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Archived Discussion => 2014 => Results Discussion => Victoria => 2009 => Topic started by: bludger on December 16, 2009, 07:25:14 am
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I don't know whether this has been posted before. I found this archive of study score for 40 and above. Archive is for 1998 and 2000 to 2008. This year's results will be included soon.
http://www.quppa.net/studyscores/
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All done!
http://www.quppa.net/studyscores/
As always, if you spot any errors, please tell me and I'll correct them as soon as possible.
Enjoy.
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Well, it looks like there were at least two people named Peter Tran attending Melbourne High this year: there are two listings for that name under English. I have no way to differentiate between the two, so unfortunately both their scores are combined in the archive...
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Wow, great job! However I can't find Specialist Maths under the subject folder
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Music Group is invisible in mine. Otherwise, excellent. =D
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Well, it looks like there were at least two people named Peter Tran attending Melbourne High this year: there are two listings for that name under English. I have no way to differentiate between the two, so unfortunately both theirs scores are combined in the archive...
lol
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Music Group is invisible in mine. Otherwise, excellent. =D
I wondered about this, myself, but there is no Music Group Performance list on the Herald Sun's website. Is there one in the paper? If so, I don't suppose anyone would be kind enough to copy out the data carefully and send it to me?
Wow, great job! However I can't find Specialist Maths under the subject folder
It's under 'Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics'.
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thanks :)
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No Derrick Has this year then??
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No Derrick Has this year then??
James Lu
Environmental Science: 50
Mathematics - Mathematical Methods: 50
Chemistry: 50
English: 50
Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 50
Uni Maths: 5.5
Literature: 48
Tied with Derrick Ha
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Yuhang Guo, Kunal Luthra and Bill Huang also got pretty close in raw scores, if you bother looking them up.
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Music Group is invisible in mine. Otherwise, excellent. =D
I wondered about this, myself, but there is no Music Group Performance list on the Herald Sun's website. Is there one in the paper? If so, I don't suppose anyone would be kind enough to copy out the data carefully and send it to me?
Attached :)
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No Derrick Has this year then??
James Lu
Environmental Science: 50
Mathematics - Mathematical Methods: 50
Chemistry: 50
English: 50
Mathematics - Specialist Mathematics: 50
Uni Maths: 5.5
Literature: 48
Tied with Derrick Ha
ok, forgot the possibility of UMEP and MUEP subjects.
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Hey Cuppa, how exactly did you make this data? Its absolutely amazing!! Like how did you get the data, and then sort it in such a way?
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I agree, amazingly detailed and organised!
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just curious, if u get a 50 raw in any of ur subjects say methods, it gets scaled up yea?
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Not in most cases. Go check the scaling report (Google "Scaling report" :p).
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thanks ;P
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Music Group is invisible in mine. Otherwise, excellent. =D
I wondered about this, myself, but there is no Music Group Performance list on the Herald Sun's website. Is there one in the paper? If so, I don't suppose anyone would be kind enough to copy out the data carefully and send it to me?
Attached :)
Thanks a lot, that would have been tedious - I appreciate it.
I've updated the archives to include the Music Group Performance info. As always, the latest version can be found at http://www.quppa.net/studyscores/
Hey Cuppa, how exactly did you make this data? Its absolutely amazing!! Like how did you get the data, and then sort it in such a way?
The data is all from the Herald Sun's website. I am forced to copy and paste the data manually, since the website formatting isn't consistent across subjects :( I made a program to automate the process last year, but it fails too often to bother with.
I wrote a program to generate the lists. The code is poorly documented, but you can have a look at it here: http://www.quppa.net/studyscores/vcesrc.7z
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Hey Cuppa, how exactly did you make this data? Its absolutely amazing!! Like how did you get the data, and then sort it in such a way?
The data is all from the Herald Sun's website. I am forced to copy and paste the data manually, since the website formatting isn't consistent across subjects :( I made a program to automate the process last year, but it fails too often to bother with.
I wrote a program to generate the lists. The code is poorly documented, but you can have a look at it here: http://www.quppa.net/studyscores/vcesrc.7z
Whoa.... truly impressive Cuppa. Kudos to you! :D
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Nah, 50 doesn't scale upward for Methods. It does for Spesh though!
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Jeremy William is on par with Derrick, both past Haileyburians, and I think got a similar aggregate.
50 Literature
50 Specialist Maths
50 Chemistry
43 French
5.5 Uni Maths
4.94 Methods
The only reason why Jeremy's aggregate is not as high as Derrick's is because Spec did not scale to 55 this year.
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Jeremy William is on par with Derrick, both past Haileyburians, and I think got a similar aggregate.
50 Literature
50 Specialist Maths
50 Chemistry
43 French
5.5 Uni Maths
4.94 Methods
The only reason why Jeremy's aggregate is not as high as Derrick's is because Spec did not scale to 55 this year.
Wow! The only subject that won't contribute as much as six 50's would be the 4.94 in Methods! :O
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Jeremy William is on par with Derrick, both past Haileyburians, and I think got a similar aggregate.
50 Literature
50 Specialist Maths
50 Chemistry
43 French
5.5 Uni Maths
4.94 Methods
The only reason why Jeremy's aggregate is not as high as Derrick's is because Spec did not scale to 55 this year.
That's not 'on par' with Derrick, he did not get 5 50's. It is truly awesome though :P
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Lol go James Lu and Yuhang Guo, both 99.95 with five 50's raw, and without LOTE 50+ scaling
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What did Yuhang Guo get?
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Chinese FL - 50
Methods - 46
Specialist - 50
ESL - 50
Chem - 50
Physics - 50
Accounting - 48
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Chinese FL - 50
Methods - 46
Specialist - 50
ESL - 50
Chem - 50
Physics - 50
Accounting - 48
Awesome scores :P besides Methods and Accounting ;)
Doesn't Chinese FL scale past 50?
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No.
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Chinese FL - 50
Methods - 46
Specialist - 50
ESL - 50
Chem - 50
Physics - 50
Accounting - 48
amazing. gonna top em kyzoo ? :P
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Yuhang Guo, Kunal Luthra and Bill Huang also got pretty close in raw scores, if you bother looking them up.
Them + James Lu got five 50s. All didn't benefit from 50+ LOTE scaling. I'm not sure how many times you have four such people in a year...but none got up to six 50s...
So kyzoo has something to aim for I guess, get more than five :)
Jeremy William did amazingly awesome (obviously) but imo the Derrick Ha thing is more about the five raw 50s + 5.5, a lot of people have got higher aggregates than Derrick in the past.
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wow..i would like to see that ;D
kyzoo can represent VN :smitten:
;)
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Jeremy William is on par with Derrick, both past Haileyburians, and I think got a similar aggregate.
50 Literature
50 Specialist Maths
50 Chemistry
43 French
5.5 Uni Maths
4.94 Methods
The only reason why Jeremy's aggregate is not as high as Derrick's is because Spec did not scale to 55 this year.
That's not 'on par' with Derrick, he did not get 5 50's. It is truly awesome though :P
Yes he did not get 5 50's but his results scale far beyond:
50 Literature=>50
50 Specialist Maths=>52 should be 55
50 Chemistry=>50
43 French=>50.5
5.5 Uni Maths=>5.5
48 Methods=>49.4
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Refer to the end of NE2000's post:
Jeremy William did amazingly awesome (obviously) but imo the Derrick Ha thing is more about the five raw 50s + 5.5, a lot of people have got higher aggregates than Derrick in the past.
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Exactly. If we wanted to talk about aggregate, take a look at these two:
Stephen Hughes:
Biology 50->50
Chemistry 49->49.7
English 50->50
Classical Greek 49->55
Specialist Maths 44->51
Japanese 45->51
Latin 47->54.5
Methods 46->48
Miltiadis Paikopoulos
Accounting 50->50
Methods 49->49.7
English 50->50
Classical Greek 48->54.5
Latin 47->54.5
Specialist Maths 45->51
Both have an aggregate of something like 220...
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I envy anyone who can get a 47 raw in Latin.
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^^ agreed. chillax :P
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pfft, will always be the king of vce....
no one will be the true king of vce unless they get 50 for english, 50 for two lotes that scale to 55, 50 for spesh, and another subject that scales to 55, plus a 5.5 on uni maths.
someone will do it one day i reckon...
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oh god, another study score debate, its all the MGS students talk about these days
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Well, they ARE in year 12 right now
true true, but its kind of sad that you still talk about it
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Such a stupid argument. It's particularly stupid for rhjc.1991 to go around bagging someone who they don't even know but who has actually equalled Derrick Ha's scores completely. How about appreciating someone for their good performance rather than making it a school-based mindless war which ends up somehow degrading both guys you people are defending?
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All right NE2000, I agree that you have a fair point that this whole talk has become irrelevant to the originally topic.
Having said so much, let me clarify one thing, that this has nothing to do with school to be honest, it's just my dislike for the character of James Lu which people may already have noticed from a thread about it some time back.
Also, reading back my posts in the topic would remind others that I possess no dislike for MGS and that James Lu is the only focus of my attack at the moment.
Is there any reason for your dislike of him? Do you know him in person?
A lot of people might have formed hasty judgements about him based on a highly-edited version of his letter to the Age, and even thus, his sentiments are still valid. It is far from bootless "bagging".
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pfft, will always be the king of vce....
no one will be the true king of vce unless they get 50 for english, 50 for two lotes that scale to 55, 50 for spesh, and another subject that scales to 55, plus a 5.5 on uni maths.
someone will do it one day i reckon...
lol, I don't think there are any other subjects that scale up to 55 (besides LOTEs and spesh). So probably just need another 50 in a LOTE, or another 5.5 in a Uni LOTE maybe. However I'm not sure how many courses this person will miss out on due to not fulfilling prereqs :P
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william zheng is by far the best of all of them. he pwns em all.
Here we go.....
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Nowadays, I think there's only three subjects that scale to 55: Latin, Classical Greek and Hebrew (I think).
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lulz, I don't see any point in analysing who is "better" than who in terms of VCE results....
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And if he wants the icing on the cake, get a 100 in that.
Didn't understand that last bit lol.
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^^ ah ok, got it.
Although I think it's unfair to judge people a) by their scores and b) by the subjects they got those scores in. I mean say someone gets 6 50s but they don't have spesh or uni maths but rather they chose economics, accounting, business management etc. I don't think that makes it any way less of a 'perfect vce'. But that's just my opinion.
Btw, perhaps someone has already got six 50s. I find it hard to believe that you have four people getting five 50s in a year (not sure whether this was just a special achievement by the class of 2009 or whether you have similar performances every year) but no-one has ever gone and got that extra one.
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heres my perfect vce.
50 for all 6 subs. this must include 50 in spesh and english, also a 50 in a lote (pref german, french, latin etc) and get 5.5 in uni maths AT MELBOURNE UNI. And if he wants the icing on the cake, get a 100 in that.
That's looks pretty perfect to me. :)
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Btw, perhaps someone has already got six 50s. I find it hard to believe that you have four people getting five 50s in a year (not sure whether this was just a special achievement by the class of 2009 or whether you have similar performances every year) but no-one has ever gone and got that extra one.
Wow may I ask who it was? And the five 50s thing is only this year I think...
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^^ ah ok, got it.
Although I think it's unfair to judge people a) by their scores and b) by the subjects they got those scores in. I mean say someone gets 6 50s but they don't have spesh or uni maths but rather they chose economics, accounting, business management etc. I don't think that makes it any way less of a 'perfect vce'. But that's just my opinion.
I disagree, the subjects like spesh and LOTEs etc. are harder, that's why they're scaled so high, so it is more prestigious to get 50s in all these than 50s in other less-scaled subjects (hence the higher aggregates)
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That's debatable and depending on what it is compared against. Specialist Mathematics is in the same discipline as Maths Methods and Further, and statistically and historically it is harder than both of them. But if you were to compare Specialist Maths with, say, Revs, they are in two very different fields of study and the difficulty of them depends on a individual's strengths and interests. Same deal goes for LOTEs. It's a BIG generalisation to say that Spesh and LOTEs are harder. For a non-literacy inclined person, Spesh may be easier than say literature, and vice versa.
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50s in VCE don't mean shit.
They aren't very hard to get.
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^^ ah ok, got it.
Although I think it's unfair to judge people a) by their scores and b) by the subjects they got those scores in. I mean say someone gets 6 50s but they don't have spesh or uni maths but rather they chose economics, accounting, business management etc. I don't think that makes it any way less of a 'perfect vce'. But that's just my opinion.
I disagree, the subjects like spesh and LOTEs etc. are harder, that's why they're scaled so high, so it is more prestigious to get 50s in all these than 50s in other less-scaled subjects (hence the higher aggregates)
Although in this case true, scaling is not representative of difficulty, just thought I'd point that out. It's representative of how competitive the cohort is. Just because spesh scaling is decreasing doesn't mean it's getting easier, A+ grades are more indicative of that.
But would that mean James (and others in similar situations), who did no LOTEs, wouldn't have a 'perfect' VCE (whatever that is) if he had got the 50 in Lit because he chose not to do any LOTEs?
I agree with Brightsky. It all depends on where your interests lie.
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50s in VCE don't mean shit.
They aren't very hard to get.
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what?
Lol, soz, just dumbfounded. S'if getting 50 in VCE is easy...
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50s in VCE don't mean shit.
They aren't very hard to get.
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what?
Maybe because you just have to be in the top 1-50 in the state at a subject that everyone gets 1 (or 2) year(s) to prepare for with the same teaching as just about anyone else (excl. tutoring).
Not hard, eh?
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^^ ah ok, got it.
Although I think it's unfair to judge people a) by their scores and b) by the subjects they got those scores in. I mean say someone gets 6 50s but they don't have spesh or uni maths but rather they chose economics, accounting, business management etc. I don't think that makes it any way less of a 'perfect vce'. But that's just my opinion.
I disagree, the subjects like spesh and LOTEs etc. are harder, that's why they're scaled so high, so it is more prestigious to get 50s in all these than 50s in other less-scaled subjects (hence the higher aggregates)
Although in this case true, scaling is not representative of difficulty, just thought I'd point that out. It's representative of how competitive the cohort is. Just because spesh scaling is decreasing doesn't mean it's getting easier, A+ grades are more indicative of that.
But would that mean James (and others in similar situations), who did no LOTEs, wouldn't have a 'perfect' VCE (whatever that is) if he had got the 50 in Lit because he chose not to do any LOTEs?
I agree with Brightsky. It all depends on where your interests lie.
Completely agree. But I think the VCE system works in a way that somehow implies what the.watchman is saying. VCE should be about learning. Taking that into consideration, is there any difference in learning Economics over a LOTE? All based on preference.
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that's exactly what i'm saying.
the state is not very talented at all
I wouldn't say that...but yes, if you are naturally talented at a certain subject and you like it, then it might not be as hard to get into the top "zero point something" percent of the state in the subject.
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^^ ah ok, got it.
Although I think it's unfair to judge people a) by their scores and b) by the subjects they got those scores in. I mean say someone gets 6 50s but they don't have spesh or uni maths but rather they chose economics, accounting, business management etc. I don't think that makes it any way less of a 'perfect vce'. But that's just my opinion.
I disagree, the subjects like spesh and LOTEs etc. are harder, that's why they're scaled so high, so it is more prestigious to get 50s in all these than 50s in other less-scaled subjects (hence the higher aggregates)
Although in this case true, scaling is not representative of difficulty, just thought I'd point that out. It's representative of how competitive the cohort is. Just because spesh scaling is decreasing doesn't mean it's getting easier, A+ grades are more indicative of that.
But would that mean James (and others in similar situations), who did no LOTEs, wouldn't have a 'perfect' VCE (whatever that is) if he had got the 50 in Lit because he chose not to do any LOTEs?
I agree with Brightsky. It all depends on where your interests lie.
Completely agree. But I think the VCE system works in a way that somehow implies what the.watchman is saying. VCE should be about learning. Taking that into consideration, is there any difference in learning Economics over a LOTE? All based on preference.
Yep and interestingly that's pretty much where James Lu was heading with his comments. There should be a greater focus on learning, and people should be ready to explore areas like economics rather than follow the tried-and-tested paths to get heaps of 50s and a high ENTER.
Interestingly I don't think the people rhjc.1991 and kyzoo and others were arguing about (the actual guys that got five 50s) would ever engage in a similar argument. Which is why I said it was stupid.
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Yep and interestingly that's pretty much where James Lu was heading with his comments. There should be a greater focus on learning, and people should be ready to explore areas like economics rather than follow the tried-and-tested paths to get heaps of 50s and a high ENTER.
Yeah, unfortunately VCE forces most people into going down these paths. I think its probably because of the competitiveness of it all. If we scrap the competitiveness out of the equation, then people would start going back to actually learning for the sake of learning. But I don't think competition would ever be scrapped...
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I've gotten a couple, they weren't hard for me. I just knew the content well.
Wow, smartness...:D
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^^ ah ok, got it.
Although I think it's unfair to judge people a) by their scores and b) by the subjects they got those scores in. I mean say someone gets 6 50s but they don't have spesh or uni maths but rather they chose economics, accounting, business management etc. I don't think that makes it any way less of a 'perfect vce'. But that's just my opinion.
I disagree, the subjects like spesh and LOTEs etc. are harder, that's why they're scaled so high, so it is more prestigious to get 50s in all these than 50s in other less-scaled subjects (hence the higher aggregates)
The people who take courses with such subjects are rewarded nicely with >50 scaling, but this is nothing to do with the difficulty. It is because of the government's initiative, whereby 5 points are added to LOTE's. In the case of specialist mathematics it is to keep fairness for those who choose harder maths.
The overall difficulty of any subject has no bearing on the difficulty of obtaining certain scores, as everyone encounters such difficulty. Aside from ultra pr0's like the ones mentioned in this thread.
I also think that the argument as to which subjects are more prestigious is a pointless pursuit, the difficulty of subjects is relative. As Brightsky said it is all dependant on the individual, someone who achieved 50 in Spesh, Chem and Methods could regard these scores as 'easy'. Whereas, they may consider English a very hard subject as they only achieved 30, they may think that only gods can achieve 50 in such a subject, or they could dismiss English as a waste of time, because of their deficiency of talent. Vice versa with an English/Humanities student. So Difficulty and by extension prestige is based upon the individual.
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Btw, everyone, "hellooo" is a lifebanned member who went by the moniker 'vce08'. He enjoys trolling and getting off on the fact that he got a 50 for VCE Physics (2 years ago, but he still comes back periodically to brag about it to sate his gaping insecurity). He's a troll who needs to get off a computer and get a life, so if you see him again, just don't feed his bruised ego.
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Oh, and boredmonkey was his lackey, "RD". He (boredmonkey/RD) actually never got any 50s in VCE. Didn't come close.
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Speaking of five 50s, I was searching through the Archive and found this:
2. Chen, Ye (University HS Parkville): 5 total
Chemistry: 50
English (ESL): 50
Mathematical Methods: 50
Mathematics Specialist Mathematics: 50
Physics: 50
I have no idea what he got in year 11 if he did a sixth subject, but he may well be the holder of six 50s. :D
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what year was that in?
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1998 lol.
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1998 lol.
lols, dont think there was any scaling back in 1998
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Speaking of five 50s, I was searching through the Archive and found this:
2. Chen, Ye (University HS Parkville): 5 total
Chemistry: 50
English (ESL): 50
Mathematical Methods: 50
Mathematics Specialist Mathematics: 50
Physics: 50
I have no idea what he got in year 11 if he did a sixth subject, but he may well be the holder of six 50s. :D
Just WOW. This person's amazing.
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I could only dream :p