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HSC Stuff => HSC Maths Stuff => HSC Subjects + Help => HSC Mathematics Advanced => Topic started by: jamonwindeyer on August 03, 2017, 01:13:48 pm
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Here's a space for you guys to discuss the 2017 CSSA 2U Exam! Were the questions kind? Did you study the right things? How would you change your approach for the real thing in October?
Papers were required to be held until today (Thursday 17th) so we can now chat about the questions and the approaches we took. However, please do not share copies of the exam or anything similar!
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I thought it was pretty tough- q14 and q15 had some tricky elements, but I found 16 not that bad!
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I thought it was pretty tough- q14 and q15 had some tricky elements, but I found 16 not that bad!
Always nice when you can handle Q16 regardless of the rest 8)
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q 15 was oddly simple, the last question, good grief, I've lost all marks there.
Overall, for a CSSA exam, and the difficulty I've heard about them, it wasn't as bad as I thought. Still not a good mark, but better.
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Yeah, q 16 was oddly simple, the last question, good grief, I've lost all marks there.
Overall, for a CSSA exam, and the difficulty I've heard about them, it wasn't as bad as I thought. Still not a good mark, but better.
What do you hear about the difficulty of CSSA exams?
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Multiple choice, question 11-13 and 15 were not that bad. Question 14 confused me a lot!! Took me a long time to figure out how to do the last part for question 16. Just realised how to do it in the last five minutes and didn't finish my answer :(. Honestly don't really mind if I get 70%-80% for this exam, cssa maths exams are quite tricky!
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What do you hear about the difficulty of CSSA exams?
"Stupidly difficult" :P
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When can we start discussing the answers?
Just want to know if what other people got for a few questions...
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When can we start discussing the answers?
Just want to know if what other people got for a few questions...
I feel you, discussing answers and how to get to them would be cool!
Sadly, for some reason, others schools do these papers later (makes no sense to me) so I'd guess a week or further.
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Ok so I'm a little confused - I'm on here for my son - why is this only a CSSA discussion ? Is there a separate one for public schools and again for independent schools ?? Doesn't everyone sit them at the same time and the same exam ????
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When can we start discussing the answers?
Just want to know if what other people got for a few questions...
There is a security period that you're not allowed to openly discuss the paper with. Jamon will have the actual date for you."Stupidly difficult" :P
Lol. I reckon that's the independents papers, not CSSA.
CSSA ain't easy but they're not that bad imo.
Ok so I'm a little confused - I'm on here for my son - why is this only a CSSA discussion ? Is there a separate one for public schools and again for independent schools ?? Doesn't everyone sit them at the same time and the same exam ????
Short answer - No.
That's only the case for the actual HSC exam, not the trials.
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Ok so I'm a little confused - I'm on here for my son - why is this only a CSSA discussion ? Is there a separate one for public schools and again for independent schools ?? Doesn't everyone sit them at the same time and the same exam ????
The trials are still considered an 'internal assessment', so the school can pick which trial paper to use. From what I know, all Catholic schools use the CSSA paper, whereas other schools will either purchase a different paper or make the trial paper themselves. The reason this is called the CSSA discussion is because there is such a majority of students who do this paper. The final HSC paper is the only 'external assessment', where every student who studies the subject will take the same paper, at the same time
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I thought it was pretty tough- q14 and q15 had some tricky elements, but I found 16 not that bad!
16 was fine, the integration with the trig graphs was confusing... i think that was in q14 but i'm not sure
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q 15 was oddly simple, the last question, good grief, I've lost all marks there.
Overall, for a CSSA exam, and the difficulty I've heard about them, it wasn't as bad as I thought. Still not a good mark, but better.
Which was the last?
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Which was the last?
Please do not ask for questions on this thread - as mentioned in the opening post, some students have not completed the paper.
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i was definitely not a fan of this exam at all... i found it quite difficult. everything up to question 11 was okay, 14 was alright, and the rest was for lack of other words, terrible. i don't think i prepared enough but that's always something to improve on in the lead up to the hsc. :-)
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pretty much......wth?!..i thought the exam was pretty ridiculous tbh and definitely played up to the description of a 'cssa paper' ??? ???
there were a fair few questions i didnt attempt but nothing like a challenge to get us going for the hsc :)
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Wasn't a great paper. Feel a little deflated that I did the most study for Maths and it will probably be my lowest percentage. I know it's all relative but it's hard to be happy with yourself after leaving a lot of questions blank. I remember on one question I couldn't do the very first part and they didn't have 'show that...', I looked at the next parts and you needed part (i) which I would have been able to do if they had of given it to us. From memory, there were 6 marks following part (i) that all needed the value. Thought that was a bit harsh. Just hoping my rank doesn't change much now.
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Does anyone want to PM me some of the questions and unleash some rage that they can't otherwise do in public?
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Does anyone want to PM me some of the questions and unleash some rage that they can't otherwise do in public?
nah sorry i think i'd rather leave that pain in the past
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nah sorry i think i'd rather leave that pain in the past
Which is fair enough. Nobody's obliged to, especially when the remaining exams should be the priority right now.
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I found q14 a mind killer, the rest was pretty okay! I was on the right track for q16 but stumbled across a few errors along the way, which I hope to eradicate by HSC ;D
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Please do not post the specific questions - Some students are yet to complete the paper and we want to keep it fair!
Note: Also not just a matter of fairness. There is a security period on CSSA papers :)
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Note: Also not just a matter of fairness. There is a security period on CSSA papers :)
Yeah precisely ;D I think there were people above wondering when we can discuss fully, that's when the security period finishes, which is Thursday 17th ;D
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I was wondering if anyone knows their schools' average for the CSSA? Also, is 86 a good mark for the 20177 CSSA paper? I'm happy because i kept my rank, but want to know how this compares to other schools. What was the highest at other schools?
Thanks!!
:)
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I was wondering if anyone knows their schools' average for the CSSA? Also, is 86 a good mark for the 20177 CSSA paper? I'm happy because i kept my rank, but want to know how this compares to other schools. What was the highest at other schools?
Thanks!!
:)
i don't know the average for mine, but it's somewhere between 55-60. 86 is a great mark! our highest was 89. (i think)
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Average at my school was probably 70s or 80s but my brother got 100 (yr 11)
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I was wondering if anyone knows their schools' average for the CSSA? Also, is 86 a good mark for the 20177 CSSA paper? I'm happy because i kept my rank, but want to know how this compares to other schools. What was the highest at other schools?
Thanks!!
:)
Our average was around 75-80. Highest was 99 (don't even know how that's possible)
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Our average was around 75-80. Highest was 99 (don't even know how that's possible)
Pretty much always, the person who comes first in the state (or people who tie it) get 100 raw in the final exam. 2U is designed so that this certainly isn't impossible.
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Average at my school was probably 70s or 80s but my brother got 100 (yr 11)
I wish!!
Pretty much always, the person who comes first in the state (or people who tie it) get 100 raw in the final exam. 2U is designed so that this certainly isn't impossible.
Yeah but HSC is significantly easier than CSSA
Mod edit: Posts merged
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Yeah but HSC is significantly easier than CSSA
Is it?
I can see how it's easier but I never felt it was "significantly" easier
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Is it?
I can see how it's easier but I never felt it was "significantly" easier
Well not necessarily the entire thing, but for HSC you very much know what to expect with the style of questions so if you practise a lot you are good to go but I think with CSSA at times there are questions that throw you off if you haven't seen that style before or aren't great with thinking on your feet.
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A small barrier gets drawn by the fact that CSSA papers are copyrighted, so students have a lack of past papers. At the end of the day, if there were just as many CSSA papers available as is NESA papers, and of course the student has enough time, they would just as well be able to excel at CSSA papers also. It's just about training your abilities to adapt.
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Well not necessarily the entire thing, but for HSC you very much know what to expect with the style of questions so if you practise a lot you are good to go but I think with CSSA at times there are questions that throw you off if you haven't seen that style before or aren't great with thinking on your feet.
This. The style of q's are not like common and they do test your knowledge. They were designed to test your knowledge and be " harder" than the HSC.
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A small barrier gets drawn by the fact that CSSA papers are copyrighted, so students have a lack of past papers. At the end of the day, if there were just as many CSSA papers available as is NESA papers, and of course the student has enough time, they would just as well be able to excel at CSSA papers also. It's just about training your abilities to adapt.
Idk about that cause so many people have copies of CSSA
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Idk about that cause so many people have copies of CSSA
Forgetting that most of the time it'd be most likely illegally obtained, it's quite hard to find people who have almost all of them (or have the time to do them as well).
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A small barrier gets drawn by the fact that CSSA papers are copyrighted, so students have a lack of past papers. At the end of the day, if there were just as many CSSA papers available as is NESA papers, and of course the student has enough time, they would just as well be able to excel at CSSA papers also. It's just about training your abilities to adapt.
I fully agree with this. Throughout the year our papers were very similar to HSC and I went into the trials with 140/147 9my study was solely HSC past papers). I assumed this method would work for CSSA but lost a lot of confidence when I couldn't do the early questions. I only just scraped a pass in the CSSA paper and I put it down to lack of familiarity. Under different circumstances, I could have probably gotten >75%. The very next paper I did was 2011 HSC and I didn't drop a mark until question 9. I can guarantee that there isn't that big of a disparity between CSSA and HSC and I feel my trial result reflected mindset rather than ability.