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Uni Stuff => Faculties => Health sciences => Topic started by: Studyinghard on March 24, 2010, 05:48:36 pm
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Simple question: Do you need UMAT to get into Biomedicine.
I have heard that my career's counsel said you need UMAT.
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You don't.
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That's right, not for biomed, I think it's only for medicine, dentistry etc.
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Cool. I was pretty sure because none of the courses say that you need UMAT so clearly my careers counsel person needs to get some skills.
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Cool. I was pretty sure because none of the courses say that you need UMAT so clearly my careers counsel person needs to get some skills.
LOL don't trust career counsellors, they have AN AGENDA :P (not in all cases...)
Just look these things up on the internet or ask past students :)
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Depends where you do it.
You could always do year 1 biomed pretty much anywhere and just transfer over. ( i know, i know, why would you want to)
Eg:
La Trobe - Enter: ~80
Monash -
Enter: 92.70
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Yeah, i know, just saying..
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You need 98 for Biomedicine though... sure turned me off it :/..
What makes you think that you can't get 98? ;)
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You need 98 for Biomedicine though... sure turned me off it :/..
What makes you think that you can't get 98? ;)
Err.. I just can't haha.. my school?
School and cohort strength is irrelevant really. Mao's living proof.
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Doesn't biomedicine need an ENTER of 95 not 98..?
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Doesn't biomedicine need an ENTER of 95 not 98..?
it jumped up somewhat last year
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Oh my :( Pretty huge jump I must say...
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Who knows it could jump down again... theres still hope :D
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Who knows it could jump down again... theres still hope :D
i really doubt i will, so so unlikelyy, nevermind science is good too! i actually would even consider doing science over biomed! just depends...
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Why would you consider science over biomed? (Just wondering)
(And there still is a possibility for it to go down)
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i agree with vexx...
really unlikely ...
and yeah .. biomed leads to med ..
but maybe vexx like science more than biomed ...
is not about going for the most prestigious course ....more about going for yout interest ..
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isn't biomed learning the intricacies of photosynthesis?
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Most of the majors are based on human related things... thats why its bio*med* instead of straight biology which would go more into photosynth i reckon
http://www.unimelb.edu.au/HB/facs/SCI-S13227.html#S14654
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oh, okay then. out of interest, just me trying to rort the system but yeah, if i don't get into mbbs @ monash, can i do a really short undergraduate degree, sit the gamsat (and hopefully do better than the umat haha), and then do md @ melb?
and by short undergrad degree i mean like 2 years, if one even exists in some kind of field lol...
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You'd need to satisfy the prerequisite subjects. Anatomy, physiology and i forget (biochemistry i think). Which would be hard in some courses, its even hard in some of the health sciences. A pharmacy student on here wanted to get into graduate med but couldn't because they couldn't possibly take the prerequisite subjects.
Also needs to be a 3 year degree:
Applicants will need an approved three or more year bachelor degree; prerequisite second year subjects (one each) of anatomy, physiology & biochemistry; the Graduate Australian Medical School Admissions Test (GAMSAT) and a multi mini interview (MMI).
so you're outta luck mate
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thanks kp. i knew it would be too good to be true haha. stupid melbourne with their shitty minimum of 7 years of uni. why they got rid of undergrad med, pisses me off so much. not only is there less undergrad spots know, but it's getting more and more competitive aswell.
knowing my luck, the % cut off for umat this year will probably go up heaps to like 95% or something...
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Yeah, its alright mate, i was thinking of the biomedicine route as backup.
It aint the pretty option though... i am interested in biology yeah... but i dont know if i could stick it out for 3 years and there's not even a guarantee of getting into med.
If you bugger up your gamsat you can just take a year off and do it again but if you bugger your GPA theres no way you're getting into graduate med.
Those 3 years are wasted and you now have a degree you dont want...
Pretty risky gamble but if you think you can do it and really want to get into med, you'll get there eventually.
Another option is taking a year off and trying to absolutely ace the umat..
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yeah, that's what i'm going to do if i don't get in. would probably need to repeat english again too, because i can already see it is going to screw up my vce.
now sure what i'd do if i got an offer interstate though. but yeah, 3 year biomed is a big gamble, and gamsat makes the umat look amateurish apparently. monash is definitely the way to go.
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Those 3 years are wasted and you now have a degree you dont want...
well what would you do if you didnt get med at all
wat career 2nd choice?
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With a biomedical science degree you could probably be a lab minion somewhere doing minor laboratory work.
Also due to the Melbourne model you could actually attempt to get into other graduate health science courses like dentistry or physio.
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You could take it futher get a masters or phd do your own research or teach in a university
OR
Work at maccas... knowing how protein denatures really helps you cook a great burger
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nah im talkn about you
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Oh me... my back up is in my signature man...prostitution... you got any suggestions for sexy stripper names?
(Seriously though if i dont get into medicine off the bat and *i did* take the huge risk to go into biomed.... if i dont get into grad medicine after doing biomed...id try repeat the gamsat if my GPA Was good or id try get into dentistry or physio... if that fails i guess work in a lab or *sigh* become a highschool teacher or some crappy gig like that)
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Oh me... my back up is in my signature man...prostitution... you got any suggestions for sexy stripper names?
The Roaring Tiger
The Energetic Monkey
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haha the energetic monkey
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kingpomba- on second thoughts i'd probably prefer biomed because i find it more interesting, but last year i was considering just applying for science as i wanted to do psychology as well, because you can't really do that as your science subjects in biomed. so science is better if you want to choose all your subjects.
and stonecold- yes it's a three year degree and you'd have to do a science or biomed undergrad to be able to get the right prereqs for the MD, it will be extremely competitive as it melb has always been known for their prestigious as med degrees, it'll be a fucking killer to get into- there's always interstate though:)
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I changed my message over there in honour of this
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haha yep vexx, interstate is looking better by the day.
do you know how hard it is to get into uniqld's bachelor of science with provisional entry into mbbs?
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haha yep vexx, interstate is looking better by the day.
do you know how hard it is to get into uniqld's bachelor of science with provisional entry into mbbs?
there's not really provisional entry? but do you mean guaranteed place?
they are getting rid of 'full-fee' needing 99+ and i spoke to them over the phone and they said even if you get 99+ and satisfy the requirements you won't be guaranteed anyway. so their website is deceptive.
for a 'real' guaranteed place, you need 99.90+ and maintain a solid 75% GPA and do a satisfactory interview.
that what you mean?
if you get 99.90+ you have a solid chance of getting in to melbs graduate:)
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I know interstate is an option but i've pretty much discounted it.
Wouldn't it be really hard to support yourself? You'd have to work quite a bit to pay for accommodation, food and just general other expenses (going out,ect).
You'd have to work quiet a bit and the medical degree is pretty full on contact hour wise as it is.
Just interested to hear what you guys think...
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the way i look at it, it's gonna take ages for me to get where i want to be, without the hiccups. i really can't afford to be throwing away years on top of it. yeah sure it's gonna cost money to live interstate, but if i can get my degree quicker, i'll be able to pay it back quicker anyway.
theres also the distinct possibility of not getting an internships as soon as you leave uni, which is more time gone.
also, i forgot where i read this, but it was somewhere on here. uni only takes up like 30 or 32 weeks of the year, so you can still come back to melb for a fair part of the year....
@ vexx - yeah, i think that was it. those lying bastards. i swear i read somewhere that you got a place in medicine if you agreed to do the science degree first!
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kingpomba- on second thoughts i'd probably prefer biomed because i find it more interesting, but last year i was considering just applying for science as i wanted to do psychology as well, because you can't really do that as your science subjects in biomed. so science is better if you want to choose all your subjects.
and stonecold- yes it's a three year degree and you'd have to do a science or biomed undergrad to be able to get the right prereqs for the MD, it will be extremely competitive as it melb has always been known for their prestigious as med degrees, it'll be a fucking killer to get into- there's always interstate though:)
vexx you want to get into medicine?
..if you don't get straight into medicine,then biomed is probably better pathway to get into it
although theres a guy i know whose doing science and did the gamsat and is hoping to transfer into medicine but this is after his 3rd yr..
but if you want to do just biomed... then doing science or biomed really doesn't matter... depending on what major you want to do since you can choose whateva you want to do in third yr biomed... and some of those you can do in science as well
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kingpomba- getting a CSP spot at any med school interstate, even getting a loan to help pay for accommodation (i'd go to college and be fed and all that then live back in melbourne during breaks) it's actually not that much if you think about the easiness of eventually being able to pay it back. it's definitely an option, but really, depends on how much you want it, having parents you are willingly wanting to support you is also a good thing to have, but it's definitely possible to do so without their aid. (could even get youth allowance, etc.)
stonecold- in a few years there is going to be an official guarantee on all CSP med school places getting an internship, this was released last month this information it could happen next year or the year after but unlikely. but the time we are out of med school there is a very very high chance this will be in place, i could almost be certain. so don't worry about that, we are definitely going to get an internship as lots more money is going into the hospitals to increase internship places and then in a few years after the same is happening with specialities:)
anddd depends on the uni, some med schools go from jan right to nov/dec (these are mainly the graduate ones) so the others are normally feb-nov, maybe even less for the first few years.
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kingpomba- on second thoughts i'd probably prefer biomed because i find it more interesting, but last year i was considering just applying for science as i wanted to do psychology as well, because you can't really do that as your science subjects in biomed. so science is better if you want to choose all your subjects.
and stonecold- yes it's a three year degree and you'd have to do a science or biomed undergrad to be able to get the right prereqs for the MD, it will be extremely competitive as it melb has always been known for their prestigious as med degrees, it'll be a fucking killer to get into- there's always interstate though:)
vexx you want to get into medicine?
..if you don't get straight into medicine,then biomed is probably better pathway to get into it
although theres a guy i know whose doing science and did the gamsat and is hoping to transfer into medicine but this is after his 3rd yr..
but if you want to do just biomed... then doing science or biomed really doesn't matter... depending on what major you want to do since you can choose whateva you want to do in third yr biomed... and some of those you can do in science as well
yeah this is exactly right, doing biomed/science is exactly the same in the long-run, just depends on your tastes. i personally don't want to go through this pathway unless i have to or are afraid to move interstate since i really want to just do straight undergrad med :)
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yeah saves the hassle of it all
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yeah saves the hassle of it all
yep!
although going to melbourne and doing biomed/science is one dream of mine, medicine is a bigger dream and my reasoning to attempt to refuse that path is that those three undergraduate years are going to be extremely stressful to ensure i have top marks in everything- may be hard! and the GAMSAT - oh the dreadful sounding gamsat... worse then the umat imo.
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So your parents would pay for your stuff? yeah i dont know if my parents would be willing to do that
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So your parents would pay for your stuff? yeah i dont know if my parents would be willing to do that
ah okay well that's your parent's decision, remember that you can always finically support yourself without them, it's fairly easy to get youth allowance for your studying interstate if you they are knowledgeable about the lack of parental support.
my parents will support be purely because they know how much i want this and will help me if i want to study interstate:) it's definitely a help, but it's not a necessity, remember that you don't have to be limited by this.
if my parents didn't want to support me? would i care? no because i could find away around it!
it all depends on your willingness and motivation!