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Archived Discussion => 2009 => End-of-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => English => Topic started by: mystikal on October 30, 2009, 05:49:38 pm

Title: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: mystikal on October 30, 2009, 05:49:38 pm
i have to do some venting here, == i stufffed up the analysis, the article was a masssive load of bull.

and the visual == i said that it was against the article == when it was suppose to be in favour.
the visual was so dodgey, i thought it was meant to be a bleak image(dark background) of the future where the person seem emotionless and humans would simplely be a bunch of numbers no individuality and seem less human. I hate you visual == i realised that you were meant to say the visual supported the article.

does that mean i get penalised badly==?
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: phuiii on October 30, 2009, 05:51:59 pm
The thing about language analysis is that it is open to interpretation.
You can basically write anything you want as long as you justified it with evidence from the source before your analysis.
So basically if you explained "How" it positioned the reader, you won't get penalised in fact you probably might score higher than other people by having a fresh view of the opinion article.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: Heiby on October 30, 2009, 05:52:59 pm
hmmm i thought the visual went with the article....because he was talking about "super sapiens" and i wrote that it symbolised the human brain being replaced by computers because they do everything for us.

but it was a pretty crappy article all around
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: mystikal on October 30, 2009, 05:54:20 pm
actually == if u you read the page before the articles, it says in a small simple sentence 'please explain how the visual and written language persuades the reader in the same opinion of the opinion piece.' == yea im stupid eh?

hmmm i thought the visual went with the article....because he was talking about "super sapiens" and i wrote that it symbolised the human brain being replaced by computers because they do everything for us.

but it was a pretty crappy article all around

yea you are right dw, the visual did go with the article
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: dejan91 on October 30, 2009, 05:54:49 pm
I don't think you can get penalised if you justified your viewpoint. Remember that each analysis is going to be different because everybody has their own interpretation on something. So if you could give a reason as to why you thought it was against the article then you should be fine. But honestly, I'm not 100% sure on this. Just my thoughts.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: kendraaaaa on October 30, 2009, 05:56:46 pm
I think the examiners marking the language analysis definately won't get bored, there's a lot of room for personal interpration in that piece/image.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: PepsiMax on October 30, 2009, 05:58:10 pm
If you state in your contention that he is pro-tech and then write that he is anti-tech I think that you will be penalised.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: mystikal on October 30, 2009, 06:06:22 pm
If you state in your contention that he is pro-tech and then write that he is anti-tech I think that you will be penalised.

nahh i said through out the analysis that the image was anti tech and the opinion piece was pro tech.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: kendraaaaa on October 30, 2009, 06:07:20 pm
If you state in your contention that he is pro-tech and then write that he is anti-tech I think that you will be penalised.

nahh i said through out the analysis that the image was anti tech and the opinion piece was pro tech.

Eh I dunno, if I was reading that it would seem a bit illogical since the image is there to support the author's contention not challenge it. However, if you managed to support yourself I guess it's okay.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: mystikal on October 30, 2009, 06:21:07 pm
If you state in your contention that he is pro-tech and then write that he is anti-tech I think that you will be penalised.

nahh i said through out the analysis that the image was anti tech and the opinion piece was pro tech.

Eh I dunno, if I was reading that it would seem a bit illogical since the image is there to support the author's contention not challenge it.

i know i know =( thats why i think i stuffed it up, but i did back up my interpretation with evidence.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: PepsiMax on October 30, 2009, 06:25:12 pm
I wrote that he provided points that were against his contention.........



but he disproved them to remove any doubt in the reader's minds about embracing technology.  :)

Don't stress though, I seriously doubt you will get hit hard for that, if at all.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: i.am.amanda on October 30, 2009, 07:59:41 pm
I talked about the image's ambiguity. Voxi might have thought that the image supported his contention, but clearly others think differently (as is seen in this thread). I wrote that it could have been a negative inclusion in the article, as it may be viewed as humans becoming 'robotic'; but the general audience (being internet users) would likely be presuaded to view the image in a positive light.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: NE2000 on October 30, 2009, 08:05:46 pm
Wasn't the audience, while obviously being internet users, more her opposition. Just from the fact that she went to great lengths to appease that she understands their viewpoint while also presenting counterargument and questions like "why be afraid?" or something. It would be an interesting read but of no effect to supporters. Well that's what I thought. I found it a bit weird that the opposition would be reading Voxi's piece in an online journal though, but the purpose of the piece was to persuade those of opposing viewpoint.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: i.am.amanda on October 30, 2009, 08:10:53 pm
Dunno. I just went with internet users because, as you said, I couldn't see Voxi's opposition reading an internet journal.

I think as long as both points of view were taken into consideration it shouldn't be a big deal, right?
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: NE2000 on October 30, 2009, 08:12:42 pm
Yeah I think they're generally lenient with places where you can have multiple interpretations.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: tomygun_123 on October 31, 2009, 10:28:57 am
Im curious as to how many people wrote 'nothing' or 'blabbed on' about that image, i found it difficult to write something of meaning and show how it persuades... after all it was a head with numbers... perhaps it encouraged a simplistic outlook...
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: invalid on October 31, 2009, 11:15:27 am
I said that alone it was a fairly neutral depiction of the divergence of the digital and human worlds, but when accompanied by the article it took on positive connotations
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: NE2000 on October 31, 2009, 11:20:26 am
I think it was significant that amidst the dark background the CPU represented light/hope/supersapien-ness
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: haneybee on October 31, 2009, 09:44:39 pm
Im curious as to how many people wrote 'nothing' or 'blabbed on' about that image, i found it difficult to write something of meaning and show how it persuades... after all it was a head with numbers... perhaps it encouraged a simplistic outlook...

yeah.. I found the ambiguity of the image rather frustrating... grrrrr.

does anyone know if the visual analysis has a lot of weight? I understand that it's part of the criteria... but it is "language" analysis after all and how readers are persuaded.
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: ross huggard on November 01, 2009, 09:21:43 am
im sure if you briefly include the image and dont ignore it, then you'll be fine^^
Title: Re: i hate you language analysis ==
Post by: spontaneouscombustion on November 01, 2009, 09:25:08 am
Was 'Bring it on' near the end of the article a cliché? Because I said it was :S