be in order to get the full 2 marks? I got all the points and the asymptotes but i fear my graph drawing skills aren't exactly perefct (i.e the graph above y=2 wasn't a very good reflection of the graph below it)
Q4c- could we have left it as (16/81)^6 and gotten the mark, or did we have to simplify?
Q5a. iv- I used the second derivative test to determine the nature of the stationary point- d'you reckon they'd count that as valid?
Q5b. i- I stated that because the range of the inverse function was equal to the original's domain, you take the negative- would this be fine?
Q6a- did we have to include the unit per unit?
Q6b- I added 'units' to the end of my answer, because it asked for average value- that's not a problem, right?
Q8a- I antidifferentiated the x^(k-1) equation to get an expression, but then I left it there- could I still get 1 mark?
Q8b. ii-I stated that the median value was found from the integral from 0 to m, where m is the median value, which would equal 0.5. I then got the answer from part b (i) and approximated that using e=2.5, giving me an approximation of 13/25. I then stated that the median value would have to be greater the 1/e due to the area from 1/e to 1 being greater than 0.5. Would this allow me to get the full 2 marks?

Thanks heaps!!  :-*

3a) - VCAA provided you with a grid, so I think they're assuming you're calculating each point to get a close to perfect graph, so that it's to scale. However if you've labelled all the points, and the graph's only worth 2 marks, you might be able to get away with it. Don't quote me on that though.
4c) - In the Study Design, it's been pointed out that VCAA expects all answers to be in the simplest form. Many people put down (16/81)^6, though, since it's a follow-on from part a). Can't confirm you'll get the marks, but likely you will!
5a) - 2nd derivative is not on the Methods Study Design, so it's not accepted as valid working. People in Spesh tend to fall into the trap of taking the easy way out and double diffing.
5b) - That sounds reasonable, but depending on how you word it, it may or may not explain why you actually choose the negative solution. As long as you infer that you're choosing the -ve solution so it fits within the domain of the original (or range of inverse), you should be fine.
6a) - Back in my day I was always told to put units in when they ask for area, rate of change and other things. Not really sure if it matters, but it's a safeguard in case they are harsh and look for units! Highly unlikely to get penalised though.
6b) - No, that's not a problem.
8a) - What do you mean by "you left it there"? The question asked to show using differentiation, not anti-diff though. I'm not sure if that'll pass as valid.
8bii) - That's exactly what I've written in my suggested solutions, except in Maths form! So yes, that's perfect.

Good luck for Exam 2!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:41:11 pm
Can anyone tell me where I could be looking at for study score??
I'm so devastated, at the start of the year i was doing terribly, with two sacs of B, but then improved drastically as the year went on, getting an A on the last sac and even in my practice exams have been getting A+'s, but today i stuffed up bad, getting a 32-33/40 (i can't remember what i put down for one question)
If i kind of make up for it tomorrow, get a low A+ or high A, what score can i be looking at, if i am ranked mid-high in a very tough cohort?
thank you!
You would be looking around the 38+ SS range. Good luck for Exam 2!
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 07:42:42 pm
Hey just a few quick questions
 Q1 a) and b)- did u have to specifically define u and v cause i directly showed use of product rule
Q4- i didnt define it as a binomial distribution but rather just write (2/3)^4 for working out, is this fine?
Q1) - Depends on what your working looked like. If it shows u and du/dx and v and dv/dx clearly in your dy/dx expression before simplifying it, that should be fine.
Q4 - Yep, that's fine. Doesn't need to be solved via binomial distribution. Same with part c).
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 07:53:12 pm
Q1) - Depends on what your working looked like. If it shows u and du/dx and v and dv/dx clearly in your dy/dx expression before simplifying it, that should be fine.
Q4 - Yep, that's fine. Doesn't need to be solved via binomial distribution. Same with part c).

Hey,thanks for the contribution! Do you think is ok in the last question to find the area from 0 to 1/e is 12/25. (without any inequalities) then say 'therefore the median is greater'. Not sure i will get 2 marks for that since it is 'explain'.

Also for (0,0) a few people questioned me and said its an absolute minimum, not a local minimum. Most people just put 'minimum'. So is 'local minimum' really required?

Additionally, i saw that spesh working is not accepted. Is working from the old study design recommended? (for example, using determinant to solve simultaneous equations)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 08:02:05 pm
Hey,thanks for the contribution! Do you think is ok in the last question to find the area from 0 to 1/e is 12/25. (without any inequalities) then say 'therefore the median is greater'. Not sure i will get 2 marks for that since it is 'explain'.

Also for (0,0) a few people questioned me and said its an absolute minimum, not a local minimum. Most people just put 'minimum'. So is 'local minimum' really required?

Additionally, i saw that spesh working is not accepted. Is working from the old study design recommended? (for example, using determinant to solve simultaneous equations)
Your working for your last question should be fine, as long as you use e>5/2 somewhere in your working.

Technically the turning point was an absolute minimum, but usually when describing the nature of a stationary point in and of itself, you call it a local minimum/maximum. It's just playing safe. You're not wrong in putting minimum or absolute minimum down.

Working from the old study design isn't recommended, no. Try to stick to what you've learnt in the current study design. I was under the impression that the determinant was still in the course and usable? Perhaps not. Still worthwhile to learn about though :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Orb on November 02, 2016, 08:32:13 pm
5a) - 2nd derivative is not on the Methods Study Design, so it's not accepted as valid working. People in Spesh tend to fall into the trap of taking the easy way out and double diffing.

Even though it's not on the study design any valid Mathematical explanation is accepted. So your 2nd derivative method is perfectly fine :)

(I personally asked the Chair of the Exam Panel + Chief Assessor so yes this is definitely okay)

Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: JellyBeanz on November 02, 2016, 08:33:33 pm
Actually i was going to use the double derivative but was afraid it wouldn't be accepted. Resorted to showing the slops manually.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: decentxion on November 02, 2016, 08:43:34 pm
Even though it's not on the study design any valid Mathematical explanation is accepted. So your 2nd derivative method is perfectly fine :)

(I personally asked the Chair of the Exam Panel + Chief Assessor so yes this is definitely okay)
Noted! Thanks for the info :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: nishali123 on November 02, 2016, 08:46:30 pm
Hi, I stuffed up all my methods sacs and my sac average ended up being 44 %. If I get 25/40 for exam 1 and 55/80 for exam 2 do I have a chance of getting a study score of 30?
thanks :)
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Alex.Lindeman on November 02, 2016, 08:50:19 pm
Hey guys 2 questions...
1. With question 5)IV) If i worked out the stat points correctly and with previous knowledge of the function knew that it was a local min, would i get any marks for not showing how I got the Nature?

2. With 5)b) If i wrote k^-1(x) = -sqrrte^x-1 without stating that I got only the neg answer from the restriction, (only working to show was circling the domain) would i get the marks?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: TimGFranklin on November 02, 2016, 08:56:33 pm
I messed up question 4a, using (1/3)^4 instead of (2/3)^4 then did the rest of question 4 with pr(none) = (1/81)
If i did the other 2 parts of the questions correctly e.g. pr(X>1) = 1-pr(0) = (80/81) can i receive consequential marks for 4b and 4c?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: SONE0413 on November 02, 2016, 09:44:21 pm
can i still get over 33 SS if i only got like 60% for this exam thx xo (70% avg for SACs
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: xu0040 on November 02, 2016, 09:58:06 pm
I average around C for my methods SACs, am in the bottom 40% or something in my (selective) school's cohort.

I'm looking at 37-38/40 for exam 1, and assuming I get a similar score for exam 2, what will my SS look like?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: exit on November 02, 2016, 10:15:14 pm
I average around C for my methods SACs, am in the bottom 40% or something in my (selective) school's cohort.

I'm looking at 37-38/40 for exam 1, and assuming I get a similar score for exam 2, what will my SS look like?

37-38 would for sure be a+, but the sacs even after scaling may be the main factor is dragging your score down. I would say low 40s.
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: Ggsin on November 04, 2016, 11:16:09 pm
Hi does anyone know if you just write minimum, instead of local minimum if you get it wrong?
Title: Re: Suggested Answers and Discussion - 2016 VCE Methods Exam 1
Post by: empf on November 04, 2016, 11:29:26 pm
Just adding onto the question above, does anyone know if they would accept 'stationary minimum'? Don't know what I was thinking since I originally had 'local minimum' but changed it.