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Title: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: brendan on February 11, 2008, 05:40:20 pm
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23172235-13881,00.html
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As for the diploma of education, Ms Stone described it as a "total waste of time"....

Now studying a bachelor of science to update her maths skills, Ms Stone said the diploma of education was an appalling academic experience that concentrated more on the use of academic language to espouse educational theories than the skills required to teach in the classroom.

"There's a confusion of purpose," she said.

"Most people would expect a one-year teacher qualification, particularly if it's mandatory, to make you classroom-ready, giving you practical skills. But most of what you do is highly theoretical, about education theory with subjects like adolescent development and the theory of self-identity."
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: cara.mel on February 11, 2008, 07:24:53 pm
This is another one of my 'I have nothing to back up my point of view but I have one anyway' posts:

When student teachers come through mum's school, what they learn in terms of how to shut up 25 teenagers etc doesn't work at all, and the teachers always have to tell them the RL way of doing things
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: brendan on February 11, 2008, 07:30:34 pm
u mean ur mum owns a school ?
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Collin Li on February 11, 2008, 07:33:52 pm
Nah, she works at a school.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Toothpaste on February 11, 2008, 09:30:58 pm
A school with teenagers that never shut up.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: excal on February 11, 2008, 11:00:37 pm
And fight back...?
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: cara.mel on February 12, 2008, 07:32:52 am
I should have elaborated on my post.

Situation I was thinking of was:
Student teacher has been taught to simply wait for the kids to stop talking at start of lesson before starting, because that's what they've been taught to do.
Real teacher knows that that will never work.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: reg on February 12, 2008, 10:42:13 am
It does work caramel, because I have had teachers who have used the method.
You are correct in saying that it doesn't work on everybody, it requires a certain type of teacher and a certain type of student.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: midas_touch on February 12, 2008, 04:40:23 pm
Also depends on how well like or respected the teacher is, and the year level you are teaching. Year 7-10's seem to never shut the hell up.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Odette on February 12, 2008, 05:08:47 pm
Hmm I'd say the best way to shut the students up would be to make just leave the room... no um possibly make them laugh about it? Make a joke out of the situation? Negotiate with them maybe? I dunno I'll tell you when I start my rounds lol
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: DrowNz on February 12, 2008, 05:58:19 pm
teachers jokes wont hold with students, they are just not 'cool' enough (teachers.)
Only laugh you will get out of them is out of pity for trying so hard followed by a loss of respect, that is if there was any to begin with.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: pepsi on February 12, 2008, 06:40:30 pm
^ so true.. I cringe whenever teachers makes a joke.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Ninox on February 12, 2008, 06:44:48 pm
one of my teachers uses jokes as a 'weapon' to get people to be quiet.
for example, it's a maths class and the teacher's about to move onto some more theory. There's a kid talking. the teacher'd say something like "[Name], makin' friends over there are ya?"
this evokes the natural peer response of laughter AT the one who was talking, making him shut up in embarrassment. i've only seen this work with guys though. but if it works... :P
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: brendan on February 12, 2008, 07:47:24 pm
oooh that's a good technique.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: DrowNz on February 12, 2008, 08:47:58 pm
one of my teachers uses jokes as a 'weapon' to get people to be quiet.
for example, it's a maths class and the teacher's about to move onto some more theory. There's a kid talking. the teacher'd say something like "[Name], makin' friends over there are ya?"
this evokes the natural peer response of laughter AT the one who was talking, making him shut up in embarrassment. i've only seen this work with guys though. but if it works... :P
Do kids in your class ever respond? In my school they did. result = teacher makes no jokes no more.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Odette on February 15, 2008, 07:14:15 pm
Well it would depend on the students, but it does work sometimes... like it did at the intro lecture at acu hehe
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Ninox on February 15, 2008, 08:03:54 pm
that teacher I mentioned is a venerated maths god - has that evil grin when he makes those 'jokes.'
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: nak on February 15, 2008, 08:49:54 pm
teachers jokes are mostly a pathetic way of getting students attention.
The only teach ive ever known that made good jokes and can actually teach is a physics teacher at TSFX.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Collin Li on February 15, 2008, 08:51:25 pm
teachers jokes are mostly a pathetic way of getting students attention.
The only teach ive ever known that made good jokes and can actually teach is a physics teacher at TSFX.

Haha, I've had a few. They usually have funny personalities (not jokes specifically), or have some really funny stories to tell.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: brendan on February 15, 2008, 09:19:11 pm
The only teach ive ever known that made good jokes and can actually teach is a physics teacher at TSFX.

geoff davies right?
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Ninox on February 15, 2008, 10:51:30 pm
if not, was it anthony novak?
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: DrowNz on February 15, 2008, 11:32:58 pm
if not, was it anthony novak?
If only he hadn't lost his finger, he'd have no jokes to tell... :/
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: Collin Li on February 15, 2008, 11:34:54 pm
if not, was it anthony novak?
If only he hadn't lost his finger, he'd have no jokes to tell... :/

Yeah, that joke was a bit annoying too.
Title: Re: Diploma of Education (DipEd)
Post by: DrowNz on February 15, 2008, 11:39:46 pm
if not, was it anthony novak?
If only he hadn't lost his finger, he'd have no jokes to tell... :/

Yeah, that joke was a bit annoying too.
I wasn't trying to be cold or unsympathetic to the fact that he's experienced a personal trauma but rather him using his his finger-absent fist continuously to make jokes. That was the case when I was @ TSFX last year at least.. It just gets a little out of hand (no pun intended ;x) especially when he wasted around 15 minutes making weird dogs with his hands using the board-projector.