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VCE Stuff => Victorian Education Discussion => Topic started by: Christiano on March 04, 2010, 06:22:26 pm
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I'm not 100% on this, but supposedly you can choose any uni course you want when you're 21 or something because your ENTER expires in 2 years, the catch being that the government does not pay for your tuition. Could people share their knowledge/experience on this?
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dont think so, people would just bludge another 3 years after vce and go into the course they want if that were true :P
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Partially true. You can get in with a crap ENTER, but you generally need to have done well in a relevent TAFE course, or in a job related to the course, and you need to fill out a form saying why you want to do the course and stuff....you don't just pick anything you wanna do and you'll get in
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Why waste three years of your life though lol.
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Partially true. You can get in with a crap ENTER, but you generally need to have done well in a relevent TAFE course, or in a job related to the course, and you need to fill out a form saying why you want to do the course and stuff....you don't just pick anything you wanna do and you'll get in
You'll be applying as a non-year 12 student and one of the forms you will have to fill in is called a Personal Information (PI) form.
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Why waste three years of your life though lol.
Might not get into the desired course. My example is that I want to do something like genetic engineering or something in neuroscience, and keep the option of medicine open, however, I want to drop methods, and it is a prerequisite for pretty much all the courses I want to do (Science, Biomedicine, Medicine), and my 2nd preference would be something in law, but it's quite competitive and requires high ENTER scores.
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Why waste three years of your life though lol.
Might not get into the desired course. My example is that I want to do something like genetic engineering or something in neuroscience, and keep the option of medicine open, however, I want to drop methods, and it is a prerequisite for pretty much all the courses I want to do (Science, Biomedicine, Medicine), and my 2nd preference would be something in law, but it's quite competitive and requires high ENTER scores.
medicine doesn't require methods, and i'm there are science degrees not requiring methods. if i'm not mistaken neuroscience at monash isn't methods either.
i'm sure you can get into atleast a science degree at monash even, and transfer if you want into a different course.
there's no need to waste 3 years of your life wanting to get into uni a different way.
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science doesn't need methods? oh lol
you can easily do something in genetic engineering if u do science... u can do something in neuroscience too doing like physiology...
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science doesn't need methods? oh lol
you can easily do something in genetic engineering if u do science... u can do something in neuroscience too doing like physiology...
yeah it doesn't only unimelb need methods.
monash science: http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/0050/domestic-requirements.html
monash neuroscience: http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/2341/domestic-requirements.html
sorry i was mistaken, you need methods.
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science doesn't need methods? oh lol
you can easily do something in genetic engineering if u do science... u can do something in neuroscience too doing like physiology...
yeah it doesn't only unimelb need methods.
monash science: http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/0050/domestic-requirements.html
monash neuroscience: http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/2341/domestic-requirements.html
sorry i was mistaken, you need methods.
You need methods in those courses you listed. I think every science course except Deakin (or is it latrobe) needs methods as a prerequisite. And the only health/science based course i could find in TAFE was something like health science, not too sure if it has relevance to science courses at uni.
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science doesn't need methods? oh lol
you can easily do something in genetic engineering if u do science... u can do something in neuroscience too doing like physiology...
yeah it doesn't only unimelb need methods.
monash science: http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/0050/domestic-requirements.html
monash neuroscience: http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/2341/domestic-requirements.html
sorry i was mistaken, you need methods.
You need methods in those courses you listed. I think every science course except Deakin (or is it latrobe) needs methods as a prerequisite. And the only health/science based course i could find in TAFE was something like health science, not too sure if it has relevance to science courses at uni.
i think you have read it wrong, you do not need methods for monash science.
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Well, actually
Science only needs English and one other science/maths, so you don't need methods, if you can fill the pre-reqs another way (e.g. doing psychology or biology).
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science doesn't need methods? oh lol
you can easily do something in genetic engineering if u do science... u can do something in neuroscience too doing like physiology...
yeah it doesn't only unimelb need methods.
monash science: http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/0050/domestic-requirements.html
monash neuroscience: http://www.monash.edu.au/study/coursefinder/course/2341/domestic-requirements.html
sorry i was mistaken, you need methods.
You need methods in those courses you listed. I think every science course except Deakin (or is it latrobe) needs methods as a prerequisite. And the only health/science based course i could find in TAFE was something like health science, not too sure if it has relevance to science courses at uni.
i think you have read it wrong, you do not need methods for monash science.
Sorry, misread it to be Methods and one or more of biology, physics etc.
Though, I don't know if it is feasible going to monash at clayton because I live in the western suburbs, I think its too far even by car (45 min drive I think), longer for public transport.
Is there other ways to get into UoM bachelor of science without having to do methods? Eg. I heard of doing one year at a university then transferring to UoM. If it is possible, what may/are the circumstances be if you are to be accepted?
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WOOPS
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^ you can also do a bridging course over summer before uni starts and use that as credit to get into science at melbourne, it's possible to do this, but i don't know how realistic your chances are of finishing the course and applying it as credit, perhaps you can do begin second semester?
or just do another science degree elsewhere doing a methods in a semester type course there and then transferring
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^ you can also do a bridging course over summer before uni starts and use that as credit to get into science at melbourne, it's possible to do this, but i don't know how realistic your chances are of finishing the course and applying it as credit, perhaps you can do begin second semester?
or just do another science degree elsewhere doing a methods in a semester type course there and then transferring
Do you have more information about 'bridging courses'? Is it easy to transfer from one university to another? What are the circumstances needed to do this?
Or I could just end up doing methods, but the next problem would be trying to get 25 SS. So I think I would need at least 20 RAW, is that correct?
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^ you can also do a bridging course over summer before uni starts and use that as credit to get into science at melbourne, it's possible to do this, but i don't know how realistic your chances are of finishing the course and applying it as credit, perhaps you can do begin second semester?
or just do another science degree elsewhere doing a methods in a semester type course there and then transferring
Do you have more information about 'bridging courses'? Is it easy to transfer from one university to another? What are the circumstances needed to do this?
Or I could just end up doing methods, but the next problem would be trying to get 25 SS. So I think I would need at least 20 RAW, is that correct?
For courses that you are interested that you listed before, most of them (at UoM and Monash at least) need at least 25 raw. Check Course Search for more details.
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^ you can also do a bridging course over summer before uni starts and use that as credit to get into science at melbourne, it's possible to do this, but i don't know how realistic your chances are of finishing the course and applying it as credit, perhaps you can do begin second semester?
or just do another science degree elsewhere doing a methods in a semester type course there and then transferring
Do you have more information about 'bridging courses'? Is it easy to transfer from one university to another? What are the circumstances needed to do this?
Or I could just end up doing methods, but the next problem would be trying to get 25 SS. So I think I would need at least 20 RAW, is that correct?
im sure you could get 25 easily, if you are poor at maths though, just do all the homework, a couple of prac exams and around 25 should be very achievable.
and with the bridging course: in last year's unimelb open day, my friend asked if they could get into science without methods, and they said a bridging course was available at this particular place, i just searched and couldn't find it. i recall that the recommended time to complete it was 12 weeks (you do it all in your own time, it was self-learning with tests and an exam at the end). perhaps call up biomed or science tomorrow to find out about an accredited one?
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^ you can also do a bridging course over summer before uni starts and use that as credit to get into science at melbourne, it's possible to do this, but i don't know how realistic your chances are of finishing the course and applying it as credit, perhaps you can do begin second semester?
or just do another science degree elsewhere doing a methods in a semester type course there and then transferring
Do you have more information about 'bridging courses'? Is it easy to transfer from one university to another? What are the circumstances needed to do this?
Or I could just end up doing methods, but the next problem would be trying to get 25 SS. So I think I would need at least 20 RAW, is that correct?
im sure you could get 25 easily, if you are poor at maths though, just do all the homework, a couple of prac exams and around 25 should be very achievable.
and with the bridging course: in last year's unimelb open day, my friend asked if they could get into science without methods, and they said a bridging course was available at this particular place, i just searched and couldn't find it. i recall that the recommended time to complete it was 12 weeks (you do it all in your own time, it was self-learning with tests and an exam at the end). perhaps call up biomed or science tomorrow to find out about an accredited one?
Thanks, I'll look into it. What exactly would you learn in the bridging course?
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im not sure, but i think the bridging course your looking for is "unilearn"
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ryan i think that was it:)
well what you learn is:
Introduction to Functions
Coordinate Geometry and Trigonometry
Calculus and its Applications
Financial Mathematics and Statistics.
the course outline is here http://www.unilearn.net.au/courses/maths-senior.php
i suggest just do methods in year 12, since you have the choice and don't want to limit your options or have to go through the hassle of the bridging course, but it's really up to you.
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i suggest just do methods in year 12, since you have the choice and don't want to limit your options or have to go through the hassle of the bridging course, but it's really up to you.
Yeah, I keep thinking about that .. But it's so time consuming, and I'm already like 15 exercises behind LOL, and it'll just get harder.. The 25 SS I need looks like its already out of reach.
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^ yeah methods is far too time-consuming, i'm a little behind too but we have a sac next week so i'll try and catch up on most of it by then.
just do a few questions from each and spend a couple of hours getting up to date. even if you have a vague understanding, getting 25 will not be out of your reach, you just need a little understanding to get there.
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i suggest just do methods in year 12, since you have the choice and don't want to limit your options or have to go through the hassle of the bridging course, but it's really up to you.
Yeah, I keep thinking about that .. But it's so time consuming, and I'm already like 15 exercises behind LOL, and it'll just get harder.. The 25 SS I need looks like its already out of reach.
dw about being a little behind, there are plenty of schools out there packed with students who aren't very smart, and just as lazy .....i should know as i was one
seeing as vce is all ranking anyway, you should do fine
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Actually, back to the question.. From what I know, read and heard...
Once youre 21 you can apply for any course as a student.
Its possible, but I mean you'd waste 3 years straight away..
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i suggest just do methods in year 12, since you have the choice and don't want to limit your options or have to go through the hassle of the bridging course, but it's really up to you.
Yeah, I keep thinking about that .. But it's so time consuming, and I'm already like 15 exercises behind LOL, and it'll just get harder.. The 25 SS I need looks like its already out of reach.
Dude, I stopped bringing any books/calculators to Methods since about august of Year 12, spent every class talking to mates and I got a 22 SS. I'm sure if you do just a little bit you can get that 25. Oh and I'm really shit at Maths too
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Actually, back to the question.. From what I know, read and heard...
Once youre 21 you can apply for any course as a student.
Its possible, but I mean you'd waste 3 years straight away..
Well, number one, it depends on the course and faculty.
But once you're >21, then you're a mature aged student. You still have to prove to the university that you're capable of completing the course. Have a look at Monash's policy below
http://adm.monash.edu.au/admissions/undergrad/entry-requirements/other-qualifications.html
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What are you going to do till your 21 ... chief burger flipper?
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What are you going to do till your 21 ... chief burger flipper?
I don't think any of the fast food chains still flip burgers.
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i suggest just do methods in year 12, since you have the choice and don't want to limit your options or have to go through the hassle of the bridging course, but it's really up to you.
Yeah, I keep thinking about that .. But it's so time consuming, and I'm already like 15 exercises behind LOL, and it'll just get harder.. The 25 SS I need looks like its already out of reach.
Dude, I stopped bringing any books/calculators to Methods since about august of Year 12, spent every class talking to mates and I got a 22 SS. I'm sure if you do just a little bit you can get that 25. Oh and I'm really shit at Maths too
Very motivating :D
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YES Christiano, this is true.
You will enter university as a mature age student (25 years +), at this stage your ENTER in invalid and does not mean anything.
how ever if you do not get the ENTER you need, you can do a general course, ie for law you do arts, for medicine you do biomedical science or health science. once you have done this for a year, your marks (first year uni marks) replace your ENTER score and then if you try to transfer into your prefered course eg law, your first year results for that arts degree will be looked at not your ENTER. and then you can either continue the original degree and end with a doubloe degree or you can drop the course entirely...
hope this has helped...... but yer you can do anything you want once you turn 21, but by that time you have already worded for 3 years and may not want to go back to school after earning all that money along with the new lifestyle.
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YES Christiano, this is true.
You will enter university as a mature age student (25 years +), at this stage your ENTER in invalid and does not mean anything.
how ever if you do not get the ENTER you need, you can do a general course, ie for law you do arts, for medicine you do biomedical science or health science. once you have done this for a year, your marks (first year uni marks) replace your ENTER score and then if you try to transfer into your prefered course eg law, your first year results for that arts degree will be looked at not your ENTER. and then you can either continue the original degree and end with a doubloe degree or you can drop the course entirely...
hope this has helped...... but yer you can do anything you want once you turn 21, but by that time you have already worded for 3 years and may not want to go back to school after earning all that money along with the new lifestyle.
Thanks a lot, that did help me a lot, as I will most likely be taking a general course then transferring to the preferred course.
However, with law, I checked out the melbourne arts degree, and there is no topic to major in for 'law', closest i could find relating to law was politics ..