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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Health sciences => Topic started by: naved_s9994 on December 23, 2009, 12:39:11 pm
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For Med at Monash,
I read on the site, an UMAT of 93rd percentile minimum, on avg.
Say I achieve that exact figure...(93rd Percentile), what ENTER is required?
Would a 96 be good enough, if I had a good interview?
Thanks
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umm it is kinda of difficult to say.
i was told by them that at monash: the interview is the worth much more than the ENTER/UMAT, but you still need 90%+ (depending on cutoff) for cutoff. and High 90's. the vast majority of the students get in with an ENTER of 99+, but you could get in with a bonded place with 96.
or if you rock the interview, you could possibly get in with 96 with unbonded:)
goodluck with interviews and all that.
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Yeah, enter is the least considered thing at Monash.
Kid at our school 3 or 4 years ago got in with something <95 cant remember exactly, but i believed he aced UMAT, and the the type of person he was i would have assumed he would have interviewed well
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Yea True,
Someone told me that the entry selection criteria set by Monash selectors is
that 25% is based upon your Enter, 25% upon your UMAT, and 50% upon
your Interview.
But In my opinion, UMAT is worth quite more, as its the basis upon what
you get an interview.
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Ohh and also Im doing VCE in 2010..and whats bonded, unbonded? Is that HEC's placement?
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Yea True,
Someone told me that the entry selection criteria set by Monash selectors is
that 25% is based upon your Enter, 25% upon your UMAT, and 50% upon
your Interview.
But In my opinion, UMAT is worth quite more, as its the basis upon what
you get an interview.
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Ohh and also Im doing VCE in 2010..and whats bonded, unbonded? Is that HEC's placement?
Bonded spots is where you agree to go work in a rural area for 5-6 years after you finish med.
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Yea but...
Well what if that person leaves the country then? After the degree (Although wont be able to practice)
Or refuse to do it later on.
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Yea but...
Well what if that person leaves the country then? After the degree (Although wont be able to practice)
Or refuse to do it later on.
You CANNOT refuse. If you do, you will be forced to pay up the whole full fee for your entire course and other penalties may apply.
I dont know what happens if you need to leave the country. Maybe come to some agreement that you will make up later??
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Ahh, I see.
Fair enough.. Anyway, as Monash is a 5 year coruse, you will have to spend 5 years in an
rural district..Damn Damn Damn.
So if say you apply for a Bonded place, how much would it seriously affect you entry prospects?
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Ahh, I see.
Fair enough.. Anyway, as Monash is a 5 year coruse, you will have to spend 5 years in an
rural district..Damn Damn Damn.
So if say you apply for a Bonded place, how much would it seriously affect you entry prospects?
well considering its only 5 years, you have to serve your time in about 15years or when you finish specialising, and by then you will be making enough per year to cover the fees on a bonded placement buyout. but it is slightly risky as if you dont pay by the exact year, the amount you owe to the governent each year increases dramtically.
it is unknown how much exactly the bonded decreases the entry requirements, you still need 90~93%+ for interview, and have to ace it. but enter requirements can be as low as 90, but no lower on bonded. its still unlikely to get with even that, but it IS possible with high 90's in umat, and low 90's in enter on bonded, granted you ace your interview.
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Ahh, I see.
Fair enough.. Anyway, as Monash is a 5 year coruse, you will have to spend 5 years in an
rural district..Damn Damn Damn.
So if say you apply for a Bonded place, how much would it seriously affect you entry prospects?
well considering its only 5 years, you have to serve your time in about 15years or when you finish specialising, and by then you will be making enough per year to cover the fees on a bonded placement buyout. but it is slightly risky as if you dont pay by the exact year, the amount you owe to the governent each year increases dramtically.
it is unknown how much exactly the bonded decreases the entry requirements, you still need 90~93%+ for interview, and have to ace it. but enter requirements can be as low as 90, but no lower on bonded. its still unlikely to get with even that, but it IS possible with high 90's in umat, and low 90's in enter on bonded, granted you ace your interview.
Ahh True True!
Yea, it might be around ~300k... but thats like how much you'd have made easily by then?
I guess it's okay In a sense
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^ wow no way that much. its approx 20k per year actually.
20 x 5 = 100.
its a bit less then that, but in a few years when we graduate it will most likely be around 100k for buyout.
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Yea but still, the aim shoud not be to get in through this method... as it is a whole complex arguement.
Aim high, and I think we should be able to get in, through the regular method.
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^ yeah, try and do heaps of umat prac exams, aim for enter closer to 99, and smash interview and hope:)
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I'd say, they arn't crazy about ENTER...somewhere around 97 + would work, if both the other are high
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I'd say, they arn't crazy about ENTER...somewhere around 97 + would work, if both the other are high
yeah. they said they need high 90's. vast majority get in with 99+ though
there's so many poeple who apply and get 99 and amazing in the rest.
but yes its very possibly to get in with 97 if both the others are amazing.
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there's always biomed
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last year a friend got into monash med with 98.95 enter and 92% (or there abouts) umat.
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last year a friend got into monash med with 98.95 enter and 92% (or there abouts) umat.
it would have been 93%ile as that was the apparent cutoff.
he probably did quite well on the interview too:)
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what was the cutoff for this years entrance...(UMAT)
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91%
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91%
thanks
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91%
whoa it went down by a couple of percentiles, i remember 2008 is was 93
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91%
whoa it went down by a couple of percentiles, i remember 2008 is was 93
Eesh! You would have thought Monash cutoff would go up because of the Melbourne Model!
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91%
whoa it went down by a couple of percentiles, i remember 2008 is was 93
Eesh! You would have thought Monash cutoff would go up because of the Melbourne Model!
Wouldn't Monash cutoff go down (like it did) because more people applied to Melbourne instead (explains why Biomed went from 95 to ~98) as it requires a lower ENTER?
Good point! I was just thinking that the people who want to launch straight into med would move over to monash, so the cohort would be more competitive.
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I think Monash simply offered more interviews than last year, hence the cutoff lowers.
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^ the only cutoff for medicine at monash was the umat which was 90%ile lowered from the previous 93%ile, however the high ENTER requirement and large interview focus remained.
i agree with watchman. the cohort would have been more competitive due to the only undergrad med school in victoria.
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^ yeah that's what I meant.
The UMAT cutoff for interviews lowered simply because they offered more interviews than previously. Remember you get an interview for Monash no matter where it is on your preferences if your UMAT is high enough. I would think that before the Melbourne Model most students aspiring to Melbourne med would still have Monash on their preferences list, even if it was lower, hence I don't think the Melbourne Model itself would have a huge impact on the interview UMAT cutoff, while it probably does have an impact on the final ENTER/interview/UMAT combined score cutoff. I may be wrong though, but that's just my opinion.
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yeah they offered more interviews.
the only impact would be to raise the 'combined cutoff' if there's such a thing.
but who knows really, it's only logical that it would have been more competitive.
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meh, I don't think the competition has changed too much ...
Even when there was UoM, people were still selected for interviews based on interview ranks. Now statistically,
2007, 800 selected (89% cut off)
2008, 500 selected (93% cut off)
2009, 650 selected (91% cut off)
So I think it is logically to think that every 150 students they increase/decrease in interview selection there is a +/-1% change.
Anyways, I am sure you will be fine if you score 93%+ this year.
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^ the cutoff was 90%ile wasn't it? i know someone who got an interview with exactly 90%ile.
but yeah i'll aim for mid 90%iles but there's no guaranteeing that haha.
what was your umat just curious?
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It was impossible to get 90% last year, the only scores possible were (from 86 upwardds):
86%, 89%, 91%, 93%, 95%, 96%, 97 ...
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^ i think you are mistaken.
the %iles are a ranking amongst everyone who did the umat, so any percentile /100 is possible.
and he definitely got 90%ile.
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Nah it isn't
The overall scores are what matter the most
60 - 91% while 62 - 93%, thus no 92%.
Trust me, I know, Hehe.
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Nah it isn't
The overall scores are what matter the most
60 - 91% while 62 - 93%, thus no 92%.
Trust me, I know, Hehe.
Fine hah i will trust you here...
Maybe he told everyone the wrong number :p
Regardless, i just assumed since the percentiles is a rank amongst everyone that it was possible to get any full digit!
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Does anyone have a list of the required UMAT socres for all of the various unis offering undergrad med?
Do they all hover around the 90% mark and thus would it be safe to aim above there, or are there other unis that offer interviews/placements/whatever with lower umat scores; or in some uni cases do they allow for lower umat scores with a better interview or enter or something?
any help regarding this would be greatly appreciated lol. i really have no clue lol. my plan is to just do my best and hope i get in somewhere XD
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Greggler- monash is quite high in the sense that you need 91~93%ile depending on the cutoff.
look at UNSW's enter/umat combined cutoff. as if you get like 99.50+ you can get an interview with a lower umat, in the 80's and 99.95 is even lower.
also there are a few med schools that have umat cutoffs around 170.
look at the MSO wiki at medstudentsonline.com.au and see the undergrad unis and it tells you.
for example UQ was 170 cutoff for first round offers this year with a required 50/50/50 in each section, plus a ENTER of 99+ min.
so yeah look, all unis are different so find your strength/uni!
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I'll give you a list of cut-off's for uni's for 2010:
Monash - 91%
UNSW - 89% for an ATAR of 99.50
UQ - 170 (first round)
Griffith - 80%
JCU - no UMAT
The following have limited quota for interstate applicants so the cut-off is much higher:
Adelaide - 93% (~80% for SA)
Western Australia - 95% (~80% for WA)
Western Sydney - weighting is different so no ideas ...
Tasmania - a very high 100% (top 5 in Australia) (but 80% for Tas)
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wow...why so high for tas?
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wow...why so high for tas?
because its only 5 spots out of all interstate applicants, so it's extremely competitive and relies solely on UMAT for entry (provided you get a TER 95+)
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thanks guys for the info
ill stick with my plan and just pretty much apply everywhere and hope i can get in somewhere lol.