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Title: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: lleonx2 on November 16, 2020, 11:08:41 am
I didn't see any threads for it this year, how did you guys do? I felt that the Core section was tougher/longer than usual, and I couldn't double check.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: bamboozled on November 16, 2020, 11:46:55 am
Yeah, it was longer than previous exams. Anyone know if that one question was interpolation or extrapolation? I’ve gotten both responses from people so I’m kinda freaking out
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: ATAR_SLAYER on November 16, 2020, 11:59:01 am
It was extrapolation... Unfortunately, I put interpolation though  :'(
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: tiredandstressed on November 16, 2020, 12:07:31 pm
my brother who did the exam, said it was extrapolation as well
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: everythangcoZ on November 16, 2020, 12:30:10 pm
It was extrapolating because there was no original data value at 65 :)
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Annon4589 on November 16, 2020, 12:58:06 pm
I know its hard to tell, although, if im ranked about 3 or 4 with a solid top end and got 40/40 and 59/60 on exam 1 and 2, respectfully, would that mean i can get a 48-49, even a 50?

Much appreciated
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: ATAR_SLAYER on November 16, 2020, 01:19:49 pm
I reckon that'd definitely be possible - if your SACs scale to 100% then you've definitely got a shot at a 50!

Just to provide context, with a 39/40 for Exam 1 and 58/60 for Exam 2, I've been told that a ~46-48 is possible, so you should be on track for a ~48+.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Annon4589 on November 16, 2020, 01:32:31 pm
I reckon that'd definitely be possible - if your SACs scale to 100% then you've definitely got a shot at a 50!

Just to provide context, with a 39/40 for Exam 1 and 58/60 for Exam 2, I've been told that a ~46-48 is possible, so you should be on track for a ~48+.

Thanks :D
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: ActivationEnergy on November 16, 2020, 02:41:20 pm
Hi guys,
what did y'all do for the question where they gave two points and asked to use it to find the equation of the line?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: SoggyBiscuit on November 16, 2020, 03:01:16 pm
Hi guys,
what did y'all do for the question where they gave two points and asked to use it to find the equation of the line?

you could get the gradient from the two points.
after that you can substitute one of the given points and solve to find the intercept
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: SoggyBiscuit on November 16, 2020, 03:03:11 pm
Hi guys I don't really know anything about how study scores work for further so I wanted to see if anyone else knew.
I got a 40/40 in exam 1 and I think I will get 58/60 in exam 2. I was in the top 5 of a strong cohort with around 100 people.
Could that get a 48 or 49?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: lleonx2 on November 16, 2020, 03:07:55 pm
It was extrapolating because there was no original data value at 65 :)

i thought i saw the value within the range, so i put interpolation :/
that sucks, i should have read the question properly. idk how i didnt see that
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Jinju-san on November 16, 2020, 03:20:29 pm
Hi guys I don't really know anything about how study scores work for further so I wanted to see if anyone else knew.
I got a 40/40 in exam 1 and I think I will get 58/60 in exam 2. I was in the top 5 of a strong cohort with around 100 people.
Could that get a 48 or 49?
Hey there!
That definitely sounds possible! I guess there is a larger element of uncertainty with the way exams will be marked and scaled, but with your ranking and exam marks, I reckon you’ll definitely be able to get a 48-49, maybe even a 50.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: goldguts on November 16, 2020, 03:21:53 pm
I actually found it easier than the multiple choice despite not really doing much study for either  :P
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Jinju-san on November 16, 2020, 03:22:54 pm
you could get the gradient from the two points.
after that you can substitute one of the given points and solve to find the intercept
Could you have also just used CAS to calculate the slope?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: puripuri on November 16, 2020, 03:31:33 pm
For the last financial question, is it 150 or 99 months? I'm seeing split answers everywhere.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Sine on November 16, 2020, 03:33:13 pm
Hi guys I don't really know anything about how study scores work for further so I wanted to see if anyone else knew.
I got a 40/40 in exam 1 and I think I will get 58/60 in exam 2. I was in the top 5 of a strong cohort with around 100 people.
Could that get a 48 or 49?
Definitely in the range of a 48-49 if you get those scores and your cohort does reasonably well
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: lleonx2 on November 16, 2020, 03:58:27 pm
For the last financial question, is it 150 or 99 months? I'm seeing split answers everywhere.
I got 150, but don’t trust me on that one. after all I messed up the extrapolation question 🥴
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: alexthenerd on November 16, 2020, 04:08:20 pm
wait, where are y'all getting the answers to this exam. does anyone have a copy that a teacher has done?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: lleonx2 on November 16, 2020, 04:21:45 pm
wait, where are y'all getting the answers to this exam. does anyone have a copy that a teacher has done?
we're comparing our answers from memory -u-
there was someone who posted teacher answers for exam 1. maybe they'll post them again soon, i need to know how my results are :/
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: ActivationEnergy on November 16, 2020, 04:23:29 pm
we're comparing our answers from memory -u-
there was someone who posted teacher answers for exam 1. maybe they'll post them again soon, i need to know how my results are :/
Check the FB vce discussion space. Someone posted the suggested solutions.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: zhouzhennan on November 16, 2020, 04:36:26 pm
Could you have also just used CAS to calculate the slope?

Can someone confirm this? Could we just use the a and b value from CAS reg function?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: lleonx2 on November 16, 2020, 04:39:53 pm
Check the FB vce discussion space. Someone posted the suggested solutions.
thanks heaps. looks like i lost another mark forgetting to convert the 0.3% from the 3 standard deviations question, and i wrote (age)^2 instead of (mean age)^2 in the regression equation. today def isn't my day, do you think i could lose marks for the regression mistake?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: ActivationEnergy on November 16, 2020, 04:53:19 pm
Can someone confirm this? Could we just use the a and b value from CAS reg function?
I don't think so. The question specifically said to "use the two points" which were given, thus you had to calculate the slope based off those two points.

thanks heaps. looks like i lost another mark forgetting to convert the 0.3% from the 3 standard deviations question, and i wrote (age)^2 instead of (mean age)^2 in the regression equation. today def isn't my day, do you think i could lose marks for the regression mistake?
Hmm.. yes I think you will lose a mark for that as it specifically said the MEAN age, not just the age. In the same boat as you, lost a mark on the extrapolation question as well as the standard deviation question.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: lleonx2 on November 16, 2020, 05:02:41 pm
Hmm.. yes I think you will lose a mark for that as it specifically said the MEAN age, not just the age. In the same boat as you, lost a mark on the extrapolation question as well as the standard deviation question.
bro we were rushed for time, this fkn sucks. at least we did our best though :/
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: everythangcoZ on November 16, 2020, 05:05:50 pm
For the last financial question, is it 150 or 99 months? I'm seeing split answers everywhere.
I got 150, checked my answer like a million times so hopefully its correct :)
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: everythangcoZ on November 16, 2020, 05:07:02 pm
Hi guys,
what did y'all do for the question where they gave two points and asked to use it to find the equation of the line?

ahh which question was this, was this the one where you had to write the equation of the line in the boxes to like 3 sig figs or something, i cant remember the question now im scared lol
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Isaac S on November 16, 2020, 05:09:40 pm
Hey guys, I was just wondering
I've averaged about 96% and I think I'm ranked third in my cohort, but for safe measure, I'll just say 5th or something out of about 70 students. If I got 40/40 for exam 1 and 57/60 for exam 2, what study score could I be looking at? I was really hoping for a 44.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Sine on November 16, 2020, 05:20:41 pm
Hey guys, I was just wondering
I've averaged about 96% and I think I'm ranked third in my cohort, but for safe measure, I'll just say 5th or something out of about 70 students. If I got 40/40 for exam 1 and 57/60 for exam 2, what study score could I be looking at? I was really hoping for a 44.
I would be thinking something like 47-48 (so highly likely to be above 45 assuming your sacs stay around the same score).
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Isaac S on November 16, 2020, 05:25:14 pm
I would be thinking something like 47-48 (so highly likely to be above 45 assuming your sacs stay around the same score).
Really? I thought I'd be looking around a 43-44
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Sine on November 16, 2020, 05:30:25 pm
Really? I thought I'd be looking around a 43-44
Well, the possible range is quite wide depending on how your sacs scale. You are probably maxing out at 48 and then depending on how your cohort went on the exam you can either maintain that or your study scale may be dragged down to the low-mid 40 range.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: lleonx2 on November 16, 2020, 05:38:45 pm
Well, the possible range is quite wide depending on how your sacs scale. You are probably maxing out at 48 and then depending on how your cohort went on the exam you can either maintain that or your study scale may be dragged down to the low-mid 40 range.

can u help me out sine
i think i'm top rank in a low cohort, and my sac average is somewhere about 99%. from the predicted answers, i think i got full marks on exam 1, but i've dropped at least 3 on exam 2 this morning. what kind of study score do you think i can expect?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: grapeleaves on November 16, 2020, 07:52:45 pm
Hi Guys,

I'm just wondering if a 50 is completely out of the question with rank 1, a 38/40 on Exam1 and a 60/60 on Exam 2? I assume it is but I just wanted to check. I also was wondering if there has ever been times when losing two marks gets you a 50?

Also, with this information what study score do you think would be expected?

Thank you!
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Sine on November 16, 2020, 07:59:56 pm
Hi Guys,

I'm just wondering if a 50 is completely out of the question with rank 1, a 38/40 on Exam1 and a 60/60 on Exam 2? I assume it is but I just wanted to check. I also was wondering if there has ever been times when losing two marks gets you a 50?

Also, with this information what study score do you think would be expected?

Thank you!

Based on the data from previous exams and what was required for a 50 in those exams the max you can drop is 1 mark for a 50. I have never seen anyone drop 2 for a 50. Your problem is also coupled with the fact that marks on exam 1 are worth more than on exam 2.

Having said that,  study scores are calculated dependent on the exam of that year and how the state goes on it so whilst it is extremely likely dropping 2 marks will yield a study score less than 50 the probability is not 0.

Assuming your sacs are consistent with your exam scores I think you would be able to get a 48-49 study score.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: nights on November 16, 2020, 08:14:29 pm
feel kinda awful about this exam, i dropped five marks that i know of, 4 of them were really stupid mistakes (ended the line of my box plot at the wrong point, positive correlation coefficient instead of negative, used a y^2 transformation instead of x^2).. i think i dropped less marks in exam 1 but i haven't checked, my sac marks this year weren't great either (my cohort is strong-ish?) so i'm not expecting a great study score
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: ActivationEnergy on November 16, 2020, 08:18:18 pm
feel kinda awful about this exam, i dropped five marks that i know of, 4 of them were really stupid mistakes (ended the line of my box plot at the wrong point, positive correlation coefficient instead of negative, used a y^2 transformation instead of x^2).. i think i dropped less marks in exam 1 but i haven't checked, my sac marks this year weren't great either (my cohort is strong-ish?) so i'm not expecting a great study score
a y^2 transformation would've been fine as well!
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: nights on November 16, 2020, 08:27:33 pm
a y^2 transformation would've been fine as well!
wait really? a friend told me the question said to apply the transformation to x but i couldve sworn it said you could use any transformation so i chose y^2
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: ActivationEnergy on November 16, 2020, 08:41:47 pm
wait really? a friend told me the question said to apply the transformation to x but i couldve sworn it said you could use any transformation so i chose y^2.. cool i'll make that 4 marks dropped (that i know of) !
Omg, I actually didn't even realise it said to apply to it the x variable 'mean age' (Just looked at the pdf version of the exam). Sorry, so a y^2 transformation is actually incorrect, my bad!
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: nights on November 16, 2020, 08:47:17 pm
Omg, I actually didn't even realise it said to apply to it the x variable 'mean age' (Just looked at the pdf version of the exam). Sorry, so a y^2 transformation is actually incorrect, my bad!
it's okay!
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Highway_end on November 16, 2020, 08:56:01 pm
For networks, which 4 activities had a float time?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: emily02 on November 16, 2020, 09:24:39 pm
Could someone pm me a copy of today's exam with the solutions please? I don't have vceds
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: puripuri on November 16, 2020, 09:28:09 pm
Could someone pm me a copy of today's exam with the solutions please? I don't have vceds

Found this on Facebook VCE discussion page so don't know about the accuracy of this.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: emily02 on November 16, 2020, 09:35:31 pm
Found this on Facebook VCE discussion page so don't know about the accuracy of this.

Thank you !!
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: markmorstentine on November 16, 2020, 10:04:51 pm
What score am I looking at?
Rank 1 in a strong cohort so sac probs scaled to 100%

38/40 exam 1
60/60 exam 2

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: chickeniscoolmatee on November 16, 2020, 10:10:22 pm
Hello, I did horrible in both exams due to nerves and was wondering what study score I can achieve.

SAC rank, I only know i'm at an A+ for my rank.

Exam 1: 37/40

Exam 2: 55-56/60

Is there any possible chance that I can even get a 40.
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: blueycan on November 16, 2020, 10:50:04 pm
Hello, I did horrible in both exams due to nerves and was wondering what study score I can achieve.

SAC rank, I only know i'm at an A+ for my rank.

Exam 1: 37/40

Exam 2: 55-56/60

Is there any possible chance that I can even get a 40.


Hello, I did horrible in both exams due to nerves and was wondering what study score I can achieve.

SAC rank, I only know i'm at an A+ for my rank.

Exam 1: 37/40

Exam 2: 55-56/60

Is there any possible chance that I can even get a 40.

Try this thread as well for score predictions (:
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: emily02 on November 17, 2020, 09:38:52 am
For the last question in the data section where you had to apply an x^2 transformation, if I just wrote 'x^2 transformation' but didn't write the equation (ran out of time) would I get 1 out of the 2 marks available?

Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: Arvsam18 on November 17, 2020, 10:20:54 am
Hey there,
I'm rank 3 in a strong cohort with a sac average of 97%
I got 40/40 in exam 1 but absolutely messed up exam 2 and got 55-56/60,
Do I still have a chance at getting a 47-48?
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: nights on November 18, 2020, 08:16:57 am
For the last question in the data section where you had to apply an x^2 transformation, if I just wrote 'x^2 transformation' but didn't write the equation (ran out of time) would I get 1 out of the 2 marks available?
i think one mark is awarded for getting the right numbers (i.e rounding correctly) and the other goes for any semblance of the transformed equation but i'm not too sure.. i wrote a y^2 equation and i'm not sure if i dropped one mark or both marks too
Title: Re: Further Maths Exam 2 2020
Post by: nights on November 18, 2020, 08:21:09 am
Hey there,
I'm rank 3 in a strong cohort with a sac average of 97%
I got 40/40 in exam 1 but absolutely messed up exam 2 and got 55-56/60,
Do I still have a chance at getting a 47-48?
100% in exam 1 and rank 3 puts you at a huge advantage! 45+ is definitely possible, but less so 48+ but only by a few marks assuming you dropped five marks in exam 2 (though anything could be possible, it's actually quite hard to tell but i wouldn't worry too much!)