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VCE Stuff => VCE English Studies => VCE Subjects + Help => VCE English & EAL => Topic started by: kyzoo on March 19, 2010, 12:35:38 am
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I don't know why, but right now I have a serious problem with writing speed. 110 minutes to write 1000 words of language analysis >.<.
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Probably thinking process
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I don't think it is directly the writing speed. Its more about the time to think of the correct words to use.
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I don't think it is directly the writing speed. Its more about the time to think of the correct words to use.
I write as fast as I can, then proofread.
But I guess it makes my work look messy :P
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Topic.
I don't know why, but right now I have a serious problem with writing speed. 110 minutes to write 1000 words of language analysis >.<.
I am exactly the same. Takes me so long to think out what I am going to write.
Any tips are much appreciated. I was going to start the exact same thread lol!
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I don't think it is directly the writing speed. Its more about the time to think of the correct words to use.
I write as fast as I can, then proofread.
But I guess it makes my work look messy :P
I don't mean spelling errors but like words to use to improve your expression. I'm sure most people write at a similar speed but when it goes to thinking and writing there is major differences
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^yeah, i don't think you would find much difference in writing speed if you told people to just copy out stuff, but thinking and writing is another ball game!
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I don't think it is directly the writing speed. Its more about the time to think of the correct words to use.
I write as fast as I can, then proofread.
But I guess it makes my work look messy :P
I don't mean spelling errors but like words to use to improve your expression. I'm sure most people write at a similar speed but when it goes to thinking and writing there is major differences
No no, expression proofreading, not spelling :P
I cross out simple-looking words and replace them with longer ones :D
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i also write really fast but its really messy. At the end of year examination will that put me at a disadvantage?
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Write whatever word comes to your mind first, then go back and swap it for a better one if you have time.
Completed essay with simplistic words > half-baked essay with half the dictionary in it
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i also write really fast but its really messy. At the end of year examination will that put me at a disadvantage?
Only if it's illegible :P
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i also write really fast but its really messy. At the end of year examination will that put me at a disadvantage?
Only if it's illegible :P
Yea, most likely depends on the degree of messiness lol. Should be ok if an average person can read it
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I think your thinking sentence by sentence, as too put what in what sentence. Obviously doing it that way will take time. If you know what too write, your speed automatically increases..!
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As has been said, the more you practice, the quicker you get at writing quickly. Just try not to sacrifice legibility too much if you can help it. I know of students who have illegible handwriting, and it probably cost them in the end of year exams. Not by much -- I'm talking the difference between like, 45 and 50 here, but it still counts for something if you're wanting to be one of the elite. If you MUST write messily (and I can understand that) try to make your handwriting big so it's easier to read that way.
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this sounds stupid but when i want to write fast i have to write atleast the first line neat and without a mistake cause neatness matters for the first line then after that i just write whatever. :P
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Do lots of practice essays. 50 practice essays for Classics by hand in year 11 under timed conditions->1500 words per hour in year 12 by hand.
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Do lots of practice essays. 50 practice essays for Classics by hand in year 11 under timed conditions->1500 words per hour in year 12 by hand.
50 essays. Coincidence? ;)
Wow, 1500 words per hour :o That is gun.
With reference to the topic: I agree with those above, PRACTICE!
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I wish I could write at 66% EZ pace lol...
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I wish I could write at 66% EZ pace lol...
Same ... I'm way too slow :(
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dw dw i am a neat freak so i write even more slow
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I'm glad writing fast isn't an issue for me, my hand is SUPER PRO! Lol, except there's no use in writing fast if you can't think of anything to write :(
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practice.
with practice you will know what you're going to say which = speed as you will begin repeating certain phrases/quotes etc.
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I don't think it is directly the writing speed. Its more about the time to think of the correct words to use.
Probably true. I timed how long I would take to write a rote-memorized 800 word Point-of-view and it took 28 minutes.
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I don't think it is directly the writing speed. Its more about the time to think of the correct words to use.
Probably true. I timed how long I would take to write a rote-memorized 800 word Point-of-view and it took 28 minutes.
Faster the EZ LOL
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Yeah, but EZ didn't say anything about a memorised piece....
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Its all in the wrist.
practice using your wrist with the oldest form of practice in the world
if you know how....
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Its all in the wrist.
practice using your wrist with the oldest form of practice in the world
if you know how....
LOLOLOLOL
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Its all in the wrist.
practice using your wrist with the oldest form of practice in the world
if you know how....
rofl!
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Yeah, but EZ didn't say anything about a memorised piece....
Yeah, I never memorise pieces.
I think writing speed on learned pieces doesn't matter so much, since it just tells you how quickly you can move your hand. In contrast, speed on "fresh" pieces measures not only hand dexterity, but also how quickly you can "think" up sentences. Not to detract anything from kyzoo or anything anyway (he actually can write quite quickly from what I've heard, though no first hand experience).
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
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Its all in the wrist.
practice using your wrist with the oldest form of practice in the world
if you know how....
LMFAOO
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
pretty sure appianway's school asks them to write SACs double spaced. even so, 6 pages is still heaps!
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
pretty sure appianway's school asks them to write SACs double spaced. even so, 6 pages is still heaps!
Oh double spaced ;) That doesn't sound as crazy anymore! Haha.
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
what falls into the category of 'too' long.? I had a SAC this week and i wrote a total of 6 pages. 4 for my essay and 2 for my written explanation. Why do teachers deduct marks?
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
pretty sure appianway's school asks them to write SACs double spaced. even so, 6 pages is still heaps!
Oh double spaced ;) That doesn't sound as crazy anymore! Haha.
If it was in an hour it's crazy haha!
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
pretty sure appianway's school asks them to write SACs double spaced. even so, 6 pages is still heaps!
Oh double spaced ;) That doesn't sound as crazy anymore! Haha.
If it was in an hour it's crazy haha!
i can only manage 3.5 - 4 pages in an hour :S
6 is crazy!
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tbh pages are lame though. really should be talking words, because some people will find a way to write the same amount in eight pages that someone else can do in four. not saying that about you appian :)
but yeah, at the moment I think my limit in english is probably ~700-800 words/hour.
in english language I haven't even timed myself doing an essay because they are hard and take me ages...
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I'm so lame ... maybe three pages in an hour?
But I've got some time to work on it though... :D
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Yeah, my SAC was 12 pages double spaced, and my 40 minute commentary was 4 pages without double spacing. I think there would've been about 150 words per page for the SAC itself (I'm not too good at estimating though; I could be quite off) and around 300 per page for the commentary. I still think it's better to be efficient with words rather than rambling on though - a 900 word essay might be better than a 1500 word one. I guess I wrote so much for my English SAC because I wanted to include a number of different scenes but explore them properly. I do write really, really quickly though - I did around 70 pages in a 5 hour physics exam the other week. The main thing is just to have an idea of what you're doing and let your ideas flow - you can always edit them later.
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...I have never tried double-spaced before so I shall try it.
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...I have never tried double-spaced before so I shall try it.
Yeah same, my proofreading (usually in red) is so cramped :D
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
Not in English, no. I know 50-scoring people who got 1500+ words for all three essays in the exam...
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I timed how long I would take to write a rote-memorized 800 word Point-of-view and it took 28 minutes.
...I have never tried double-spaced before so I shall try it.
I experimented with double-spaced writing for the same piece and it didn't seem to make a difference at all - finished in the same time and if anything, actually looks more illegible than single-spaced.
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
Not in English, no. I know 50-scoring people who got 1500+ words for all three essays in the exam...
Holy shit, I wrote just over that for ALL pieces put together lol, no wonder I got what I got :P
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I reckon that if you want a shot at a really good score, you've gotta be writing at least 1000 words per piece.
That is one word every 3.6 seconds. No breaks, and not including proofreading time.
I'm so screwed!
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I reckon that if you want a shot at a really good score, you've gotta be writing at least 1000 words per piece.
That is one word every 3.6 seconds. No breaks, and not including proofreading time.
I'm so screwed!
me too! *cries*
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I reckon that if you want a shot at a really good score, you've gotta be writing at least 1000 words per piece.
That is one word every 3.6 seconds. No breaks, and not including proofreading time.
I'm so screwed!
17 words a minute doesn't sound bad, when I can do 28.5 words a minute with pure memorized piece
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I reckon that if you want a shot at a really good score, you've gotta be writing at least 1000 words per piece.
That is one word every 3.6 seconds. No breaks, and not including proofreading time.
I'm so screwed!
It sounds difficult, but seriously, just practice. The more you do, the faster you get.
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relax people, come exam time, u'll have the majority of the essay done before u start. just a lil adjusting so it relates to the prompt.
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I reckon that if you want a shot at a really good score, you've gotta be writing at least 1000 words per piece.
That is one word every 3.6 seconds. No breaks, and not including proofreading time.
I'm so screwed!
Really, by exam time, it should be flowing out of you. All of your practice should reduce your need to 'think'. Your previous essays and plans should provide a great spring board, both for your ideas and expression. So big chunks of your writing should be at a much greater speed than 3.6 seconds word-1.
More practice = better and faster writing.
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I reckon that if you want a shot at a really good score, you've gotta be writing at least 1000 words per piece.
That is one word every 3.6 seconds. No breaks, and not including proofreading time.
I'm so screwed!
Really, by exam time, it should be flowing out of you. All of your practice should reduce your need to 'think'. Your previous essays and plans should provide a great spring board, both for your ideas and expression. So big chunks of your writing should be at a much greater speed than 3.6 seconds word-1.
More practice = better and faster writing.
Problem is, I type whenever I write anything... essays, homework, everything.
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I reckon that if you want a shot at a really good score, you've gotta be writing at least 1000 words per piece.
That is one word every 3.6 seconds. No breaks, and not including proofreading time.
I'm so screwed!
Really, by exam time, it should be flowing out of you. All of your practice should reduce your need to 'think'. Your previous essays and plans should provide a great spring board, both for your ideas and expression. So big chunks of your writing should be at a much greater speed than 3.6 seconds word-1.
More practice = better and faster writing.
Problem is, I type whenever I write anything... essays, homework, everything.
Don't worry, I'm the same. Just handwrite when it counts (ie. before exams, SACs, ATs, etc.)
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Laptops have degraded my already rubbish handwriting LOL
I think it was better in year 6 when we had to handwrite everything.
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As a lot of people here have already mentioned, having a good idea of what you're writing definitely helps with speed. I find that when I write, my ideas evolve with the piece itself, but this doesn't detract from the speed - I just allow the sentences to spill out and mould one another. I generally write pretty quickly - I did 12 pages for my first English SAC - but I don't feel as though the free-form approach I take to creative pieces diminishes the quality - it's still easy to maintain structure.
My teachers say if you write something too long they'll deduct marks .. :|
Not in English, no. I know 50-scoring people who got 1500+ words for all three essays in the exam...
Oh alright, the English teachers at my school must be lazy b@stards then T__T It's always so much easier to write more than less.
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my english teacher said "Im not giving you a lot of holiday homework because quite frankly, I don't want to mark it all."
by the way, does anyone here have like....a need for their paper to be a certain way? Like it feels funny to them sometimes and then other paper is perfectly good? Or am I just a weirdo lol
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^i hate that crappy paper that my mum buys for like $5 a ream. it's not even fully white, you put it next to real office paper and it looks murky and shit. and it prints like crap as well.
so I also am very selective about my paper :P
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Topic.
I don't know why, but right now I have a serious problem with writing speed. 110 minutes to write 1000 words of language analysis >.<.
yeh you write faster by practising to write faster
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how much did you write in your english exam TT?
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dono
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^i hate that crappy paper that my mum buys for like $5 a ream. it's not even fully white, you put it next to real office paper and it looks murky and shit. and it prints like crap as well.
so I also am very selective about my paper :P
LOL i was talking more about lined paper, some of that cheap crap form officeworks is all like powdery and gross when you're trying to think intelligently and have grotty paper in front of you. im never skimping on my stationary again!