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Title: Spectroscopy help
Post by: mandy on March 14, 2010, 04:14:14 pm
The presence of methanol can be confirmed by its mass spectrum, shown below.

[IMG]http://img689.imageshack.us/img689/9311/53071017.png[/img]

Label each peak of the spectrum with the formula of the ion.

How would I do this question? Am I right to say that the peak at 15 is caused by the CH3?

P.S. Sorry about the ugly graph, lol. No mouse control ==
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: happyhappyland on March 14, 2010, 05:22:50 pm
I havnt covered mass spec yet but Ive breifly read about it. I think you just label each peak by saying that this peak is caused by this structure, like you said at 15 it is Ch3 so you write ch3 on top of that peak etc.
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: chem-nerd on March 14, 2010, 05:45:12 pm
32 - CH3OH

31 - CH2OH+

29 - CHO+

15 - CH3+
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: mandy on March 14, 2010, 09:44:01 pm
32 - CH3OH

31 - CH2OH+

29 - CHO+

15 - CH3+

For these kinds of questions, can I just split it up anywhere, as long as I don't mess up the bonding and which ion bonds to which?
Thank you for helping me :)
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: mandy on March 14, 2010, 10:14:11 pm
Also, this isn't Spectroscopy, but how would I do this question:

0.132g of a pure carboxylic acid (R-COOH) was dissolved in 25.00mL of water and titrated with 0.120M NaOH solution. A volume of 14.80mL was required to reach the endpoint of the titration.
The carboxylic acid could be:

a. HCOOH
b. CH3COOH
c. C2H5COOH
d. C3H7COOH

I found the mole of the NaOH, but then now I have no idea.
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: simonhu81292 on March 14, 2010, 10:36:15 pm
is the answer C?
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: fady_22 on March 14, 2010, 10:37:24 pm
Once you find the mole of NaOH, you can find the mole of the carboxylic acid (as it is a monoprotic acid, the ratio of NaOH:acid will be 1:1, and so the n(acid)=n(NaoH).
Using the number of mole of the carboxylic acid, you can find its molar mass (where , as the mass is given). You can now compare your answer to the molar masses of each possible answer, and choose the right compound.
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: mandy on March 14, 2010, 10:38:29 pm
is the answer C?
It's a worksheet my tutor gave me and he doesn't give out solutions, so I don't know what the answer is :S
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: fady_22 on March 14, 2010, 10:39:10 pm
I got C too.
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: mandy on March 14, 2010, 10:41:54 pm
Once you find the mole of NaOH, you can find the mole of the carboxylic acid (as it is a monoprotic acid, the ratio of NaOH:acid will be 1:1, and so the n(acid)=n(NaoH).
Using the number of mole of the carboxylic acid, you can find its molar mass (where , as the mass is given). You can now compare your answer to the molar masses of each possible answer, and choose the right compound.

Okay, I did what you said, and I got a molar mass of 74.32, which is basically the molar mass of C2H5COOH, c.
Thank you guyssss ! :)
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: Mao on March 15, 2010, 12:28:32 am
32 - CH3OH

For the sake of being pedantic:
32 - CH3OH+
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: Mao on March 15, 2010, 12:47:18 am
32 - CH3OH

31 - CH2OH+

29 - CHO+

15 - CH3+

For these kinds of questions, can I just split it up anywhere, as long as I don't mess up the bonding and which ion bonds to which?
Thank you for helping me :)


A few things to remember:


- Only the +ve charged ions will bend and reach the detector

- For a molecule AB, it can be broken into A+ + B or A + B+ [usually only one bond is broken]. Generally, electronegative elements (oxygen mainly) tend to stay attached to the carbon, and usually keep the electron if the bond ever gets broken (does not form a cation). This is why you don't see a peak at 17 (OH+). Weaker bonds (C-C) tend to break before stronger bonds (C-H)

- For R1R2, you can get almost equal share of R1+ and R2+ (both are hydrocarbon chains)
- For R-CH2OH, R+ and CH2OH+ will be abundant
- For R1-CH(OH)-R2, you can get R1+, R2+, or lose a H2O.

Read this if you feel like a slightly more detailed explanation http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/Spectrpy/MassSpec/masspec1.htm#ms4

:)

BTW, most probably beyond the syllabus
Title: Re: Spectroscopy help
Post by: mandy on March 15, 2010, 09:08:49 pm
Wow, thank you for the help Mao, that link is really in depth and helpful :)