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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: kenhung123 on November 08, 2009, 05:40:32 pm
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If you repeat year 12 can't you get a lot better ENTER as its like revision?
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Why would you want to repeat Year 12 if you've been getting decent results. Unless you've failed all your subjects, why would you bother? Psychologically you'd be over it, and you wouldn't put in the same effort as last time!
And buddy, trust me, an ENTER score is NOT the end of the world! No matter what ENTER you get, you'll only get far in life if you apply yourself and give it your all. Once you're in uni, no one will care about your ENTER - even if you do get a 99.95!
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sometime ago, somebody said something like..
because your doing yr 12 again, vcaa will take some marks off something or another
(LOL not very accurate i know :P)
your ENTER is only valid for 1 yr anyway
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sometime ago, somebody said something like..
because your doing yr 12 again, vcaa will take some marks off something or another
(LOL not very accurate i know :P)
your ENTER is only valid for 1 yr anyway
Well a few years ago, they used to penalise you if you repeated a subject. But that penalty has been scrapped and you're free to repeat year 12 and all your subjects without penalty.
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Seriously ENTER=1year only? Can't it be used for future?
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ENTER is valid for 3 years from what i know.. not 1
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oh really? i see..
so if you ended up getting a worse ENTER on the second yr you do 12.........
you cant go back and have your old one back? lol
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yeah so if i got 99.95 5 years ago i can't apply for medicine? considering i failed my uni course
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It's easier to transfer from a uni course to another than to repeat year 12 and try get the required enter.
And who really wants to go through this shit again -_-? I think TER lasts for 3 years (I mean i've heard of people
deferring for a year and then re-applying for the course in hopes that the requirements are lower the next year?)
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I thought your ENTER was valid so long as your were considered a 'school leaver'.
Ie. not applying through mature-age entry. Which would give you 2-3 years.
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It's easier to transfer from a uni course to another than to repeat year 12 and try get the required enter.
Well it does depend on your GPA but if you're really dedicated and learnt from your lesson in year 12, then yeah, it can be easier (besides the fact that you would have wasted a year if you didn't do a course related to your "dream course").
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it's not such a bad idea to repeat year 12. it can be a sort of gap year, doing only 2-3 subjects at CAE or TAFE (once a week classes) and perhaps working on the side, doesn't seem to bad if you want to increase your ENTER. but i'd only ever suggest to consider this if there is no course you can get in to that you would be happy with.. or do one you might like and transfer after a semester if unhappy:P
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oh really? i see..
so if you ended up getting a worse ENTER on the second yr you do 12.........
you cant go back and have your old one back? lol
you'll never get a worse ENTER because you still keep all those subject scores you have...
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plus some people get accelerated into a higher year level so that they can chose to do their vce in 3 years rather than 2. i had that option and i was about to do health, business and further maths next year as i was expected to finish in 2010, however i think i will get a good enough ENTER to get into my desired course. BUT the whole point of extending year 12 is so that you may add more subjects to your tally and hope your ENTER increases.
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oh really? i see..
so if you ended up getting a worse ENTER on the second yr you do 12.........
you cant go back and have your old one back? lol
you'll never get a worse ENTER because you still keep all those subject scores you have...
Actually, if she repeats the same subjects and she does worse, she will get a lower ENTER
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plus some people get accelerated into a higher year level so that they can chose to do their vce in 3 years rather than 2. i had that option and i was about to do health, business and further maths next year as i was expected to finish in 2010, however i think i will get a good enough ENTER to get into my desired course. BUT the whole point of extending year 12 is so that you may add more subjects to your tally and hope your ENTER increases.
Wait, BHS?
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plus some people get accelerated into a higher year level so that they can chose to do their vce in 3 years rather than 2. i had that option and i was about to do health, business and further maths next year as i was expected to finish in 2010, however i think i will get a good enough ENTER to get into my desired course. BUT the whole point of extending year 12 is so that you may add more subjects to your tally and hope your ENTER increases.
Wait, BHS?
what's BHS?
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Why would anyone repeat year 12 voluntarily?
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Why would anyone repeat year 12 voluntarily?
to get a better ENTER
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plus some people get accelerated into a higher year level so that they can chose to do their vce in 3 years rather than 2. i had that option and i was about to do health, business and further maths next year as i was expected to finish in 2010, however i think i will get a good enough ENTER to get into my desired course. BUT the whole point of extending year 12 is so that you may add more subjects to your tally and hope your ENTER increases.
nvm, guess other schools do it too then. :)
Wait, BHS?
what's BHS?
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Year 12 will be (kinda) a breeze since you already know everything its just like revising once in a while? As someone suggested is it better to do a semester course get high marks and switch?
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plus some people get accelerated into a higher year level so that they can chose to do their vce in 3 years rather than 2. i had that option and i was about to do health, business and further maths next year as i was expected to finish in 2010, however i think i will get a good enough ENTER to get into my desired course. BUT the whole point of extending year 12 is so that you may add more subjects to your tally and hope your ENTER increases.
nvm, guess other schools do it too then. :)
Wait, BHS?
what's BHS?
I assume you meant Balwyn (I was in their accelerated class before MHS actually), but I know that University High and Box Hill also offer this. It's got its benefits, but the extra 3/4s which you do in year 10 rarely ever end up contributing at all to your aggregate at the end given that most people just can't take school seriously enough, or are just academically incapable of performing at a very high standard already in year 10. However, every year, there's a couple of people who end up with a 99 point something by the end of year 11, and either leave and go to uni or increase their ENTER the following year.
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oh really? i see..
so if you ended up getting a worse ENTER on the second yr you do 12.........
you cant go back and have your old one back? lol
you'll never get a worse ENTER because you still keep all those subject scores you have...
You can end up getting a worse ENTER by repeating subject/s.
Whilst VTAC will use the ENTER Subject Score (scaled score) that gives you the highest aggregate, this will not always translate to the highest ENTER.
Aaron thought he would improve his ENTER by repeating three of his studies. In one case his study score remained the same, in one case it improved whilst in the third case it decreased. In all three cases his ENTER subject score decreased, so that his initial results contributed to his aggregate and 2003 ENTER rather than his repeated results.
It is worth note that Aaron’s 2002 scaled aggregate was 118.8 which yielded a 2002 ENTER of 59.55. Therefore Aaron’s 2003 ENTER was less than his 2002 ENTER.
cf a 2003 ENTER of 59.35
http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/publications/enterbook.pdf (page 22)
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plus some people get accelerated into a higher year level so that they can chose to do their vce in 3 years rather than 2. i had that option and i was about to do health, business and further maths next year as i was expected to finish in 2010, however i think i will get a good enough ENTER to get into my desired course. BUT the whole point of extending year 12 is so that you may add more subjects to your tally and hope your ENTER increases.
nvm, guess other schools do it too then. :)
Wait, BHS?
what's BHS?
I assume you meant Balwyn (I was in their accelerated class before MHS actually), but I know that University High and Box Hill also offer this. It's got its benefits, but the extra 3/4s which you do in year 10 rarely ever end up contributing at all to your aggregate at the end given that most people just can't take school seriously enough, or are just academically incapable of performing at a very high standard already in year 10. However, every year, there's a couple of people who end up with a 99 point something by the end of year 11, and either leave and go to uni or increase their ENTER the following year.
nah mine was weird. I was accelerated just 1 month into year 9 to year 10 with no warning at all. I was given no special treatment or nothing just had to buy new books and went to new classes.
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Why would anyone repeat year 12 voluntarily?
Agreed!
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True. I'm personally trying harder than usual to avoid getting hit by a car. There's no way I am re-doing this year. Although I might be tempted if English is removed from primary four... =P
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oh really? i see..
so if you ended up getting a worse ENTER on the second yr you do 12.........
you cant go back and have your old one back? lol
you'll never get a worse ENTER because you still keep all those subject scores you have...
Actually, if she repeats the same subjects and she does worse, she will get a lower ENTER
lol guys- i have no intention whatsoever that i would want to repeat yr 12. :uglystupid2:
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What if you just repeat one subject? Would they fix your ENTER accordingly? I screwed probably my most important subject and my ENTER with it.
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What if you just repeat one subject? Would they fix your ENTER accordingly? I screwed probably my most important subject and my ENTER with it.
what sub
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Viscom. Although the Exam is tomorrow, my SAC average + Folio's wont get me to where I want. I'd be down for re-doing Viscom and even adding on a new subject if my ENTER would be counted at the end of next year. I also have a fairly weighted SEAS app, but its pretty useless for the courses that require a folio presentation.
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i thought they dont solely look at your folio- cant you bring in a journal of works/ sketch books etc ?
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You can, but I don't have that many, I didn't/don't really keep much of what I do. But the main problem is still around my ENTER. I need a high study for Viscom, which is extremely unlikely considering my Folio marks. I caved under anxiety this whole entire year. If I did just one or two subjects next year I should be fine, and easily make up for the ones that were lost. But would it change my ENTER, and could I still apply at the end of next year as a student leaving high school.
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oh noes...
see my problem is the folio of works to bring into the interview......
i dont know if i have enough.. it requires 12-15 works.. but i have about 12max probs.
would you or anyone else here know how much a journal thingo would count as? 1 work?
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Where are you applying, do you have the generation and development behind those works or just the finals. Also if anyone could answer my question I'd be grateful :).
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yeah its development stages in the folio- with 6 'mini' final works
roughly like 5-6 folio pages with each mini work and detailed annotations.
then i have like another folio with 2-3 pages of "refinement" and 3 finals.
and 1 journal thingo of about 20 or so pages (A4)
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I think you should be fine then, that's a fair bit to show.
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what are you guys applying for?
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I'm going for Industrial Design.
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but i'm applying for Art- specifically painting (i was told to tick a box ^_^)
and not all my works are paintings... some are pastels and stuff.. so do you think they'd still want to see it?
transgression:
applying for Art @ Monash
its not a first preference; but something that i can get into if my ENTER isnt high enough for my other courses
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Yes, put those in as well. Shows variety; something other than just painting
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but the course specifies painting lol
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what about someone who completes year 12, then does 2-3 extra subjects the following year at CAE (once a week classes)
(two different ones, so it's like extending year 12 over 2 years)
is this a ridiculous?
what if this person wanted to get 99+ and the only way to do this is this way?
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what about someone who completes year 12, then does 2-3 extra subjects the following year at CAE (once a week classes)
(two different ones, so it's like extending year 12 over 2 years)
is this a ridiculous?
what if this person wanted to get 99+ and the only way to do this is this way?
Are you talking about a split year vce?
Back on topic: Why would you wanna go through year 12 again? I just want to go through it quickly, it will be the worst year of my life no doubt. Just transfer after first year uni, if you can't get into your course.
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what about someone who completes year 12, then does 2-3 extra subjects the following year at CAE (once a week classes)
(two different ones, so it's like extending year 12 over 2 years)
is this a ridiculous?
what if this person wanted to get 99+ and the only way to do this is this way?
Are you talking about a split year vce?
Back on topic: Why would you wanna go through year 12 again? I just want to go through it quickly, it will be the worst year of my life no doubt. Just transfer after first year uni, if you can't get into your course.
as in like,
2 extra subjects the following year - just focusing on them to guarantee a higher TER. (totaling 8 subjects :P )
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what about someone who completes year 12, then does 2-3 extra subjects the following year at CAE (once a week classes)
(two different ones, so it's like extending year 12 over 2 years)
is this a ridiculous?
what if this person wanted to get 99+ and the only way to do this is this way?
Are you talking about a split year vce?
Back on topic: Why would you wanna go through year 12 again? I just want to go through it quickly, it will be the worst year of my life no doubt. Just transfer after first year uni, if you can't get into your course.
as in like,
2 extra subjects the following year - just focusing on them to guarantee a higher TER. (totaling 8 subjects :P )
Hm never heard of that before. That is quite interesting though, so will they just take your best 3 subjects (not including english) out of the 8 again?
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^ Yeah. (8 or 9), and the best English subject, if done more than one;)
It's a good idea i reckon if you really want to get into a course and didn't get in ENTER originally for it.
(but you'd have to really want your course :P
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Yeah ^^ and be willing to waste a year.
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Yeah ^^ and be willing to waste a year.
ha perhaps.
but, if i was to think about how logical it would be to obtain the scores i need and was 99% sure i was to obtain them, then it wouldn't be wasting a year.
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Yeah ^^ and be willing to waste a year.
ha perhaps.
but, if i was to think about how logical it would be to obtain the scores i need and was 99% sure i was to obtain them, then it wouldn't be wasting a year.
Yeah true. Better word: Time-consuming.
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Yeah ^^ and be willing to waste a year.
ha perhaps.
but, if i was to think about how logical it would be to obtain the scores i need and was 99% sure i was to obtain them, then it wouldn't be wasting a year.
Yeah true. Better word: Time-consuming.
& probably annoying to continue VCE.
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Yeah ^^ and be willing to waste a year.
ha perhaps.
but, if i was to think about how logical it would be to obtain the scores i need and was 99% sure i was to obtain them, then it wouldn't be wasting a year.
Yeah true. Better word: Time-consuming.
& probably annoying to continue VCE.
Yeah exactly.