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Title: Am I an idiot?
Post by: red bull on January 27, 2010, 02:28:56 am
I approximately spend an extra $285 dollars on tuition outside of school every week. On top of that school fees are around about $16500 a year. Not to mention i have lunch at the canteen almost every day which tallies to a total of $35 per week on food. Plus to get to my accounting tutor we have to drive for 15 minutes to get there, 20 minutes to get to my friends house for free methods tutoring, 20 minutes to get to my economics tutoring and 10 minutes to get to my chinese tutoring.
 
Just in case u are curious: Eco ($60), Chinese ($30), Phys ($60), English ($65), Accounting ($70), Methods(free)

My question is should i reconsider having tuition for all my subjects because my parents work very hard to send me to a good private school and now because of tutoring my dad and mum have to work extra hours. so on weekends they work for a minimum of 5 hours. Plus if i don't get into either monash or melbourne for commerce or engineering my family are going to kill me and plus i will be looked down on by all my friends and relatives

Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: superflya on January 27, 2010, 02:32:00 am
the prices u pay for tutoring are a tad high, ur teachers any good?
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: stonecold on January 27, 2010, 02:35:11 am
It really depends on whether you think the tuition is actually helping you.  If you believe that you are going to do better with tutoring, then it is probably best to retain your tutors, but if not, then look at how you think you would go on your own with help from just friends, teachers and here on VN.

VCE is the type of thing you only want to do once and it is really important that you get it right so you can get into the course/career you want, so do whatever you think will help you achieve your best.

And dw, if i am not careful i can spend $35 in a day on food if i'm careless lol.

....and yeah, they are a bit high superflya.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: red bull on January 27, 2010, 02:37:08 am
yeah most if not all teach at elite private schools. the only exception is my accounting and chinese tutors. Chinese tutor got 97ish and last year my accounting tutor's students all got 40+ for accounting
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: superflya on January 27, 2010, 02:38:15 am
lol 1-2 trips to nandos >35$ -.-
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: red bull on January 27, 2010, 02:40:30 am
the point im trying to make is i feel sorry for my parents. I mean, they have to put in the extra hours to cover for my personal expense. Out of my entire family i am the only 1 who goes to a private school. All my cousins went to public schools and had no tutoring and they all got into monash
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: stonecold on January 27, 2010, 02:43:30 am
lol 1-2 trips to nandos >35$ -.-

haha so true.  especially in the city.  you can't really eat descent food for anything less than $20.

on days where i was poor i would eat sushi because it is awesome and cheap. :)

@ red bull

i know how you feel.  it sucks seeing your parents work really hard all the time.  i think you said somewhere else that your parents make you do tutoring.  if this is the case then you can't really feel guilty.  they are just trying their hardest to make you achieve your best.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: ghadz7 on January 27, 2010, 02:46:18 am
Tutoring is useless, try being an independant learner..
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: red bull on January 27, 2010, 02:51:33 am
Tutoring is useless, try being an independant learner..

Yeah, i think tutoring helps me though. I tried really really really hard in BM last year and only got 36 which scales to 32 i think.  I find it hard in class to pay attention and when i get home i dont know how to do it. Even if i try i will never understand how to do it
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: stonecold on January 27, 2010, 02:56:40 am
Tutoring is useless, try being an independant learner..

i think that is a bit of a generalization.

if you are naturally good at a subject, then yeah tutoring probably ain't going to help you out much.  you have the ability and just need to push yourself to really excel.

on the other hand, if you really struggle with basic concepts and seem to get stuck all the time, the help of a tutor can give you someone to turn to who you can trust and help you build confidence within your own ability by refining your conceptual understanding and learning techniques.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: ghadz7 on January 27, 2010, 02:57:50 am
So what's the point of going to an expensive school? Go to a cheaper school and use the 'saved' money for tutoring.

Are you planning ot get a tutor for every subject in uni?
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: stonecold on January 27, 2010, 03:00:47 am
^ i agree ghadz, this is what i did.  i go to tafe now because it is cheaper and i just prefer it and it gives me money to spend on other areas of my education.

that having been said, it is obviously a bit late for her to move schools now.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: ghadz7 on January 27, 2010, 03:04:46 am
Stonecold, did you have Further tutoring?
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: stonecold on January 27, 2010, 03:05:53 am
nah.  i'm just having it for my english subjects this year.  i need major help with it.

btw 16 y.o. and a 46 in methods is a fair effort. well done.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: Akirus on January 27, 2010, 03:06:53 am
While tutors may seem an easy solution to your problems, there are other ways to compensate for it. Economical concerns withstanding, this is something you should probably consider for your own good.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: kenhung123 on January 27, 2010, 03:08:18 am
I think there are cheaper tutors out there. If your willing to study, have confidence that you can get into monash :)
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: red bull on January 27, 2010, 03:10:52 am
So what's the point of going to an expensive school? Go to a cheaper school and use the 'saved' money for tutoring.

Are you planning ot get a tutor for every subject in uni?

my parents dont want me to go to a public school coz they feel i might get brought up in the wrong way. 1 of my cousins developed his smoking habits from peer-pressure and at one point he took an ecstasy tablet and had to go to hospital. Also my parents feel all good teachers primarily teach at private schools coz of the attractive salaries.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: ghadz7 on January 27, 2010, 03:14:38 am
Well some private schools are cheaper than $16500.

You said you don't concentrate in class so how does it matter if the teacher is good or bad?
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: red bull on January 27, 2010, 03:16:35 am
I think there are cheaper tutors out there. If your willing to study, have confidence that you can get into monash :)

yeah, but what i have found is most tutors around the $30 range are mostly students with little experience in tutoring. My parents want 'teachers' to tutor me if u know what i mean. They believe teachers know how to make students understand concepts coz they do it for a living whereas a student may know the course very well but it doesn't necessarily mean they know how to teach  
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: Akirus on January 27, 2010, 03:17:01 am
So what's the point of going to an expensive school? Go to a cheaper school and use the 'saved' money for tutoring.

Are you planning ot get a tutor for every subject in uni?

my parents dont want me to go to a public school coz they feel i might get brought up in the wrong way. 1 of my cousins developed his smoking habits from peer-pressure and at one point he took an ecstasy tablet and had to go to hospital. Also my parents feel all good teachers primarily teach at private schools coz of the attractive salaries.

That's more up to you than your school or teachers. Things like tutors are helpful but not necessary, as such. Like I said in my previous post, give it some thought and you'll find any number of means to compensate. Your problems, both academically and economically, stem from your attempt to "buy" results (unfortunately, save for bribing the education department, it doesn't work this way).

And frankly, as far as I'm concerned, there's no teacher good enough to warrant paying 15-20k a year for (not willing to argue this one, just an opinion).
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: stonecold on January 27, 2010, 03:18:01 am
i think you should just not worry about it and go about school as normal, put your head down and work as hard as possible, and by years end your hard work will pay off and you will be like i can't believe i was worrying at the start of the year.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: red bull on January 27, 2010, 03:21:49 am
Well some private schools are cheaper than $16500.

You said you don't concentrate in class so how does it matter if the teacher is good or bad?

i said i find it hard to concentrate, but a good teacher can make alot of difference. I used to go to extra schooling outside of school when i was in yrs 8,9,10 and the teacher was trying to teach me about polynomials and i didn't know what the hell she was going on about. So on monday morning i asked my maths teacher and he explained it to me in 5 minutes and i instantly knew how to do the questions
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: kenhung123 on January 27, 2010, 03:25:40 am
Well as you say, they seem to help you a lot so I guess it would be good to stay with them. Work together with your parents by studying hard and use them for motivation. Don't let them down.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: kyzoo on January 27, 2010, 11:29:02 am
I don't know enough about your situation to make a judgement, but if they really help you, then keep them.

My opinion of tutors is the same as Akirus' - it's delusional to think of them as a failsafe catalyst for good results. Don't buy into the conventional wisdom that the mere fact you have a tutor will help your scores; tutors aren't magical beings who bless you with their very presence. IMO, a tutor hinders top students.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: ninwa on January 27, 2010, 11:30:22 am
I think there are cheaper tutors out there. If your willing to study, have confidence that you can get into monash :)

yeah, but what i have found is most tutors around the $30 range are mostly students with little experience in tutoring. My parents want 'teachers' to tutor me if u know what i mean. They believe teachers know how to make students understand concepts coz they do it for a living whereas a student may know the course very well but it doesn't necessarily mean they know how to teach  

That's not true, have a look at the "advertising" board of the tutoring forum, there are so many talented students out there with excellent scores and tutoring experience who don't charge $60/hour - which is frankly a ridiculous amount to charge, you could get the same quality tutor for half that price.

Also, students have certain advantages over teachers. To steal a quote from the XLL revision lectures, as recent graduates we've gone through the process, we know what areas are difficult to understand, and we can still remember the pathways we took to understand those topics - whereas teachers generally did their degrees decades ago and most can't remember what it was like to learn and struggle.

You already have teachers at school, sometimes it's useful to get assistance from a fellow student's point of view.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: appianway on January 27, 2010, 12:19:51 pm
Maybe you should drop the tutors, and have something like one session a month if you don't understand the material.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: Albeno69 on January 27, 2010, 12:25:31 pm
Maybe you should drop the tutors, and have something like one session a month if you don't understand the material.
but you woudnt want to get to far behind because then you may not be able to catch up.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: appianway on January 27, 2010, 12:27:09 pm
Or maybe just seek help when there are problems?

Personally, I don't see the point of sitting through tuition if you understand most of the material... you'd be better off doing some private study.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: *ryan777* on January 27, 2010, 12:50:32 pm
I think there are cheaper tutors out there. If your willing to study, have confidence that you can get into monash :)

yeah, but what i have found is most tutors around the $30 range are mostly students with little experience in tutoring. My parents want 'teachers' to tutor me if u know what i mean. They believe teachers know how to make students understand concepts coz they do it for a living whereas a student may know the course very well but it doesn't necessarily mean they know how to teach 

That's not true, have a look at the "advertising" board of the tutoring forum, there are so many talented students out there with excellent scores and tutoring experience who don't charge $60/hour - which is frankly a ridiculous amount to charge, you could get the same quality tutor for half that price.

Also, students have certain advantages over teachers. To steal a quote from the XLL revision lectures, as recent graduates we've gone through the process, we know what areas are difficult to understand, and we can still remember the pathways we took to understand those topics - whereas teachers generally did their degrees decades ago and most can't remember what it was like to learn and struggle.

You already have teachers at school, sometimes it's useful to get assistance from a fellow student's point of view.

+1
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: danielf on January 27, 2010, 01:19:22 pm
Grrrr....why does everybody ignore RMIT? I know you said your parents would be upset if you don't get into Monash or Melbourne but RMIT is terrific. I had the choice. And I chose RMIT. Even if it has lower scores. The course is terrific, so are the facilities. I have only completed first year but already I got offered civil engineering vacation work. At work all the people in the highest position are RMIT grads. And my bosses say they love RMIT engineering grads.
I don't work for RMIT. But maybe explain to ur parents that for engineering (no idea about commerce - although the MBA (i guess it would reflect on all of commerce) at Deakin is ranked best in Australia) there are lower-entry, and (IMO) better courses than those at Melb/Monash.

As for feeling bad - I guess you could just have peanut butter sandwiches everyday like I did. All you have to do is buy a loaf of bread every do often. Thats cuts down on $35.

Also, I agree with ninwa (NOTE THIS IS NOT A PERSONAL PLUG - I DON'T EVEN TUTOR ANY OF YOUR SUBJECTS (except methods but if you are gettin that for free, don't change now)). There are plenty of good tutors out there that are much cheaper. But stick with what is working for you. If you go well on the first set of SACS, keep the tutors. Do some external tests to test yourself. If its working, don't rock the boat. But if you find you're getting charged $70ph for accounting and you get C+ on the first SAC - it's time to look for someone else.

Patience my friend. Just remember, your parents only have to do this for one more year. There are plenty more years after that for them to lounge around whilst you work your ass off establishing yourself as an engineer.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: Master on January 27, 2010, 01:24:14 pm
I feel the same. I have tuition and piano. But I don't think you need to have tutors for all your subjects. Only for the ones you aren't doing as well in.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: danielf on January 27, 2010, 01:28:43 pm
Here is another suggestion:
Get tutors that tutor more than one of the subjects you study. Maximise driving efficiency.

As for staying focused in class. I had the very same problem. BUT I found that when I did the material at home before the class did, I was really switched on in class. I knew what was going on. THEN is when a good private school teacher comes into play. Because they teach little things that can come in really useful. If you havn't already covered the material, you'll miss those little things.

So yeah, make sure your tutors are well ahead of the class. It will help incredibly.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: kenhung123 on January 27, 2010, 01:45:11 pm
IMO, a tutor hinders top students.
Why?
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: Akirus on January 27, 2010, 01:57:39 pm
IMO, a tutor hinders top students.
Why?

Inefficient use of time, restricting your thinking/self exploration etc, etc.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: kyzoo on January 27, 2010, 02:10:41 pm
There are times when you need help, there are times when you should think for yourself. When you need to think for yourself, it's a waste of time to seek help, and visa versa. Tutors mostly impair your ability to think for yourself.

That being said, I'm not denouncing seeking help from others, I've been guilty this year of trying to figure out everything by myself and not seeking enough help - too individual.

So the key is balance, and both activities are equally essential. It's just that relying too much on tutors enacts an imbalance.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: m@tty on January 27, 2010, 02:19:37 pm
Don't rely on your tutor to spoon feed you, instead, drive the sessions yourself. Look over the material before you go, create questions which will increase the productivity of your session, as well as show you how much help you really need -- if it is minimal, maybe just ask your questions here, on VN.
Be active, in doing this you have the benefits of BOTH independent learning and personal instruction. If you have good teachers, you can do this with them, if not, then maybe a tutor is best.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: darkphoenix on January 27, 2010, 11:17:44 pm
Its up to you, if it helps do it, if not you can always try and study hard yourself.

Also I dont think you really need a tutor for Accounting, you just need a lot of practice and dedication to score high.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: slothpomba on January 28, 2010, 05:08:08 am
When i say this read it carefully and really think about it, i mean it.

I know it's a cliche to say this but as long as you have tried your absolute best and put everything you had into it and i mean everything, you cant be at fault and you will surely succeed.

Try your hardest and honor your parents.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: jejak on January 28, 2010, 10:59:37 am
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So the key is balance, and both activities are equally essential. It's just that relying too much on tutors enacts an imbalance.

Not only does too great a reliance on tutoring cause an imbalance in the student's learning process (less independent thought/more spoonfeeding), but in my experience, also an "imbalance" of sorts in the student's study time. If you are being tutored in every subject, how much control do you have over when you study and what you study? Having a tutor is helpful in some respects, but only you can know how much time you need to study for each individual subject - or when the concepts have "clicked." I fear that, with tutoring, comes the danger that you spend all your time being tutored, rather than learning. For better or worse, I have found that the "aha!" moments that are so crucial to learning have only ever occurred in my own, private study time, usually at around 2 AM :D.

Tutoring shouldn't be such a huge time commitment that it robs you of control over your learning process.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: midas_touch on January 29, 2010, 12:22:28 am
Agree with the sentiment that you cannot get too over reliant with tutoring. The objective of a tutor is to guide and steer you in the right direction, you still have to do all the walking.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: slothpomba on March 07, 2010, 08:01:11 pm
If your parents can afford to send you to some fancy private school i wouldnt worry about the tutors
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Post by: physics on March 07, 2010, 08:20:41 pm
If your parents can afford to send you to some fancy private school i wouldnt worry about the tutors
this doens't apply for me :(
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: Andiio on October 01, 2010, 12:26:58 am
Look; at the end of the day, if it helps, it helps. That's what your parents want to do FOR YOU by getting you these tutors. I have had similar worries about my parents as I really love them and appreciate and am so so very thankful for all the hard work they put in for me. (Though not as extreme, I only have one tutor atm for extension on 3/4 english o_O) However I will probably have a few more tutors next year; but hey, it's all up to you buddy. You only get to do VCE once. This is your only chance to excel, and if you need the tutors, then you need them. Don't waste all the hard work your parents have put in for you.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: crayolé on October 01, 2010, 02:58:00 am
Nice bump dude ;]
I fail to see how people manage to stumble upon these 7 month old topics

May as well contribute while I'm here, I completely agree with kyzoo, if you can learn concepts yourself, tutors would only be a hinderance.
Tutoring was the worst decision I made in VCE. I started the year thinking a tutor was an absolute necessity in getting a high ENTER. I came here, got a tutor for every one of my subjects (two for english), went to engage etc. Most of them could teach pretty good (Truetears (h)) but I'd come home at 9pm on some weekdays and waste my whole weekends learning things I could have just picked up by reading the damn textbook. Ended up spending close to a thousand of my own money before I realised I was wasting my time.
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: RainerWolfram on October 01, 2010, 05:17:15 am
Nice bump dude ;]
I fail to see how people manage to stumble upon these 7 month old topics

May as well contribute while I'm here, I completely agree with kyzoo, if you can learn concepts yourself, tutors would only be a hinderance.
Tutoring was the worst decision I made in VCE. I started the year thinking a tutor was an absolute necessity in getting a high ENTER. I came here, got a tutor for every one of my subjects (two for english), went to engage etc. Most of them could teach pretty good (Truetears (h)) but I'd come home at 9pm on some weekdays and waste my whole weekends learning things I could have just picked up by reading the damn textbook. Ended up spending close to a thousand of my own money before I realised I was wasting my time.

+1

The real game begins at University. No tuition. No hacks. No text guides. Everything is about active and independent learning.

A large proportion of fishes went to elite and renowned schools. A smaller proportion of fishes went to crappy and inexpensive educational institutions.  One day, all these fishes suddenly vanished and found themselves in another reality; a large ocean called Universeaty. There was this crazy philosophical fish under the name of danieltennis. He was lost in this reality. Usually, a catfish called Master Jack Nguyen taught many of the smaller fishes in the south-eastern region of the sea. He compressed concepts to a minimal state to help all his fishes avoid the mighty and deadly baits by the all the fishermen in the local sea. Danieltennis was a victim of Master Jack's learning. He was spoon fed by this catfish. The teaching methods of Jack was not appropriate and the right way to teach his students . While Jack did help danieltennis in his small sea, it was no help for Danieltennis when he applied Master Jack's simplistic concepts in this new reality. The compression of concepts led danieltennis to his downfall. He struggled. Baits fell everywhere from the sky. Bait after bait, he struggled until he was caught by a fisherman under the name of kurrymuncher. KM reeled the fishing line in to grab hold of his precious. Once danieltennis was in visible sight, KM complained, "what a smelly and ugly fish" and threw him back to the sea. Danieltennis was given a second chance of life. A feather in hand is better then a bird in the air. He plunged down to the bottom of the sea and reevaluated everything. He let loose of the things the catfish taught him and started afresh. He remained at the bottom of the sea for months and months learning and learning by himself. He learnt things differently and most importantly, fervently. He came back in Semester 2 with a vigorous and enthusiastic mind. From that moment on, there is not one single bait that can lure him in. Education is not received. It is achieved. And this is what danieltennis learned. The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.

Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: wildareal on October 01, 2010, 07:35:08 am
Nice bump dude ;]
I fail to see how people manage to stumble upon these 7 month old topics

May as well contribute while I'm here, I completely agree with kyzoo, if you can learn concepts yourself, tutors would only be a hinderance.
Tutoring was the worst decision I made in VCE. I started the year thinking a tutor was an absolute necessity in getting a high ENTER. I came here, got a tutor for every one of my subjects (two for english), went to engage etc. Most of them could teach pretty good (Truetears (h)) but I'd come home at 9pm on some weekdays and waste my whole weekends learning things I could have just picked up by reading the damn textbook. Ended up spending close to a thousand of my own money before I realised I was wasting my time.

+1

The real game begins at University. No tuition. No hacks. No text guides. Everything is about active and independent learning.

A large proportion of fishes went to elite and renowned schools. A smaller proportion of fishes went to crappy and inexpensive educational institutions.  One day, all these fishes suddenly vanished and found themselves in another reality; a large ocean called Universeaty. There was this crazy philosophical fish under the name of danieltennis. He was lost in this reality. Usually, a catfish called Master Jack Nguyen taught many of the smaller fishes in the south-eastern region of the sea. He compressed concepts to a minimal state to help all his fishes avoid the mighty and deadly baits by the all the fishermen in the local sea. Danieltennis was a victim of Master Jack's learning. He was spoon fed by this catfish. The teaching methods of Jack was not appropriate and the right way to teach his students . While Jack did help danieltennis in his small sea, it was no help for Danieltennis when he applied Master Jack's simplistic concepts in this new reality. The compression of concepts led danieltennis to his downfall. He struggled. Baits fell everywhere from the sky. Bait after bait, he struggled until he was caught by a fisherman under the name of kurrymuncher. KM reeled the fishing line in to grab hold of his precious. Once danieltennis was in visible sight, KM complained, "what a smelly and ugly fish" and threw him back to the sea. Danieltennis was given a second chance of life. A feather in hand is better then a bird in the air. He plunged down to the bottom of the sea and reevaluated everything. He let loose of the things the catfish taught him and started afresh. He remained at the bottom of the sea for months and months learning and learning by himself. He learnt things differently and most importantly, fervently. He came back in Semester 2 with a vigorous and enthusiastic mind. From that moment on, there is not one single bait that can lure him in. Education is not received. It is achieved. And this is what danieltennis learned. The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.



I have kept a book of all danieltennis' entries, he should be a philosopher/life-coach-they are so inspiring!
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: amir_mvp on November 02, 2010, 09:16:30 pm
would you recommed your economics tutor?
in dire need for one. I want to get a head start during the holidays, could u give out their details if recommended :)
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: JinXi on November 03, 2010, 07:28:59 pm
When I do better than those guys that goes to tutor, I feel that I've achieved something. This is the mentality that pushed me through my entire high school.I feel that if I went to a tutor, I would feel overconfident, and I would lose my drive to perform well.

Btw I go to a State school and the teachers aren't what u call good. It just depends on how you study.

I know some people who needs to study in groups/tutors, while others can study fine by themselves.

P.S. Always have an aim, always believe that you can achieve it, always work towards it, and you would never perform badly.


Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: ariawuu on December 25, 2010, 08:37:13 pm
best to do things yourself, lol i know this is irrelevant to you know but hope you went well !
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: EMAHER on January 11, 2011, 01:40:30 pm
Since you go to a good private schools aren't your teachers good? Or willing to help you outside hours?
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: fuzzylogic on January 11, 2011, 03:48:15 pm
IMO, a tutor hinders top students.
Why?


Inefficient use of time, restricting your thinking/self exploration etc, etc.

a tutor hinders top students?  I don't mean to gloat, but I happened to have tutors in all of my subjects.  I don't feel...uh, hindered in anyway.  quite on the contrary, i think my tutors opened up a whole new world to me.  goodness knows without my wonderful english tutor's constant help on top of my equally wonderful school teacher, my english would have been a fiasco. 
I think it depends what kind of tutor you have...all of mine taught at elite private schools too, but they were willing to work around me.  whatever i wanted to do, they did with me and when i didn't have a particular area i wanted to go over, they extended me.  for example my french tutor and i did language analysis in french LOL. 
if you think you benefit from tutoring, then i say, continue, because as people have said earlier, you only do VCE once.  don't want to have any regrets.  also, in relation to the statement that you don't have tutors in uni, if you rely on tutors in vce how will you cope in uni...in my opinion, there are so many people with tutors in VCE (at my school, 90% of students from year 10 would have tutors, i think), if you're someone who would benefit from tutors, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage by not having one yourself.  It really is an uneven playing field.  And VCE is a harsh game.   In university, it's much more level...basically nobody has tutors, you rely on your 'uni tutors', and friends and lecturers.  So i think, even those who have relied on tutors in VCE will be fine in uni :)
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: Chavi on January 11, 2011, 04:08:58 pm
IMO, a tutor hinders top students.
Why?


Inefficient use of time, restricting your thinking/self exploration etc, etc.

a tutor hinders top students?  I don't mean to gloat, but I happened to have tutors in all of my subjects.  I don't feel...uh, hindered in anyway.  quite on the contrary, i think my tutors opened up a whole new world to me.  goodness knows without my wonderful english tutor's constant help on top of my equally wonderful school teacher, my english would have been a fiasco.  
I think it depends what kind of tutor you have...all of mine taught at elite private schools too, but they were willing to work around me.  whatever i wanted to do, they did with me and when i didn't have a particular area i wanted to go over, they extended me.  for example my french tutor and i did language analysis in french LOL.  
if you think you benefit from tutoring, then i say, continue, because as people have said earlier, you only do VCE once.  don't want to have any regrets.  also, in relation to the statement that you don't have tutors in uni, if you rely on tutors in vce how will you cope in uni...in my opinion, there are so many people with tutors in VCE (at my school, 90% of students from year 10 would have tutors, i think), if you're someone who would benefit from tutors, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage by not having one yourself.  It really is an uneven playing field.  And VCE is a harsh game.   In university, it's much more level...basically nobody has tutors, you rely on your 'uni tutors', and friends and lecturers.  So i think, even those who have relied on tutors in VCE will be fine in uni :)
It's an uneven playing field because VCE has degenerated into a competition for who can afford the best tutors. How many times have we heard: "I'm sooo crap at English and can't put two words together, but my tutor trained me to get a 50"?
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: fuzzylogic on January 11, 2011, 04:46:30 pm
IMO, a tutor hinders top students.
Why?


Inefficient use of time, restricting your thinking/self exploration etc, etc.

a tutor hinders top students?  I don't mean to gloat, but I happened to have tutors in all of my subjects.  I don't feel...uh, hindered in anyway.  quite on the contrary, i think my tutors opened up a whole new world to me.  goodness knows without my wonderful english tutor's constant help on top of my equally wonderful school teacher, my english would have been a fiasco. 
I think it depends what kind of tutor you have...all of mine taught at elite private schools too, but they were willing to work around me.  whatever i wanted to do, they did with me and when i didn't have a particular area i wanted to go over, they extended me.  for example my french tutor and i did language analysis in french LOL. 
if you think you benefit from tutoring, then i say, continue, because as people have said earlier, you only do VCE once.  don't want to have any regrets.  also, in relation to the statement that you don't have tutors in uni, if you rely on tutors in vce how will you cope in uni...in my opinion, there are so many people with tutors in VCE (at my school, 90% of students from year 10 would have tutors, i think), if you're someone who would benefit from tutors, you're putting yourself at a disadvantage by not having one yourself.  It really is an uneven playing field.  And VCE is a harsh game.   In university, it's much more level...basically nobody has tutors, you rely on your 'uni tutors', and friends and lecturers.  So i think, even those who have relied on tutors in VCE will be fine in uni :)
It's an uneven playing field because VCE has degenerated into a competition for who can afford the best tutors. How many times have we heard: "I'm sooo crap at English and can't put two words together, but my tutor trained me to get a 50"?

I don't think you can say that a tutor 'trains' you to get a fifty.  There are students who have tutors and still don't do well...it comes down to how hard a student works and a tutor just lights the spark in them, like a teacher!
Title: Re: Am I an idiot?
Post by: TrueTears on January 11, 2011, 07:56:56 pm
Nice bump dude ;]
I fail to see how people manage to stumble upon these 7 month old topics

May as well contribute while I'm here, I completely agree with kyzoo, if you can learn concepts yourself, tutors would only be a hinderance.
Tutoring was the worst decision I made in VCE. I started the year thinking a tutor was an absolute necessity in getting a high ENTER. I came here, got a tutor for every one of my subjects (two for english), went to engage etc. Most of them could teach pretty good (Truetears (h)) but I'd come home at 9pm on some weekdays and waste my whole weekends learning things I could have just picked up by reading the damn textbook. Ended up spending close to a thousand of my own money before I realised I was wasting my time.

+1

The real game begins at University. No tuition. No hacks. No text guides. Everything is about active and independent learning.

A large proportion of fishes went to elite and renowned schools. A smaller proportion of fishes went to crappy and inexpensive educational institutions.  One day, all these fishes suddenly vanished and found themselves in another reality; a large ocean called Universeaty. There was this crazy philosophical fish under the name of danieltennis. He was lost in this reality. Usually, a catfish called Master Jack Nguyen taught many of the smaller fishes in the south-eastern region of the sea. He compressed concepts to a minimal state to help all his fishes avoid the mighty and deadly baits by the all the fishermen in the local sea. Danieltennis was a victim of Master Jack's learning. He was spoon fed by this catfish. The teaching methods of Jack was not appropriate and the right way to teach his students . While Jack did help danieltennis in his small sea, it was no help for Danieltennis when he applied Master Jack's simplistic concepts in this new reality. The compression of concepts led danieltennis to his downfall. He struggled. Baits fell everywhere from the sky. Bait after bait, he struggled until he was caught by a fisherman under the name of kurrymuncher. KM reeled the fishing line in to grab hold of his precious. Once danieltennis was in visible sight, KM complained, "what a smelly and ugly fish" and threw him back to the sea. Danieltennis was given a second chance of life. A feather in hand is better then a bird in the air. He plunged down to the bottom of the sea and reevaluated everything. He let loose of the things the catfish taught him and started afresh. He remained at the bottom of the sea for months and months learning and learning by himself. He learnt things differently and most importantly, fervently. He came back in Semester 2 with a vigorous and enthusiastic mind. From that moment on, there is not one single bait that can lure him in. Education is not received. It is achieved. And this is what danieltennis learned. The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education.



I have kept a book of all danieltennis' entries, he should be a philosopher/life-coach-they are so inspiring!
haha what danieltennis said is sooooo true, independent learning is a skill that must be developed, because in uni no one will help you as much as you can help yourself. I have mates who has gotten 97 for ENTER at elite private schools and are now kicked out of their course at Monash because they dont know how to study and learn by themselves.