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Title: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Joseph41 on October 22, 2019, 01:48:00 pm
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Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: soneo5two2 on November 01, 2019, 04:13:59 pm
Just finished up, overall better than expected except for matrices module. Q8 of matrices is being debated by many students some saying 85 and others saying 25 planes  :-[ . How did you guys fair?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Nexica on November 01, 2019, 04:15:55 pm
What did everyone get for question 7 of matrices?

Just finished up, overall better than expected except for matrices module. Q8 of matrices is being debated by many students some saying 85 and others saying 25 planes  :-[ . How did you guys fair?
I think it's 85 (E).
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Sai Ramishetty on November 01, 2019, 04:17:02 pm
What did u guys get for question 2 in matrices and question 8 in geometry and measurement
My answers are D and B
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: rani_b on November 01, 2019, 04:17:04 pm
Oh god , Q8 matrices took me so long!!!
Other than that, I thought the exam was pretty fair and pretty standard with other exams  :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Nexica on November 01, 2019, 04:18:15 pm
What did u guys get for question 2 in matrices and question 8 in geometry and measurement
My answers are D and B
Same here, D and B.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: _echolab on November 01, 2019, 04:20:31 pm
Just finished up, overall better than expected except for matrices module. Q8 of matrices is being debated by many students some saying 85 and others saying 25 planes  :-[ . How did you guys fair?

25 is the number of planes in Sydney only, 85 is number of planes total, so answer was 85.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: cats for the cup 2019 on November 01, 2019, 04:22:27 pm
What did u guys get for question 2 in matrices and question 8 in geometry and measurement
My answers are D and B

didn't do the matrices module...but got b for q8 for geometry and measurement.
overall, fairly happy with the exam :D
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: soneo5two2 on November 01, 2019, 04:25:29 pm
25 is the number of planes in Sydney only, 85 is number of planes total, so answer was 85.

How did you work out the total planes from the amount in Sydney. I ended up guessing 25 and moving on  :'(.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: _echolab on November 01, 2019, 04:30:26 pm
How did you work out the total planes from the amount in Sydney. I ended up guessing 25 and moving on  :'(.

12 moved from Sydney to Melbourne, which was 0.48 of the planes in Sydney, so there were 12/0.48=25 planes in Sydney.

As amount of planes in Sydney has to stay the same, 12 planes moved from Melbourne to Sydney, which was 0.2 of the planes in Melbourne, so there were 12/0.2 = 60 planes in Melbourne.

Hope that was clear!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Sai Ramishetty on November 01, 2019, 04:35:03 pm
Hey guys
For the geometry question 3, did you guys use 3pir^2 or 2pir^2 to get the total surface area of the hemisphere?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: soneo5two2 on November 01, 2019, 04:38:46 pm
12 moved from Sydney to Melbourne, which was 0.48 of the planes in Sydney, so there were 12/0.48=25 planes in Sydney.

As amount of planes in Sydney has to stay the same, 12 planes moved from Melbourne to Sydney, which was 0.2 of the planes in Melbourne, so there were 12/0.2 = 60 planes in Melbourne.

Hope that was clear!

Yeah I understand now, feel bad that I already lost that mark  :'(.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Jim_Bob on November 01, 2019, 04:42:12 pm
So, I think I've lost 2 marks on Exam 1... How many marks do u think i need to lose on Exam 2 to get a 45+. Strong cohort and good ranking
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: phurley375 on November 01, 2019, 04:43:39 pm
What did people get for Networks Q8? I answered D (3).
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: gpeace on November 01, 2019, 04:46:27 pm
Someone pls post network answers if you have them i need to know that i can still get an A+
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: cats for the cup 2019 on November 01, 2019, 04:46:42 pm
What did people get for Networks Q8? I answered D (3).

Yep I did D = 3 as well....
I got G, I and N as the ones with a float time of 10...don't know if that's right though
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: gpeace on November 01, 2019, 04:47:50 pm
What did people get for Networks Q8? I answered D (3).

I got E (4) but looking back on it now its definitely D 😫
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: lst1103 on November 01, 2019, 04:49:51 pm
Networks:

1 E
2 C
3 C
4 A
5 B
6 A
7 B
8 D
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: exoticspice on November 01, 2019, 04:53:09 pm
i lost 10 marks
can i get 40, if i get 80%+
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: peds01 on November 01, 2019, 04:54:12 pm
What did everyone get for question 7 of matrices?

I went with 1 (B), but found the wording of the question to be a little ambiguous. I found it unclear whether or not the "other" was referring to any person "other" from "Y" (including W) or a person "other" than W, I assumed it to mean any person "other" than Y so went with B since Y can communicate directly to W. Also if it did mean one other from W, did it mean as in from Y directly to one other person and then directly to W, in which case there would be 0 ways. Or did it mean from Y directly to one "other" than W and then whatever as long as it gets to W, in which case there would be infinite ways.

Also I just realised I mixed up Networks Question 4  >:( , would have realised if I had time to read over that section, exams suck.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: _echolab on November 01, 2019, 04:57:26 pm
I got E (4) but looking back on it now its definitely D 😫

I'm so sorry if this is a bother, but I redid it again and I'm pretty sure I got 4 (E) again, would you be able to point me through how to do it or which ones have a float time of 10? Thanks!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: beastquest1212 on November 01, 2019, 04:59:06 pm
Here are the answers to core, matrices and graphs and relations. I've cross checked them with a bunch of friends, so we think it's 100%, pls let know if any wrong ones in it.

Core:
BBDDCDBBEAABEEDCDCACCECB

Matrices:
CDEEBAAE

Graphs and Relations:
BDEDBCEC
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: phurley375 on November 01, 2019, 05:00:52 pm
Yep I did D = 3 as well....
I got G, I and N as the ones with a float time of 10...don't know if that's right though

I was close to answering C (2). Lucky I checked edge I.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: gpeace on November 01, 2019, 05:13:03 pm
I'm so sorry if this is a bother, but I redid it again and I'm pretty sure I got 4 (E) again, would you be able to point me through how to do it or which ones have a float time of 10? Thanks!

So the reason I got 4 was because i accidentally wrote the wrong LST for activity F/G. I did 19-3=16 (using the G path) rather than choosing the lowest option (18-8=10 ie the F path). The activities with a float time of 10 were G, I and N however because i wrote the LST for F and G as 16 i also got activity D. You might have done something similar and made an error in your forward or backward scanning.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Turgle on November 01, 2019, 05:13:34 pm
Matrices: CDEEBAAE
Networks: ECCABABD
Was a little unsure of Q7 in matrices, but everything else seems right,
Anyone else get similar?

Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: piEsquare on November 01, 2019, 05:17:25 pm
Core:
BBDDCDBBEAABEEDCDCACCECB

Hii, can I ask why Core Question 15 is 103 (D)? I was unsure of my answer so I'd like to ask how you found it. Thanks so much!! :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: _echolab on November 01, 2019, 05:17:44 pm
So the reason I got 4 was because i accidentally wrote the wrong LST for activity F/G. I did 19-3=16 (using the G path) rather than choosing the lowest option (18-8=10 ie the F path). The activities with a float time of 10 were G, I and N however because i wrote the LST for F and G as 16 i also got activity D. You might have done something similar and made an error in your forward or backward scanning.

Ah yes, I see it now, from A-D-F-K-O? Thanks!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: beastquest1212 on November 01, 2019, 05:24:39 pm
Hii, can I ask why Core Question 15 is 103 (D)? I was unsure of my answer so I'd like to ask how you found it. Thanks so much!! :)

I think the process is like this. There are 12 months so the median must be between the 6th and 7th values. The 6th and seventh highest rainfall is like 96ish and 110. Average the two and you get 103.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: piEsquare on November 01, 2019, 05:29:28 pm
I think the process is like this. There are 12 months so the median must be between the 6th and 7th values. The 6th and seventh highest rainfall is like 96ish and 110. Average the two and you get 103.

Omg nooo I understand my mistake now. I looked at the values as they were, not ordered. So my 6th and 7th values were June and July instead if July and September. Thank you!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: pugs on November 01, 2019, 05:30:11 pm
for matrices q7 did anyone feel that the wording was ambiguous or was it just me :(

when it says "by sending it directly to one other person" i thought of from Y directly to W when i was checking through my answers even though i initially had the two-step answer because of the wording ://

also can someone check geometry & measurement with me please :)
1. D
2. A
3. C
4. E
5. C
6. D
7. D
8. B
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: pugs on November 01, 2019, 05:33:21 pm
I went with 1 (B), but found the wording of the question to be a little ambiguous. I found it unclear whether or not the "other" was referring to any person "other" from "Y" (including W) or a person "other" than W, I assumed it to mean any person "other" than Y so went with B since Y can communicate directly to W. Also if it did mean one other from W, did it mean as in from Y directly to one other person and then directly to W, in which case there would be 0 ways. Or did it mean from Y directly to one "other" than W and then whatever as long as it gets to W, in which case there would be infinite ways.

Also I just realised I mixed up Networks Question 4  >:( , would have realised if I had time to read over that section, exams suck.
i just replied in the thread above but yes!! that was me omg – if only they had added 'by FIRST sending it directly to one other person' or made the wording more clear :/ i went with B too
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: piEsquare on November 01, 2019, 05:34:05 pm
for matrices q7 did anyone feel that the wording was ambiguous or was it just me :(

when it says "by sending it directly to one other person" i thought of from Y directly to W when i was checking through my answers even though i initially had the two-step answer because of the wording ://

oh yeah, definitely. it took me a while to decide which route to take, but i ended up looking at the question as the two-stage pathway meaning, so my answer was 0 (A).
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: pugs on November 01, 2019, 05:35:43 pm
oh yeah, definitely. it took me a while to decide which route to take, but i ended up looking at the question as the two-stage pathway meaning, so my answer was 0 (A).
i should've known that they wouldn't make it as simple as directly but ahh the wording threw me off
do you reckon there's any chance vcaa will accept both answers lol i cry
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Turgle on November 01, 2019, 05:38:30 pm
for matrices q7 did anyone feel that the wording was ambiguous or was it just me :(

when it says "by sending it directly to one other person" i thought of from Y directly to W when i was checking through my answers even though i initially had the two-step answer because of the wording ://
Yeah, I thought wasn't to clear either :/, spent way too much time on it
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Amnilauv on November 01, 2019, 05:39:14 pm
for matrices q7 did anyone feel that the wording was ambiguous or was it just me :(

when it says "by sending it directly to one other person" i thought of from Y directly to W when i was checking through my answers even though i initially had the two-step answer because of the wording ://

also can someone check geometry & measurement with me please :)
1. D
2. A
3. C
4. E
5. C
6. D
7. D
8. B
Impressive! Everything is correct.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: reards on November 01, 2019, 05:40:16 pm
a copy of exam anywhere?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: peds01 on November 01, 2019, 05:43:54 pm
i should've known that they wouldn't make it as simple as directly but ahh the wording threw me off
do you reckon there's any chance vcaa will accept both answers lol i cry

I recall there being multiple answers to questions in the past so I'm sure it's a possibility. Looking back I'd guess the answer was intended to be A because of like you said how simple B was, but the wording made either possible imo.

Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: soneo5two2 on November 01, 2019, 05:43:59 pm
These are the solutions we have came up with, please let me know if there's any mistakes.

Core data: BBDDCDBBEAABEEDC
Core financial: DCACCECB
Matrices: CDEEBAAE
Networks: ECCABABD
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: cats for the cup 2019 on November 01, 2019, 05:45:50 pm
Impressive! Everything is correct.

niiiiicceee...i did all those answers too.  ;D ;D
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Nexica on November 01, 2019, 05:48:28 pm
i should've known that they wouldn't make it as simple as directly but ahh the wording threw me off
do you reckon there's any chance vcaa will accept both answers lol i cry
I hope VCAA will accept both answers. I spent like 20 minutes trying to figure it out :P
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: pugs on November 01, 2019, 05:48:37 pm
Impressive! Everything is correct.
thank you!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: pugs on November 01, 2019, 05:49:35 pm
I recall there being multiple answers to questions in the past so I'm sure it's a possibility. Looking back I'd guess the answer was intended to be A because of like you said how simple B was, but the wording made either possible imo.
I hope VCAA will accept both answers. I spent like 20 minutes trying to figure it out :P
hopefully!! fingers crossed (yEs omg i spent way too long on it)
(even though i already screwed up that plane question as well rip – didn't realise it was steady state)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: pugs on November 01, 2019, 05:51:49 pm
These are the solutions we have came up with, please let me know if there's any mistakes.

Core data: BBDDCDBBEAABEEDC
Core financial: DCACCECB
Matrices: CDEEBAAE
Networks: ECCABABD
i don't do networks so can't say for that, but i'm pretty sure everything else is correct! nicee
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: gpeace on November 01, 2019, 05:54:08 pm
Can someone explain to me why question 6 of networks is A? That was like one of the first ones I crossed off.

I got B because i thought between P and Q there was only 2 connections. I’m so confuseddddd
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: soneo5two2 on November 01, 2019, 05:57:18 pm
i don't do networks so can't say for that, but i'm pretty sure everything else is correct! nicee

Sadly not mine answers solely, these are what we worked out after the exam together. I believe I got 34/40 which is very disappointing for me. Anyone know if 45 SS is still possible after this?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Adapt on November 01, 2019, 06:00:39 pm
Ugh I didn’t see the September point for Q15 so I chose 111, if I only lose that mark, but get 100% in exam 2, is 50 still possible? I’m rank 1 in my cohort with 100% sac scores
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: ImamB1 on November 01, 2019, 06:13:29 pm
For Graphs and relations isn't the last question D ???, cause they meet when the t=4.78 when you sub that into Alan's equation you get 517.6 which means that he would have walked 518m to the nearest mere.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Adapt on November 01, 2019, 06:15:40 pm
For Graphs and relations isn't the last question D ???, cause they meet when the t=4.78 when you sub that into Alan's equation you get 517.6 which means that he would have walked 518m to the nearest mere.
For Alan’s equation, his distance is how far he is from his home, so at that point, he walked 900-518 m
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Zappi on November 01, 2019, 06:23:22 pm
My answers:

Core: BBDDC DBBEA ABEED CDCAC CECB
Matrices: CDEEB AAA
Networks: ECCAB BAD

Judging from others' responses it seems like I missed Matrices Q8 and Networks Q6 & 7

Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: tomkel on November 01, 2019, 06:24:16 pm
I got 35/40 in exam 1, whats the most i can drop in exam 2, and can i still get a 40 as my study score?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: spencerrachel on November 01, 2019, 06:24:38 pm
Here are the answers to core, matrices and graphs and relations. I've cross checked them with a bunch of friends, so we think it's 100%, pls let know if any wrong ones in it.

Core:
BBDDCDBBEAABEEDCDCACCECB

Matrices:
CDEEBAAE

Graphs and Relations:
BDEDBCEC

How did you do Question 8 in Graphs and Relations? I got D but it might be wrong
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Jashy on November 01, 2019, 06:27:16 pm
Ugh I didn’t see the September point for Q15 so I chose 111, if I only lose that mark, but get 100% in exam 2, is 50 still possible? I’m rank 1 in my cohort with 100% sac scores

Definitely possible. But also depends on how other people go in your cohort
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Nexica on November 01, 2019, 06:38:32 pm
I got 35/40 in exam 1, whats the most i can drop in exam 2, and can i still get a 40 as my study score?
Since getting around 36/40 and 54/60 gets you a 40, and exam 1 marks are worth 1.5x as much as exam 2 marks (due to each exam giving 33% contribution to SS but exam 2 having 1.5x the marks), I'd say 55.5/60 would do it - so aim for 56/60.

However, it depends on your ranking, your cohort, and the difficulty of this year's exam, so take that prediction with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: exoticspice on November 01, 2019, 06:40:55 pm
i got 25/40.
if get 50/60 in exam 2 will i get 35+ plus?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Sherlock.Holmes on November 01, 2019, 06:51:13 pm
If you get 34/40 and are in top 3 ranking, what's the highest studying score possible?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Tadd12345 on November 01, 2019, 07:12:59 pm
Im not seeing enough people discuss the answer to question 7 of the Matrices Module. I feel the ambiguous wording of the question would make it this years multiple correct answer question. Does anyone else feel the same way?

I got A, and that is because I interpreted the phrase "directly to one other person" as any other person that isn't Y. so in my opinion it is zero, anyone care to discuss it with me? I have the full exam sitting right in front of me.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Nexica on November 01, 2019, 07:14:45 pm
Im not seeing enough people discuss the answer to question 7 of the Matrices Module. I feel the ambiguous wording of the question would make it this years multiple correct answer question. Does anyone else feel the same way?

I got A, and that is because I interpreted the phrase "directly to one other person" as any other person that isn't Y. so in my opinion it is zero, anyone care to discuss it with me? I have the full exam sitting right in front of me.
I chose A as well, after switching between A and B 3 times. I hope they allow both A and B to be correct, I'll be annoyed if they don't  :(
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Zappi on November 01, 2019, 07:16:46 pm
I chose A as well, after switching between A and B 3 times. I hope they allow both A and B to be correct, I'll be annoyed if they don't  :(

It has to be A, the question's asking how many ways Y can send a message to W by sending it directly to one other person, so it has to be with a two-way matrix, right?

I don't get the other interpretation :'(
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: pugs on November 01, 2019, 07:26:52 pm
It has to be A, the question's asking how many ways Y can send a message to W by sending it directly to one other person, so it has to be with a two-way matrix, right?

I don't get the other interpretation :'(
how i interpreted it was

"In how many ways can Y get a message to W by sending it directly to one other person"

How many ways can Y get a message to W by sending it to any one person that is not Y (including W)

so i picked B because i interpreted like that, as Y can directly send a message to W  :(
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Tadd12345 on November 01, 2019, 07:43:35 pm
how i interpreted it was

"In how many ways can Y get a message to W by sending it directly to one other person"

How many ways can Y get a message to W by sending it to any one person that is not Y (including W)

so i picked B because i interpreted like that, as Y can directly send a message to W  :(
Yeah, our cohort was divided exact 50/50 on that question. Interesting to see what they gonna do with this question
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: tomkel on November 01, 2019, 07:58:45 pm
It has to be A, the question's asking how many ways Y can send a message to W by sending it directly to one other person, so it has to be with a two-way matrix, right?

I don't get the other interpretation :'(
It's because they asking for the two step dominance, so Y can't go to another person then go to W. It can only go straight to W, but its not asking for that
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Sherlock.Holmes on November 01, 2019, 09:10:49 pm
I got 33/40
I'm currently rank 1, what's the highest study score I can't get now?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: peds01 on November 01, 2019, 09:21:45 pm
It's because they asking for the two step dominance, so Y can't go to another person then go to W. It can only go straight to W, but its not asking for that

Two step communication is probably what they were looking for knowledge of given it was near the end of the module, but I don't think the wording of the question was particular enough to rule out option B. It's quite annoying cause if I hadn't spent so much time deciding which answer to go with for that question I probably would've had time to read over and correct a silly mistake I made on a different question  :-\

 Who knows what they'll do.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Zappi on November 01, 2019, 09:24:17 pm
Two step communication is probably what they were looking for knowledge of given it was near the end of the module, but I don't think the wording of the question was particular enough to rule out option B. It's quite annoying cause if I hadn't spent so much time deciding which answer to go with for that question I probably would've had time to read over and correct a silly mistake I made on a different question  :-\

 Who knows what they'll do.

I reckon they'll accept multiple answers from what I've read... doesn't seem fair otherwise :'(
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Lear on November 01, 2019, 09:25:05 pm
Ugh I didn’t see the September point for Q15 so I chose 111, if I only lose that mark, but get 100% in exam 2, is 50 still possible? I’m rank 1 in my cohort with 100% sac scores

Typically a 1 mark loss on exam 1 means 50 is unreachable. This is because while both exams are weighted the same, exam 2 has more marks in total so each mark on exam 1 is more valuable than each mark on exam  2. Typically you can lose a mark on exam 2 for a 50, but not exam 1. This may change depending on the difficulty of the exam but this has been the case for the past few years.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: KiNSKi01 on November 01, 2019, 09:40:08 pm
Typically a 1 mark loss on exam 1 means 50 is unreachable. This is because while both exams are weighted the same, exam 2 has more marks in total so each mark on exam 1 is more valuable than each mark on exam  2. Typically you can lose a mark on exam 2 for a 50, but not exam 1. This may change depending on the difficulty of the exam but this has been the case for the past few years.

Also it seems like the consensus is that this years exam was much easier than previous years  :'(.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Lear on November 01, 2019, 09:47:42 pm
Also it seems like the consensus is that this years exam was much easier than previous years  :'(.

Which I am actually quite surprised by. Ever year inevitabaly someone is on here claiming this was the year that they decided to go all out and how this was the hardest exam there has ever been. When really it's a protective bias one has. Regardless, best to move on and focus on up coming exams :)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Pabloscopy on November 01, 2019, 10:05:23 pm
Two step communication is probably what they were looking for knowledge of given it was near the end of the module, but I don't think the wording of the question was particular enough to rule out option B. It's quite annoying cause if I hadn't spent so much time deciding which answer to go with for that question I probably would've had time to read over and correct a silly mistake I made on a different question  :-\

 Who knows what they'll do.

Yeah, almost didnt read that and chose the wrong answer. I have to go against the grain here, but the wording was quite clear in the sense of asking for two step communication. While it did't exactly used those words, the question said "how many ways can Y send a message to W through another person" (dont have the booklet here, but I'm pretty sure it said something along the line of going through another sender).
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: simsgrove on November 01, 2019, 10:16:17 pm
Has anyone got scans of today’s further maths exam please
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: turtlebanana on November 01, 2019, 10:18:40 pm
Got 35/40. Rip.

Also, anyone know how accurate the ''Deakin Study Score Calculator'' is? If i put
Unit 3 SACs: 77%
Unit 4 SACs: 97%
Exam 1: 87% (Round down to 87 just for the sake of it :D)

Getting 70% on Exam 2 predicts a 40 Raw SS.
While getting 90% on Exam 2 predicts 44 Raw SS.
Also have a strong cohort.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: PhoenixxFire on November 01, 2019, 10:51:59 pm
Has anyone got scans of today’s further maths exam please
Unfortunately we can't upload copies of exams to AN because they're copyrighted to VCAA.
Got 35/40. Rip.

Also, anyone know how accurate the ''Deakin Study Score Calculator'' is? If i put
Unit 3 SACs: 77%
Unit 4 SACs: 97%
Exam 1: 87% (Round down to 87 just for the sake of it :D)

Getting 70% on Exam 2 predicts a 40 Raw SS.
While getting 90% on Exam 2 predicts 44 Raw SS.
Also have a strong cohort.
Study score calculators are always inaccurate, the question is how inaccurate they are. Going off last years grade distribution, that prediction seems a little high. You'd probably need something more like 75-80% on exam 2 to get a 40 (assuming no scaling to sac scores because I can't predict that).
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: criminals for diminals on November 01, 2019, 10:56:01 pm
From the answers here, it seems i somehow stumbled across a 40.
But my average SAC score at box hill was only around 93%
I thought I may as well try for the 50 study score but is that even possible?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: PhoenixxFire on November 01, 2019, 11:05:58 pm
From the answers here, it seems i somehow stumbled across a 40.
But my average SAC score at box hill was only around 93%
I thought I may as well try for the 50 study score but is that even possible?
Your sac scores don't matter. If you're not rank 1 it's unlikely (unless other people at your school are getting 100% on the exams). Still may as well try your best for exam 2 though!
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: letsgetthis on November 01, 2019, 11:30:46 pm
I got a 40/40 on the exam and my sac average was 97 with a fairly strong cohort. Im not sure of my rank, if im not rank 1 what are the chances of a 50, and can i get a 59/60 next exam for a 50 or does it have to be a 60.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: turtlebanana on November 01, 2019, 11:44:45 pm
I got a 40/40 on the exam and my sac average was 97 with a fairly strong cohort. Im not sure of my rank, idk  if im rank 1 but if im not  what are the chances of a 50, and can i get a 59/60 next exam for a 50 or does it have to be a 60.

Probably 60, unless your cohort is super strong which may cause your SACs to get boosted to 100%.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: BAH0003 on November 02, 2019, 09:38:50 am
Here are the answers to core, matrices and graphs and relations. I've cross checked them with a bunch of friends, so we think it's 100%, pls let know if any wrong ones in it.

Core:
BBDDCDBBEAABEEDCDCACCECB

Matrices:
CDEEBAAE

Graphs and Relations:
BDEDBCEC

Hi,

For core 11, I got C, and have tested it with the regression equation, assuming the gradient value (b) as what it is being increased by. Can anyone explain why it is A.

Thanks
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: criminals for diminals on November 02, 2019, 09:47:00 am
Hi,

For core 11, I got C, and have tested it with the regression equation, assuming the gradient value (b) as what it is being increased by. Can anyone explain why it is A.

Thanks

New to this so idk how the quote thing works. I used:
b = (r Sy)/(Sx)
b = (-0.770 x 1.12)/(1.56)
b = -0.5528 (A)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: ImamB1 on November 02, 2019, 10:53:00 am
I wanted some help to confirm a few things, I got 37/40 in exam 1, Rank 5 and myself (Rank 4) both got the highest mark of 37. My SAC average is currently standing at 87% and our cohort is doing fairly well in SACS the highest is currently standing at 94%. Rank 1-3 in the exam all got between 33-35, does this mean that Rank 5 and myself are in a good position since we performed better than expected ?, and lets say I wanted to get a 45+ study score what score do I need to aim for even though I want a 60 hopefully ?.
Thanks in advance  ;D
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Lear on November 02, 2019, 12:03:27 pm
I wanted some help to confirm a few things, I got 37/40 in exam 1, Rank 5 and myself (Rank 4) both got the highest mark of 37. My SAC average is currently standing at 87% and our cohort is doing fairly well in SACS the highest is currently standing at 94%. Rank 1-3 in the exam all got between 33-35, does this mean that Rank 5 and myself are in a good position since we performed better than expected ?, and lets say I wanted to get a 45+ study score what score do I need to aim for even though I want a 60 hopefully ?.
Thanks in advance  ;D

Unfortunately, the ranking system will be working against you here. As your top-ranked students have underperformed on the exam, from VCAA's point of view your school assessments were too easy. In turn, your internal SAC scores will be scaled down. The higher ranks actually benefit from your exam score as rank 1's internal score is scaled using the highest external exam score (37/40) as you mentioned. Meanwhile, rank 5 like yourself will have your internal SAC scores scaled using the 5th highest external score (likely downwards). It's quite an abnormality for higher ranks to tank the exam like this.

In any case, your ability to get a 45 is highly dependent on how much your SACs scale by. You'd definitely want to get 100% on exam 2 to have a shot at a 45.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: ImamB1 on November 02, 2019, 12:38:25 pm
Unfortunately, the ranking system will be working against you here. As your top-ranked students have underperformed on the exam, from VCAA's point of view your school assessments were too easy. In turn, your internal SAC scores will be scaled down. The higher ranks actually benefit from your exam score as rank 1's internal score is scaled using the highest external exam score (37/40) as you mentioned. Meanwhile, rank 5 like yourself will have your internal SAC scores scaled using the 5th highest external score (likely downwards). It's quite an abnormality for higher ranks to tank the exam like this.

In any case, your ability to get a 45 is highly dependent on how much your SACs scale by. You'd definitely want to get 100% on exam 2 to have a shot at a 45.
Our cohort isn't very strong honestly since not as many people actually do good in the SACs let's say 10/40 will get above 80 each SAC and actually have an average above 80. In this case what would happen in terms of my score and those above me.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Lear on November 02, 2019, 12:39:45 pm
Our cohort isn't very strong honestly since not as many people actually do good in the SACs let's say 10/40 will get above 80 each SAC and actually have an average above 80. In this case what would happen in terms of my score and those above me.

I suspect there would be a scale-down of SAC scores across the cohort.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Jon Snow on November 02, 2019, 01:18:03 pm
Hey!!
so I just wanna know how screwed I am aha, I got pre bad for exam 1 by looking at the answers that were posted 31/40 :( and I don't have that smart of a cohort, I think the average of the sacs are in the 50-60 range. I have an average of 79 of all my sacs, do I have any hope of getting 35+ ss?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: simsgrove on November 02, 2019, 01:50:15 pm
Has anyone got scans of the Further Exam 1 from yesterday?
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: amydev on November 02, 2019, 03:14:53 pm
Probably a silly question, but someone talk me through question 6 of Matrices  :P
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: RIP AMES on November 02, 2019, 03:26:14 pm
The only info we are given is a transition matrix and that the lads will change their activity every 30 mins from 9-4, hence there will be 16 rotations, given that we are not told anything about the initial state matrix or the lads beginning location, we can make a 3X1 state matrix resembling percentages, where we can put 33.3333 in each of the elements, displaying an even distribution of the lads as they arrive and select their first rides = s1. note we are looking for teh end of the day = s16 We can use the equation sn+1=tXsn, orT to the power of15 X s1, hence givng us the end of day percentages, which gives us 14% for s, hence the answer is a
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: undefined on November 02, 2019, 05:38:22 pm
I'd just like to point out that if you're not rank 1 but full marked the exam, you can still get 50. Say for example you're ranked 3 and the people above you got 23/40 and 33/40. If two people a lower rank than you full marked the exam as well as you, the top 3 people in your cohort will have their SACs scale to 100. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: ImamB1 on November 02, 2019, 07:08:16 pm
Which topics that were not in Exam 1 do you guys think will come up in Exam 2 ?, I know for a fact there will be z-scores and residuals, Revenue (FYI want to know for core, matrices and graphs and relations modules)
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: criminals for diminals on November 02, 2019, 07:29:57 pm
Which topics that were not in Exam 1 do you guys think will come up in Exam 2 ?, I know for a fact there will be z-scores and residuals, Revenue (FYI want to know for core, matrices and graphs and relations modules)

Don't know about graphs and relations but this is what my teacher sent:

STATISTICS
Segmented bar chart/two way table and relationship between two variables
Boxplot (including testing for outliers)
Standard normal (?)
Interpreting r/r2
Correlation and causation
Residuals/residual plot
Time series
De-seasonalisation

RECURSION
Perpetuities
A bit of everything seems to have been covered so more of the same

NETWORKS
Planar graphs/Euler’s rule
Walks
Shortest path (Dijkstra’s)
Maximum flow
Allocations (Hungarian Algorithm)
Crashing

MATRICES
Recurrence which includes a regular increase or decrease (i.e. Sn+1=TSn+B)
Going backwards (e.g. finding S1 given S2 using T-1)
Basic things – inverse, transpose, diagonal, identity
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: Lear on November 02, 2019, 08:13:34 pm
I'd just like to point out that if you're not rank 1 but full marked the exam, you can still get 50. Say for example you're ranked 3 and the people above you got 23/40 and 33/40. If two people a lower rank than you full marked the exam as well as you, the top 3 people in your cohort will have their SACs scale to 100. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

Agreed. I was rank 6 in my cohort and managed it. While it is rare for top people to do bad and lower ranks to smash it, it does happen. In very competitive cohorts top 5-15 ranked students actually have a shot at 50.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: gpeace on November 03, 2019, 11:20:18 am
Hi,

Does anyone understand question 6 of networks???

People are saying there's 3 routes from P to Q but I can only see 2

pls help
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: JollyRancher on November 03, 2019, 11:55:29 am
So pretty much what happened with my further cohort is that all the students at the top end kinda tanked the exam. When I say tanked, I mean they dropped about 4-5 marks. I am rank 1 and got 40/40, but does this affect me in any way. I'm just a little curious.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: PhoenixxFire on November 03, 2019, 11:58:39 am
So pretty much what happened with my further cohort is that all the students at the top end kinda tanked the exam. When I say tanked, I mean they dropped about 4-5 marks. I am rank 1 and got 40/40, but does this affect me in any way. I'm just a little curious.
If you're rank 1 and do the best on both exams then your cohort won't affect you at all.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: gab.r_se on November 03, 2019, 01:25:36 pm
Hi,

Does anyone understand question 6 of networks???

People are saying there's 3 routes from P to Q but I can only see 2

pls help


It's a bit hard to explain without showing it on the graph, but there is a loop at P. This loop gives you two alternative pathways to Q, and then there is that other direct pathway. So in total, 3. If you have the question, look for that loop.

Sorry if my explanation is confusing.
Title: Re: VCE Further Maths Exam 1 - 01/11/19 - Discussion/Questions/Solutions
Post by: gpeace on November 03, 2019, 02:43:04 pm

It's a bit hard to explain without showing it on the graph, but there is a loop at P. This loop gives you two alternative pathways to Q, and then there is that other direct pathway. So in total, 3. If you have the question, look for that loop.

Sorry if my explanation is confusing.

Ahhh now I see it! I can't believe I didn't even think of going around like that, thanks!