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National Education => Tuition Companies and Services => Tuition and Education Services => VCE (and related) Businesses => Topic started by: Collin Li on October 22, 2009, 05:32:58 pm
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Does anybody find this hilarious?
Look at http://boredofstudies.com.au (hold on a sec, BoS is at boredofstudies.org)
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????? I don't understand
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LOL sigh. If only they'd buy vcenotes.com.au to up our egos too.
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lol. Good find. Sometimes it just makes me wonder... What is our world coming to?
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????? I don't understand
It's just that TSFX bought the domain www.boredofstudies.com.au to re-direct to their website to trick people who typo'd the BoS website. It's a pretty common marketing strategy actually...just buying domains similar to the target market you're appealing to and hope that they type in the wrong domain.
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Also known as cybersquatting.
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LOL sigh. If only they'd buy vcenotes.com.au to up our egos too.
VCENotes is currently parked by our benevolent dictator according to this WHOIS lookup:
Domain Name: vcenotes.com.au
Last Modified: 01-Mar-2009 23:15:06 UTC
Registrar ID: Aust Domains
Registrar Name: Aust Domains
Status: ok
Registrant: LEVY, JOSHUA BENJAMIN
Registrant ID: ABN 11265153655
Eligibility Type: Sole Trader
Registrant Contact ID: R-000168178-SN
Registrant Contact Name: Joshua Levy
Registrant Contact Email: Visit whois.ausregistry.com.au for Web based WhoIs
Tech Contact ID: C133772-AD
Tech Contact Name: Joshua Levy
Tech Contact Email: Visit whois.ausregistry.com.au for Web based WhoIs
Name Server: ns1.austdomains.com.au
Name Server IP: 203.170.87.10
Name Server: ns2.austdomains.com.au
Name Server IP: 203.170.87.10
(note that this is all publicly available information before you jump the privacy gun...)
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lol tsfx is so dodgy.. or maybe someone just bought it, re-directed the domain to their site just to make people think negatively of them ( in addition to the "scaring" people into attending their sessions).
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Oh thanks I get it now. as a TSFX employee and avid fan of VCE notes and not a big fan of BOS I do everything I can to promote you guys. I really don't believe there's anything dodgy in this though-it's just the cut throat nature of surviving in business
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Thats quite funny lol
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Lol TSFX advertising strategies are so sly.
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tsfx is the most f***ed up s*** i've seen in a while.
they provided me with 2 set of exams. they don't give solutions until their trial exam correction sessions. wtf?
okay now thats bad enough i decided to attend just for those solutions. ITS F***** BOOKED OUT ... they run a sh** of methods classes yet they only have 2 trial exam correction sessions -.- . wheres my justice?
talked to the b**** on the phone. nothing she can do about it. i am going to slap the f*** out of someone at tsfx one day.
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Desperate times call for desperate measures.
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tsfx is the most f***ed up s*** i've seen in a while.
they provided me with 2 set of exams. they don't give solutions until their trial exam correction sessions. wtf?
okay now thats bad enough i decided to attend just for those solutions. ITS F***** BOOKED OUT ... they run a sh** of methods classes yet they only have 2 trial exam correction sessions -.- . wheres my justice?
talked to the b**** on the phone. nothing she can do about it. i am going to slap the f*** out of someone at tsfx one day.
I know this is late but you did know that their solutions were up on the their website, right?
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i notcied that after their lecture. like i didnt go but i checked a day or two after and then it was up. stilll. i was stressing
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i notcied that after their lecture. like i didnt go but i checked a day or two after and then it was up. stilll. i was stressing
That's good. I reckon they should really advertise that site more to Intense Workshop students though. Not many students go on that site to check updates.
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TSFX has the WORST advertising strategy!
My mailbox at home keeps getting junk mail from them... my email inbox gets double copies of their emails... AND I have told them I want to un-subscribe! :S
Their advertising is propaganda. Seriously.
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Wow, that is disgusting. TSFX :thumbsdown:
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Yes! I typed that in today, and it came up with TSFX. Witty indeed.
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Wow, that is disgusting. TSFX :thumbsdown:
very cheap and extremely shifty
(to think that I went to their bio lectures...)
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TSFX is not a great company. They should be ashamed:
- They teach outside of study designs
- They use scare tactics to lure students
- Their exams are not realistic nor do they have accurate answers.
About the only good thing to say about them is that some of their teachers may actually be decent and helpful. But, apart from that, there is not much. There is little respect for students in that company.
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Do you have anything with which to base these allegations on? Pretty serious allegations to make!
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I very much agree with everything aleitu1 said. I went to a free TSFX lecture earlier this year, and I must say, I'm glad it was free because I would never pay for one of those lectures! I've signed up to TSFX's VCEdge purely for the English sample responses they have there... but that also means my email inbox AND home mailbox are constantly spammed with propaganda!
Do you have anything with which to base these allegations on? Pretty serious allegations to make!
And cava, interesting first post... are you affiliated with TSFX at all? ;) From personal experience, people make allegations not only based on opinion, but also on fact.
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tsfx should find out the person making the allegations and sue for damages
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I very much agree with everything aleitu1 said. I went to a free TSFX lecture earlier this year, and I must say, I'm glad it was free because I would never pay for one of those lectures! I've signed up to TSFX's VCEdge purely for the English sample responses they have there... but that also means my email inbox AND home mailbox are constantly spammed with propaganda!
Do you have anything with which to base these allegations on? Pretty serious allegations to make!
And cava, interesting first post... are you affiliated with TSFX at all? ;) From personal experience, people make allegations not only based on opinion, but also on fact.
I emailed them to unsubscribe and haven't had an email since...
But I am still waiting for it to come :(
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@Cambridge Agree. I have never been to their lectures but I have certainly received their free notes which were not helpful overall. I also got the impression that my friends that did the course were learning peripheral information that they never needed for the exam.
@googoo This is critical review, there are no false allegations.
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tsfx should find out the person making the allegations and sue for damages
Not a chance.
The writer could easily defend their case. The statements were made in good faith and were a fair comment on a matter of public and educational interest. The defence of justification could also be used in terms of the writer's first point - it is substantially true that TSFX teaches outside of the study designs prescribed by the VCAA. The defence of honest opinion could be used in regards to the writer's second and third points - these points were merely an expression of their opinion, not a statement of fact.
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In my eyes, cava, the statements were in no way defamatory. They were written for the educational and moral interest of the VCENotes community. They are an expression of one's honest and truthful opinion only.
Same thing goes for a food critic. They are required to write honest reviews about their restaurant experiences, both good and bad, because this is the role they play.
aleitu1 was merely playing the role of a student, expressing his views on the matter to allow other members to be more informed about the TSFX company. Once again, the comments were NOT defamatory. I'm almost certain cava and googoo are from TSFX.
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yes i am from tsfx
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yes i am from tsfx
I see.
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yes i am from tsfx
we are scared...
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Oh yes and @ Cava (I missed your comment) - my "allegations" are merely judgements based on my interaction with company materials (exams, notes, emails).
@Cambridge: Your points are correct. I am entitled to review TSFX's services; to criticise and not recommend their service. I have in no way made a claim that is concrete and defamatory. My points are opinions which I can in some way substantiate, I'm not here to write a research paper, but I can give a few quick supporting ideas if you like. (That is not if you like, if others like).
@googoo If you are, take your implicit threats elsewhere, okay? In my opinion TSFX sucks.
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I'm no lawyer (and nobody else here is either) but saying they have no respect for students sure sounds defamatory to me. Not that I see much point in a lawsuit against a student.
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Russ (I have a lot of respect for you BTW). I disagree mate. I said little "respect", it is a judgement. I could even say they have no respect. I could say they are stupid, I could say many things. As long as the arguments are not violent or threatening, I am fine. As long as I do not make up any phony stories, I am fine. For example, if I was to say: "TSFX stole $10 from me", and this was not true, it would be defamation.
Just look to politics and the way that politicians attack each other with words, it is fine. However making a false claim about a company or person is not fine.
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I made no threats, i said tsfx should ......
if you couldn't distinguish a threat from not, then your judgment is ill-founded
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Here is a fun TSFX student experience that you may not find on their website.
'I went to the TSFX head office to buy some further maths notes. I was still charged the full price even though I did not not attend the lecture. After receiving the materials from the receptionist, I opened the envelope only to discover that the notes for an entire module were missing. After questioning her about this she said that they had run out. She didn't even bother to think of telling me.'
Happened to my friend...
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I made no threats, i said tsfx should ......
if you couldn't distinguish a threat from not, then your judgment is ill-founded
I never said you did, there was an implicit suggestion there though. Don't take what I said out of context, please!
@ stonecold - thanks for sharing.
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I thought I might add this in:
Defamation is a statement or other published material that lowers the reputation of the plaintiff in the eyes of others in the community.
Defences to defamation:
Justification - The defence of justification is used when a statement is true or in public interest. The onus is on the person making the statement to justify it.
Fair comment - The defendant must show that the statement of opinion, honestly held, was made in public interest.
I do agree with Russ though, in any case, even if TSFX decided to sue - they wouldn't get much in return from a student - the costs of going to court and legal fees would more than what they would get in return. It's pointless from the view of TSFX, to sue.
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Uh so...
I'm a noob Year 10...
...should I sign up for TSFX Unit 3 - get ahead - lecture for Psychology? $95?
I'm confused :(
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EPL.11.4ever. - Yes, but it's not that simple.
@iNerd: Do what you want, I think you shouldn't.
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it is not about how much, it is about teaching some idiots a lesson
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it is not about how much, it is about teaching some idiots a lesson
Please do elaborate.
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Well, in my opinion, you are not very good at teaching lessons.
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once again only idiots vegot the wrong ideas. ive never said i teach idiots a lesson because i am not a good teacher to do so
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Yep.
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So...wats the best company for lectures? or are lectures just a waste of time overall? more ideal to just get the notes off someone else for like 10 bucks?
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So...wats the best company for lectures? or are lectures just a waste of time overall? more ideal to just get the notes off someone else for like 10 bucks?
Buy the old notes second hand and that is all you need. :)
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So...wats the best company for lectures? or are lectures just a waste of time overall? more ideal to just get the notes off someone else for like 10 bucks?
Buy the old notes second hand and that is all you need. :)
haha ok, i shall :)
but defs go to derrick ha's yea wen i do methods?
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@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
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@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
+1
I'm ...now off TSFX...forever....NEAP time :)
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@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
+1
I'm ...now off TSFX...forever....NEAP time :)
I was never for NEAP or TSFX. I was much more productive as a self-learner. But that's just me.
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@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
+1
I'm ...now off TSFX...forever....NEAP time :)
I was never for NEAP or TSFX. I was much more productive as a self-learner. But that's just me.
Me too. Why not go off and write your own notes, guys? It would be so much more productive and useful!
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Self-learners rock!
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Especially for psych, which is inherently interesting.
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Oh yes I agree. I'm not a psych student but I have been doing Yale intro-psych in my free time and it is soooo interesting :)
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@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
i don't think tfsx wants idiots from ere
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@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
i don't think tfsx wants idiots from ere
it is clear this troll is not from tsfx. someone ban the tool.
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yes i am from tsfx
@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
i don't think tfsx wants idiots from ere
You've dug yourself deep into a hole here.
Either:
-You do work for TSFX, and have publicly denigrated your own customers.
-You don't work for TSFX and have blatantly lied to us all.
So which one is it?
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Well when I offered to fax in the print out to TSFX this morning- they said their lawyers would be extremely interested. I think you should be very careful about what you put on a public forum about any company, not just TSFX, and there has been a fair bit on here-Mental Blank, TSSM and most damaging of all, individuals such as Irena and Chris Ireson for example.
If you can't support your accusation-don't put it out there. Simple! Call it what you like, defammation, cyber bullying, I don't care but it's wrong.
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Interesting.
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Definitely wouldn't surprise me if you worked for TSFX.
Both of your posts have defended TSFX, and they are both in this thread.
I've never known a student that has been so defensive about ANY education company.
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Well when I offered to fax in the print out to TSFX this morning- they said their lawyers would be extremely interested. I think you should be very careful about what you put on a public forum about any company, not just TSFX, and there has been a fair bit on here-Mental Blank, TSSM and most damaging of all, individuals such as Irena and Chris Ireson for example.
If you can't support your accusation-don't put it out there. Simple! Call it what you like, defammation, cyber bullying, I don't care but it's wrong.
You're wrong.
Your 'colleague' comes on here and refers to us as 'idiots'.
That pretty much sums up how ludicrous what you are accusing us of is.
The fact that your company cannot handle honest reviews proves that you have something to hide, namely unethical business practices.
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Why are you so angry about this??? Why are you so intent on destroying a pretty decent company by now accusing them from unfair practice. I'm just sticking up for them. My close friends mum was terminally sick with cancer last year and TSFx gave him free lectures to help him out. The friend went to St Bedes Mentone some of you will know him. You can keep on and on insulting me and TSFX do so, but this time I feel a duty to follow through
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Whether or not that is true I don't care. Bad business practice is bad business practice.
Banks donate money all the time and everyone hates them because they are mischievous and sneaky. So don't come on here and play the good Samaritan.
I may just register the domain http://tsfx.net.au/ to my tutoring company and see how you like it.
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We don't know about that incident, so it would be unjust for us to comment/judge on that.
But what I can say is that some members on this forum have said what they said because this is their HONEST OPINION which has been written for a MORAL and EDUCATIONAL INTEREST.
No one has insulted TSFX. All of the statements have been in the name of reviews - they are a business and they are inadvertently susceptible to critiques from the community, both good and bad.
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So there's the answer to my question- you also run a tutoring company and so wanna bag the others to make yours look better-what was that you were saying bout unethical business practice??
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So there's the answer to my question- you also run a tutoring company and so wanna bag the others to make yours look better-what was that you were saying bout unethical business practice??
No I do not own a tutoring company, it was just a hypothetical, and you just proved my point.
Thank you very much.
You do agree that redirecting a domain which is not named after the company to the TSFX website is unethical practice.
Therefore, our claims are substantiated.
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My close friends mum was terminally sick with cancer last year and TSFx gave him free lectures to help him out. The friend went to St Bedes Mentone some of you will know him.
Hahaha.
The fact that TSFX would (allegedly) seriously consider legal action against a bunch of high school kids for posting their own honest opinions of TSFX's work (which by the way is a defence to the tort of defamation) makes it hard to believe they have the moral fibre to do something like that.
Your going on about lawyers is achieving the complete opposite of what you intended. TSFX merely looks like an insecure bully now. Good job!
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;D
Look who's a guest now. :D
I think cava's presence on the forums has been a hindrance, rather than a help, in term's of TSFX's reputation.
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Why are you so angry about this??? Why are you so intent on destroying a pretty decent company by now accusing them from unfair practice. I'm just sticking up for them. My close friends mum was terminally sick with cancer last year and TSFx gave him free lectures to help him out. The friend went to St Bedes Mentone some of you will know him. You can keep on and on insulting me and TSFX do so, but this time I feel a duty to follow through
That's a really nice thing that they did. And you should share that with others to help build their positive image and expose positive aspects of TSFX. And if we have had bad experiences we should also share that with others. What's annoying is that people are being shut down when this forum is clearly here for review so that others can be assisted in forming a balanced opinion when choosing to invest in their education. And that review includes all aspects of the business - positive, negative and ugly.
Anyway. I think many people on this thread have sufficiently supported the right of students' to criticise and/or praise companies in good spirits. Thanks to those who have supported this cause :)
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yes i am from tsfx
@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
i don't think tfsx wants idiots from ere
You've dug yourself deep into a hole here.
Either:
-You do work for TSFX, and have publicly denigrated your own customers.
-You don't work for TSFX and have blatantly lied to us all.
So which one is it?
This is another example of idiots in action. None of those two. Only idiots think those are exhausted alternatives.
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yes i am from tsfx
@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
i don't think tfsx wants idiots from ere
You've dug yourself deep into a hole here.
Either:
-You do work for TSFX, and have publicly denigrated your own customers.
-You don't work for TSFX and have blatantly lied to us all.
So which one is it?
This is another example of idiots in action. None of those two. Only idiots think those are exhausted alternatives.
Just putting it out there...but 'stonecold' isn't an idiot :P ...as for TSFX...I am put off now :P...going to fork out extra ~$50 for NEAP I guess.
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I think this discussion needs to die down now, guys...... ;)
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yes i am from tsfx
@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
i don't think tfsx wants idiots from ere
You've dug yourself deep into a hole here.
Either:
-You do work for TSFX, and have publicly denigrated your own customers.
-You don't work for TSFX and have blatantly lied to us all.
So which one is it?
This is another example of idiots in action. None of those two. Only idiots think those are exhausted alternatives.
Why don't you just answer the question?
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Because that would lead to useful discussion.
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I sense a lock quickly.
Nevertheless, there are no grounds for defamation, critical reception of a company's services is completely legal. Tsfx provides positive reviews of its services, and it is only fair that students who have paid good money for the lectures are able to provide the other side of their experience.
Oh and if you don't work for tsfx, or are lying about your claims of talking to Head Office, it would be very much advisable that you withdraw all your statements before things get more serious. On the flipside, if you DO work for tsfx, I am very sure that as a representative of the institution, referring to potential customers as "idiots" will not go down well.
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FYI it is confirmed that Cava is an employee of TSFX.
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The fact that TSFX would (allegedly) seriously consider legal action against a bunch of high school kids for posting their own honest opinions of TSFX's work (which by the way is a defence to the tort of defamation) makes it hard to believe they have the moral fibre to do something like that.
/offtopic legal consultation
To what extent is "honest opinion" a defence? I was always taught/told etc. that defamation was saying something that could not be proven that would cause people to act to the detriment of whoever you're defaming. What's the line between a negative opinion and defamation?
And whilst I have you here, slander/libel/defamation...what's the difference? :P
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FYI it is confirmed that Cava is an employee of TSFX.
As expected... thanks for clarifying enwiabe. :)
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The fact that TSFX would (allegedly) seriously consider legal action against a bunch of high school kids for posting their own honest opinions of TSFX's work (which by the way is a defence to the tort of defamation) makes it hard to believe they have the moral fibre to do something like that.
/offtopic legal consultation
To what extent is "honest opinion" a defence? I was always taught/told etc. that defamation was saying something that could not be proven that would cause people to act to the detriment of whoever you're defaming. What's the line between a negative opinion and defamation?
And whilst I have you here, slander/libel/defamation...what's the difference? :P
Slander and Libel are forms of defamation.
Libel is written generally, Slander is something like word of mouth.
^
Heavily condensed
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Actually, slander and libel are no longer in Australian law.
For defamation, it must be proved that:
o The statement is defamatory.
o The statement refers to the plaintiff.
o The statement has been published by the defendant.
Defences include:
o Justification / contextual truth – a defamatory statement is substantially true / when a number of defamatory statements are made within the same context and the plaintiff objects to one statement but not all.
o Absolute privilege – Can be proved the material was published in relations to proceedings of parliament/courts etc.
o Publication of public documents – for use of public interest or education purposes.
o Fair report of proceedings of public concern – can be argued to be no more than this if it is the govt. (open to public scrutiny), tribunals etc.
o Qualified privilege – when it is believed the recipient of the information has a moral/legal interest in receiving it, has been done without malice or spite and reasonable in the circumstances.
o Honest opinion – expression of opinion rather than as a fact (food critic).
o Innocent dissemination – protects those who unknowingly distribute the information such as printing companies, bookseller etc.
o Triviality – unlikely to be harmed.
Fair report, qualified and publication of public may be a bit mixed up, but I'm pretty sure this is correct.
Source: 1/2 Legal
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/offtopic legal consultation
To what extent is "honest opinion" a defence? I was always taught/told etc. that defamation was saying something that could not be proven that would cause people to act to the detriment of whoever you're defaming. What's the line between a negative opinion and defamation?
And whilst I have you here, slander/libel/defamation...what's the difference? :P
Beats me, Monash doesn't teach defamation in its torts course for some reason...
Therefore, to........... HALSBURY'S! (the law student's equivalent of Wikipedia except we're actually allowed to quote it in essays \o/)
[145-2005] Honest Opinion
The statutory defence of honest opinion requires that the defendant prove the following elements:
* (1) the matter was an expression of opinion of the defendant rather than a statement of fact;1 and
* (2) the opinion related to a matter of public interest;2 and
* (3) the opinion is based on proper material.3
The defence also applies to opinions expressed by the defendant's employees4 or expressions of opinion by other person or ‘commentator’5 which the defendant repeats. A defence of honest opinion is defeated where the plaintiff can show that the defendant did not honestly believe the opinion which they, their employee or the commentator expressed.6
[The numbers refer to various parts of s.31 of the Defamation Act 2005 (Vic)]
There's also a massive entry on the defence of honest opinion under common law but I can't be bothered copy/pasting it all, here's the intro bit:
[145-1950] Elements of defence
At common law it is a defence to a defamatory publication when:
* (1) the publication is a comment as opposed to a statement of fact;1 and
* (2) the comment is based on facts truly stated, or sufficiently identified;2
* (3) the comment relates to a matter of public interest;3 and
* (4) the comment is fair in the sense that it is the honest expression of the commentator’s real view.
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Let's get over all the legalities of the statements, and admit that TSFX has no chance in hell of getting any form of damages. ;D
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Let's get over all the legalities of the statements, and admit that TSFX has no chance in hell of getting any form of damages. ;D
I am quivering from fear as we speak!!!
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Let's get over all the legalities of the statements, and admit that TSFX has no chance in hell of getting any form of damages. ;D
Probably not, but they could lawyer us into removing this thread like Mental Blank did >_>
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Let's get over all the legalities of the statements, and admit that TSFX has no chance in hell of getting any form of damages. ;D
Probably not, but they could lawyer us into removing this thread like Mental Blank did >_>
Uuggh, they are going to do this now.
Can't even post an honest opinion anymore.
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Let's get over all the legalities of the statements, and admit that TSFX has no chance in hell of getting any form of damages. ;D
Probably not, but they could lawyer us into removing this thread like Mental Blank did >_>
That company... (enough said -to be cautious). And isn't it Ment_l Bl_nk? (as advertised on posters in our school -they didn't last too long though!). And I agree with Cambridge on this one...
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stonecold, I honestly wouldn't worry about it! ;) ;)
I'm only a legal studies student, but if I can see that there is nothing wrong with the expression of one's honest opinion, then I'm sure a top-notch solicitor would be able to see this too.
The most a solicitor would be able to do is to enforce an injunction - to put a stop to all these seemingly defamatory statements. However, the underlying morals of such a decision would go against justice... an injunction would be telling the community that they aren't allowed to express their own honest and truthful opinions on a matter of public interest!
So.. we don't have anything to worry about guys! If TSFX were a good company, they would appreciate and acknowledge as many critical reviews as they could.. and built upon their company from these critiques. It's how business should be run... actually listening to the concerns of the consumer, instead of blocking out their issues and paving the way for prospective consumers to see that it is a reputable company.. but then to realise that this is not the case. It's a bloody cycle of wrongfulness! ;D
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Cheers ninwa. I still think blanket statements aren't sufficiently factual and can border on defamation but meh, not worth thinking about.
Lawyers :P
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stonecold, I honestly wouldn't worry about it! ;) ;)
I'm only a legal studies student, but if I can see that there is nothing wrong with the expression of one's honest opinion, then I'm sure a top-notch solicitor would be able to see this too.
The most a solicitor would be able to do is to enforce an injunction - to put a stop to all these seemingly defamatory statements. However, the underlying morals of such a decision would go against justice... an injunction would be telling the community that they aren't allowed to express their own honest and truthful opinions on a matter of public interest!
So.. we don't have anything to worry about guys! If TSFX were a good company, they would appreciate and acknowledge as many critical reviews as they could.. and built upon their company from these critiques. It's how business should be run... actually listening to the concerns of the consumer, instead of blocking out their issues and paving the way for prospective consumers to see that it is a reputable company.. but then to realise that this is not the case. It's a bloody cycle of wrongfulness! ;D
Did you not see the Mental Blank defamation thread? -_-
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No... :S Where is it?
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http://vcenotes.com/forum/index.php/topic,21887.msg221516.html#msg221516
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Interesting... whether TSFX takes this under their belt, we shall wait and see.
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It sounds more like aggression, rather than a viable claim =.=
Aside from removal of posts, I still can not see any grounds for defamation.
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Can that TSFX staff member be caught up for defaming their company?
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Can that TSFX staff member be caught up for defaming their company?
The fact that enwiabe has confirmed that cava is a staff member indicates that they are already planning on doing something.
(very minor I might add :P)
Or maybe enwiabe just has connections an knows anyway haha...
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It's strange that a TSFX employee would actually sign up and make comments..
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The CEO of Kilbaha himself has signed up to make comments.
(PS: Cambridge, please don't post in that thread, it's 3 years old)
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I would also like people to know that TSFX essentially pushes you towards purchasing their most expensive lectures.
They hold the 3 day, more expensive lectures during the holidays before the end of year exams, however the single day cheaper lectures do not take place until a couple of weeks before exams commence.
This is rather late, so if you would like the notes early then you have to give up 3 days of your time for the lectures and pay significantly more for them.
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An example of the insightful information you can expect to receive should you subscribe to the TSFX mailing list!
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Oh come on, now you're just being ridiculous. How on earth is giving students tips to deal with stress negligent?
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Oh come on, now you're just being ridiculous. How on earth is giving students tips to deal with stress negligent?
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I think with their tips they are actually genuinely trying to help students that struggle with exams.
How can you claim that is negligence??
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They are dramatizing it. 'Panic attacks'.
Someone please tell of an instance where this happened to them in an exam.
Intimidation at its best.
And those tips are nothing more than an excuse to try and flog off their products. If you read them, they always talk up their lectures and after making a point conclude with '...which will be covered in the lectures.'
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Scare tactics. ;D
A friend sent me this TSFX 'tip' where past students answered questions about their time management and VCE success. This girl was asked whether she attended any lectures and if so, whether they were useful or not. She said she attended Neap, TSFX and other lectures that give out notes, and said that they weren't as helpful as she would have thought! Lame story, but you get the idea.
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They are dramatizing it. 'Panic attacks'.
Cambridge0012 conveniently deleted his post where he'd said that it was an example of negligent practice because they're not trained professionals, which it isn't. That was what we were responding to. It's clearly a marketing tactic but it's by no means negligent
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They are dramatizing it. 'Panic attacks'.
Cambridge0012 conveniently deleted his post where he'd said that it was an example of negligent practice because they're not trained professionals, which it isn't. That was what we were responding to. It's clearly a marketing tactic but it's by no means negligent
lol. this thread is making for quite heated discussion haha.
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;D Let me tell you this. TSFX has set itself up as a centre from which advice/information/success tips can be sought. I just find that they are intruding on other companies' territory by attempting to provide advice on all areas of the educational spectrum.. OK, it may not be negligent, but it's definitely wrong. They are not an all-rounded company.
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They are dramatizing it. 'Panic attacks'.
Someone please tell of an instance where this happened to them in an exam.
Intimidation at its best.
And those tips are nothing more than an excuse to try and flog off their products. If you read them, they always talk up their lectures and after making a point conclude with '...which will be covered in the lectures.'
Mate, bullshit. Not everyone can deal with the stress of exams, I came from a school where it was unusual for kids to not have panic attacks and emotional breakdowns when it comes time for the exams. I remember several occasions when I almost flipped out myself. Speak for yourself, TSFX is doing a much better job at helping kids than you are at the moment.
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True that.. I actually had a mind blank myself in the English exam. :D
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I think by them pointing it out will not help the problem.
If you seriously have panic attacks about exams, the you go to a psychiatrist, not TSFX.
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I think by them pointing it out will not help the problem.
If you seriously have panic attacks about exams, the you go to a psychiatrist, not TSFX.
They tried to help. They gave out reasonable advice (the same ones that are regurgitated all around the industry by other companies such as mental blank), and it somewhat helped the kids who saw a good educator provider willing to help. It's a bit silly to assume everyone has a condition severe enough to see a psychiatrist.
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I think by them pointing it out will not help the problem.
If you seriously have panic attacks about exams, the you go to a psychiatrist, not TSFX.
They tried to help. They gave out reasonable advice (the same ones that are regurgitated all around the industry by other companies such as mental blank), and it somewhat helped the kids who saw a good educator provider willing to help. It's a bit silly to assume everyone has a condition severe enough to see a psychiatrist.
Yeah, but I just think it is inappropriate for them to mention it at all. Someone who has anxiety about exams isn't likely to feel great being reminded about it. I do agree though that most of the people on VN are probably much better suited to exam pressure, so it was a bit unfair of me to say that no on has ever crumbled under the stress. However I have an issue of the word 'panic attack'. It seems highly emotive, and when I hear 'panic attack' I think of it as rather serious. I think anxiety would have been a better description.
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I've heard the words 'panic attack' plenty of times enough to realise that it's not as serious as you make out to be.
Let's stop this discussion guys!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attack
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I think by them pointing it out will not help the problem.
If you seriously have panic attacks about exams, the you go to a psychiatrist, not TSFX.
They tried to help. They gave out reasonable advice (the same ones that are regurgitated all around the industry by other companies such as mental blank), and it somewhat helped the kids who saw a good educator provider willing to help. It's a bit silly to assume everyone has a condition severe enough to see a psychiatrist.
Yeah, but I just think it is inappropriate for them to mention it at all. Someone who has anxiety about exams isn't likely to feel great being reminded about it. I do agree though that most of the people on VN are probably much better suited to exam pressure, so it was a bit unfair of me to say that no on has ever crumbled under the stress. However I have an issue of the word 'panic attack'. It seems highly emotive, and when I hear 'panic attack' I think of it as rather serious. I think anxiety would have been a better description.
I disagree, being aware of this is and knowing how to cope is much better than hoping it wouldn't hit you in an exam. These bursts of anxiety don't come from knowing you are anxious, they come from 'oh shit I forgot something damn i'm going to fail now I can't do anything else'. Their advice helps you to get yourself out of it. I have received a fair bit of positive comments re that email, they are doing a good thing there.
Whilst TSFX is bad in some respects (overpriced, shit exams, average notes), they do genuinely try to help the kids. They are not ALL bad. Just because their products aren't too good and their marketing strategy is a bit too aggressive doesn't mean they're all devil-spawn and are trying to suck out your soul.
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I think by them pointing it out will not help the problem.
If you seriously have panic attacks about exams, the you go to a psychiatrist, not TSFX.
They tried to help. They gave out reasonable advice (the same ones that are regurgitated all around the industry by other companies such as mental blank), and it somewhat helped the kids who saw a good educator provider willing to help. It's a bit silly to assume everyone has a condition severe enough to see a psychiatrist.
Yeah, but I just think it is inappropriate for them to mention it at all. Someone who has anxiety about exams isn't likely to feel great being reminded about it. I do agree though that most of the people on VN are probably much better suited to exam pressure, so it was a bit unfair of me to say that no on has ever crumbled under the stress. However I have an issue of the word 'panic attack'. It seems highly emotive, and when I hear 'panic attack' I think of it as rather serious. I think anxiety would have been a better description.
I disagree, being aware of this is and knowing how to cope is much better than hoping it wouldn't hit you in an exam. These bursts of anxiety don't come from knowing you are anxious, they come from 'oh shit I forgot something damn i'm going to fail now I can't do anything else'. Their advice helps you to get yourself out of it. I have received a fair bit of positive comments re that email, they are doing a good thing there.
Whilst TSFX is bad in some respects (overpriced, shit exams, average notes), they do genuinely try to help the kids. They are not ALL bad. Just because their products aren't too good and their marketing strategy is a bit too aggressive doesn't mean they're all devil-spawn and are trying to suck out your soul.
What do you think of the word 'panic attack' though?
And the main thing I have an issue with is their marketing strategy. I think they way they target students to sign up is just too intense.
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What do you think of the word 'panic attack' though?
I don't see anything wrong with it. You could call it exaggeration in its correct psychiatric use, but I'm sure they just meant it in its colloquial sense. I wouldn't call what many experience simply anxiety because its often far more severe than that. Honestly I think people here are just trying to find something to criticise TSFX about because the majority of us have some kind of hate for them; but I don't think this is the right angle to approach it if that's what you're going for. It's not like they're charging for this advice so I don't see much wrong with it.
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True that shinny.. whether we take up their advice is our own choice.
Long time no see! ;)
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Fair enough, but I personally interpret 'panic attack' in its literal sense.
Anyway, I have said everything I have to say, and have had enough debating. :P
People can read and make their own judgements, as Cambridge has pointed out.
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yes i am from tsfx
Only idiots can miss the answer
@googoo, I think you're doing a better job at turning students away from TSFX than anybody else in this thread.
i don't think tfsx wants idiots from ere
You've dug yourself deep into a hole here.
Either:
-You do work for TSFX, and have publicly denigrated your own customers.
-You don't work for TSFX and have blatantly lied to us all.
So which one is it?
This is another example of idiots in action. None of those two. Only idiots think those are exhausted alternatives.
Why don't you just answer the question?
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i agree with mao and shinny
whats wrong with the word panic attack? it does occur and its not just general anxiety
and heck whats wrong with giving advice bout it? yes u could go to psychiatrist (although they are crappy...imo) but some ppl might find it useful
and besides if you dont like their service they arent putting a gun to your head (even though they have a good marketing strategy), then don't go to them or unsubscribe to their emails
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I actually find TSFX's tips quite altruistic. I do think some of their tips / comments can be necessarily fear mongering though. ie 70% of students dont finish the exam, panic attacks can happen etc. Do they really need to mention it?
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I actually find TSFX's tips quite altruistic. I do think some of their tips / comments can be necessarily fear mongering though. ie 70% of students dont finish the exam, panic attacks can happen etc. Do they really need to mention it?
Really, ultimately they're a business. So yes, they do need to mention it from their point of view because emotion sells things best, and fear is one of the best emotions to capitalise on. Being a business, this is all they're after - money. Same goes for the 'tips' they give. It's all a marketing ploy really, so I wouldn't call it altruism; just advertising. While I feel many on this board tend to disagree, I don't believe there's anything wrong with them trying to make some money though, because the net effect of their services is still beneficial. Perhaps this is slightly biased coming from myself as a tutor, but without some sort of monetary incentive it wouldn't be viable to perform my tuition both from a financial and motivational point of view. Thing is though, ultimately, I do believe that in the end what I've done has helped others for the better (and those who I have taught seem to agree), and that their money was well spent. I'm sure many that have attended TSFX have felt the same and as long as what they're providing isn't an overt scam, I don't see anything wrong with what they're doing. To use a cliche, the ends justifies the means really (obviously to an extent though).
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I agree to an extent, shinny. There is nothing wrong with profiteering. However, I think there needs to be a balance between making money and offering honest service. In some cases I think TSFX doesn't find the right balance. The thing that I find the most frustrating is their exams and their materials that clearly go beyond the study design. For example:
- Asking about renal tubules in a unit 3 Biology exam and not providing any information about them (this is unit 1/2 knowledge)
As a former Biology student you would know that this is not necessary knowledge. This is one of many examples where they overstep the confines of the study design. Obviously study designs are ambiguous, so there is nothing wrong with covering areas that could potentially be included, but going past this overlap zone is not fair on the student. I gave up doing TSFX exams because I felt enormous frustration while sitting them.
I don't mind clever marketing either, but some techniques are more shady than others. If they want to take constructive criticism as a company, they should make some attempt to dampen the vigour of their campaign I think. Some students are susceptible to being baffled and bombarded by the demands of their course and TSFX shouldn't exploit this with trickery (even in minor forms). There is nothing wrong with using freebies to entice people, but I think that students shouldn't be made to feel as if they do not know a lot and need help. Giving out materials / lectures with non-essential knowledge can give students the impression that they do not know enough and must enrol in a course.
Furthermore, some of their claims are risible: "Note: To date NO OTHER LECTURE provider has been able to match the quality and depth of materials that are issued to students who attend TSFX programs." I think copy like this irks people. Maybe this is what encouraged me to write on this thread.
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I just got sent this (by email):
______________________________________________
Do You Know How To Produce Professional Quality Videos?
Dear Andrew,
Have you just finished your VCE?
Did you complete a VCE VET Interactive Digital Media Course and now have a Certificate II or II in Media? Or know someone who has?
The School for Excellence is looking fro someone to help create a series of Web Videos for a special project to be released next year.
We are looking from someone with experience in editing video and sound, who can create a video in an easy to upload format to be posted on our website.
If you are interested or think you know someone who is, please send an email with your resume or portfolio to [email protected]
Regards,
The Team at TSFX
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I'm not saying anything about this. Just putting it out there. :)
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I haven't got it which hopefully means I am off their mailing list. :)
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Earn $$$ for Your A and A+ Essays & Assignments
Dear XXXX
We are currently in the process of expanding our online resources and are seeking copies of VCE (Year 12) essays/projects/assignments that obtained A or A+ scores.
Students will be remunerated at $20-25 per essay and up to $50 for larger assignments or works.
To submit A and A+ works, please complete the attached form and forward together with your resources to [email protected]
Further information regarding this offer as well as submission processes has been attached.
Note: Submissions will be processed in the order they are received so get your A/A+ works in as soon as possible!
Regards,
The Team at TSFX
P.S. Wishing those students who have recently completed their VCE all the best of luck next week.
We sincerely hope you obtain the scores you were aiming for.
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Haha looks like TSFX is splashing out all the cash they've got.
Why are they calling upon high school students to do their media stuff.....?
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Why are they getting current yr 11s?
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Why are they getting current yr 11s?
Haha even better question.
Cheaper wages maybe?
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That's fine with me, I'm going to send them all my english essays!
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Interesting find!
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Just heard a TSFX ad on the radio.
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I just got their pamphlet today, they are sooooooo expensive. $95 for literature, a bit more for my other subjects.
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Just heard a TSFX ad on the radio.
Omg I heard them too!!! Before they mentioned they were tsfx, I thought they were neap. But yes, they were using scare tactics in their ad
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Just heard a TSFX ad on the radio.
Omg I heard them too!!! Before they mentioned they were tsfx, I thought they were neap. But yes, they were using scare tactics in their ad
Exampleof said scare tactics please?
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Just heard a TSFX ad on the radio.
Omg I heard them too!!! Before they mentioned they were tsfx, I thought they were neap. But yes, they were using scare tactics in their ad
Exampleof said scare tactics please?
Something along the lines of: (slowly) you are now on a relaxing holiday, threes nothing much to do, you are having the time of your life and before you know it, school begins....then you realize threes work to do and you're getting left behind (say in extra fast voice) then there's sacs, assignments, commitments, exams, study, VCe stress, burnout etc...(confused voice) then it's alll over? (commercial good sounding voice) get headstart you need for VCe by joining our summer holidays st tsfx. Go to tsfx for more information...
Now I hope there aren't tsfx employees reading this, because it just shows how memorable and impressionable their ads are...seeing as I remembered most of it
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God I hate TSFX
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God I hate TSFX
Care to elaborate/explain?
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Well basically, I have a mixed socio-economic school. Most of the richer kids go to TSFX and make a point of it to let all the poorer kids that they are going to TSFX and how much it costs. I myself am a richer kid, but I went to the feeder campus of the poorer kids, hence I hate seeing the richer kids assert themselves like that over the poorer kids.
So yeh, it's through no fault of TSFX's that I hate them. It's just what they symbolise to me...
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Not scare tactics, they are facts
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Pretty sure facts can be used as a scare tactic?
As it is, seems like hyperbole more than pure fact.
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I don't see anything morally/ethically wrong with that ad for TSFX (I've heard it myself).
Honestly don't know why there's such an anti-TSFX sentiment in the thread
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concur
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I don't see anything morally/ethically wrong with that ad for TSFX (I've heard it myself).
Honestly don't know why there's such an anti-TSFX sentiment in the thread
I think the general sentiment is that TSFX overcharges.
That ad is definitely using scare tactics. Of course, there is an element of truth to what the ad is saying. But in the end, it is just an advertisement... can't blame 'em for trying.
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I hate all of their advertising. They send it out all the bloody time, and it's all just scare tactics, sensationalist nonsense. I've been to some of their lectures, and one set of the weekly classes. All they do is go through questions most of the time. There's no magical thing they say or do that makes them any better than your average competent teacher... I find those $30 'notes' (Summary info + decent questions) books much better, not to mention 5% of the cost and resellable.
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I don't see anything morally/ethically wrong with that ad for TSFX (I've heard it myself).
Honestly don't know why there's such an anti-TSFX sentiment in the thread
Difference between TSFX and the others, even though TSFX may be better, is if you register for anything, they constantly spam you ...
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I just got a cheque for a small nice amount of money from TSFX :)
Did anyone else get something as a result of the resource submission? aaaand do you know where we could view it?
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Arr they mentioned that before but figured it was a gimmick. How'd you go about doing that?