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Archived Discussion => 2009 => End-of-year exams => Exam Discussion => Victoria => Mathematical Methods (and CAS) => Topic started by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:32:18 pm

Title: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:32:18 pm
How was exam 2, some shifty questions in there
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: almostatrap on November 09, 2009, 02:34:39 pm
it was good
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:35:49 pm
did anyone get 5pm for the last question
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: kaanonball on November 09, 2009, 02:36:19 pm
i thought it was pretty fair, just that last probability question was a bit tricky
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: almostatrap on November 09, 2009, 02:36:43 pm
did anyone get 5pm for the last question

I did
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:37:24 pm
good stuff!
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: VeryCrazyEdu. on November 09, 2009, 02:38:00 pm
yeah it was pretty good. It took ages for question 4 to click...

*waits for answers to be posted up* :)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: naved_s9994 on November 09, 2009, 02:39:31 pm
Yea 'shifty'.....
But I think I did well.
Waiting for the solutions to pop-up.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:39:41 pm
for Q3: c(i) did anyone get 0.8985, i used conditional probability
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: VeryCrazyEdu. on November 09, 2009, 02:40:23 pm
for Q3: c(i) did anyone get 0.8985, i used conditional probability

yeah i did :)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:40:55 pm
sweet, it took me 3 years to realise it was conditional
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: naved_s9994 on November 09, 2009, 02:41:12 pm
yeah it was pretty good. It took ages for question 4 to click...

*waits for answers to be posted up* :)
LOL, same!
I only left 2 marks empty (I.e not attempting),, but the rest I did with ease.
Finished with 8-9 minutes in hand.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: emkate on November 09, 2009, 02:41:18 pm
for Q3: c(i) did anyone get 0.8985, i used conditional probability

same :)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: nels on November 09, 2009, 02:42:01 pm
finding the coordinates of m and p only clicked in my brain when there was 30 seconds left in the exam. fml
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: ngRISING on November 09, 2009, 02:42:44 pm
this exam was not bad. i hope for a low A :) .

M & P can be found using the quadratic formula :D
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: dezz on November 09, 2009, 02:43:06 pm
what did use do to find the standard deviation?
that question was worth 3 marks :(
hope i scabbed 1-2 out of it , couldnt get it.
tried to use z = x-u/sd but was confused with the x value ;'(

finished with about 15-20minutes left, still couldnt get about 3 of the MC... somehow didnt click into equating the very last question, gg to that 2 marks..
and yea the SD
70+ Hopefully... :-\
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:43:49 pm
i got 0.54 somehow.... hope it is right
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: VeryCrazyEdu. on November 09, 2009, 02:45:00 pm
i got 0.54 somehow.... hope it is right

I got that too! :D
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: dezz on November 09, 2009, 02:45:25 pm
i got 0.54 somehow.... hope it is right

I got that too! :D
but how'd use get it o.0 if your talking about the SD question:\
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: forsaken231 on November 09, 2009, 02:46:17 pm
i got 0.54 through trial and error and wrote bullshit working down. Come on 3/3 from a lazy examiner!
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: emkate on November 09, 2009, 02:46:29 pm
what did use do to find the standard deviation?
that question was worth 3 marks :(
hope i scabbed 1-2 out of it , couldnt get it.
tried to use z = x-u/sd but was confused with the x value ;'(

finished with about 15-20minutes left, still couldnt get about 3 of the MC... somehow didnt click into equating the very last question, gg to that 2 marks..
and yea the SD
70+ Hopefully... :-\

i found the corresponding z value for 63.4 (or whatever the lowest umber was) by invnrm(0.01) then used z=x-u/sd

dont know if thats right though...
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: nels on November 09, 2009, 02:48:07 pm
it should have been invnorm(0.005
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: dejan91 on November 09, 2009, 02:48:40 pm
Do you think VCAA will have a bit of a copyright infringement issue using the name BBC? :P
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: emkate on November 09, 2009, 02:48:45 pm
yea thats what i meant lol...cause it was the middle 99%...couldnt quite remember
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: Edmund on November 09, 2009, 02:49:38 pm
OMG DID TASMANIA JONES DIE?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: VeryCrazyEdu. on November 09, 2009, 02:50:25 pm
OMG DID TASMANIA JONES DIE?

no..it was a cliffhanger...we don't even know if he rescued the statue lol
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: simpak on November 09, 2009, 02:51:40 pm
i got 0.54 somehow.... hope it is right

I GOT THAT TOO.
Oh my god if it's right I will be so happy.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: emkate on November 09, 2009, 02:53:09 pm
OMG DID TASMANIA JONES DIE?

no..it was a cliffhanger...we don't even know if he rescued the statue lol

i know i was cut....thought i was missing a page of the exam or something lol...
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: almostatrap on November 09, 2009, 02:54:32 pm
what did people get for the minimum number of years, n?

last probability question i think.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:55:12 pm
lol you sure your doing the right exam?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: /0 on November 09, 2009, 02:55:39 pm
someone post up the exam? I wanna see what happened to tassie jones
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: jimmy999 on November 09, 2009, 02:55:53 pm
The last bit of question one I had a closed circle at x =0, so far confirming with teachers that's the only thing I lost. Add that to 1 mark off from the 1st exam so if I'm lucky that's the only stuff I lost marks on

what did people get for the minimum number of years, n?

last probability question i think.
This was in the CAS paper. I got n = 8
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: nels on November 09, 2009, 02:56:10 pm
how gay were the multiple choice questions? tedious as.

did anyone get 2x+2 for the tangent one?
and E for the independent events one?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 02:57:09 pm
how gay were the multiple choice questions? tedious as.

did anyone get 2x+2 for the tangent one?
and E for the independent events one?

yeh i got 2x + 2, but i got A for the independent
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: VeryCrazyEdu. on November 09, 2009, 02:58:05 pm
how gay were the multiple choice questions? tedious as.

did anyone get 2x+2 for the tangent one?
and E for the independent events one?

I got A too and 2x + 2...

yeh i got 2x + 2, but i got A for the independent
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: Murph#3 on November 09, 2009, 02:58:30 pm
Yep, 2x + 2 and A for independent
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: MiCCAS on November 09, 2009, 02:58:52 pm
i got 0.54 somehow.... hope it is right

I'm pretty sure I got that too.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: emkate on November 09, 2009, 02:59:39 pm
how gay were the multiple choice questions? tedious as.

did anyone get 2x+2 for the tangent one?
and E for the independent events one?

yea same here..2x + 2 and A

I got A too and 2x + 2...

yeh i got 2x + 2, but i got A for the independent
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: almostatrap on November 09, 2009, 03:00:13 pm
lol you sure your doing the right exam?

im cas, is that it?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 03:00:18 pm
for the gradient question did you get a = 81/4
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: littlecherry25 on November 09, 2009, 03:01:31 pm
yay i got A for the indenpendetn one also !
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: VeryCrazyEdu. on November 09, 2009, 03:01:51 pm
for the gradient question did you get a = 81/4

yeah i did wooo i am actually feeling better about this exam now...
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: MiCCAS on November 09, 2009, 03:02:28 pm
someone post up the exam? I wanna see what happened to tassie jones

Scanning now!
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: littlecherry25 on November 09, 2009, 03:02:40 pm
i think i only lost one mark on that...
that stupid last question about t
i wrote d=t
arghhh didn't think about it or read the question properly
it should d = 14 - t shouldn't ittttttt
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: Murph#3 on November 09, 2009, 03:03:43 pm
that whole last question was rubbish, i had no clue??????????
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: cjays66 on November 09, 2009, 03:04:12 pm
i think i only lost one mark on that...
that stupid last question about t
i wrote d=t
arghhh didn't think about it or read the question properly
it should d = 14 - t shouldn't ittttttt

yea i got that.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:04:16 pm
i think i only lost one mark on that...
that stupid last question about t
i wrote d=t
arghhh didn't think about it or read the question properly
it should d = 14 - t shouldn't ittttttt




yeah.. d=14-t xD
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: THem on November 09, 2009, 03:04:29 pm
Just to check, I got t= 8 on the last question, did you need to state the exact time ( I think after 9pm or something?)? ( 2 mark question)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:05:00 pm
It was 5pm ^
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 03:05:09 pm
yeh 5pm
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: RexPP on November 09, 2009, 03:05:54 pm
Pretty hard exam, I thought, but there were only 3 marks I left unanswered - the new standard deviation question. What did people think of the last multiple choice? I did it like 3 times and kept getting an answer that wasn't there ... what was it supposed to be?

I was getting e^3 + 3 so I ended up just circling e^3 +2
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: khalil on November 09, 2009, 03:06:11 pm
i think i only lost one mark on that...
that stupid last question about t
i wrote d=t
arghhh didn't think about it or read the question properly
it should d = 14 - t shouldn't ittttttt

HAHA...exactly what I did, BUT i changed it....lol

Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: THem on November 09, 2009, 03:06:24 pm
So I'll lose a mark for not adding that t onto after 9 am?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: moekamo on November 09, 2009, 03:06:35 pm
i got 2 + e^3
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: VeryCrazyEdu. on November 09, 2009, 03:06:49 pm
Pretty hard exam, I thought, but there were only 3 marks I left unanswered - the new standard deviation question. WHat did people think of the last multiple choice? I did it like 3 times and kept getting an answer that wasn't there ... what was it supposed to be?

I got D but can't remember the question lol xD
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: iwakura on November 09, 2009, 03:06:56 pm
this exam was too easy. lost about 2 or 3 marks :(
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:07:00 pm
Pretty hard exam, I thought, but there were only 3 marks I left unanswered - the new standard deviation question. WHat did people think of the last multiple choice? I did it like 3 times and kept getting an answer that wasn't there ... what was it supposed to be?

It was D i think.. you had to find the area of a square then the area under the log(x-1) curve..
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: chengerz on November 09, 2009, 03:07:20 pm
I got 2 - e^3
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:08:04 pm
So I'll lose a mark for not adding that t onto after 9 am?

yeah 1 mark gone for that :( it asked for "WHAT TIME"..
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: RexPP on November 09, 2009, 03:08:08 pm
Pretty hard exam, I thought, but there were only 3 marks I left unanswered - the new standard deviation question. WHat did people think of the last multiple choice? I did it like 3 times and kept getting an answer that wasn't there ... what was it supposed to be?


It was D i think.. you had to find the area of a square then the area under the log(x-1) curve..

That's what I did but couldn't get any of the options. Oh well, if it was D then I guessed right :)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: chuckjefster90 on November 09, 2009, 03:09:22 pm
yeah anyone find the mulitple choice questions more confusing than extended response?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: chengerz on November 09, 2009, 03:10:00 pm
I transposed the equation so that it was x in terms of y then found the area between y = 0 and y = 3 using anti derivatives.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:10:08 pm
yeah anyone find the mulitple choice questions more confusing than extended response?

My mind went blank for the last 3.. but i got them ^^
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: cjays66 on November 09, 2009, 03:11:10 pm
can anyone remember what the second last mc was?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:11:31 pm
can anyone remember what the last mc was?

D definitely.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: VeryCrazyEdu. on November 09, 2009, 03:12:20 pm
can anyone remember what the second last mc was?

I said B
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: chengerz on November 09, 2009, 03:12:38 pm
What did people get for the question which asked for what is the probability that for 4 samples....1 or more tennis balls will lie outside the range?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: simpak on November 09, 2009, 03:12:45 pm
Pretty hard exam, I thought, but there were only 3 marks I left unanswered - the new standard deviation question. WHat did people think of the last multiple choice? I did it like 3 times and kept getting an answer that wasn't there ... what was it supposed to be?

I got D but can't remember the question lol xD

I was tossing up between D and C and picked C D:

When in doubt...pick...C?
Yeah, I guess I won't be using that philosophy anymore.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: TheJosh on November 09, 2009, 03:14:02 pm
how gay were the multiple choice questions? tedious as.

did anyone get 2x+2 for the tangent one?
and E for the independent events one?

yes 2x + 2 i got :)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: simpak on November 09, 2009, 03:15:33 pm
yeah anyone find the mulitple choice questions more confusing than extended response?

Yes!
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: cjays66 on November 09, 2009, 03:18:35 pm
We didn't have to draw a graph in Exam 1, so i was confident we would have to draw one in Exam 2 but we didnt. Strange.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: chuckjefster90 on November 09, 2009, 03:19:36 pm
anyone got .2km for distance between train and the rock?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 03:19:49 pm
did you have to put the mod signs for f(g(x))??
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: nels on November 09, 2009, 03:24:26 pm
mod signs? oh no did i miss something?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:24:32 pm
anyone got .2km for distance between train and the rock?

I did.. it was like 6.2 - 6??
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: simpak on November 09, 2009, 03:25:23 pm
anyone got .2km for distance between train and the rock?

I did.. it was like 6.2 - 6??

OOPS
I totally forgot about that part of the question and left my answer as 6.
Oops, well, one mark gone.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 03:25:30 pm
mod signs? oh no did i miss something?
sqrt(x^2) = |x| - dunno if you needed to put mod
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: dcc on November 09, 2009, 03:27:03 pm
I'm not sure what the question was, but saying is fine as long as there is an implicit understanding that you are only considering non-negative x.  Maybe you'd need to explicitly state it in your answer to get the mark, I'm not too sure how VCE markers work.

Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: littlecherry25 on November 09, 2009, 03:27:32 pm
anyone got .2km for distance between train and the rock?

but the question asked for exact so it was 1\5?
(CAS)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 03:28:15 pm
0.2 IS exact
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:28:20 pm
anyone got .2km for distance between train and the rock?

but the question asked for exact so it was 1\5?
(CAS)

AIYA! .2 is exact my friend :)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: THem on November 09, 2009, 03:28:41 pm
anyone got .2km for distance between train and the rock?

but the question asked for exact so it was 1\5?
(CAS)

lol
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: littlecherry25 on November 09, 2009, 03:29:46 pm
I'm not sure what the question was, but saying is fine as long as there is an implicit understanding that you are only considering non-negative x.  Maybe you'd need to explicitly state it in your answer to get the mark, I'm not too sure how VCE markers work.



you have to put the mod sign ...
the graph would look different if you didn't (obviously)
and because sqrt of something has to be bigger than or equal to zero
that is already defined for f(x)

so when you put g(x) into it, you have to put mod around it to make it bigger than zero
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: littlecherry25 on November 09, 2009, 03:30:47 pm
anyone got .2km for distance between train and the rock?

but the question asked for exact so it was 1\5?
(CAS)

lol
lol omg u serious
geez you people are good at making me feel dumb.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: almostatrap on November 09, 2009, 03:34:09 pm
correct answer + excess time to check = wrong answer   :'(

happened in exam 1 and 2
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: dezz on November 09, 2009, 03:37:15 pm
*waits patiently for TT's answers 8-)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tl on November 09, 2009, 03:37:18 pm
correct answer + excess time to check = wrong answer   :'(

happened in exam 1 and 2

Incorrect answer + excess time to check = not realise
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: lookche on November 09, 2009, 03:38:18 pm
mod signs? oh no did i miss something?
sqrt(x^2) = |x| - dunno if you needed to put mod

I'm not sure what the question was, but saying is fine as long as there is an implicit understanding that you are only considering non-negative x.  Maybe you'd need to explicitly state it in your answer to get the mark, I'm not too sure how VCE markers work.

you MUST put in modulus signs, it changes the entire answer for negative values of x if you don't. sqrt(x^2) is actually |x| because for instance (-1)^2 = 1 thus sqrt of 1 = 1, not -1.

because once you did that you were less tempted to do a simple derivative (alla 6x to 6....you had to fully chain rule it) so you ended up with something over root(x^2), which of course cant be zero, which satisfies the condition that x cannot equal 0.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: dcc on November 09, 2009, 03:38:25 pm
you have to put the mod sign ...
the graph would look different if you didn't (obviously)
and because sqrt of something has to be bigger than or equal to zero
that is already defined for f(x)

so when you put g(x) into it, you have to put mod around it to make it bigger than zero


you MUST put in modulus signs, it changes the entire answer for negative values of x if you don't. sqrt(x^2) is actually |x| because for instance (-1)^2 = 1 thus sqrt of 1 = 1, not -1.

because once you did that you were less tempted to do a simple derivative (alla 6x to 6....you had to fully chain rule it) so you ended up with something over root(x^2), which of course cant be zero, which satisfies the condition that x cannot equal 0.

Whoa nellies, calm down.  I didn't take the exam, I was just speculating that if the function under consideration had a non-negative domain, then you could correctly say that .  

Looking at the questions now (since I only just got linked to them), it is clear that you would need the modulus signs.  That, or leaving it as .
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: tripz on November 09, 2009, 03:48:13 pm
what was the answer to the co-ordinates? M and P?
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: Chocolate01 on November 09, 2009, 03:56:47 pm
for exam 1 igot 35-36, wat score du u think i will get if i got 74-75 on exam2??
Thnx gyz
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: avram_grant on November 09, 2009, 03:57:04 pm
lol i bet like only 1% of the state put  mod signs
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: simpak on November 09, 2009, 03:59:42 pm
lol i bet like only 1% of the state put  mod signs


I put mod signs.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: iwakura on November 09, 2009, 04:01:21 pm
The last bit of question one I had a closed circle at x =0, so far confirming with teachers that's the only thing I lost. Add that to 1 mark off from the 1st exam so if I'm lucky that's the only stuff I lost marks on

what did people get for the minimum number of years, n?

last probability question i think.
This was in the CAS paper. I got n = 8

yay for james :) i know youuu
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: NE2000 on November 09, 2009, 04:03:40 pm
lol i bet like only 1% of the state put  mod signs


I put mod signs.

Put mod signs too :)

And then the derivative was split into two parts, like a hybrid function derivative?

From talking to people many people forgot the whole mod sign thing.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: ngRISING on November 09, 2009, 04:21:26 pm
fk
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: btuned on November 09, 2009, 05:07:47 pm
can anyone remember what the second last mc was?
B for me as well. How did the question go? I'll remember what it's about if you remember the question
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: chinx_4eva on November 09, 2009, 05:18:10 pm
i don't think modulus signs were needed in the question.
even though i still put them

because is square any number.. it would become positive.
hence the square root would always be positive. :)
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: kendraaaaa on November 09, 2009, 05:21:03 pm
Was an improvement from my trial exam in which i got like 4/80. Haha, might have scraped a pass. Doesn't bother me though, its my seventh subject woo.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: phuiii on November 09, 2009, 05:22:01 pm
Yeah I checked it on my calculator for the f(g(x)) question.

sqrt(x^2)= |x|, lets hope they don't penalise it.

Exam wasn't too bad, last questions threw me off, didn't have enough time to answer it.
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: linny on November 09, 2009, 06:11:38 pm
stupid tasmania jones lol
Title: Re: Exam 2 - How was it?
Post by: physics on November 09, 2009, 06:37:07 pm
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh that modulus question is worrying me :( 3 marks? does that mean if i drew the grapg wrong like the line 2x-6 or somethin i loose all 3 marks :(