ATAR Notes: Forum
VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: red bull on January 07, 2010, 09:05:23 pm
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is it true that if u attend a christian or catholic school u must undetake religion and society as 1 of ur subjects?
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Depends on the school. At lot of them, yes, it is compulsory that you take either R+S or T+T as a VCE subject.
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is it true that if u attend a christian or catholic school u must undetake religion and society as 1 of ur subjects?
Not the one I currently go to. Though, at my previous school, yes. You had to undertake a religion subject, not Religion and Society, rather, Certificate 4 in Christian ministry.
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I go to a baptist school if that counts. There is the option of taking text and traditions, but it's not compulsory and very few actually undertake the subject.
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That applies for some. I am conjecturing that schools such as Mt Scopus coerce you into doing Religion in VCE by their school rules. Probably Bialik does as well.
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I go to one (unfortunately) and we have to undertake a religious subject in year 12. We have an option between Religion and Society 3/4, or there are 2 other subjects that don't recieve a study score, but yes, it is compulsory that we must do 1. (Might not be doing any Religion work in Religion class however)
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I remember at my school it was compulsory to do one of:
1. Religion and Society 1+2
2. Religion and Society 3+4
3. Text and Traditions 3+4
Of course picking option 1, you will not get a study score and it will not count towards your ENTER (ATAR) but picking the last two automatically gave you a year 12 subject and fulfills the RE component.
In year 12, rather than have classes, I remember every Tuesday fortnight we would have seminars running for most of the day and in those seminars we would cover a whole variety of contemporary issues that young people deal with in life after year 12.
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At my old school (a Christian school), all VCE students had to take Units 1,2,3 and 4 of Texts and Traditions. No exceptions.
A lot of people hated this and did very little work in it hence crap study scores for this subject.
Some who went to church on a regular basis would be like, "I learn this stuff at church; why do I have to learn it again at school?"
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We didn't have to, but most did anyway (school had a way of forcing us into it but making it look like we picked it)
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in the case that u are forced to take 1 of text and traditions or religion and society as a subject, what happens if u aren't a catholic or christian? For example, my cousin goes to a catholic school but she personally has been brought up as a buddhist. Can they still force u to take the subject or in this case can u choose to undertake the subjects that u wish to undertake?
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I don't know if they are actually allowed to force you. Though I imagine they probably can. The question in the given case is: Why are they at a Catholic School?
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in the case that u are forced to take 1 of text and traditions or religion and society as a subject, what happens if u aren't a catholic or christian? For example, my cousin goes to a catholic school but she personally has been brought up as a buddhist. Can they still force u to take the subject or in this case can u choose to undertake the subjects that u wish to undertake?
Most students at the school are followers of the denomination of the school since the school screens out only the ones they want at the time of enrollment and in this case, it's selective based on religion.
However, there will always be people who aren't believers and in their case, they usually pick R&S 1+2 since it doesn't count towards your VCE. Having said that, the school does encourage them to pursue either R&S 3+4 or T+T.
Although I said that they mostly do R&S 1+2, at my school we have had atheists duxing R&S 3+4... So I dunno how that worked lol.
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I on't know if they are actually allowed to force you. Though I imagine they probably can. The question in the given case is: Why are they at a Catholic School?
Yes, it is compulsory and the school does make it one of your year 11 subjects at my school. There haven't been any issues about it from a parent's point of view so the school is fine.
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As m@tty said, they would probably force you because they chose to go to that school, hence accepting (whether they knew it would be compulsory at the time or not) to do an RE subject for VCE.
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That applies for some. I am conjecturing that schools such as Mt Scopus coerce you into doing Religion in VCE by their school rules. Probably Bialik does as well.
Mt Scopus owns Religion in terms of VCE scores lol
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At my school it was compulsory to do Religion in year 11. Most people chose to do Units 1/2 of Religion and Society. But those who realised that we were forced to do decided to make it actually count so they chose either 3/4 Religion and Society or 3/4 Texts and Traditions. There was a fourth, copout option where people could've chosen Art/RE which apparently was a bludge. Good thing is RE wasn't compulsory in year 12
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At my school, we had the option of either doing religion and society unit 2/ethics, or religion and society units 3+4 in year 11. You had to choose either option though. I just chose 3+4 to give myself a chance of making it count, given that I only did 2 3+4's in year 11. Funnily enough, it gave me my equal highest study score.
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I imagine that Religion-y subjects that are compulsory might be worth actually trying in. If students just do it because it's compulsory and aren't interested at all and don't really try, then wouldn't it be easier to get a high raw study score in the subject? (I suppose that doesn't really work for English, but still...)
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I imagine that Religion-y subjects that are compulsory might be worth actually trying in. If students just do it because it's compulsory and aren't interested at all and don't really try, then wouldn't it be easier to get a high raw study score in the subject? (I suppose that doesn't really work for English, but still...)
Religion subjects actually aren't that easy. My friends who did Texts and Traditions found it to be really difficult and the highest in their class was a 36. Texts does scale up by the most 2, whilst Religion and Society stays exactly the same. My 38 went to a 38.01.
Though a lot of students do the subject and don't try that hard, there are still a fair amount of people who put in a massive effort in the subject. It's pretty difficult to get over 40 in RE subjects. Also the exam requires a fair amount of writing. The Texts and Traditions exam requires 10-12 pages of writing within 2 hours. You have 3 10 mark short answer questions, 2 20 mark passage analyses, and 1 30 mark essay. It's like doing the English exam except with one less hour to complete it in
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I went to an exclusively christian school (at least one parent must be a regular church goer) and we did not have to do a scored religion class. We had to do a "subject" called Biblical Studies which turned out to be more of a discussion class on what we believe in terms of our faith and what people of other faiths believe. It was actually really interesting. And when it came close to exam time it became a real vent session... I really enjoyed it. It was a chance to relax and debate [which I enjoy doing... ]. But I know some Christian schools are very strict about doing T&T or Religion.
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I imagine that Religion-y subjects that are compulsory might be worth actually trying in. If students just do it because it's compulsory and aren't interested at all and don't really try, then wouldn't it be easier to get a high raw study score in the subject? (I suppose that doesn't really work for English, but still...)
Religion subjects actually aren't that easy. My friends who did Texts and Traditions found it to be really difficult and the highest in their class was a 36. Texts does scale up by the most 2, whilst Religion and Society stays exactly the same. My 38 went to a 38.01.
Though a lot of students do the subject and don't try that hard, there are still a fair amount of people who put in a massive effort in the subject. It's pretty difficult to get over 40 in RE subjects. Also the exam requires a fair amount of writing. The Texts and Traditions exam requires 10-12 pages of writing within 2 hours. You have 3 10 mark short answer questions, 2 20 mark passage analyses, and 1 30 mark essay. It's like doing the English exam except with one less hour to complete it in
Woah, it was the oppositve at my school. Pretty much all of the class would get over 40 in T&T every year (there'd only be about 10 in the class though). But they taught extremely well to the exam. Xavier was also regularly excellent at T&T, if memory serves.
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At my school it was compulsory to do Religion in year 11. Most people chose to do Units 1/2 of Religion and Society. But those who realised that we were forced to do decided to make it actually count so they chose either 3/4 Religion and Society or 3/4 Texts and Traditions. There was a fourth, copout option where people could've chosen Art/RE which apparently was a bludge. Good thing is RE wasn't compulsory in year 12
same same
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I go to a catholic school. We had to do some form of compulsory religion in year 11 (Either Unit 1/2 OR *JUST* One unit) (Eg I did unit 2 religion + a semester of general math methods (a subject my school made up to cover some of the easier things in methods) ).
In year 12, they've come to the decision that since it is a catholic school (and indeed the biggest one in the state) that you should have to do religion. So they are forcing us to take some kind of religion, either continue on from your unit 1/2 studies and do 3/4 RE as one of your 5 subjects OR do an internal RE as a 6th subject.
The internal RE isnt a proper VCE unit (we had a couple internal choices: Religious Art, Community Service or Contemporary Culture Studies (religion in culture, i chose this one). So now i have 6 subjects and are somewhat disadvantaged compared to someone not doing 6 subjects or being made to do RE like my mate who goes to a private school.
Last year they had a lot of problems with people not showing up to internal RE classes like this, so they got wise. They're making us sign a contract promising to come or otherwise we might not be allowed to attend graduation, the formal, year 12 breakfast, ect.
[Edit: I probably made it sound a bit more pessimistic than i was intending, hopefully it is a bludge subject. Also note it is only one semester in length i think so it leave free periods for the end of year exams, doesnt help science students with mid year exams though..]