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VCE Stuff => VCE Languages Other Than English (LOTE) => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE French => Topic started by: Pencil on November 03, 2007, 04:26:49 pm
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EDIT: If any people doing french want to join in, just write up your response to the questions! haha we need more people
ok so..
You have lived in the city all your life. Your parents have just announced that they have decided the whole family will soon move to the country. Write in your diary, reacting to the news, telling of your feelings and giving reasons for your reactions.
Vous avez v?cu en ville toute votre vie. Vos parents viennent d'annoncer que tout la famille allait bient?t d?m?nager pour aller vivre ? la campagne. ?crivez vos r?actions dans votre journal intime, en expliquant ce que vous ressentez et pourquoi
It's a question from one of the Leading Edge prac exams. fire away haha.
I'll probably write mine later tonight while I put off doing all my other hw..
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whee good work well im doing methods at the moment, but ill do it later tonite too. yay to no longer neglecting french ha. and hello to neglecting economics! yay
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Ok feel free to pick out all my mistakes! Also I kind of took on the persona of being a really prissy brat haha. And I wasn't sure whether I can refer to my diary as like a person, and whether I'm supposed to end it like a letter with 'bisous' or something??
Cher Journal, 11 Juin, 2007
Je viens d?avoir une bagarre ?norme avec mes parents, ils sont vraiment p?nibles. Comme toujours, ils me rendent folle, mais cette fois-ci, c?est diff?rent. J?ai bien peur qu?ils aient perdu la t?te!
O? commencer? Alors, j??tais en train de me coiffer, en paix, ce qui est normal (il faut prendre soin de l?apparence!) quand, soudain, mes parents m?ont boulevers?e avec les nouvelles choquantes qu?ils ont l?intention de d?m?nager ? LA CAMPAGNE. Je dis c?est eux qui vont le faire, pas moi, parce que, bien s?r, je n?y irai pas avec eux. C?est pas un question ? l?id?e m?me est compl?temente folle, et je ne vais surtout pas me bouger sur le sujet. S?ils veulent vivre ?en campagne? avec les hippies, ils peuvent le faire sans moi!
Bien s?r, ils seront vachement d??us d??tre sans moi, mais, ils ont fait leur choix. Moi, j?ai v?cu en ville toute ma vie, et j?ai pens? que mes parents auraient pris mes affaires en consideration avant de faire une telle d?cision! Comme je te l?ai toujours dit, ils sont vraiment ego?stes, mes parents. Ils ne pensent ? rien d'autre que soi-m?mes. Comment pourrais-je habiter ? la campagne? D?abord, ?a va ruiner ma manicure. En fait, je suis pas m?me s?re s?il existe les coiffeurs ? la campagne. En plus, je ne pourrais pas supporter l?odeur! Maintenant que j?y pense, c?est dangereux de vivre ? la campagne! Il y a toutes sortes d?animaux sauvages, comme les serpents, les renards et les araign?es, ma vie serait en danger! En fait, je vais expliquer ?a ? maman tout de suite!
Je te tiendrai au courant,
Bisous, Jane
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your expression is incredible! youre going to do so well :p
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Ok feel free to pick out all my mistakes! Also I kind of took on the persona of being a really prissy brat haha. And I wasn't sure whether I can refer to my diary as like a person, and whether I'm supposed to end it like a letter with 'bisous' or something??
Cher Journal, 11 Juin, 2007
Je viens d?avoir une dispute (? je crois que 'bagarre' c'est plutot a physical fight) ?norme avec mes parents, ils sont vraiment p?nibles. Comme toujours, ils me rendent folle, mais cette fois-ci, c?est diff?rent. J?ai bien peur qu?ils aient perdu la t?te!
O? commencer? Alors, j??tais en train de me coiffer, en paix, qui (pas de "ce".. i think.. doing my hair.. which is normal.. not 'that which is normal") est normal (il faut prendre soin de l?apparence!) quand, soudain (soudainement? mais tout d'un coup marcherait bien je crois), mes parents m?ont boulevers?e avec les nouvelles choquantes qu?ils ont l?intention de d?m?nager ? LA CAMPAGNE. Je dis que c?est eux qui vont le faire, pas moi, parce que, bien s?r, je n?y irai pas avec eux. C?est pas une question (hmm moi je suis pas sure mais je dirais plutot "c'est hors de question" ou "il n'en est pas question" ou "ca, c'est sur!" maaais chaispas)? l?id?e meme est compl?tement (pas de 'e" la) folle, et je ne vais surtout pas me bouger sur le sujet. S?ils veulent vivre ?en campagne? avec les hippies, ils peuvent le faire sans moi!
Bien s?r, ils seront vachement d??us d??tre sans moi, mais, ils ont fait leur choix. Moi, j?ai v?cu en ville toute ma vie, et j?ai pens? que mes parents auraient pris (question of english grammar. wouldnt we say "i would have thought that my parents would have taken.." actualyl im not sure.. if so id write that in french, but i duno haha) mes affaires (umm isnt affaires a bit different.. je dirais "sentiments" or something but i duno i might have misunderstood) en consideration avant de prendre une telle d?cision! Comme je te l?ai toujours dit, ils sont vraiment ego?stes, mes parents. Ils ne pensent ? rien qu'eux-m?mes. Comment pourrais-je habiter ? la campagne? D?abord, ?a va ruiner (ca ruinerait? because you've said how "could" so im thinking "would" not "is going to") ma manicure. En fait, je suis meme pas s?re s?il existe les coiffeurs ? la campagne. En plus, je ne pourrais pas supporter l?odeur! Maintenant que j?y pense, c?est dangereux de vivre ? la campagne! Il y a toutes sortes d?animaux sauvages, comme les serpents, les renards et les araign?es, ma vie serait en danger! En fait, je vais expliquer ?a ? maman tout de suite!
Je te tiendrai au courant,
Bisous, Jane
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god you are severely underestimating yourself with your study score prediction thats an amazing piece of writing! iv corrected any mistakes i noticed
im gona start my thing now, although problem being now iv read that, im starting mine with that in my head haha.. ill try to forget it tho
gar im getting really confused correcting it haha cos theres brackets and bold signs and shit everywhere haha. im going to psot it, then we'll see ifimissed anything haha[/b]
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thanks for the corrections!
you're probably better at correcting than my teacher (not that she's not awesome) but she's half blind and always misses everything haha.
edit: is it ok to cut off the 'ne' in informal letter/journals? And is it ok that I've referred to the journal as a person haha?
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at least your teacher actually speaks french though haha, i couldve missed things too simply because i dont know they're wrong haha.. but you didnt make any massive mistakes anyway, most of the things i put were just things i thought would work better but seeing as thats just my opinion who knows lol.
but seriously you write really well, your obviously good at english too, which help.. lots of people write in really simple language etc without the kind of flair that you have, so i seriously think you'll go really well with the essay in the exam. your better at thinking up ideas than i am ha, i go for the informative persuasive writing tasks cos i struggle to think up inventive situations and reasons haha when im trying to write essays
wow i should stop crapping on and go write my own haha
edit; im not actually sure whether its ok to take the 'ne' off. im guessing it should be, because thats the style of writing your doing and it shows your aware of casual slang ish writing, but im always scared they'll just think im an idiot that doesnt know how to speak french properly haha. check with teacher i guess, i should too.
as for addressing the diary like a person ahhaa. i think so? thats what id do
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right, iv have written it after much procrastination and eating of food and watching of television instead.
i am currently spending hours trying to put accents in haha i hate computers.
will psot it in a second!
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Cher journal,
Tu ne croirais jamais ce qui vient de se passer. Grace ? ce dernier ? incident ? dans lequel ma soeur ?tait impliqu?e, mes parents ont pris la d?cision de d?m?nager ? la campagne ! Non, je rigole pas ! Selon eux, tout est pr?venu, et on quittera la ville pour la campagne la semaine prochaine. J?arrive pas ? comprendre comment ils peuvent prendre une telle d?cision sans m?me prendre en compte mon point de vue. C?est pas juste, ?a c?est s?r !
C?est toujours ma soeur qui me ruine la vie. Cette fois elle ?tait expuls?e de l??cole.. Apparamment, elle a trich? ? plusieurs examens. Mes parents disent que la campagne est plus calme, et qu?il faut qu?on soit dans un environnement o? ma s?ur n?a pas la tentation de se conduire mal. Ce serait sympa pour eux de penser ? moi pour une fois ! On s?attend que je quitte tous mes amis, un lyc?e que j?adore, m?me mon copain, uniquement ? cause d?elle ? Moi, je serais pas capable de survivre ? la campagne ! Je suis quelqu?un qui aime la mode, faire des boutiques, sortir le soir.. c?est m?me pas possible de faire ces choses ? la campagne !
J?en ai vraiment marre.. Je me demande s?il y a une fa?on dont je peux faire changer d?avis mes parents. Je suis pas pr?par?e ? sacrifier tout sans combattre. En fait, je vais leur en parler maintenant. S?rement, ils verront que c?est injuste ? Enfin, j?esp?re.
Je te tiendrai au courant.
Bises,
Am?lie
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voila! correct away! and any comments and such. im sure iv missed some accents to i was going through adding them all at the end ha
ps. i stole your "je te tiendrai au courant" hahaha i tried to think of a replacement but i really couldnt
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i wish there were more people on here who did french! come on reg, i hope you're writing an essay too! is there anyone else who does french, i cant remember?
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Cher journal,
Tu ne croirais jamais ce qui vient de se passer. Grace ? ce dernier ? incident ? dans lequel ma soeur ?tait impliqu?e, mes parents ont pris la d?cision de d?m?nager ? la campagne ! Non, je rigole pas ! Selon eux, tout est pr?venu, et on quittera la ville pour la campagne la semaine prochaine. J?arrive pas ? comprendre comment ils peuvent prendre une telle d?cision sans m?me prendre en compte mon point de vue. C?est pas juste, ?a c?est s?r !
C?est toujours ma soeur qui me ruine la vie. Cette fois elle ?tait expuls?e de l??cole.. Apparamment, elle a trich? ? plusieurs examens. Mes parents disent que la campagne est plus calme, et qu?il faut qu?on soit dans un environnement o? ma s?ur n?a pas la tentation de se conduire mal. Ce serait sympa pour eux de penser ? moi pour une fois ! On s?attend que je quitte tous mes amis, un lyc?e que j?adore, m?me mon copain, uniquement ? cause d?elle ? Moi, je serais pas capable de survivre ? la campagne ! Je suis quelqu?un qui aime la mode, faire des boutiques, sortir le soir.. c?est m?me pas possible de faire ces choses ? la campagne !
J?en ai vraiment marre.. Je me demande s?il y a une fa?on dont je peux faire changer d?avis mes parents. Je suis pas pr?par?e ? sacrifier tout sans combattre. En fait, je vais leur en parler maintenant. S?rement, ils verront que c?est injuste ? Enfin, j?esp?re.
Je te tiendrai au courant.
Bises,
Am?lie
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voila! correct away! and any comments and such. im sure iv missed some accents to i was going through adding them all at the end ha
ps. i stole your "je te tiendrai au courant" hahaha i tried to think of a replacement but i really couldnt
Too good. I read it like three times, and could only find one missing accent, which you've already corrected :( I can find nothing else! Haha I don't think I'm capable of correcting your work, I think you need Talitha or someone if she returns..
And you put in everything, as in a 'dont' a 'dans lequel' a subjunctive, all the tenses..
umm.. haha my feedback sucks hey. Sorry I couldn't be more helpful. But I'm sure it would get full marks
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ha yeh i read over it again and picked up some missing accents hahah. unfortunately i always miss some on exams sacs etc and i dont have enough time to keep reading through it to pick them up! and yeh i always get so excited when i have an oppurtunity to put dont or something in, sometimes i have trouble finding a place to put it in lol. yours uses just as much complicated structure and subjunctives too tho. its seriously really good
i reckon yours would get full marks or at leeast 14/15, for the sophisticated way you write and the complicated vocab, despite the few minors mistakes. we're not expected to be perfect.
we really should check whether you need to put the 'ne'. how much would that suck if they thought you didnt no what you were doing and took off like 5 marks ha. although i suppose thats pretty unlikely, but its possible that you're not supposed to do it.
anywhere where is talitha? come correct my work please ha
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ha yeh i read over it again and picked up some missing accents hahah. unfortunately i always miss some on exams sacs etc and i dont have enough time to keep reading through it to pick them up! and yeh i always get so excited when i have an oppurtunity to put dont or something in, sometimes i have trouble finding a place to put it in lol.
haha you are lucky if all you miss is accents! The examiners probably won't even realise.
My teacher told my to deliberately put stuff like 'dont' in, is that what everyone does?
Why does noone ever write on the french forums?!
Your turn reg :)
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um i doubt everyone does it, so its probably a good way to differentiate yourself.. although obviously there will be other teachers saying put that stuff in too haha. meh who knows
and nah i miss more than accents obviously lol, just accents a LOT lol i actually have no idea with accents haha
i really wish there were more french people. im trying to think if there were others that posted in the bos french thread?
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i really wish there were more french people. im trying to think if there were others that posted in the bos french thread?
Yeah but a lot of them were hsc'ers. And then there were some who did french but never posted in the french thread. Hopefully some more will come once the exam is closer, that seemed to happen for english
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Le poubelle est dans le pulv?risation nasale.
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sory whaaaaaat hahahha??
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YOU HEARD ME! :P
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Your turn reg :)
attendez, il faut ?tudier further et puis methods et puis economics LOL .. plus tard ce semaine-l? peut-?tre.
*j'?teins l'ordinateur*
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pff weak excuse moi je suis egalement censee reviser l'economie et er methods haha.
mais le francais, cest une bonne distraction
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whee talitha if you're still there id love it if you could correct my essay quickly pleeease :D
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1er ligne: I'd say <ce qui se pass?> or better maybe <ce qui m'est arriv?>
6th <prendre en compte> -attention de ne pas traduire directement. Il faut mieux dire <sans avoir consider?> -also using the conditional <pourraient> in the previous line sounds better.
4th line 2nd para <se comporter> instead of <se conduire>
1st line 3rd para <dont> basically means <de qui> -better to <pour> et enl?ve <je peux>
Overall, that's really good -good use of pronouns, subjunctive and generally good authentic French. My written French has steadily declined since last year, so do get one or more better opinions. And sorry about the Franglais, lol I often do that when hovering between English and French.
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1er ligne: I'd say <ce qui se pass?> or better maybe <ce qui m'est arriv?>
6th <prendre en compte> -attention de ne pas traduire directement. Il faut mieux dire <sans avoir consider?> -also using the conditional <pourraient> in the previous line sounds better.
4th line 2nd para <se comporter> instead of <se conduire>
1st line 3rd para <dont> basically means <de qui> -better to <pour> et enl?ve <je peux>
Overall, that's really good -good use of pronouns, subjunctive and generally good authentic French. My written French has steadily declined since last year, so do get one or more better opinions. And sorry about the Franglais, lol I often do that when hovering between English and French.
merci! with the 'dont' line, does it sound compeltely ridiculous like that? cos i was trying to find an oppurtunity to put in dont haha.. although i get it doesnt really suit it anyway.. its more 'a way in which i can make..' au lieu de 'a way to make..' ok it sounds very poncy in english hahahha and probably in french too. ill have to find another oppurtunity to dont :(
i thought about se comporter, but i sort of assumed that se conduire and se comporter were interchangeable.. is se conduire more formal?
how did you not get a 50 in french! eek now im scared
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1er ligne: I'd say <ce qui se pass?>
ha just for me cos yous are too advanced for me..
why 'se pass?' and not 's'est pass?'?
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1er ligne: I'd say <ce qui se pass?>
ha just for me cos yous are too advanced for me..
why 'se pass?' and not 's'est pass?'?
yeh it is s'est pass? she justwrote it wrong probably
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Mmm it is "s'est pass?" :oops:
Remember how little the writing task is worth; I've no idea how scoring works, but whether you get 13 or 15/15 is of little importance compared to how you do at the compr qs.
And yeah, I was a bit disappointed, as I said on BOS, I was rather shaken up by losing one of the 1st few marks on offer which might have been responsible for me losing a couple more, also some of the written comp qs were really ambiguous -have either of you done the exam I was "treated" to? The qs about Saint-Exuperry in particular left me feeling uncertain.
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Remember how little the writing task is worth; I've no idea how scoring works, but whether you get 13 or 15/15 is of little importance compared to how you do at the compr qs.
And yeah, I was a bit disappointed, as I said on BOS, I was rather shaken up by losing one of the 1st few marks on offer which might have been responsible for me losing a couple more, also some of the written comp qs were really ambiguous -have either of you done the exam I was "treated" to? The qs about Saint-Exuperry in particular left me feeling uncertain.
eek I just checked and you're right the listening and reading/responding counts for 60 marks! I thought it was more evenly weighted than that.. that scares me. Although the reading/responding isn't usually too bad, except when you get ambiguous ones.
I haven't done that exam yet, although I have a few prac exams coming up in the next few weeks and I assume the 2006 will be one of them. We actually learn about antoine de saint-exupery as part of our detailled study.
You got 46 raw right? Did you ever get a statement of marks?
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Nah, didn't get any SOMs. I got 100% for SACs, imagine I lost about 3 marks each on the listening and written comprehension qs. I agree it's stupid that your ability to write in French counts for so little.
So what was your detailed study about? aviation or literature? lol
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Literature, or more specifically 'l'enfant dans la litt?rature fran?aise' which was odd compared to everyone else I talked to, who all seemed to be doing WW2 or something more serious. We read le petit prince and some poems, and watched 'la gloire de mon pere', and my sub-topic was the critisisms that they make on modern society. And basically I just had to talk about lame things like the differences between the world of adults and the world of children haha
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Nice! We did WW2, saw Au Revoir les Enfants, which is a great film, but I wanted to do something about food, fashion, cathedrals or something a bit more esoteric, on my own, but ended up going with the flow.
A friend doing final-year French in England did la thalasseautherapie
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Nice! We did WW2, saw Au Revoir les Enfants, which is a great film, but I wanted to do something about food, fashion, cathedrals or something a bit more esoteric, on my own, but ended up going with the flow.
A friend doing final-year French in England did la thalasseautherapie
i did ww2 as well, and au revoir les enfants!
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Nah, didn't get any SOMs. I got 100% for SACs, imagine I lost about 3 marks each on the listening and written comprehension qs. I agree it's stupid that your ability to write in French counts for so little.
I know this is the French forum, but I'm doing Italian (and Japanese but I don't know my SAC scores aside from them all being A+s) and I lost 1.5 marks for SACs and in the practice exams I've been doing I've been losing about the same as you for listening/reading comp. So, do you know if LOTEs are similar across the board in terms of study scores? I think I went fine on my oral exam too.
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well check the scaling report, I think italian might be one of those ones that doesn't scale well because alot of native speakers do it.
Even in terms of raw scores it might differ because of this, whereas french has less native speakers..
..then again i could be totally wrong haha
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well check the scaling report, I think italian might be one of those ones that doesn't scale well because alot of native speakers do it.
Even in terms of raw scores it might differ because of this, whereas french has less native speakers..
..then again i could be totally wrong haha
Italian scales about 7, so it's not French's 12 but it's not too bad compared to languages like Arabic, or Indo...hmm I guess I'll just have to be great on the day...thanks :) (p.s I'll upload those lit things as soon as I get access to a scanner =))
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I'm a year 11 doing french and I got a higher score than the year 12s for the language competition( 2 high distinctions). so lol
of course i did live in france for a month, so i guess it paid off
feel free to join in :) ..just write your response to the question.
on a toujours besoin de nouveaux gens ici
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whee im running to seek refuge in the french thread cos i cbf studying for eco, and methods is horrible.
i agree, droodles take a stab at the topic posted on page 1. or we probs should make up a new topic anyway, seeing as we've done the other one. although i may not get it done at the moment seeing as i should be studying for eco/methods (and chem).
but here. have a go anyone! (its stolen from a german exam paper so no french translation haha)
Write the text for a brochure to convince other students to spend a year away from home, at the end of their schooling, to broaden their horizons. Present persuasive information of the many positive aspects of the experience.
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Write the text for a brochure to convince other students to spend a year away from home, at the end of their schooling, to broaden their horizons. Present persuasive information of the many positive aspects of the experience.
I will do this tonight. Hopefully. If I can be bothered haha
I suck at persuasive though
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je peux le faire mais je dois ?tudier pour l'?conomie, putain de merde.
putain haha, heard that a lot on my exchange [in Nice]. Apparently it's much ruder in the north.
Had any of you heard of "un truc" 8) before you went to France?
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putain haha, heard that a lot on my exchange [in Nice]. Apparently it's much ruder in the north.
Had any of you heard of "un truc" 8) before you went to France?
as in 'a thing'? Yes.
And I learnt 'putain' after I hosted a french exchange student for a month, and she used to say it all the time, and then one day I went to look it up and she was like 'no no don't look it up!' haha very funny
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haha oh the swear words i learnt in france. and they tried teaching me verlan haha
and yeh id definitely heard of un truc before i went to france. im pretty sure we learnt it in class or something.
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I'd been exposed to quite a lot of French and had been to France about 12 times before my exchange but, I dunno...in the first few days I was completely mystified as to what this "truc" was :)
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i was completely mystified as to what ANYTHING was in my first few days haha. i swear, it didnt matter that i understood a whole lot of words and stuff, i couldnt understand a thing they all spoke so effing fast haha.
does anyone else know any verlan? they use 'relou' a lot.. it comes from 'lourd' which can be a bit like 'penible' in certain cases.
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yeah my friend tells me not to say putain cause its very rude and considering shes a girl, she takes more offence to inapporiate language
haha yeh my host sister in france never used to swear. so she was like STOP IT when people used to try teach me swear words haha. i mostly just used to swear in english over tehre anyway, cos it was more impulsive and i felt weird saying putain and merde. but by the end, putain was feeling pretty natural haha. putaaaaaain works really well when your like ohhh fuuuuck haha.
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VOYEZ LE MONDE
Par Emlyn Maillard
Vous demandez-vous ce que vous allez faire quand vous aurez fini l??cole? Ne sentez-vous pas du tout pr?tes ? aller ? l?universit? ? la h?te? En avez-vous marre du travail, des horaires, et des parents? Pourquoi pas prendre une ann?e sabbatique et go?tez de la libert?!
Notre organisation volontaire offre aux jeunes l?occasion de travailler n?importe o? dans le monde. Les possibilit?s sont illimit?es: vous pouvez apprendre l?anglais aux ?l?ves en Chine, vous occuper des orphelins en Am?rique du Sud, ou m?me travailler avec les moines en l?Inde. Quoique vous fassiez, ce sera une exp?rience unique et de d?fi, mais nous vous assurons, quand vous verrez les sourires des enfants que vous aiderez, elle vaudra la peine. Faites une diff?rence dans la vie de quelqu?un!
Quand vous serez ? l??tranger, vous resterez avec une famille d?accueil organis? par nous, ce qui vous permettrez de vous int?grer dans le style de vie du pays. Il n?y a aucun meilleur moyen de conna?tre un pays, que d?y vivre. Vous deviendrez partie de la famille, et vous verrez de premi?re main la culture du pays. Tout ce dont vous aurez besoin, nous vous fournirons: l?accommodation, l?alimentation, et chaque semaine vous recevrez de l?argent de poche pour votre travail qui suffira pour le co?t de la vie.
C?est une occasion que vous ne pouvez pas rater; vous ferez des amis de toujours, prendrez un peu de repos, et au m?me temps vous aiderez les gens n?cessiteux. Pourquoi pas vous occuper d?autre chose que de vous-m?mes une fois?
Acceptez le d?fi, vous ne le regrettez pas!
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for some reason i had a feeling india was something like 'les indes' but my dictionary disagreed.
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vous occuper aux orphelins
it looks great, i have to go to bed (9 am exam), but that annoyed me :P:p
fk i see you edited it. vous occuper was right imo, just the aux bit.
edit: but im wrong, see below
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vous occuper aux orphelins
it looks great, i have to go to bed (9 am exam), but that annoyed me :P:p
fk i see you edited it. vous occuper was right imo, just the aux bit.
are your suuure? I thought it was 's'occuper de' for 'to look after'?
btw good luck with your exam :)
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fk i see you edited it. vous occuper was right imo, just the aux bit.
haha well it's how it was when I orignally posted it, because i seen you suggested to write 'vous vous occupez aux' so I changed it to that, then I looked at it again and thought 'no I was write the first time' so changed it back, then saw you edited your post too to 'vous occuper aux' haha. but now its unchanged :)
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hm is it 'accepter le d?fi' ou 'prendre le d?fi'?
edit: corrections/comments/feedback welcome :)
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relever le defi, but its possible you can use the others too i dont know.
anyway i also have an exam at 9am so ill correct later.
its s'occuper de.. talitha, can you explain whether it'd be better to use prendre soin de or s'occuper de?
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As a spectator, I'd like to say your French is awesome! (everyone!) heh
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quick grammar question. To say something like 'you only have to look around you to see...' I keep going to write 'on n'a que regarder autour de..' without thinking which can't be right can it? So would it be 'on ne doit que regarder autour...' (also would it be 'autour de soi'? I'm not sure what to use with 'on')
edit: or can I still say 'autour de nous' even though I've used 'on'?
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quick grammar question. To say something like 'you only have to look around you to see...' I keep going to write 'on n'a que regarder autour de..' without thinking which can't be right can it? So would it be 'on ne doit que regarder autour...' (also would it be 'autour de soi'? I'm not sure what to use with 'on')
edit: or can I still say 'autour de nous' even though I've used 'on'?
um im tempted to say "il ne faut que regarder autour de soi" ou meme "nous" there i think.. depending
most natural thing that comes to my mind, but then again when you dont speak it fluently, some things that sound natural to you are compeltely wrong and picked up somewhere bizarre ahha
but "on ne doit que regarder autour de soi" would work too i think
duno bout the first one though.
and yeh i get confused with on too, but in this case id say 'soi' because you're using it as a one/you kind of thing. i get confused when i used it as "we'.. and then with notre son/sa etc all that
eta; oh and i keep meaning to correct your thing and get to writing my own, but i reeeallly need to study, so ill either do it after methods tomoro, or after chem on thursday. im shit lol
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Just a few corrections... Though beware I may be wrong:
"Ne sentez-vous pas du tout pr?tes ? aller ? l?universit? ? la h?te?"
hmmm I would've thought pr?ts unless you're sure the brochures only aimed at females
"En avez-vous marre du travail, des horaires, et des parents? " Ptet 'tis "De" or ptet m?me mieux "de votre/vos..." you know.. to personalise it =P
"Notre organisation volontaire offre aux jeunes [comme vous] l?occasion de travailler n?importe o? dans le monde" .... stylistic?
"Quoique" DOES NOT = Whatever... it means Although
"Quoi que" ... note the space... = whatever
"Lorsque vous irez ? l??tranger, vous resterez avec une famille d?accueil organis?e par nous, qui vous permettra de vous int?grer dans le style de vie du pays/local"
You've used "quand" alot... gets abit repetitive... mix it up with "lorsque" not sure about the "irez" but I don't think "serez" fits...
"when you're overseas, you'll be staying with..."
"when you go overseas, you'll stay with..." You could probably use either.
"Acceptez le d?fi, vous ne le regretterez pas!"
Overall quite good with an impressive use of the future, subjunctive and present tenses and nice incorporation of "ce dont"
:)
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hah yay someone else corrected it, now i wont waste time im meant to be using to study for chem
another thing
Pourquoi pas prendre une ann?e sabbatique et go?tez de la libert?!
i think should be
Pourquoi pas prendre une ann?e sabbatique et go?ter de la libert?!
because it's like saying pourquoi pas prendre.. and in addition.. pourquoi pas gouter. its not a command
also.
i think "C'est une occasion a ne pas rater" mixes it up a bit and sounds better than "que vous ne pouvez pas rater"
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so anyway do you do french in yr 12 esiarp?
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thanks for the tips :)
and yay another person on the french forum!
just realised your name is 'praise' backwards
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that brings the number up to 4 people. we're getting there 8) baha or not really
i didnt notice the name thing. interesting
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i'm bringing it up to 5 people! woo!
just wondering, has anyone had a go at the 2006 exam? i did it yesterday and found it MUCH harder than anything else que j'ai fait. just me?
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i'm bringing it up to 5 people! woo!
just wondering, has anyone had a go at the 2006 exam? i did it yesterday and found it MUCH harder than anything else que j'ai fait. just me?
haha yay i knew some people would start popping up as we got closer to the exam
um i'm yet to do it but talitha said it was difficult
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oui je suis une fille
mais nous ne sommes pas toutes les filles, je sais que reg est un mec (ben, je pense?)
il n'y a pas des garcons qui font le francais en terminal ? mon ?cole non plus
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Oui, MelD je fais yr 12 maintenant, et la raison pour laquelle je suis dans ce forum est que je m'ennuie d?j? trop ? cause de la chimie donc cela m'a pouss? ? commencer d'?tudier le fran?ais d'une fa?on plus s?rieuse quoi :!: C'est dommage n'est-ce pas que l'examen se passera si tard? 15h mon dieu, je m'attends ? ce qu'on soit morts ? la fin!
:? qu'en pensez vous?
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il n'y a pas des garcons qui font le francais en terminal ? mon ?cole non plus
lolllll je suis le seul ? la mienne :(
anyway
j'ai fait l'examen de 2003 aujord'hui. je suis assez content que l'examen cette an?e sera 2 heuers au lieu de trois que des autres an?es ... zzzz les examens longs me rendent tr?s frustr
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C'est dommage n'est-ce pas que l'examen se passera si tard? 15h mon dieu, je m'attends ? ce qu'on sera morts ? la fin!
:? qu'en pensez vous?
je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec toi, en fait j'ai d?j? eu 2 examens qui ont commenc? ? 15h. (un aujoud'hui) et c'est horrible. je pr?f?rais commencer ? 9h.
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oui moi aussi je pense que c'est ridicule de commencer aussi tard que ca. plus de temps pour devenir nerveux!
en revanche je suis tres heureuse que le jour de l'examen soi-meme soit tard...je suis en annee onze donc je finirai mes 'who cares' examens demain et j'aurai encore une semaine pour etudier QUE le francais. woo ca va etr tressss amusant.
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oui moi aussi je pense que c'est ridicule de commencer aussi tard que ca. plus de temps pour devenir nerveux!
en revanche je suis tres heureuse que le jour de l'examen soi-meme soit tard...je suis en annee onze donc je finirai mes 'who cares' examens demain et j'aurai encore une semaine pour etudier QUE le francais. woo ca va etr tressss amusant.
gah you're only in year 11?? and your french is awesome.
how long was your exchange in france?
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:oops: haha thanks
i was in france for 6 weeks, last summer holidays. time of my life!
et toi tu es allee en echange aussi, non? ou est-ce que tu es reste?
grrr i hate not haviing accents....i used to have them on my ordinateur but it got wiped and i can't get them back. anyone know how to change the keyboard setting?
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Yah, you change the keyboard layout on your default language to "US International", and you get '+e=? etc.
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pour avoir passe que 6 semaines en france, tu parles tres bien le francais. et tes en annee onze! je suis trop jalouse!
bon faut que je retourne a la chimie :( pas amusante ca cest sur. jai aucune idee comment ca va passer demain.. je sais RIEN. lol
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et toi tu es allee en echange aussi, non? ou est-ce que tu es reste?
j'ai pas fait un ?change mais j'y suis all?e il y a deux ans pendant deux semaines avec une group scolaire. mais je regrette que n'aie pas parl? en fran?ais du tout!
ou es-tu rest?e?
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woooo j'ai des accents ?????
merci reg!
oui j'ai la chimie demain aussi (mais 1/2, donc ca ne compte pas) mais je peux pas be bothered...? 20h mon cerveau meure.
bonne chance pour le reste des vos examens tlm
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et toi tu es allee en echange aussi, non? ou est-ce que tu es reste?
j'ai pas fait un ?change mais j'y suis all?e il y a deux ans pendant deux semaines avec une group scolaire. mais je regrette que n'aie pas parl? en fran?ais du tout!
ou es-tu rest?e?
haha i just figured out how to use quotes. how exciting.
je suis rest?e pr?s de paris, mais dans la for?t (somehow there's one 10min from paris...oui c'est possible)
tu as de la chance d'?tre all?e en france avec l'?cole aussi. m?me si tu n'as pas parl? fran?ais la france est toujours incroyable! ou est-ce que tu es all?e?
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tu as de la chance d'?tre all?e en france avec l'?cole aussi. m?me si tu n'as pas parl? fran?ais la france est toujours incroyable! ou est-ce que tu es all?e?
oui on s'est bien amus?!
on est rest? ? paris pendant 4 jours, et puis ? vallet (c'est pr?s de nantes) pendant 1 semaine. et puis on a visit? des chateaux et tout
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wow im happy im not the only one here who has been to france. bec dites-moi plus de ton voyage en france stp
j'adore paris c'est fantastique et les femmes en france sont pas mal.
haha les garcons francais eux aussi ne sont pas mal! eh mon ?change en france ?tait formidable...c'?tait la premiere fois que je suis all?e ? l'?tranger alors j'?tais tr?s contente! on a fait plein de choses (les trucs touristiques comme voir le tour eiffel etc, et j'ai visit? bcp de mus?es), et je suis all?e au lyc?e (les lyc?es fran?ais sont HORRIBLE, quand je suis rentr?e en australie je ne considerais plus mon lyc?e ici comme allant de soi). mais bien que j'ais pas aim? le lyc?e soi-m?me c l? que je me suis faite tant d'amis avec qui je suis toujours en contacte. parfois.
il n'y a vraiment rien de mieux que d'aller en france pour faire du progr?s en fran?ais!...mais j'ai trouv? que mon fran?ais s'est pas am?lior? (je comprenais practiquement RIEN) jusqu'? la troisi?me semaine que j'?tais l?. et puis, c'?tait soudain et je me souviens d'un soir o? je dinais et tout d'un coup je me suis rendu compte que je comprenais tout ce que tout le monde disait. un sentiment incroyable apr?s avoir rien compris pendant 3 semaines, je t'assure!
whoa d?sol?e je n'avais pas l'intention d'?crire tant!
qui a d'autres histoires ? propos des ?changes?
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Oublies pas les cr?pes quoi! Moi-m?me je suis all? en France deux fois, une fois avec ma famille pour nos vacances, et la deuxi?me fois c'?tait l'ann?e derni?re ou j'ai habite avec une famille lyonnaise pendant trois et demi semaines (et de petits tours de Paris, Chamonix(Mt Blanc), Marseille, etc) :P C'?tait super!
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Oublies pas les cr?pes quoi! !
et les pains au chocolat!
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mec :D muahaha b jelous because I don't have to put an e at the end of everything :P
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je suis bon
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meeerde j'arrive pas a reviser le francais, hier jai passe toute la journee en regardant des films et des petits clips sur youtube.. ouai en francais, mais quand meme!
j'ai regarde un film, "je vais bien ne t'en fais pas".. quelqu'un l'a vu? cetait pas trop mal en fait, et pas trop difficile a comprendre.. cest sur veoh.com, sans sous-titres (c'est bien comme revision pour la partie d'ecoute d'examen)
jai regarde un autre film, le dernier jour, avec gaspard ulliel yum, cest sur youtube mais il manque quelques parties du film, donc j'avais aucune idee de ce que se passait haha.. et cest plus difficile de comprendre que l'autre
qu'est-ce que vous faites tous comme revision?
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meeerde j'arrive pas a reviser le francais, hier jai passe toute la journee en regardant des films et des petits clips sur youtube.. ouai en francais, mais quand meme!
haha j'ai pass? toute la journ?e en regardant family guy sur youtube... et pas en fran?ais! j'ai fait presque RIEN pour le fran?ais...sauf l'examen de 2006.. je me conduis comme si j'ai d?j? fini tous mes examens eek et le fran?ais est ma mati?re le plus important!!
je sais pas vraiment comment reviser, en fait. Est-ce que tout le monde revise la grammaire et tout ?a? ou est-ce que c'est trop tard pour ?a et il vaudrait mieux ?couter/lire/?crire??
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je me conduis comme si j'ai d?j? fini tous mes examens eek et le fran?ais est ma mati?re le plus important!!
oui moi aussi, presque tous mes amis ont fini les examens, et je suis sortie avec eux jeudi et vendredi soirs, meme s'il me reste encore l'examen de francais!! cest vraiment pas bien haha.. vendredi il y avait un prac exam pour le francais a l'ecole, mais j'ai completement oublie, et en plus jetais trop hungover haha. merde qu'est-ce que je fais!! c'est le francais, ma matiere preferee!
je sais pas vraiment comment reviser, en fait. Est-ce que tout le monde revise la grammaire et tout ?a? ou est-ce que c'est trop tard pour ?a et il vaudrait mieux ?couter/lire/?crire??
je sais pas non plus.. mais je dirais qu'il vaudrait mieux ecouter des choses en francais et faire des dissertations.. avec la grammaire, si on comprend pas deja tout ca, ben cest bien trop tard je crois.
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oui c'est facile d'?tre un peu parresseux (better word?) avec le fran?ais mais je suis s?re que tu recevras une bonne note quand m?me. Quant ? moi, j'ai peur de manquer des mots dans le 'listening' ? cause du nerfs. Je devrai prendre mon 'stress relief' encore une fois haha
as-tu fait l'examen de 2006? Je suis d'accord avec ce que tout le monde a dit, c'?tait bien plus difficile que d'habitude.
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ouais le francais c'est chiant ? ?tudier, j?adore la mati?re mais j?ai aucune id?e que faire!
oui, j'ai fait leading edge exam 1, puis le lendemain, le vce 2006. et j'ai eu une note en ceci de 20% moins qu'en cela! il y a trop de variation (is that even a french word) dans les examens...
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j'ai regarde un film, "je vais bien ne t'en fais pas".. quelqu'un l'a vu? cetait pas trop mal en fait, et pas trop difficile a comprendre.. cest sur veoh.com, sans sous-titres (c'est bien comme revision pour la partie d'ecoute d'examen)
Je viens de regarder ce film, c'?tait un peu bizarre, comme pr?vu. Et donc est-ce qu'ils ont jamais dit ? la fille que son fr?re est mort? et pourquoi est-ce que (je sais pas leur noms.. le couple) s'est s?par?? j'aime pas les films qui finissent comme ?a.
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Je viens de regarder ce film, c'?tait un peu bizarre, comme pr?vu. Et donc est-ce qu'ils ont jamais dit ? la fille que son fr?re est mort? et pourquoi est-ce que (je sais pas leur noms.. le couple) s'est s?par?? j'aime pas les films qui finissent comme ?a.
cetait pas tres clair, la fin du film lol.. et je sais pas pourquoi ils se sont separes..
who knows ha. i wish i was melanie laurent though. jealous
de toute facon, faut trouver un autre film a regarder! jai decide que ca cest tout ce que je vais faire comme revision. regarder des films et lire de petites choses..
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regarder les films, ecouter les chansons...i love that this is studying!
le francais, je t'aime.
i watched one this morning, it was called jeux d'enfants. TRES weird, i don't recommend it!
has anyone seen le diner de cons or l'auberge espagnole? best movies ever....regardez-les!
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regarder les films, ecouter les chansons...i love that this is studying!
le francais, je t'aime.
i watched one this morning, it was called jeux d'enfants. TRES weird, i don't recommend it!
has anyone seen le diner de cons or l'auberge espagnole? best movies ever....regardez-les!
haha i've seen 'jeux d'enfants', talk about a bizarre ending!!
I'll go download those other films now..
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ok I couldn't find either of those movies on veoh. Where else could I find them?
or what other films are good??
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my net is so slow at the moment i've given up on trying to download anything (a 2min you tube vid takes about 20min...ca ne vaut pas la peine) so anyway, i don't have any suggestions for downloads!
but other good french movies that are in video ezy/possibly on the internet are....
- priceless / hors de prix (pretty funny and very easy to understand)
- my best friend/ mon meilleur ami (drags in bits but overall trop bien!)
- la sciences des reves/ the science of sleep (personally i really liked it but its the kind of thing a lot of people would hate. a bit arty farty...like eternal sunshine of the spotless mind. BUT this is in french/english/spanish so might not be what you want. but mostly french!
we should start a movie thread! actually i will now.
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we should start a movie thread! actually i will now.
il y'en a deja un! mais personne n'utilise :( lol
ouais jeux d'enfants cest trop bizarre hah
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i'm doing another writing task where I have to write a speech about someone who has inspired me, so I need help with a few really lame phrases haha -
to do one's best - this is 'faire de son mieux' or something like that??
to be yourself - ?tre soi-m?me??
to stand up for what you believe in - this obviously won't translate literally..
to strive for knowledge/excellence - ??
hm I might think of some more
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200-300 words is really not much at all ey. I keep writing too much
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i'm doing another writing task where I have to write a speech about someone who has inspired me, so I need help with a few really lame phrases haha -
to do one's best - this is 'faire de son mieux' or something like that??
to be yourself - ?tre soi-m?me??
to stand up for what you believe in - this obviously won't translate literally..
to strive for knowledge/excellence - ??
hm I might think of some more
first ones right
second ones right too
stand up for oneself can be se defendre or stand up for something defendre son point de vue you could maybe use that, or defendre ses croyances but i dont know if that works. theres probably a better specific type phrase but i dont know it. you have use se battre pour.. ses croyances, ses droits etc also i think
4th one i have no idea
and yeh 200-300 words really is pretty short oh well i really should do some practice essays
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i'm doing another writing task where I have to write a speech about someone who has inspired me, so I need help with a few really lame phrases haha -
to do one's best - this is 'faire de son mieux' or something like that??
to be yourself - ?tre soi-m?me??
to stand up for what you believe in - this obviously won't translate literally..
to strive for knowledge/excellence - ??
i think to strive for would be s'efforcer but only for a verb....so if you want to say "she strives for excellence" you could say like "elle s'efforce d'obtenir la reussite"? ew that doesn't sound very good translated literally though.
on another note, what do your teachers tell you about writing "cher journal" to start diary entries? because mine says il faut absolument l'ecrire - but other teachers are adament that you should never use it.
26hours to go till freedom
EDIT: sorry! i spelt it wrong...twice. it's [/b] s'efforcer with an r...
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my teacher said dont write it. but who knows. i guess it sounds a bit corny, if you can think of a really punchy start, thats probably better.
god iv still done NO study hahahaha im so lazy im just hoping to wing it
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on another note, what do your teachers tell you about writing "cher journal" to start diary entries? because mine says il faut absolument l'ecrire - but other teachers are adament that you should never use it.
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I use 'cher journal', what else would you use? Why do some teachers think it's bad?
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well like i said, teachers seem to be pretty divided but all have pretty strong opinions!
the ones who say you shouldn't, suggest you start with something that you would actually write in a diary, like "la vie est pourrie. pierre m'a quitte, je peux toujours pas le croire!"
...but my teacher says that it doesn't satisfy the "structure" criteria for a diary. meh. i'm so over vce french, i just want it to be french-french and not have to worry about ce qui plairait aux examinateurs...
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mass cbf doing this exam haha. seriously i just caaant be fucked at aallll. since i did absolutly no study yesterday i said i was gona get up relatively early today and do some but i just got up and well clearly im nott studying haha. shit! what am i doing!