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Uni Stuff => Universities - Victoria => Monash University => Topic started by: *ryan777* on January 28, 2010, 08:18:47 pm
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hey um, if im doing a language unit this year (jap) when do i sit my placement/ability test and will monash tell me to do it, or do i have to go make an appointment etc?
also ive enrolled in level 3 (due to forgeting everything :P ) but what happens if they decide i should do another level? do i have to change my entire timetable to accomadate for it?
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I think everyone does the test at the same time, on 22/2 or something. The times are on the diploma of languages website I believe.
also ive enrolled in level 3
I think that level is only for those that failed VCE Jap, badly D: Do level 5!! 6 years or so of language study at school can't possibly equal one year of uni lol. (The quality of teaching maybe, or is that just my school?).
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I think everyone does the test at the same time, on 22/2 or something. The times are on the diploma of languages website I believe.
also ive enrolled in level 3
I think that level is only for those that failed VCE Jap, badly D: Do level 5!! 6 years or so of language study at school can't possibly equal one year of uni lol. (The quality of teaching maybe, or is that just my school?).
i know i know, i feel so bad, but ive forgoten so much
also i checked the required kanji for doing level 5...and it seems quite a bit more than what i did in vce
that brings up another question tho, what does monash see as being a good or bad result in vce jap?
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This doesn't relate to your question Ryan, but this link provides a good starting point for anyone needing to sit a language placement test at Monash:
http://arts.monash.edu.au/lcl/placement-tests.php
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I think everyone does the test at the same time, on 22/2 or something. The times are on the diploma of languages website I believe.
also ive enrolled in level 3
I think that level is only for those that failed VCE Jap, badly D: Do level 5!! 6 years or so of language study at school can't possibly equal one year of uni lol. (The quality of teaching maybe, or is that just my school?).
btw what level r u starting at?
judging by ur awesome ss u could possibly start at 7?
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Ryan what was your VCE Jap score..?
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I think everyone does the test at the same time, on 22/2 or something. The times are on the diploma of languages website I believe.
also ive enrolled in level 3
I think that level is only for those that failed VCE Jap, badly D: Do level 5!! 6 years or so of language study at school can't possibly equal one year of uni lol. (The quality of teaching maybe, or is that just my school?).
btw what level r u starting at?
judging by ur awesome ss u could possibly start at 7?
Yeah... what level have you decided you'll try and enter at?
Will you just roll with the results of your placement test, or did you have a preference for level 5 or 7?
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unfortunately due to the constraints of my double degree I'll start the Diploma of Languages from second semester, pending first semester uni results =\ That may complicate things, and make starting at a higher level impossible.
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unfortunately due to the constraints of my double degree I'll start the Diploma of Languages from second semester, pending first semester uni results =\ That may complicate things, and make starting at a higher level impossible.
how does it make it impossible?
isnt there a mid year placement test too? u can just prove ur skills then :)
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Ryan what was your VCE Jap score..?
36
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unfortunately due to the constraints of my double degree I'll start the Diploma of Languages from second semester, pending first semester uni results =\ That may complicate things, and make starting at a higher level impossible.
Hmm... in that case, keep everything fresh in your mind and try for level 6.
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I intend to join Japanese club to
pick up Jap chicks improve my Jap =]
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unfortunately due to the constraints of my double degree I'll start the Diploma of Languages from second semester, pending first semester uni results =\ That may complicate things, and make starting at a higher level impossible.
how does it make it impossible?
isnt there a mid year placement test too? u can just prove ur skills then :)
Individual mid-year placement tests are organised for the few that want to start mid-year... I think Yano-sensei organises them...
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I intend to join Japanese club to pick up Jap chicks improve my Jap =]
LOL ><
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I intend to join Japanese club to pick up Jap chicks improve my Jap =]
Ah, I mite see you in Jap club then~!
I'm not Jap though, so :P
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I intend to join Japanese club to pick up Jap chicks improve my Jap =]
Ah, I mite see you in Jap club then~!
I'm not Jap though, so :P
what do u do there?
i wanna join but want info
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Ryan what was your VCE Jap score..?
36
Ryan... I'm level 3 this semester... I'm only expected to know around 125 kanji... I know about 150 though... surely you know more than that?
36 is a good, solid SS... I'm inclined to think you'll get bored in level 3... I can tell you the content if you want..? I have the txtbook.
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Ryan what was your VCE Jap score..?
36
Ryan... I'm level 3 this semester... I'm only expected to know around 125 kanji... I know about 150 though... surely you know more than that?
36 is a good, solid SS... I'm inclined to think you'll get bored in level 3... I can tell you the content if you want..? I have the txtbook.
yes please,
i am a bit confused, level 3=too easy, level5=too hard :(
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36 is a pretty high score for Jap. You also seem pretty interested in it from what I can see. Level 3 will most likely bore you from lack of progress from VCE =\
"too hard" just adds to the fun =]
that sounded wrong but anyway.
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I intend to join Japanese club to pick up Jap chicks improve my Jap =]
Ah, I mite see you in Jap club then~!
I'm not Jap though, so :P
what do u do there?
i wanna join but want info
They'll market themselves to you at the Clubs Carnival during O'Week... you'll be able to ask them *all* about what they're planning for the year.
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from reading http://arts.monash.edu.au/japanese/ugrad/placement.php level 3 looks basically like a bit under VCE to VCE level, and level 5 looks like VCE extended, with significantly more Kanji. According to the thingy even during level 5 you'll be learning a lot of VCE level stuff, but just more in depth.
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from reading http://arts.monash.edu.au/japanese/ugrad/placement.php level 3 looks basically like a bit under VCE to VCE level, and level 5 looks like VCE extended, with significantly more Kanji.
Pretty much... levels 3 and 4 are equivalent to VCE Jap.
I'll go fetch my txtbook Ryan.
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from reading http://arts.monash.edu.au/japanese/ugrad/placement.php level 3 looks basically like a bit under VCE to VCE level, and level 5 looks like VCE extended, with significantly more Kanji. According to the thingy even during level 5 you'll be learning a lot of VCE level stuff, but just more in depth.
thats initially what put me off level 5 in the 1st place
kanji is my #1 weakness in jap
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from reading http://arts.monash.edu.au/japanese/ugrad/placement.php level 3 looks basically like a bit under VCE to VCE level, and level 5 looks like VCE extended, with significantly more Kanji. According to the thingy even during level 5 you'll be learning a lot of VCE level stuff, but just more in depth.
thats initially what put me off level 5 in the 1st place
kanji is my #1 weakness in jap
that's good, Kanji is more crammable than everything else =P
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from reading http://arts.monash.edu.au/japanese/ugrad/placement.php level 3 looks basically like a bit under VCE to VCE level, and level 5 looks like VCE extended, with significantly more Kanji. According to the thingy even during level 5 you'll be learning a lot of VCE level stuff, but just more in depth.
thats initially what put me off level 5 in the 1st place
kanji is my #1 weakness in jap
Really?
I find kanji to be quite easy and fun... it's grammar I dislike trying to learn... I have a natural aptitude for languages though, so I never seem to have too much trouble.
Anywayz:
Level 3 utilises the last 2 chapters of the Yookoso 1 textbook... the rest was done in levels 1 and 2.
The textbook is designed in a way that gives each chapter a theme.
Level 1 covered "classroom" and "community".
Level 2 covered "everyday life", "family", "weather" and "hobbies".
For level 3 the broad vocabulary themes are "food" and "shopping".
Kanji:
思、終、始、物、肉、事、茶、酒、池、泳、河、泣、油、温、湿
牛、鳥、湯、野、魚、味、悪、料、化、仲、働、虫、風、仏、独
理、米、品、和、洋、夜、言、貝、訪、試、験、説、明、相、談
同、長、市、場、主、電、売、買、着、切、円、引、安、店、員
色、黒、白、青、赤、黄、服、返、花、屋、暗、草、若、荷、星
私、京、都、寺、神、社、内、曲、目、机、板、森、鯨、鰯、鮪、鮫
所、予、約、車、早、歩、旅、館、乗、字、宿、寝、宮、官、守
待、駅、止、客、地、図、海、持、拾、折、包、抱、王、玉、宝
新、聞、公、園、住、階、広、直、戸、古、門、室、親、両、苦
伝、洗、建、友、貸、借、置、静、庭、便、利、不、覚、争、健
Grammar:
1st Chapter:
ta-form + ことがある
expressing desire (I assume this is たい form, but obviously I haven't learned about this yet)
expressing an opinion
expressing intention
~すぎる
indirect quotation という
te-form verbs + みる、しまう、いく、くる
convey simultaneous action ～なから
2nd Chapter:
expressing *when* something happens (as in, the point in time... think 時)
indefinite pronoun の
～たら conditional
expressing purpose using に
reporting hearsay そうだ
expressing whether or not かどうか
giving reasons ...し、...し
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hmm, yeah, those grammar patterns seem riduculosly easy (for me)
i guess i can just spend the next few weeks going through the kanji i dont know yet and start at level 5
thanks for pushing me in the right direction (both of u) :)
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http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/french/ugrad/enrolment-info.php
According to this page, French is a little different. Apparently placement is based on a 200 word piece we have to write and send in. However, prior to doing so we're supposed to "seek French Studies Program approval for enrolment in appropriate units on enrolment day." Pretty annoyed to discover this now as I already had my enrolment today. What do you guys think - is seeking approval in person entirely necessary or can I just call them up?
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http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/french/ugrad/enrolment-info.php
According to this page, French is a little different. Apparently placement is based on a 200 word piece we have to write and send in. However, prior to doing so we're supposed to "seek French Studies Program approval for enrolment in appropriate units on enrolment day." Pretty annoyed to discover this now as I already had my enrolment today. What do you guys think - is seeking approval in person entirely necessary or can I just call them up?
id definatly call them first
i think u should still b able to do french, enrolment week doesnt end till tmr so perhaps they could squeze u in somewhere?
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http://www.arts.monash.edu.au/french/ugrad/enrolment-info.php
According to this page, French is a little different. Apparently placement is based on a 200 word piece we have to write and send in. However, prior to doing so we're supposed to "seek French Studies Program approval for enrolment in appropriate units on enrolment day." Pretty annoyed to discover this now as I already had my enrolment today. What do you guys think - is seeking approval in person entirely necessary or can I just call them up?
For anyone else wondering a similar thing, I called and there is no need to go in. Simply complete the level 3 test if you got below 30, level 5 if you got above 30. "Seeking approval before enrolment" is most likely just a way of clarifying that information to confused students.
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btw, does the bus/eco faculty allow students to comence the dip.lang from sem1?
i asked the course advisor person at enrolment and i then went to the faculty afterwards and got 2 different answers
im kinda worried as ive been told that without the dip.lang i may not b able to do a double major (assuming i do jap units anyway)
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btw, does the bus/eco faculty allow students to comence the dip.lang from sem1?
i asked the course advisor person at enrolment and i then went to the faculty afterwards and got 2 different answers
im kinda worried as ive been told that without the dip.lang i may not b able to do a double major (assuming i do jap units anyway)
The Commerce faculty wouldn't let me commence the Diploma of Languages until second semester =\ But I'm doing a double degree, so I don't exactly have any spare units. As you're doing a B.Eco, you'll most likely be allowed to commence the Diploma of Languages from semester 1, as you have so many free units anyway.
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btw, does the bus/eco faculty allow students to comence the dip.lang from sem1?
i asked the course advisor person at enrolment and i then went to the faculty afterwards and got 2 different answers
im kinda worried as ive been told that without the dip.lang i may not b able to do a double major (assuming i do jap units anyway)
The Commerce faculty wouldn't let me commence the Diploma of Languages until second semester =\ But I'm doing a double degree, so I don't exactly have any spare units. As you're doing a B.Eco, you'll most likely be allowed to commence the Diploma of Languages from semester 1, as you have so many free units anyway.
yeah i can do it, but the course advisor guy said something about not being able to complete a double major tho :P
but after talking to both arts and com faculty i think i can enrol in the diploma and straighten everything out in the next week or so (i hope)
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does anyone know about the kanji section in the placement test?
ie to do level 5, do i have to know basically all the kanji from level 1~4 or will my mediocre vce kanji knowledge get me through?
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does anyone know about the kanji section in the placement test?
ie to do level 5, do i have to know basically all the kanji from level 1~4 or will my mediocre vce kanji knowledge get me through?
No-one on VN knows anything about the Monash Jap placement test.
Though I'm glad this is soon to change, I'm the only one on here currently studying Jap @ Monash and I never sat the placement test.
'Tis a great mystery I tells ya :P
Anywayz, my recommendation is that you cram the kanji from levels 1 - 4... it's not too onerous, really... when's the placement test?
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does anyone know about the kanji section in the placement test?
ie to do level 5, do i have to know basically all the kanji from level 1~4 or will my mediocre vce kanji knowledge get me through?
No-one on VN knows anything about the Monash Jap placement test.
Though I'm glad this is soon to change, I'm the only one on here currently studying Jap @ Monash and I never sat the placement test.
'Tis a great mystery I tells ya :P
Anywayz, my recommendation is that you cram the kanji from levels 1 - 4... it's not too onerous, really... when's the placement test?
22nd i think
ive already started studying kanji, just wanted to know how well i need to know them :)
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does anyone know about the kanji section in the placement test?
ie to do level 5, do i have to know basically all the kanji from level 1~4 or will my mediocre vce kanji knowledge get me through?
No-one on VN knows anything about the Monash Jap placement test.
Though I'm glad this is soon to change, I'm the only one on here currently studying Jap @ Monash and I never sat the placement test.
'Tis a great mystery I tells ya :P
Anywayz, my recommendation is that you cram the kanji from levels 1 - 4... it's not too onerous, really... when's the placement test?
22nd i think
ive already started studying kanji, just wanted to know how well i need to know them :)
isn't the test just a "recommendation" anyway?
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does anyone know about the kanji section in the placement test?
ie to do level 5, do i have to know basically all the kanji from level 1~4 or will my mediocre vce kanji knowledge get me through?
No-one on VN knows anything about the Monash Jap placement test.
Though I'm glad this is soon to change, I'm the only one on here currently studying Jap @ Monash and I never sat the placement test.
'Tis a great mystery I tells ya :P
Anywayz, my recommendation is that you cram the kanji from levels 1 - 4... it's not too onerous, really... when's the placement test?
22nd i think
ive already started studying kanji, just wanted to know how well i need to know them :)
isn't the test just a "recommendation" anyway?
I wouldn't mind getting a decisive answer on this actually. I was under the impression the test determined what level you started at but when I called Monash the impression I got was that you could enrol for any level you wanted which is not what I have been told earlier =/
Also have any of the other first years doing a Diploma enrolled in the language subjects yet? I didn't put down any languages in my units because I was planning on waiting on approval/test results before I enrolled so I knew what level to enrol at. I was told that after the test I could contact the course advisors to discuss which of my units I could drop for the language one (I'm figuring I could drop one of the core commerce subjects from 1st/2nd semester and just do it later).
Also have any of you actually been approved by your faculty yet? I gave the Law faculty my application on the 28th and haven't heard anything from them since...
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does anyone know about the kanji section in the placement test?
ie to do level 5, do i have to know basically all the kanji from level 1~4 or will my mediocre vce kanji knowledge get me through?
No-one on VN knows anything about the Monash Jap placement test.
Though I'm glad this is soon to change, I'm the only one on here currently studying Jap @ Monash and I never sat the placement test.
'Tis a great mystery I tells ya :P
Anywayz, my recommendation is that you cram the kanji from levels 1 - 4... it's not too onerous, really... when's the placement test?
22nd i think
ive already started studying kanji, just wanted to know how well i need to know them :)
isn't the test just a "recommendation" anyway?
I wouldn't mind getting a decisive answer on this actually. I was under the impression the test determined what level you started at but when I called Monash the impression I got was that you could enrol for any level you wanted which is not what I have been told earlier =/
Also have any of the other first years doing a Diploma enrolled in the language subjects yet? I didn't put down any languages in my units because I was planning on waiting on approval/test results before I enrolled so I knew what level to enrol at. I was told that after the test I could contact the course advisors to discuss which of my units I could drop for the language one (I'm figuring I could drop one of the core commerce subjects from 1st/2nd semester and just do it later).
Also have any of you actually been approved by your faculty yet? I gave the Law faculty my application on the 28th and haven't heard anything from them since...
Both times I applied (don't anyone else ask me to explain this) I went in to my faculty's student services and I was approved on the spot. The first time they passed my application onto Arts for me, the second time I walked to Arts student services myself and handed it in. BusEco heavily encourages its students to enrol in languages though... for this reason I once likened my faculty to a stoned hippie... "Learning is gooooood maaaaaaan"... anywayz, Law is a bit picky with its students doing units from other faculties... they'll likely need a little time before they concede ;)
Don't enrol in your language units yet... it'll make your unofficial transcript look screwy... no-one aside from uni staff will see it, but sometimes this matters. When I went and saw a course advisor and she showed me a print-out it was lol... to make it easier for her to read, she scribbled out all the units I'd switched from and never actually completed.
Oh, just while I'm on this train of thought... SmRandmAzn... come mid-year you will only have one day to get your application approved by your faculty/ies and across to the Arts faculty... there's no way around this and you probably deserve a heads-up now. Uni bureaucracy is a bitch.
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does anyone know about the kanji section in the placement test?
ie to do level 5, do i have to know basically all the kanji from level 1~4 or will my mediocre vce kanji knowledge get me through?
No-one on VN knows anything about the Monash Jap placement test.
Though I'm glad this is soon to change, I'm the only one on here currently studying Jap @ Monash and I never sat the placement test.
'Tis a great mystery I tells ya :P
Anywayz, my recommendation is that you cram the kanji from levels 1 - 4... it's not too onerous, really... when's the placement test?
22nd i think
ive already started studying kanji, just wanted to know how well i need to know them :)
isn't the test just a "recommendation" anyway?
I wouldn't mind getting a decisive answer on this actually. I was under the impression the test determined what level you started at but when I called Monash the impression I got was that you could enrol for any level you wanted which is not what I have been told earlier =/
Also have any of the other first years doing a Diploma enrolled in the language subjects yet? I didn't put down any languages in my units because I was planning on waiting on approval/test results before I enrolled so I knew what level to enrol at. I was told that after the test I could contact the course advisors to discuss which of my units I could drop for the language one (I'm figuring I could drop one of the core commerce subjects from 1st/2nd semester and just do it later).
Also have any of you actually been approved by your faculty yet? I gave the Law faculty my application on the 28th and haven't heard anything from them since...
i handed in mine this morning so hopefully it doesnt take too long
since im doing BEc i think i have enough free units to do jap anyway (in 1st semester at least), once or if get into the diploma ill just drop jap out of my degree and put into my diploma (i dont know exactly how it works tho)
as for the placement test, im not sure how its done or if i HAVE to do it at all either
i once heard that the test wasnt strict, ie u can do any level but monash may just advice u on what to do
but yeah, ive goten mixed messages/answers too
btw, i just realised i forgot to include a copy of my vce results with the application (it only has my enter on the application), will they contact me and ask for it when processing or should i somehow go give it to them?
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does anyone know about the kanji section in the placement test?
ie to do level 5, do i have to know basically all the kanji from level 1~4 or will my mediocre vce kanji knowledge get me through?
No-one on VN knows anything about the Monash Jap placement test.
Though I'm glad this is soon to change, I'm the only one on here currently studying Jap @ Monash and I never sat the placement test.
'Tis a great mystery I tells ya :P
Anywayz, my recommendation is that you cram the kanji from levels 1 - 4... it's not too onerous, really... when's the placement test?
22nd i think
ive already started studying kanji, just wanted to know how well i need to know them :)
isn't the test just a "recommendation" anyway?
I wouldn't mind getting a decisive answer on this actually. I was under the impression the test determined what level you started at but when I called Monash the impression I got was that you could enrol for any level you wanted which is not what I have been told earlier =/
Also have any of the other first years doing a Diploma enrolled in the language subjects yet? I didn't put down any languages in my units because I was planning on waiting on approval/test results before I enrolled so I knew what level to enrol at. I was told that after the test I could contact the course advisors to discuss which of my units I could drop for the language one (I'm figuring I could drop one of the core commerce subjects from 1st/2nd semester and just do it later).
Also have any of you actually been approved by your faculty yet? I gave the Law faculty my application on the 28th and haven't heard anything from them since...
it'll make your unofficial transcript look screwy... no-one aside from uni staff will see it, but sometimes this matters. When I went and saw a course advisor and she showed me a print-out it was lol... to make it easier for her to read, she scribbled out all the units I'd switched from and never actually completed.
haha, my course advisor was kinda like that, he didnt bother to read one of them was marked "discontinued" so then went on about me having too many units :P
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
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Credit average isn't too bad - it's distinction and HD which is reserved for geniuses
I maintained a credit average by cramming the entire course for 2 law subjects a week before the exams (which were a day apart). Trust me, you'll be fine :P
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
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*logs into WES*
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
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*logs into WES*
Lol!
Business Law is my lowest result so far and the only C on my transcript... unfortunately, it is also the first unit listed on my transcript -.-
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
stats? really?
just looking through the stats textbook gives me heartfailure atm
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
stats? really?
just looking through the stats textbook gives me heartfailure atm
The stats uniy over view did look pretty complex. Why exactly is it so easy? What exactly do you do in that unit (The overview in the handbook seemed very technical)?
Taking Fyrefly's advice, my commerce units now look as follows:
Semester 1:
AFC1000 Principles of accounting and finance
ECC1000 Principles of microeconomics
Semester 2:
ETC1000 Business and economic statistics
MGC1010 Introduction to management
From people in the know, any specifically bad decisions here if my aim is to get a Credit average? How much of a disadvantage will I be in if I do AFC1000 and ECC1000
without doing VCE Economics or Accounting? I hear AFC1000 is just a complete rehash of VCE Accounting, is this true?
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
stats? really?
just looking through the stats textbook gives me heartfailure atm
The stats uniy over view did look pretty complex. Why exactly is it so easy? What exactly do you do in that unit (The overview in the handbook seemed very technical)?
Taking Fyrefly's advice, my commerce units now look as follows:
Semester 1:
AFC1000 Principles of accounting and finance
ECC1000 Principles of microeconomics
Semester 2:
ETC1000 Business and economic statistics
MGC1010 Introduction to management
From people in the know, any specifically bad decisions here if my aim is to get a Credit average? How much of a disadvantage will I be in if I do AFC1000 and ECC1000
without doing VCE Economics or Accounting? I hear AFC1000 is just a complete rehash of VCE Accounting, is this true?
dw about ECC1000 without vce economics, apart from maybe the 1st chapter or so the 2 dont actually seem *that* related
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
stats? really?
just looking through the stats textbook gives me heartfailure atm
I didn't read the textbook... I wouldn't know what's in it.
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
stats? really?
just looking through the stats textbook gives me heartfailure atm
The stats uniy over view did look pretty complex. Why exactly is it so easy? What exactly do you do in that unit (The overview in the handbook seemed very technical)?
Taking Fyrefly's advice, my commerce units now look as follows:
Semester 1:
AFC1000 Principles of accounting and finance
ECC1000 Principles of microeconomics
Semester 2:
ETC1000 Business and economic statistics
MGC1010 Introduction to management
From people in the know, any specifically bad decisions here if my aim is to get a Credit average? How much of a disadvantage will I be in if I do AFC1000 and ECC1000
without doing VCE Economics or Accounting? I hear AFC1000 is just a complete rehash of VCE Accounting, is this true?
dw about ECC1000 without vce economics, apart from maybe the 1st chapter or so the 2 dont actually seem *that* related
I didn't do VCE Eco, but people I spoke to who did said that there isn't much past the first week that's relevant to ECC1000 course. I really enjoyed ECC1000... the American lecturer (Matt... something) is absolutely awesome... he explains economic theory with reference to porn, whiskey, vodka and the "Chinese Yen". If it counts for anything, Micro was the only subject I got HD for in my first semester.
Umm... I did do VCE Accounting and yes, most of it is a rehash... there is a *little* bit of new material and slightly different terminology, but it's pretty much VCE Accounting.
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I hear AFC1000 is just a complete rehash of VCE Accounting, is this true?
I heard this from an accounting tutor (as in, not VCE tutor, the people who lead the tutorials) so yeah, I think you'll be fine.
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Well I just got a call from the Law faculty who told me I can't apply for a Diploma in Languages unless I have already completed 48 credit points with a credit average. I'm fairly sure getting a credit average isn't too challenging for my first year commerce units but I've heard with law units getting anything higher than credit is considered in huge achievement. From people with past experience, how much effort would I need to devote to my law units and how difficult is it to maintain a credit average or above, keeping in mind that compared with the rest of the class I will probably have the intellectual capacity of a dugong?
Out of the compulsory 1st year BComm units you should definitely do stats and management if you want to get a good 1st-year average... those units are sooo easy. I also recommend putting off business law for similar reasons... there's a general consensus that it is the most difficult of all the compulsory 1st year units... my transcript agrees.
stats? really?
just looking through the stats textbook gives me heartfailure atm
I didn't read the textbook... I wouldn't know what's in it.
Sorry... I should probably elaborate on that... I read a *little* of the textbook before I realised how useless it was... I still got HD anyway.
The lecturer gives out a summary for each of the three "topics" that you write all over as he goes through them in lectures... they're way better than the material in the textbook, because you know what you have to focus on for the exam. And the exam... basically, do ~3 past papers, go through the solutions (or ask your tutor) and you'll have covered every question they'll throw at you on the real thing. I did 2 past papers and I got ~90% on the exam... I only lost marks because I ran out of time right at the end. Bear in mind that I epic-fail at probability (there's a bit in topic 3) and I still did great.
Use the computer lab sessions as an opportunity to learn how to make excel do what you need it to do for the assignments, but keep in mind that the final exam is on paper, not computer... also, in the topic summaries there's basically "how to do your assignments" examples, just with different scenarios.
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is WES closed right now or something =\
I tried to change my units (i.e get rid of Business Law) but it seems to have stuffed up me...?
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is WES closed right now or something =\
I tried to change my units (i.e get rid of Business Law) but it seems to have stuffed up me...?
i thought business law was compolsory for the bcom peeps.....im prob wrong tho :P
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is WES closed right now or something =\
I tried to change my units (i.e get rid of Business Law) but it seems to have stuffed up me...?
i thought business law was compolsory for the bcom peeps.....im prob wrong tho :P
well, push it to second year =]
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is WES closed right now or something =\
I tried to change my units (i.e get rid of Business Law) but it seems to have stuffed up me...?
i thought business law was compolsory for the bcom peeps.....im prob wrong tho :P
well, push it to second year =]
lol id love to do that for stats :)
seriously, y does it need to have 3 lectures? (ruined my timetable)
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is WES closed right now or something =\
I tried to change my units (i.e get rid of Business Law) but it seems to have stuffed up me...?
i thought business law was compolsory for the bcom peeps.....im prob wrong tho :P
well, push it to second year =]
lol id love to do that for stats :)
seriously, y does it need to have 3 lectures? (ruined my timetable)
Stats doesn't have 3 lectures... screen shot or it didn't happen.
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sorry to revive this thread, but is monash ment to send my an email or letter or something telling me to do the placement test?
i know the info is on the monash site somewhere ( monday 22nd, menzies bldg @ 10am bla bla bla) but it seems that if they really wanted u to do this test there would be at least 1 notification, and its less than a week till the test now
i will probably show up anyway but yeah....