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Title: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Hello132 on November 18, 2020, 05:35:34 pm
What was that??
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 18, 2020, 05:38:33 pm
Was anyone actually able to finish it? .o.
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Isaac S on November 18, 2020, 05:44:11 pm
What was the total area you guys got for the part of the river that was a no swim zone?
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 18, 2020, 05:45:50 pm
What was the total area you guys got for the part of the river that was a no swim zone?

837 m2 ?
I did it in a rush so not too sure lol
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Isaac S on November 18, 2020, 05:47:48 pm
I got 400 something, maybe 426, not entirely sure
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: 99.95_goal on November 18, 2020, 05:51:00 pm
837 m2 ?
I did it in a rush so not too sure lol
Yea I got something like that
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: 99.95_goal on November 18, 2020, 05:51:28 pm
MC tho - tripped so bad had to guess like 1/4 of them lol
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 18, 2020, 05:53:17 pm
MC tho - tripped so bad had to guess like 1/4 of them lol

SAME

Q19 made absolutely no sense TvT
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: BiggestVCESweat on November 18, 2020, 05:54:06 pm
837 m2 ?
I did it in a rush so not too sure lol
That is what I got as well.

In regards to the exam, this exam was definitely a lot more straightforward than the previous one--didn't expect there to be such a discrepancy between the difficulty of the first and second exam.
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 18, 2020, 05:59:02 pm
That is what I got as well.

In regards to the exam, this exam was definitely a lot more straightforward than the previous one--didn't expect there to be such a discrepancy between the difficulty of the first and second exam.

Really? I felt the 2019 E2 was way easier  :(
This year’s one had so many words and it was hard to understand the questions
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: 99.95_goal on November 18, 2020, 05:59:34 pm
That is what I got as well.

In regards to the exam, this exam was definitely a lot more straightforward than the previous one--didn't expect there to be such a discrepancy between the difficulty of the first and second exam.
It was really long tho - it's kind of like the first exam in the way that there were many questions all of medium highish difficulty so timing was really pressed
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: BiggestVCESweat on November 18, 2020, 06:11:21 pm
Really? I felt the 2019 E2 was way easier  :(
This year’s one had so many words and it was hard to understand the questions
It was really long tho - it's kind of like the first exam in the way that there were many questions all of medium highish difficulty so timing was really pressed
I agree that this was harder than the 2019 exam and a few others, but I found that it was much easier than the 2020 exam 1. An exam like this was within my expectations, but the exam 1 was not.
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: tripod.77 on November 18, 2020, 06:11:23 pm
I reckon the MC's were ridiculously hard. I mean they needed TIME esp the ones towards the end.
First 2 questions for ER were good, except that one question where they asked for the value of k.

That one probability question which asked for highest and lowest possible values of y... what did ppl get for that??

Question 4 was not too bad except my n value didn't fall in the domain of 0<n<3 :(

oh yeah, last two parts to question 5, had no idea what was going on... But they were only worth 2 marks in total so...
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: tripod.77 on November 18, 2020, 06:13:33 pm
837 m2 ?
I did it in a rush so not too sure lol

yeah that's what I got as well.
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: 99.95_goal on November 18, 2020, 06:17:17 pm
I agree that this was harder than the 2019 exam and a few others, but I found that it was much easier than the 2020 exam 1. An exam like this was within my expectations, but the exam 1 was not.
Yea - I agree with you on that, I walked out of exam 1 feeling so bad - the algebra was terrible and I made so many dumb mistakes  but exam 2 was pretty expected and CAS was used so
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 18, 2020, 06:17:45 pm
I reckon the MC's were ridiculously hard. I mean they needed TIME esp the ones towards the end.
First 2 questions for ER were good, except that one question where they asked for the value of k.

That one probability question which asked for highest and lowest possible values of y... what did ppl get for that??

Question 4 was not too bad except my n value didn't fall in the domain of 0<n<3 :(

oh yeah, last two parts to question 5, had no idea what was going on... But they were only worth 2 marks in total so...

I got y is subset of [2/11,2/3]  (idk rly)  :P
That Q was so messed up ugh
What does overall probability even mean lol
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: 99.95_goal on November 18, 2020, 06:21:20 pm
I got y is subset of [2/11,2/3]  (idk rly)  :P
That Q was so messed up ugh
What does overall probability even mean lol
Yay I got those values  too - didn't write it as a subset tho lol
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: 99.95_goal on November 18, 2020, 06:22:38 pm
What did  u guys got for the mean in the probability question? ( when they changed the mean so like 46% or something fell within -4.5 and 0.5)
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: BiggestVCESweat on November 18, 2020, 06:27:18 pm
What did  u guys got for the mean in the probability question? ( when they changed the mean so like 46% or something fell within -4.5 and 0.5)
-1.5 and -2.5
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Chessnutter on November 18, 2020, 06:32:13 pm
-1.5 and -2.5

I got this as well, but I have no idea if is correct - thought that was the intuitive answer but idk how to show working for it
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 18, 2020, 06:34:51 pm
I got this as well, but I have no idea if is correct - thought that was the intuitive answer but idk how to show working for it

Same
It was 100% CAS working lol
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 18, 2020, 06:35:59 pm
Yay I got those values  too - didn't write it as a subset tho lol

Looks like I didn’t read the question oops
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: BiggestVCESweat on November 18, 2020, 06:36:32 pm
Same
It was 100% CAS working lol
Really? That was one of the few questions that wasn't CAS working for me--as it's basically just translating the original distribution left.
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Chessnutter on November 18, 2020, 06:41:59 pm
Really? That was one of the few questions that wasn't CAS working for me--as it's basically just translating the original distribution left.

I said that because of symmetry, if it was k was an element of [-2.5, -1.5] the probability the thingo would be between -4.5 and 0.5 would be more than 0.48 (or whatever that probability was)
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: The Cat In The Hat on November 18, 2020, 06:48:01 pm
-1.5 and -2.5
I only got -1.5.  :-\
That one probability question which asked for highest and lowest possible values of y... what did ppl get for that??
I got 1/3 and 3/11... did it in a hurry though so I don't know if I was right. Basically I looked at what the mean should be and what it was for the different parts, if y=0.3 or 0.7, got the answers from there.

Overall, as an exam, I thought it was pretty good. I ran out of time, which was sad (had to guess around five or seven questions :-\) but I did enjoy doing it. It was fun. Although I don't think I'll do very well, obviously. (I'm anticipating ~50% for each exam.)
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: MoonChild1234 on November 18, 2020, 08:33:05 pm
did you guys get like (0.80, 2.something) for the intersection between the two lines with the p is perpendicular question?
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: benauer03 on November 18, 2020, 08:37:06 pm
did you guys get like (0.80, 2.something) for the intersection between the two lines with the p is perpendicular question?

Yep, (0.80,2.39).
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: MoonChild1234 on November 18, 2020, 08:38:49 pm
and did you get something weird like -2.61 to -1.41 and 1.41 to 2.61 for the x values for which the height was <2?

Also for the k values where the height was <20, did you get 1<=k<7/6?

and n=19 for the binomail question?
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Xu ZhongYu on November 18, 2020, 08:52:20 pm
and did you get something weird like -2.61 to -1.41 and 1.41 to 2.61 for the x values for which the height was <2?

Also for the k values where the height was <20, did you get 1<=k<7/6?

and n=19 for the binomail question?
yes, same answers.
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: MoonChild1234 on November 18, 2020, 08:54:03 pm
yes, same answers.

THANK YOU !!!!!! i feel so relieved
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: 99.95_goal on November 18, 2020, 08:55:12 pm
What do you guys reckon the grade cut offs will be for this year?
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Xu ZhongYu on November 18, 2020, 09:02:00 pm
This exam is harder than last few years... :P
Some questions are wired(hard to understand the meanings). There is also a timing problem. Although the questions in the exam are not very hard, it is easy to make silly mistakes under the stressful timing condition(not enough time to check answers.... :-\
what's done is done. we should move to spesh tomorrow :)
Eat well tomorrow, drink plenty of water, and try and rest up.


Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: The Cat In The Hat on November 18, 2020, 09:07:41 pm
Yep, (0.80,2.39).
As did I.

we should move to spesh tomorrow :)
What, shift to the subject merely for the joy of another maths exam? ;)
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Isaac S on November 18, 2020, 09:19:00 pm
Honestly, considering how bad the exams were this year, what do you think the averages for both will be?
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: 99.95_goal on November 18, 2020, 09:40:17 pm
Honestly, considering how bad the exams were this year, what do you think the averages for both will be?
Last year the E1 was like 33.5 and E2 was 67 for an A+
This year is definitely lower so maybe we're looking at 31 and 65
btw - is an A+ a 40? I know people who only got A's and average SACs and got like 40+ so I'm not too sure what an A+ means anymore
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Jhhg on November 18, 2020, 11:00:55 pm
Just wondering guys but what study score do you think a 83% in exam 1 and a 63% in exam 2 give?
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Isaac S on November 18, 2020, 11:03:31 pm
Last year the E1 was like 33.5 and E2 was 67 for an A+
This year is definitely lower so maybe we're looking at 31 and 65
btw - is an A+ a 40? I know people who only got A's and average SACs and got like 40+ so I'm not too sure what an A+ means anymore
Nah what was the average mark, like I don't think I'll even hit 25 ss
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Sine on November 18, 2020, 11:06:03 pm
Last year the E1 was like 33.5 and E2 was 67 for an A+
This year is definitely lower so maybe we're looking at 31 and 65
btw - is an A+ a 40? I know people who only got A's and average SACs and got like 40+ so I'm not too sure what an A+ means anymore
A+ has a rough correlation to a 40+ study score. However, it is very possible to only A+ 1 exam and get a 40+. It is also possible to get two A's on the exam (they would need to be "high" A's) along with A+ sacs to get a 40+.

I don't think two A's with C+ sacs would get a 40.

Just wondering guys but what study score do you think a 83% in exam 1 and a 63% in exam 2 give?
Thinking maybe low-mid 30s but could definitely be pushed up/down depending on sacs.
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: vce2020 on November 18, 2020, 11:28:18 pm
Just wondering guys but what study score do you think a 83% in exam 1 and a 63% in exam 2 give?
Thinking maybe low-mid 30s but could definitely be pushed up/down depending on sacs.

Out of curiosity Sine, what do you think basically 80% on both exams would get, with what I think was a fairly high SAC ranking (A+ hopefully)? (Yes I stuffed up the exams lol.)
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: t101 on November 19, 2020, 09:00:27 am
Hi everyone, solutions to exam 1 & 2 attached

if you think there is an error, log it here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1obtfeRDsR24BwZWFKqc_kb5o9WnoqsvD4jZPfAiVGBs/edit#gid=0

Edited to remove exams since VCAA has the copyright and doesn't allow people to share them before they've released them online - Bri
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: MoonChild1234 on November 19, 2020, 09:42:21 am
I might be wrong but for 1f) shouldnt it be -1.41 not -1.08
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Bri MT on November 19, 2020, 09:46:48 am
Hi everyone, solutions to exam 1 & 2 attached

if you think there is an error, log it here
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1obtfeRDsR24BwZWFKqc_kb5o9WnoqsvD4jZPfAiVGBs/edit#gid=0

Hey,

I absolutely love your spirit in sharing the exam solutions but unfortunately VCAA exams are copyrighted and we can't let people share them on the forums :( If you can can share solutions in a way that doesn't show the actual exam book we can leave that up but since these are annotated on the exam booklet itself I have to take it down. Sorry :/
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Rube on November 19, 2020, 10:43:37 am
What happens if calculator was in degree mode for a lot of the exam
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: The Cat In The Hat on November 19, 2020, 11:59:51 am
There was a question where I used - I think it was the probability one? - the || thing, where I think it was Pr(|X=y|)>2 or something like that. Would that be marked down or anything, if I got the right answer? i.e. was it a valid way of doing a question?
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 19, 2020, 12:05:40 pm
What happens if calculator was in degree mode for a lot of the exam

I think it would only mess up the river question
And that “find the angle” one
Otherwise not a bit deal really
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: AAGlue on November 19, 2020, 09:54:23 pm
i had good sac marks all year (top 10%) but really flunked both exams (23/40, 59/80) and i'm feeling really down. is there any way i can still get over 40?

The exams were hard so there is still hope, since lots of people are in the same boat
Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: Orb on November 20, 2020, 10:20:34 am
i had good sac marks all year (top 10%) but really flunked both exams (23/40, 59/80) and i'm feeling really down. is there any way i can still get over 40?

Hate to be a debbie downer but in the spirit of being honest..

Even if you were Rank 1 at Macrob/MHS, with 23/40 E1 and 59/80 E2 even in the most difficult exam year in the last 15 years you would not get a 40 raw score.

This is likely a 35-37, maybe 38 or 39 in the most optimistic outcome.

To add onto this though, you've likely gained so much more from your experience that's not study score related (e.g. better studying habits, better mentality to coping with stress, etc) so focus on those instead! :)

Title: Re: METHODS EXAM 2
Post by: vce2020 on November 20, 2020, 10:28:50 am
This is likely a 35-37, maybe 38 or 39 in the most optimistic outcome.

Any chance you can predict my study score Orb? I got minimum ~80% on both exams (possibly a few % points more if they're generous), and in terms of SACs my average this year was 92% so I think I would've been highly ranked at my school - which normally does pretty well in Methods (though I don't know how high; probably top 10 if I'm optimistic). I definitely did a lot better in the SACs than in the exams anyway lol.

Edit: Or anyone lol