ATAR Notes: Forum
National Education => Admissions tests => Selective Schools Admissions Tests => Topic started by: ProbotMelbourne on January 17, 2019, 09:44:35 am
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We only have to write one writing test this year, persuasive or creative.
And we have like 40 minutes for only ONE writing test, 30 minutes writing and 10 minutes planning.
The rest is same.
A series of five tests form the selective entry high school examination:
• verbal reasoning
• numerical reasoning
• persuasive or creative written expression
• reading comprehension
• mathematics.
Four of the tests are multiple-choice, each run for 30 minutes in length and do not include reading time. The writing test is 30 minutes in duration, plus an additional 10 minutes of planning time. Normally, a short 15-minute break is taken after the completion of the writing test.
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Wow that sucks. It just makes it harder for everyone. 15 minutes was good for separating us from the slow writers. Now it's anyone's game with a solid 30 minutes. Do we still need to get around 3 superiors to get first offer?
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On the flip side, 30 minutes means you can write a proper planned and well thought out essay rather than a rushed piece of writing. I, for one, agree fully with this change. No where in high school will you be writing an essay in such short time. Even in VCE you get an hour to write each essay.
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We only have to write one writing test this year, persuasive or creative.
And we have like 40 minutes for only ONE writing test, 30 minutes writing and 10 minutes planning.
The rest is same.
A series of five tests form the selective entry high school examination:
• verbal reasoning
• numerical reasoning
• persuasive or creative written expression
• reading comprehension
• mathematics.
Four of the tests are multiple-choice, each run for 30 minutes in length and do not include reading time. The writing test is 30 minutes in duration, plus an additional 10 minutes of planning time. Normally, a short 15-minute break is taken after the completion of the writing test.
Wow so 2018 was the last year of the traditional format of the exam :o
I feel as if pretty much everyone taking the exam will be able to finish the writing piece with the new time limit, so your best bet here while preparing for the exam would be to focus on coming up with good arguments/creative plot lines and then specifically focusing on making your piece different from the rest (using show not tell, good vocabulary, good length e.t.c).
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Wow so 2018 was the last year of the traditional format of the exam :o
I feel as if pretty much everyone taking the exam will be able to finish the writing piece with the new time limit, so your best bet here while preparing for the exam would be to focus on coming up with good arguments/creative plot lines and then specifically focusing on making your piece different from the rest (using show not tell, good vocabulary, good length e.t.c).
Yeah, the 10 minutes planning can help me to actually get good arguments.
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Wow that sucks. It just makes it harder for everyone. 15 minutes was good for separating us from the slow writers. Now it's anyone's game with a solid 30 minutes. Do we still need to get around 3 superiors to get first offer?
Hopefully it’s 2, but most likely still 3.
I wanted it to be 15 minutes, but it’s 30 now,with 10 mins planning, so 40.
Probably can get out intro,3-4 para,rebuttal, conclusion
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On the flip side, 30 minutes means you can write a proper planned and well thought out essay rather than a rushed piece of writing. I, for one, agree fully with this change. No where in high school will you be writing an essay in such short time. Even in VCE you get an hour to write each essay.
I agree with this change as well, but it seems like a disadvantage for me since I only plan for 20 seconds
I’ll try to plan for longer now.
Another thing is that we don’t even know what we are preparing for, creative or persuasive. It can be any of them.
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The change makes it slightly harder for everyone. The good writers typically get 2 superiors in writing and then only need 1 or even no more superiors to get into their selected school. Now they will also need to excel in other subjects as there is one writing piece. This gives an advantage for the others who typically don't do well in writing, but excel in mathematics or reasoning. But, since many people are getting advantages from this change it actually cancels itself out. If majority of people get an advantage, then its not an advantage.
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The change makes it slightly harder for everyone. The good writers typically get 2 superiors in writing and then only need 1 or even no more superiors to get into their selected school. Now they will also need to excel in other subjects as there is one writing piece. This gives an advantage for the others who typically don't do well in writing, but excel in mathematics or reasoning. But, since many people are getting advantages from this change it actually cancels itself out. If majority of people get an advantage, then its not an advantage.
Yeah, agree with you.
I’d be sad if I was good at writing lol.
It’s an interesting change,though, I’d prefer the older system.
I hope it’s 2 superiors to get into Melbourne high, but I doubt it. Suzanne Cory is always an option :)
I’m scared that I’ll get average in reading comp or something and reduce my chances of getting in.
Is ur second option NHS OR SCHS?
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Just going for MHS, the others are too far. I pretty sure if you only put Melbourne High as a preference, they will consider you more in second round offers and principal discretion.
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Just going for MHS, the others are too far. I pretty sure if you only put Melbourne High as a preference, they will consider you more in second round offers and principal discretion.
Ohh, I’m putting MHS then SCHS or SCHS then MHS,idk. My house is pretty close to SCHS,25-30 minutes by car.
Where do you live? South Melbourne?
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Around north Melbourne. The city is about 50 minutes via train.
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Around north Melbourne. The city is about 50 minutes via train.
Oh,interesting. I’m in west Melbourne,city is 30 minutes by train but the train station is 10 minutes from my house so it’s 40 minutes.
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Around north Melbourne. The city is about 50 minutes via train.
All the tutors have already made their students ace the 15 minute timer exam, now it’s 30 mins
Btw, SCHS n NHS need 0-1 superiors and no averages.
R u in a competitive school?
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What is this for? does it concern us VCE students?
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What is this for? does it concern us VCE students?
No, not at all. It’s for the selective examination happening in June for selective schools in Victoria. Concerns year 8s mostly
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No, not at all. It’s for the selective examination happening in June for selective schools in Victoria. Concerns year 8s mostly
Ooh alright.
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We only have to write one writing test this year, persuasive or creative.
And we have like 40 minutes for only ONE writing test, 30 minutes writing and 10 minutes planning.
The rest is same.
A series of five tests form the selective entry high school examination:
• verbal reasoning
• numerical reasoning
• persuasive or creative written expression
• reading comprehension
• mathematics.
Four of the tests are multiple-choice, each run for 30 minutes in length and do not include reading time. The writing test is 30 minutes in duration, plus an additional 10 minutes of planning time. Normally, a short 15-minute break is taken after the completion of the writing test.
if only they changed the time limit for the other tests too lol
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Is this true??
If it is then why are professional coaching industries still coaching students with the traditional format?
I am not saying that this is false information but if this was true then shouldnt the professional coaching colleges know about this too??
Moreover, just 1 writing piece will not make things difficult at all as the 15 minute time limit seperates the fast and well-structured essays from the slow and poor essays.
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Most ‘professional coaching colleges’ don’t stay updated with the current system. It is easy to overestimate how ‘professional’ such places really are. I wouldn’t be surprised if the vast majority haven’t even heard about the change. Make sure that you recognise whether your money would be best spent elsewhere.
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Does this format apply to year 9's trying for year 10 as well??? plsss answerrr.
I tried out for nossal in 2018 but sadly failed, so i'm gonna try again for year 10 entrance, eventhough i got no chance.
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Does this format apply to year 9's trying for year 10 as well??? plsss answerrr.
I tried out for nossal in 2018 but sadly failed, so i'm gonna try again for year 10 entrance, eventhough i got no chance.
No, Nossal gives their own test, each school in year 10 give their own test.
Good luck
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No, Nossal gives their own test, each school in year 10 give their own test.
Good luck
ohh okay, that sucks. Guess i will have to write in 15 minutes. Thankyou for replying.
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Is this true??
If it is then why are professional coaching industries still coaching students with the traditional format?
I am not saying that this is false information but if this was true then shouldnt the professional coaching colleges know about this too??
Moreover, just 1 writing piece will not make things difficult at all as the 15 minute time limit seperates the fast and well-structured essays from the slow and poor essays.
I’m assuming that they’re changing it to 30 minutes now because they’re looking for quality work. The examiners want to see the best quality you can provide, and increasing the time given will allow the slow, yet talented writers to shine. Not that swift writers don’t have a chance though; they just have more time to think about their phrasing and structuring.
The information is most likely true because it is on the offical Selective Schools page on the Victorian education website. I’m trying out this year for Year Nine as well. Fingers crossed I’ll get in, but if I don’t, I’m just grateful that I’ve had the experience. :)
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I’m assuming that they’re changing it to 30 minutes now because they’re looking for quality work. The examiners want to see the best quality you can provide, and increasing the time given will allow the slow, yet talented writers to shine. Not that swift writers don’t have a chance though; they just have more time to think about their phrasing and structuring.
The information is most likely true because it is on the offical Selective Schools page on the Victorian education website. I’m trying out this year for Year Nine as well. Fingers crossed I’ll get in, but if I don’t, I’m just grateful that I’ve had the experience. :)
Good luck!
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Good luck!
Thanks! Are you trying out as well this year?
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Thanks! Are you trying out as well this year?
Yeah