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Title: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on September 25, 2017, 11:45:04 pm
WEEK 2

The excerpt recording and exam-style response sheet are available right here!

Question (8 Marks)

An excerpt (1 minute 30 seconds) from Eucalyptus performed by The Presets, will be played five times, for you to answer the question.

First Playing - Short Pause
Second Playing - 30 Second Pause
Third Playing - 1 Minute Pause
Fourth Playing - 2 Minute Pause
Fifth Playing - 2 Minute Pause

Explain how duration and tone colour are used in this excerpt.


Post any responses you have below, be it a proper response under exam conditions or just a handful of things you think would be included in an answer! Give feedback to other people, build on each others answers, and I'll be sure to give feedback as well ;D

Looking forward to seeing what you guys come up with :)
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: liamwindeyer on September 26, 2017, 07:36:58 pm
Damn, the Presets take me back  ;D

Anyway, I'll just list the topic points like I did last time, cus lazy etc. etc.
1. Constant vivace tempo - Unity
2. Constant quaver rhythmic motif - Unity
3. Constant strong, definite beat (accented downbeats from the drum machine) - Unity
4. Electronic/synthesized instruments provide accompaniment to the acoustic(?) vocal melodies - Contrast
5. There is a tiiiiiiiiinnny bit of syncopation in that motif in the first and second verses - Interest
6. After each verse, there is a rhythmic unison created between the sub-bass and the added higher-pitched synthesizer - Interest
7. Rhythms of the vocal melodies slightly vary the rhythmic motif (adding rests and elongating notes), also adding some rubato at the end of lines for the lulz - Interest
8. That bridge thingy-ma-jig involves the sub-bass playing static contours (with the same motif) whilst a synth-pad provides long drones - Unity / Interest / Contrast
9. Vocal melodies in the bridge thingy also uses longer note values (semibreves and what-have-you) - Contrast / Interest

Now just pretend again I have used obligatory graphic notation and eloquent, concise wording
(Also pretend I mentioned metre, as I have not and am a fool)
(Aaaand also pretend I mentioned tone colour a bit more, k thx  ;D)
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: georgiia on September 27, 2017, 11:16:57 am
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Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: DalvinT on September 28, 2017, 01:45:38 pm
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Here’s mineee :)
I’m so bad at aural nowwwww.
Is it alright if you could a mark as well with the feedback ?
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 01, 2017, 11:21:56 am
I've not forgotten you guys! Just been crazy busy over the weekend - Will mark these for you asap ;D
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: DalvinT on October 01, 2017, 02:26:25 pm
All good, Jamon ! :) Not in any rushhh
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: georgiia on October 01, 2017, 02:35:26 pm
I've not forgotten you guys! Just been crazy busy over the weekend - Will mark these for you asap ;D

Wait will this count as part of the 50 posts for marking?
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 01, 2017, 05:18:55 pm
Wait will this count as part of the 50 posts for marking?

Nah definitely not - This doesn't take anywhere near as long so doesn't need to be 'paid' for ;)
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: georgiia on October 01, 2017, 05:35:49 pm
Nah definitely not - This doesn't take anywhere near as long so doesn't need to be 'paid' for ;)

Ok great thanks!
I have a bit of a trivial question, but since the music exam is same day as english and I'm not going to be wanting to do practise questions right before i go in because I don't think that will be of benefit to me, what do you think is the best way to revise last minute but in a way that is effective and not just reading over past responses? If you're not sure then don't worry but in trials I know that I waisted my time between the exams and perhaps doing something would've made me feel a little more confident.

Thank you:)
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 01, 2017, 05:44:27 pm
Ok great thanks!
I have a bit of a trivial question, but since the music exam is same day as english and I'm not going to be wanting to do practise questions right before i go in because I don't think that will be of benefit to me, what do you think is the best way to revise last minute but in a way that is effective and not just reading over past responses? If you're not sure then don't worry but in trials I know that I waisted my time between the exams and perhaps doing something would've made me feel a little more confident.

Thank you:)

I reckon just listen to some music! Pick stuff you like, listen out for what you can hear, just do the aural analysis in your head in a really chilled way ;D
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: caitlinlddouglas on October 02, 2017, 02:59:18 pm
Hey here is my response , I'm not too good at notating rhythms though- any tips?
Thanks heaps!
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 02, 2017, 04:53:41 pm
Damn, the Presets take me back  ;D

Anyway, I'll just list the topic points like I did last time, cus lazy etc. etc.
1. Constant vivace tempo - Unity
2. Constant quaver rhythmic motif - Unity
3. Constant strong, definite beat (accented downbeats from the drum machine) - Unity
4. Electronic/synthesized instruments provide accompaniment to the acoustic(?) vocal melodies - Contrast
5. There is a tiiiiiiiiinnny bit of syncopation in that motif in the first and second verses - Interest
6. After each verse, there is a rhythmic unison created between the sub-bass and the added higher-pitched synthesizer - Interest
7. Rhythms of the vocal melodies slightly vary the rhythmic motif (adding rests and elongating notes), also adding some rubato at the end of lines for the lulz - Interest
8. That bridge thingy-ma-jig involves the sub-bass playing static contours (with the same motif) whilst a synth-pad provides long drones - Unity / Interest / Contrast
9. Vocal melodies in the bridge thingy also uses longer note values (semibreves and what-have-you) - Contrast / Interest

Now just pretend again I have used obligatory graphic notation and eloquent, concise wording
(Also pretend I mentioned metre, as I have not and am a fool)
(Aaaand also pretend I mentioned tone colour a bit more, k thx  ;D)

Hey Liam - Yep, you've definitely mentioned all the right things here. You are right, would like to see more mention of tone colour - The balance should be 50/50 or as close to it as possible (you'd want to sway more in the direction of duration for this question, probably, since there is a lot to discuss). And yes, adding rhythmic notations and discussions of metre would be my two biggest suggestions in terms of addressing duration more directly ;D

Essentially, take these ideas and put them into an actual response and you'd be sitting very pretty ;D
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 02, 2017, 05:10:12 pm
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(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170927/c68c971662c7123992bc107c577cc0e2.jpg)

Hey Georgia!

- Excellent job setting up the tempo and metre early on - Easy points!
- Love that you've notated a few rhythms - That ostinato you notated first is actually just quavers, but you still get points. The second quaver is hard to hear because the one on the beat is heavily accented
- Ensure your observations are organised as much as possible - You shouldn't be discussing the tone colour in Verse 1, in the Intro section!
- Modulation isn't the term for tempo, you want accelerando or ritardando (modulation is for key!)
- Your discussion of tone colour in verses is too sparse, but it is fantastic in the Chorus (what you called Verse 3). Try and discuss a bit of duration in Verse 3 as well, and a bit more tone colour in the verses. Overall though, good job achieving the balance!

Overall, really good response Georgia! Take a look at some of the other responses to see what you might have missed, but I think you've done a great job! :)

The synth hurt my ears too ;)
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: georgiia on October 02, 2017, 05:20:05 pm
Hey Georgia!

- Excellent job setting up the tempo and metre early on - Easy points!
- Love that you've notated a few rhythms - That ostinato you notated first is actually just quavers, but you still get points. The second quaver is hard to hear because the one on the beat is heavily accented
- Ensure your observations are organised as much as possible - You shouldn't be discussing the tone colour in Verse 1, in the Intro section!
- Modulation isn't the term for tempo, you want accelerando or ritardando (modulation is for key!)
- Your discussion of tone colour in verses is too sparse, but it is fantastic in the Chorus (what you called Verse 3). Try and discuss a bit of duration in Verse 3 as well, and a bit more tone colour in the verses. Overall though, good job achieving the balance!

Overall, really good response Georgia! Take a look at some of the other responses to see what you might have missed, but I think you've done a great job! :)

The synth hurt my ears too ;)

Thanks for the feedback!
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 02, 2017, 07:23:06 pm
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/c34bac0998050f1dceae0317fdf07568.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170928/41d26af703d29ce2d9e48ceed56887f3.jpg)

Here’s mineee :)
I’m so bad at aural nowwwww.
Is it alright if you could a mark as well with the feedback ?

Hey!

- Excellent job on the rhythmic notations - Particularly for doing more than just the obvious notation of the bass line quavers. I'm not quite registering where you've heard the demi-semiquavers though, I don't think there are any note values that short in this excerpt (the tempo is allegro, so demi-semiquavers at this speed would be nuts!). Happy to be corrected if there is something I've missed!
- Remember tempo! A super easy observation that should always appear near the start, really essential not to miss the simple stuff :)
- I like that you've chosen to do tone colour/duration as separate responses completely. I actually think that is a good idea - In an exam would you work on both simultaneously or allocate playings to each one?
- Your tone colour observations are pretty spot on - Not much I would have added to it. Be sure your duration observations don't leak into this part of the response, if you are doing it this way.
- A bit more exploration of the different synthesised sounds you are hearing would be welcome - You've got that deep, thudding bassline in the verses but then the higher pitched synthesiser enters in conjunction with the shift to falsetto in the chorus. Very different moods - Would be worth exploring those differences as achieved by more than just the voice :)
- Good work to mention the genre: Something a lot of people forget!

I don't think you are bad at aural at all! This is an effective response for sure - I think you've shown you could easily be in the Band 5 range, the high Band 5 range at that. I think you are right on the edge of a Band 6 level score, just a little extra work and I'd be more confident in saying you've gotten there ;D
Title: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: DalvinT on October 03, 2017, 05:23:08 pm
Hey!

- Excellent job on the rhythmic notations - Particularly for doing more than just the obvious notation of the bass line quavers. I'm not quite registering where you've heard the demi-semiquavers though, I don't think there are any note values that short in this excerpt (the tempo is allegro, so demi-semiquavers at this speed would be nuts!). Happy to be corrected if there is something I've missed!
- Remember tempo! A super easy observation that should always appear near the start, really essential not to miss the simple stuff :)
- I like that you've chosen to do tone colour/duration as separate responses completely. I actually think that is a good idea - In an exam would you work on both simultaneously or allocate playings to each one?
- Your tone colour observations are pretty spot on - Not much I would have added to it. Be sure your duration observations don't leak into this part of the response, if you are doing it this way.
- A bit more exploration of the different synthesised sounds you are hearing would be welcome - You've got that deep, thudding bassline in the verses but then the higher pitched synthesiser enters in conjunction with the shift to falsetto in the chorus. Very different moods - Would be worth exploring those differences as achieved by more than just the voice :)
- Good work to mention the genre: Something a lot of people forget!

I don't think you are bad at aural at all! This is an effective response for sure - I think you've shown you could easily be in the Band 5 range, the high Band 5 range at that. I think you are right on the edge of a Band 6 level score, just a little extra work and I'd be more confident in saying you've gotten there ;D

Thanks so much , JAMONN! This is such an awesome idea of doing this aural skills club haha.
I really love the feedback :) ! Looking forward to further strengthening my aural through this!
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 03, 2017, 07:25:17 pm
Hey here is my response , I'm not too good at notating rhythms though- any tips?
Thanks heaps!

Hey Caitlin!

- Excellent work on rhythmic observations in Verse 1 - You've also covered beat, metre and tempo. Nice!
- Good work on tone colour in Verse 1 as well - Remember for vocalists you can discuss their register as an easy detail to add ;D
- The second synthesiser you describe (I think I'm following you), doesn't play sixteenth notes, it actually plays in rhythmic unison with the first, more bass like synthesiser riff!
- Fantastic discussion of the tone colour differences in Verse 2! Some more discussion of the new rhythmic patterns in this section would be beneficial.

For rhythmic dictation, if you are having trouble, start not with notes but with lines representing the relative length of the notes. So,

-   -   -   ----------    -   -   -   ------------

^ Something like that - This might be where you stop and the markers are okay with that! Otherwise, it can be a building block to the notes themselves ;D
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: caitlinlddouglas on October 03, 2017, 08:05:00 pm
Hey Caitlin!

- Excellent work on rhythmic observations in Verse 1 - You've also covered beat, metre and tempo. Nice!
- Good work on tone colour in Verse 1 as well - Remember for vocalists you can discuss their register as an easy detail to add ;D
- The second synthesiser you describe (I think I'm following you), doesn't play sixteenth notes, it actually plays in rhythmic unison with the first, more bass like synthesiser riff!
- Fantastic discussion of the tone colour differences in Verse 2! Some more discussion of the new rhythmic patterns in this section would be beneficial.

For rhythmic dictation, if you are having trouble, start not with notes but with lines representing the relative length of the notes. So,

-   -   -   ----------    -   -   -   ------------

^ Something like that - This might be where you stop and the markers are okay with that! Otherwise, it can be a building block to the notes themselves ;D
thanks so much for the feedback!!
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: jamonwindeyer on October 03, 2017, 08:32:31 pm
You are welcome guys!! Will have a third week ready asap ;D
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: Kombmail on June 19, 2019, 08:27:30 pm
Hey here is my response , I'm not too good at notating rhythms though- any tips?
Thanks heaps!

Just realized that you posted a file onto this. Can someone tell me how to post a file without getting any file sizing complaints?
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: Kombmail on June 26, 2019, 03:09:56 pm
Hey Guys! Would anyone know about a website in which there are past papers but they have answers too not generalizations?
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: katie,rinos on June 26, 2019, 07:09:24 pm
Just realized that you posted a file onto this. Can someone tell me how to post a file without getting any file sizing complaints?
If you're getting file sizing complaints you could always upload a picture to imgur and then put it on the forums.
how to upload pictures to the forums
To embed an image to your post it needs to be uploaded to a site like imgur. Once the picture is uploaded, in the right hand corner there is a arrow and once pressed, the option to get share links. Copy and paste the one that says BBCode (Forums) and the image will work in your post.

Hey Guys! Would anyone know about a website in which there are past papers but they have answers too not generalizations?
I don't know any websites that would have full answers :(.

This websites from 2001 but includes 4 different aural questions and different examples of what students have written for it (so you can see the difference between a band 3/4 to a 5/6).  https://arc.nesa.nsw.edu.au/standards-packs/SP01_15290/

Other then that, this website which has HSC questions from 2001-2017 with their excerpts. http://www.musicconcepts.com.au/stage6_music1_analysis.html. Or just the HSC marking guidelines.


Hope this helps!! :)
Title: Re: AA Club - Week 2
Post by: Kombmail on June 27, 2019, 08:32:22 pm
Here is my response for week 2 AA someone please check it and rate it out of 6 marks. I really need help in finding what I need to work on in music theory.
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