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VCE Stuff => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE English Studies => Topic started by: stonecold on February 23, 2010, 05:23:21 pm
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After screwing around with my computer for nearly two hours, I finally got it to make Australian English the default.
Would just like to know, for words such as realize/realize, which is the correct spelling for Australian English.
I think it is 'ise,' but is 'ize' also acepted by VCAA?
Microsoft office seems to think both are correct...
also, if both are correct, you are expected to remain constant with your spelling yeah?
for example, you shouldn't write realise, and then two sentences later write globalization.
clarification would be great. :)
edit: not sure, but maybe globalization is actually spelt with a 'z' haha!
maybe 'apologise' is a better example...
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Someone taught me this a while ago and my memory about it is fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure that -ize is US spelling whilst -ise is Australian. Whilst both are technically correct, I'd stick to just writing -ise.
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Someone taught me this a while ago and my memory about it is fuzzy, but I'm pretty sure that -ize is US spelling whilst -ise is Australian. Whilst both are technically correct, I'd stick to just writing -ise.
Yep, was just about to say that :P
It's better to play safe and use 's' instead of 'z', we do live in Australia
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so is globalization always with a 'z'?
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so is globalization always with a 'z'?
No, the Aussie version is 'globalisation', it's basically always an 's'
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^i hate you microsoft. this is so confusing...
they say it is with a z!
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This is the sort of stuff we do in english language. Variation...
In Standard Australian English (The benchmark variety :P) we use -s. -z is used in the United States. We also use -c in words such as defence - defense(US). With the advent of spell-check (and globalisation in general) the -z version could become the Standard Australian variety in the next couple of decades. :(
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I believe both are correct in British English but -ise is more commonly used (probably to keep it consistent with other -ise suffixes that occur in British English). Assuming Australian English follows British English, they should both be valid.
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^i hate you microsoft. this is so confusing...
they say it is with a z!
Lol, remember Microsoft is an American company, so they obviously have an American way of thinking (regardless of the variant of English being used :P)
Yeah, you can technically use either, but it's easier to just stick to one, probably the 's' version
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxford_spelling
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thanks. also, is it:
the doctors 'practice' (noun)
i 'practised' how to spell properly (verb)
??
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Yep, the 'c' indicates the noun, and the 's' indicates the verb.
This is somewhat similar to advice and advise, to some extent
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thanks. also, is it:
the doctors 'practice' (noun)
i 'practised' how to spell properly (verb)
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Yeah thats right. I use C in both instances though. People arent so picky with that word.
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thanks. also, is it:
the doctors 'practice' (noun)
i 'practised' how to spell properly (verb)
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I just think that 'ice' is a noun so pract'ice' is a noun. Which leaves practise as a verb.
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Yep, the 'c' indicates the noun, and the 's' indicates the verb.
This is somewhat similar to advice and advise, to some extent
Except pronunciation. Good spot though. If you had trouble identifying which practi(c/s)e was which you could use Advise and Advice to remember.
Move into english language watchmen.
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Yep, the 'c' indicates the noun, and the 's' indicates the verb.
This is somewhat similar to advice and advise, to some extent
Except pronunciation. Good spot though. If you had trouble identifying which practi(c/s)e was which you could use Advise and Advice to remember.
Move into english language watchmen.
LOL our school doesn't offer EngLang :( I would've done it
(and it's watchman, not watchmen, it's not a reference to the movie :P)
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Yep, the 'c' indicates the noun, and the 's' indicates the verb.
This is somewhat similar to advice and advise, to some extent
Except pronunciation. Good spot though. If you had trouble identifying which practi(c/s)e was which you could use Advise and Advice to remember.
Move into english language watchmen.
LOL our school doesn't offer EngLang :( I would've done it
(and it's watchman, not watchmen, it's not a reference to the movie :P)
That sucks.
And neithers your avatar? :P
(http://blog.prospect.org/blog/weblog/watchmen-happy-face.jpg)
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Actually I didn't notice the avatar similarity :P
But no soz, the hidden meaning is something better ;)
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I'm so stupid to have not done English language since it seems like a much more useful subject than English. So do you guys also analyse where to put commas, colons, semi-colons, etc?
I need an English 101 to learn how to use correct grammar. :S
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nah, i'm trying to work out wtf standard english is, because I am gettting conflicting information from my teacher and my tutor. i believe my tutor because she is 110% pro...but she ain't gonna be the one marking my sacs. :(
i also said that accent variation in australia can no longer be described as either broad, cultivated or general,(which is what the EL study design says) and made reference to the quote:
'The General type was uniquely Australian but without the undesirable connotations associated with either Cultivated or Broad. It became the new standard.
Accent variation in Australia today cannot be adequately described with reference to the broadness continuum. Recent research shows that there is now new variation that is separate from these traditional categories.'
Which is from the Macquarie Uni website, and she cracked the shits at me.
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nah, i'm trying to work out wtf standard english is, because I am gettting conflicting information from my teacher and my tutor. i believe my tutor because she is 110% pro...but she ain't gonna be the one marking my sacs. :(
i also said that accent variation in australia can no longer be described as either broad, cultivated or general,(which is what the EL study design says) and made reference to the quote:
'The General type was uniquely Australian but without the undesirable connotations associated with either Cultivated or Broad. It became the new standard.
Accent variation in Australia today cannot be adequately described with reference to the broadness continuum. Recent research shows that there is now new variation that is separate from these traditional categories.'
Which is from the Macquarie Uni website, and she cracked the shits at me.
It doesnt matter what Standard English is. We only talk about Standard Australian English is in English Language.
I dont think there is a Standard English anyway as the language doesnt originate from one particular place.
You cant try to disprove the concept of broad, general and cultivated either and not expect to face the wrath of the teacher. :P You need to learn what the study design tells you you need to learn anyway. Its not really up for debate...
We dont really get into semi-colons, and colons, commas, etc, QuantumJG. That stuff is pretty basic grammar..
In EL we practically learn why we use the language that we do. How our coutry, our society, influences the way we communicate.
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nah, i'm trying to work out wtf standard english is, because I am gettting conflicting information from my teacher and my tutor. i believe my tutor because she is 110% pro...but she ain't gonna be the one marking my sacs. :(
i also said that accent variation in australia can no longer be described as either broad, cultivated or general,(which is what the EL study design says) and made reference to the quote:
'The General type was uniquely Australian but without the undesirable connotations associated with either Cultivated or Broad. It became the new standard.
Accent variation in Australia today cannot be adequately described with reference to the broadness continuum. Recent research shows that there is now new variation that is separate from these traditional categories.'
Which is from the Macquarie Uni website, and she cracked the shits at me.
It doesnt matter what Standard English is. We only talk about Standard Australian English is in English Language.
I dont think there is a Standard English anyway as the language doesnt originate from one particular place.
You cant try to disprove the concept of broad, general and cultivated either and not expect to face the wrath of the teacher. :P You need to learn what the study design tells you you need to learn anyway. Its not really up for debate...
We dont really get into semi-colons, and colons, commas, etc, QuantumJG. That stuff is pretty basic grammar..
In EL we practically learn why we use the language that we do. How our coutry, our society, influences the way we communicate.
haha i know. i wan't trying to say it like that though. i was just pointing out that is inaccurate to say that these are the only ways to categorize the Australian accent. Of course i'll learn from the study design and expect her to teach it, and everyone should accept it. I wasn't disputing that. But just because something is in the study design doesn't make it right.
englang course is outdated/watered down...