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Title: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: Gloamglozer on November 03, 2009, 04:28:34 pm
The exam topics for tomorrow?
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Post by: ngRISING on November 03, 2009, 04:30:26 pm
something on kevin rudd :P or don watson. since don watson published a new book on language i think
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Post by: meepcat on November 03, 2009, 04:36:29 pm
I'll take a guess at what it WONT be!

technology (2008)
how we're judged by our use of language (2008)

2007s speech-making was a weird one, so don't expect that again
offensive language - 2007

2006:
the importance of SAE today
appropriate language use
social changes to language

2005:
public language
Australian English changes to reflect identity

2004:
Inclusion/Exclusion via jargon
texts in context
language as identity

So, my call:

a broad question about language and changing identity - ethnolects haven't appeared in a while
a question about PC language - Kevin Rudd made it too easy this year, especially in the first half of 09
and one curve ball (three questions this year) - a bit out of left field like the speech-making question = maybe stylistic features in written text?
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Post by: Damo17 on November 03, 2009, 04:38:39 pm
Definitely something about Language change/Identity through language. My best area.  ;)
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Post by: lynt.br on November 03, 2009, 04:41:31 pm
They haven't had a topic specifically on standardisation and codification in awhile so that might make an appearance.

They also haven't had one on threats to Australian English or recent influences on Australian English in awhile.

There will probably be one on language reflecting/constructing identity that uses "Fair shake of the sauce bottle" as one of the stimulus prompts.

There may also be one on language to mislead, conceal or obscure given all the examples of Ruddspeak this year.
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Post by: Hooligan on November 03, 2009, 04:46:32 pm
Hopefully, how social discord and social harmony is brought about. My strength. :D
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: Damo17 on November 03, 2009, 04:47:29 pm
There will probably be one on language reflecting/constructing identity that uses "Fair shake of the sauce bottle" as one of the stimulus prompts.

I hope so. Almost everybody would want that in the stimulus material.  
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: ngRISING on November 03, 2009, 04:48:31 pm
lol or vcaa can be dirty dogs as they are and not put it in.
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Post by: Gloamglozer on November 03, 2009, 04:49:56 pm
They haven't had a topic specifically on standardisation and codification in awhile so that might make an appearance.

Can you please explain what you mean by standardisation and codification?
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: Hooligan on November 03, 2009, 04:50:12 pm
I just hope everyone walks out with a topic they were pleased to write with, not want they had to write due to the other 'terrible options'. :P
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Post by: TheJosh on November 03, 2009, 04:52:00 pm
Identity through language???? Would that be like identity shown through ethnolects, or features of certain classes of Australian English??
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: Hooligan on November 03, 2009, 04:52:15 pm
They haven't had a topic specifically on standardisation and codification in awhile so that might make an appearance.

Can you please explain what you mean by standardisation and codification?

Its how our lexis (everyday speech) is carried through into the 'standardised' form, and then accepted, and then put to paper (codification - such as in dictionaries)
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Post by: Gloamglozer on November 03, 2009, 04:53:20 pm
They haven't had a topic specifically on standardisation and codification in awhile so that might make an appearance.

Can you please explain what you mean by standardisation and codification?

Its how our lexis (everyday speech) is carried through into the 'standardised' form, and then accepted, and then put to paper (codification - such as in dictionaries)

Oh yeah.  I get it now.  Thanks.  I've written a similar essay topic on that.  Perhaps I should brainstorm a few more points.
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: Hooligan on November 03, 2009, 04:57:03 pm
They haven't had a topic specifically on standardisation and codification in awhile so that might make an appearance.

Can you please explain what you mean by standardisation and codification?

Its how our lexis (everyday speech) is carried through into the 'standardised' form, and then accepted, and then put to paper (codification - such as in dictionaries)

Oh yeah.  I get it now.  Thanks.  I've written a similar essay topic on that.  Perhaps I should brainstorm a few more points.

Yup. Very much a 'language change' sort of topic. :)
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Post by: Damo17 on November 03, 2009, 05:06:41 pm
Identity through language???? Would that be like identity shown through ethnolects, or features of certain classes of Australian English??

Yeah, you could also add in Teenspeak, etc.
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: TheJosh on November 03, 2009, 05:11:17 pm
Identity through language???? Would that be like identity shown through ethnolects, or features of certain classes of Australian English??

Yeah, you could also add in Teenspeak, etc.

oh ok so any features of language that show someones identity would be your points?
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Post by: lynt.br on November 03, 2009, 05:14:35 pm
Identity through language???? Would that be like identity shown through ethnolects, or features of certain classes of Australian English??

Yeah, you could also add in Teenspeak, etc.

oh ok so any features of language that show someones identity would be your points?

Not just shows.

You should look at how language can reflect identity ie. the subconcious features of our language that affect how we are perceived by others.

You should also look at how language can be used to manufacture a specific image. This ties in to the whole "fair shake of the sauce bottle" thing. It's concerned with conscious language choices that are designed to affect how others see us.
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: Damo17 on November 03, 2009, 05:26:42 pm
Identity through language???? Would that be like identity shown through ethnolects, or features of certain classes of Australian English??

Yeah, you could also add in Teenspeak, etc.

oh ok so any features of language that show someones identity would be your points?


Yeah, that is basically it.

For Identity through language you could talk about Teenspeak with relation to age grading. Age grading means that young people in each successive generation speak like young people and holds the same for middle aged and old people. And this age grading can occur without there being any significant structural change to the language. There are many studies showing that younger people are extremely creative in there language use. The creative use of language, especially the non Standard language is particularly important for social purposes of adolescents when say for instance, creating social connections at school. What young people can do linguistically is extremely important for there identity.

Examples you could use here; double negation, HRT, Teenspeak lexis, etc.

Still on Teenspeak, you could also talk about the effect of the American Culture with it being ubiquitous around the world, especially in Australia. Here you could talk about the change of young Australian's pronunciation, accent and lexical choice due to Americanisms. 

Under the topic of Identity you could also talk about ethnolects and note the changes from L1 to L2 that reflect changing identity.
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: gjr619 on November 03, 2009, 09:35:21 pm
really really hoping(praying) on something on identity/ethnolects/australia
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Post by: kenny17 on November 03, 2009, 10:03:56 pm
im hoping that there are no questions in section 1 and 2, and no essay. :)
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Post by: arthurk on November 03, 2009, 10:13:27 pm
im hoping that there are no questions in section 1 and 2, and no essay. :)
walk in walk out style
i like:P
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: ngRISING on November 03, 2009, 10:17:35 pm
PC, colloquialisms, POA, euphemisms, teenspeak, technology will be a lot of help ^^
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Post by: appianway on November 03, 2009, 10:32:47 pm
I just don't want topics which are completely restricted to talking about the modes.
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Post by: Harbourmastah on November 03, 2009, 11:02:59 pm
I can almost guarantee that there wont be one on standardisation and codification, as was suggest by a very reliable source ^^
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: arthurk on November 03, 2009, 11:03:28 pm
u believe this?
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: ngRISING on November 03, 2009, 11:08:10 pm
scotch student? apparently the chief examiner is from there.
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: arthurk on November 03, 2009, 11:12:23 pm
examiners arent aware of the topics i thought
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: ngRISING on November 03, 2009, 11:28:41 pm
who knows. its chief assessor. probaly knows where they are and takes it out reads it and puts it bk. LOL.
idk. what my friend told me, his a facts based person but idk if its true ^^. just only what i heard.
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Post by: THem on November 03, 2009, 11:30:28 pm
who knows. its chief assessor. probaly knows where they are and takes it out reads it and puts it bk. LOL.
idk. what my friend told me, his a facts based person but idk if its true ^^. just only what i heard.

Chief assessors of any subject can't be teaching their own class?
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: ngRISING on November 03, 2009, 11:37:07 pm
if thats the case then my statements wrong. haha.
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: chinx_4eva on November 04, 2009, 12:41:14 am
well apparently ian hua [OMFG] said that exam's are written like.. approximately a year in advance.
given that thats the case, it implies that there will be NO stimulus material on the most recent stuff (ie: fair shake of the sauce bottle etc..)

THIS IS SAID BY IAN HUA ! [wellington represnt!]
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: Gloamglozer on November 04, 2009, 12:43:01 am
who knows. its chief assessor. probaly knows where they are and takes it out reads it and puts it bk. LOL.
idk. what my friend told me, his a facts based person but idk if its true ^^. just only what i heard.

Chief assessors of any subject can't be teaching their own class?

True.  But private schools tend to pick them up with attractive salaries because quite obviously, they do have many advantages hanging around a school.  :)

EDIT:  But editing the stimuli material for an essay topic shouldn't be too hard...
Title: Re: Anyone Dare To Guess...
Post by: /0 on November 04, 2009, 12:49:53 am
Chief assessor is allowed to teach classes because he does not write the exams. The chief examiner is not allowed to teach classes.